Interns Debate: Libertarianism vs. Conservatism (Cato vs. Heritage)

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Featuring Cato Institute Interns and Heritage Foundation Interns; with an introduction by Neil Saul, Student Programs Coordinator, Cato Institute; moderated by Charles C. W. Cooke, Editor, National Review Online.
Libertarians and conservatives alike claim to be advocates of individual liberty, limited government, and free markets. In some policy spheres, these shared values lead libertarians and conservatives to similar conclusions about public policy. As a result, popular political discourse often conflates libertarianism with conservatism, and proponents of “fusionism” go so far as to regard a libertarian-conservative alliance as being both natural and politically useful.
However, the differences between the two political philosophies are at least as significant as the similarities. On matters such as national security and foreign policy, immigration, criminal justice, drugs, surveillance, marriage and the family, and the role of religion in public policy, libertarians and conservatives often clash with one another.
Despite whatever similarities they may have, libertarianism and conservatism are substantially different political philosophies. So which one provides better answers to today’s most important political questions?
We invite you to a debate about the two political philosophies and their associated policy implications. Interns from the Cato Institute and the Heritage Foundation will go head-to-head to answer the question: Is libertarianism or conservatism the superior political philosophy?
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@zachjones6944 3 года назад

I live in a Libertarian commune in Hawaii. We do what we want as long as it doesn’t harm other people. The price of freedom is responsibility.

@jamescurth701 3 года назад

@@Bada_Boom78 What happens to those who are irresponsible in a conservative society

@yermec5761 2 года назад

"The price of freedom is responsibility" but does someone who consumed drugs responsible? If yes how so? If not then he can't have freedom

@isabelrayas3286 2 года назад

@@yermec5761 if you use drugs voluntarily and then something happens to you (heart attack) or you hurt someone (you cause a car accident), you have to bear the consequences yourself (go to prison, pay privately for your medical treatment, donate money to affected people)

@legaciestr 2 года назад

Libertarian communism?

@R3tr0v1ru5 2 года назад

@@legaciestr No such thing.

@Clean121 Год назад

Why can’t our political leaders be half as well spoken and truthful as these guys 😩

@riveraharper8166 11 месяцев назад

money...

@robertwilsoniii2048 9 месяцев назад

They're too boring to get votes in an election.

@Mzee1084 9 месяцев назад

Because Republicans decided to tap into grievance politics instead where nastiness is a virtue. Thank the right wing populist media that really began to take off with the talk radio boom with figures like Rush Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter. Then Nute Gingritch brought that behavior to Congress, and the Tea Party made it worse, and we ended up with Trumpism. The market is with the grassroots base who just want the nastiness. Republican Strategists in the 1970s with groups like NCPAC saw what George Wallace did in the 1968 election and wanted to build off that behavior, and it worked, and an entire ecosystem developed around the grievance. More and more conservative intellectuals have been leaving the party and conservative movement due to Trumpism. David Frum, Charlie Sykes, Max Boot, Stuart Stephens, David Brooks and many others have all left now. There is just no desire for respectable or the compassionate conservatism of figures like the Bush's, Romney, John McCain (his daughter Meagan is more grievance alligned), and Reagan anymore so the whole movement aligned with the nasty extremism.

@juanaraiza6632 4 года назад

"Will legalization of drugs fix the problem" after given data on how legalization did fix drug problems

@SeanWinters 4 года назад

Rebuttal: legal drugs have destroyed countless lives, especially amongst the white working class in rural and semi-urban areas across the country. Part of the "good" done with legalization is "druggies don't go to jail" which doesn't exactly sound like an upside for the most part.

@sunnyvegas2778 4 года назад

If drug legalization is the way, then all drugs must be legalized not just recreational drugs, how is heroin any different from a prescription drug, if you don't think drugs should be regulated then you must believe in the elimination of pharmacies and no need to go to a Dr to get a drug prescription becuz all drugs are now legalized.......

@emc448 4 года назад

@@SeanWinters We don't implement laws based on utilitarianism, but on protection of rights. If no rights are infringed, it shouldn't be a problem.

@Phantom8589 4 года назад

@@emc448 Partly true... Laws are somewhat based on does it do good or does it do harm. Banning heroin or Meth for example is not based on what rights you or I have. It's based on does it harm society at large. Laws are designed to protect the many and are based on morals. Theft, Murder, Lying are all illegal in one way or another but are in the interest of the "common good". My rights begin where yours end is very much valid. When the drugs infringe on others rights to live or health are involved we limit the few for the sake of the many. A guy does heroin and gets high, crashes into another car killing a mom and her kids while they were going to school (example). Some Drugs alter your mental abilities and are not safe for everyone else who is around you. This is where many freedoms Trump(pun intended) the individual's freedoms... They have a right to life, peace and not to be harmed by someone else choices.

@Ssyphoned 4 года назад

sunny vegas Not exactly. If you have the knowledge or connections to get a prescription then yes, you could go get a drug o your own. Pharmacies are designed to respond to doctor recommendations for specific issues, and offer, procure or facilitate the consumption of those drugs. That would still be necessary if legal. I wouldn’t know what to take for hypertension without someone saying “based on your blah blah blah you need x”

@jacobsmitzenwaffenburgerst6626 3 года назад

Imagine believing that the government has the right to regulate what substances adults put into their own bodies

@iinarrab19 3 года назад

tbf, the government actually prohibits minors from smoking -- which basically puts nicotine, a substance, in your body

@trafledrakel7118 3 года назад

Libertarians say drug users don’t harm anyone but themselves, so it should be legal, but they do harm the surrounding people, and harm their children more than anyone. It should be illegal for people who have sons and daughters still dependent on them, either living with them or still financially dependent.

@nathanaellamb6309 3 года назад

@@trafledrakel7118 Ya I totally agree. If you choose to have kids, you can no longer drink a beer. Right on brother!

@bubblegumgun3292 3 года назад

Imagine that liberty only extends to degenerate behavior but doesn't extend to people owning nukes and liberty to absolute individual defense

@Apistevist 3 года назад

The religious conservatives are of the slave morality, just as leftists are. Libertarians are overwhelmingly master morality.

@joshwilliams1650 4 года назад

A lot of conservatives get upset when they find out I smoke weed. If your for freedom than what's the problem with people smoking weed. I find myself inbetween conservative and libertarian.

@yvunglouis1839 3 года назад

then you are a libertarian conservative my friend, as am i

@AlexKomnenos 3 года назад

As a conservative I would say your mind is put to better use than to be polluted with THC. It’s not so much a faux pas as it is you were made for something better

@kirkcannon8079 3 года назад

I dont smoke personally, but the idea that marijuana is illegal is ridiculous

@keithzelinske2253 3 года назад

@@AlexKomnenos do you drink alcohol?

@michaellindsey9238 3 года назад

It's for the good of society has been the lie told to the populace just before every single piece of tyrannical legislation is passed.

@iamchillydogg 5 лет назад

The solution is simple, prohibit the government from initiating force.

@neilstone3730 5 лет назад

iamchillydogg have I found someone who believes in the non aggression principle?

@harunrazak7764 5 лет назад

@@neilstone3730 Another one here .

@magnus4g63 4 года назад

bye bye govern-ment then, and good riddance 👍

@Ssyphoned 4 года назад

How would you arrest someone based on past crimes that they got away with/escaped from/ under suspicious of, then? The main purpose of government is to monopolize the use of force to prevent interferences in the market and enable individual freedom from tyranny. This is why the government needs to be powerful but also not use the power. A difficult if not impossible balancing act. If someone is being arrested, you’d argue they initiated force (at some other point in time), but the reality isn’t clear to those around them, the overall public or the government itself during the actual engagement. The government needs to be able to initiate reasonable ‘force’ in situations that citizens cannot. This is obvious unless you believe there should be no government at all. ie, Anarchy. This is untenable, as a group of people with enough significant force will rise and be the de facto government.

@nd-mr7om 4 года назад

@@Ssyphoned the main purpose of government is to guarantee an individual's rights.

@Santiagola24 4 года назад

Libertarians on da house 🗽

@Santiagola24 4 года назад

Lots of fear on conservatives side and arguments on libertarians side

@jackdune9270 3 года назад

Milei presidente!

@biteme9869 3 года назад

Definitely gonna watch the video to know what they think and say before I jump to any conclusions or any sides.

@biteme9869 3 года назад

@@Santiagola24 also fascists and conservatives are way two different things lmao. In fact conservatives are closer to the middle than to fascism.

@scorpioal13 5 лет назад

I find myself in agreement with the conservative side on some issues and the libertarian side on some issues. This was a useful debate to spark conversation and self reflection.

@RavenVonK 4 года назад

This is what they call Centrism, or Centre Right!

@donovanrussell2497 3 года назад

Same

@jndvs95 3 года назад

Where my people at? I've always been pretty center but man today that makes me feel alt right sometimes

@lordvirginpecker1235 3 года назад

@@RavenVonK Centrism is too authoritarian for libertarians and not authoritarian enough for conservatives, so it is true centeralism can lead to a look at the bigger picture.

@whodat417 3 года назад

@@RavenVonK on the internet they call it ult right. I'm sure they would call the libertarians debating far right

@mikehoot3978 4 года назад

Hayek conservative? Hahahahaha He has a post-scriptum called "Why I'm not a conservative"

@farmyardfab 3 года назад

Arguably he would be considered a conservative in comparison with Mises.

@mikehoot3978 3 года назад

@@farmyardfab But it is not. The conservative does not defend the spontaneous order but the established order. He trusts in authority and distrusts changes or evolution without shepherds. A classical liberal thinks exactly the opposite.

@mikehoot3978 3 года назад

@@farmyardfab "The conservative, in general, does not oppose coercion or state arbitrariness when the rulers pursue those objectives that he considers right. The action of those in power, if they are honest and upright people, should not be constrained, he thinks, by rigid and fixed rules. The conservative, essentially opportunistic and lacking in general principles, limits himself, in the end, to recommending that the leadership of the country be entrusted to a wise and good ruler, whose rule does not derive from his exceptional qualities - which we would all wish to adorn his superiority - but from the authoritarian powers he exercises. The conservative, like the socialist, is concerned with who governs, ignoring the problem of limiting the powers attributed to the ruler; and, like the Marxist, he considers it natural to impose his personal assessments on others." Extraction of "Why I am not a Conservative", Friedrich A. Hayek, 1959.

@farmyardfab 3 года назад

@@mikehoot3978 I suppose you’re correct. What would you argue is the big intellectual difference between Mises and Hayek. Could it be described as anarcho capitalism vs classical liberalism? I believe that Mises described himself as a liberal as well.

@mikehoot3978 3 года назад

@@farmyardfab Rothbardians/extreme praxeologists see them as different. Hayek argues that he needed auxiliary hypotheses to understand the human being outside of economics, that praxeology was not enough(above all to understand the institutional order). And another difference is that Mises was a minarchist and Hayek would tolerate more intervention if it is to maintain the liberal system. Those would be the main differences, in the rest they are quite similar.

@christianfreedom-seeker934 4 года назад

The Libertarian was much more professional. The Conservative often spoke without facts and philosophical support.

@kevinsimmons8448 4 года назад

No not really they are only speaking facts from the US

@jadonmarkes1 4 года назад

Kevin Simmons it’s a debate based in the US, why would you expect anything different? If this were a broad scale debate on how the the entire world would be if we were conservative vs. libertarian it would be a completely different conversation, i.e the reason why they brought up the U.S. military at all. Because there isn’t another military on the planet even close to what the US has, this debate isn’t even really applicable to any other country other than the US. Although I would like to hear some conservative, libertarian, and some liberal views of other countries as well just to paint a better picture in the future.

@sonikdarko1102 3 года назад

@@adg932 conservatives use facts from the government and historical data on failed policies. Liberals use emotion appeal and moral values instead of the ethical and logical approach. Welfare is the greatest example

@charliem6467 3 года назад

@@adg932 Education how?

@charliem6467 3 года назад

@@adg932 liberals appeal to emotion for more than conservatives. Passion is not the same as emotion. Also if a side uses no emotion then it will likely lose. That’s why the left gets more supporters. Facts aren’t enough anymore. But this whole both sides are equal thing is just ridiculous to me.

@EMO_alpha 5 лет назад

I would love to side with conservatives on the drug issue honestly, but my heroin addicted friends who overdosed and my meth addicted accuaintences didnt care those substances were illegal and niether did the black market. And niether do my friends that have great work ethics and like to do a little coke on the weekend or smoke weed before bed. I think it might be time to try something else.

@artemiasalina1860 5 лет назад

Markets always win out over artificial impediments imposed by government. Markets are an unstoppable force. If there is a market for something the government will be powerless to stop it (which is not to say that it won't cause lots of pointless harm trying to).

@kodingkrusader2765 5 лет назад

Anyone doing heroin (besides the poor souls doctors screwed over) knew better and chose to anyway. Same with meth crack whatever. Thats their own fault. They shouldn't be put in jail for it. They shouldnt get government assistance. Its all about free cjoice to be as stupod as you want

@EMO_alpha 5 лет назад

Its not just about markets, there are markets for things that should be illegal. Its about not unjustly punishing someone for an act without criminal externalities and wasting the publics arguably stolen money on efforts that dont yield positive outcomes.

@artemiasalina1860 5 лет назад

@@EMO_alpha What things in your opinion should be illegal to possess and why? What is your stance on the right to property?

@EMO_alpha 5 лет назад

@@artemiasalina1860 well.. there is a market for kiddie porn, there is a market for anthrax, there are things that can be commoditized that should be illegal.

@danstewart2770 5 лет назад

Four years in prison has an equal but opposite influence on a person's character as does four years at Harvard.

@Phantom8589 4 года назад

One could argue they both turn out the same type of people....

@Zeus-ge7gd 4 года назад

Four years at either does not teach drive.

@AlexKomnenos 3 года назад

I’ve met Ivy League students who really had no critical thinking or common sense skills at all.

@mediatool9596 3 года назад

4 years at Harvard makes one a self-absorbed, arrogant, narcissistic douchebag. 4 yrs in prison makes one a self-dependent, strong, intensely paranoid introvert. IDK which is better

@Justin-ho8py 3 года назад

The “conservatives” made me move from sort-of libertarian/conservative to full blown Anarchocapalist...

@juanfelipe8484 3 года назад

😂😂😂😂 same

@sergioforero9764 3 года назад

bienvenido.

@zanehakim7684 3 года назад

Yes. Welcome to AnCap.

@saitamad.anarchist9527 3 года назад

Welcome to Ancapistan

@rosealexander9007 2 года назад

I grew up with conservatives🙄🙄 that’s the reason I’m libertarian. I can’t stand their righteous attitudes. According to them if “ you’re not Christian and don’t think the same way they do then you’re wrong “ that’s actually not Christian at all!

@timothyobis87 4 года назад

That tasers joke did not land well 😂

@vincentfizz1880 4 года назад

I know. was a shocker

@honestmyths5839 3 года назад

@@vincentfizz1880 ahhh! I like you! That was a good one!

@ianlindsay2864 3 года назад

Conservatives: Drugs are bad Libertarians: Evidence shows drug legalization results in less drug use Conservatives: Yea but drugs are bad

@notquiteatory971 2 года назад

Drugs are bad mkay

@nickmoser7785 2 года назад

Tell that the Portugal. They legalize drugs and the OD rate went up. Heck even look at American cities such as Seattle and San Francisco

@christophergraves6725 2 года назад

It all depends. In Portugal, the libertarian view finds evidence for legalization, but that is unlikely to hold in America. The welfare state works better in Europe, too, but that does not mean that a more extensive welfare state would work here. People in different cultures and political regimes act differently. People are not like atoms in a void.

@nickmoser7785 2 года назад

@@christophergraves6725 I recall it failing in Portugal. And I agree if it was implemented in the US, there would be catastrophic consequences

@javiermendoza5173 2 года назад

If you do drugs, then you should rely completely on your private healthcare and do not rely on the public healthcare. As long as it is, I'm all for it.

@danstewart2770 5 лет назад

The US is about 4% of the world population, but we hold almost 25% of the world's prison population.

@konroh2 5 лет назад

What do you think the point of this is? Are we less criminal than other countries?

@danstewart2770 5 лет назад

@@konroh2 To be honest, I don't really know. I guess it means either Americans (and some subset thereof) are congenital criminals or there's something drastically wrong with our criminal justice system. Who do you think?

@konroh2 5 лет назад

@@danstewart2770 I think it is complex. There is something in freedom where we are free to choose good or criminality. But I do think we have a system in place which regulates criminals more efficiently than other places.

@danstewart2770 5 лет назад

@@konroh2 ▪︎ konroh2 I agree... _in part._ 1. Yes, the U.S. has an efficient criminal justice system, consequently imprisoning more people. But, to be understood that efficiency should be contextualized. Generally speaking, the U.S. imprisons people at a rate of approximately 8-10 times that of other developed nations (Canada, U.K., Germany, etc.). 2. There's also the question of whether the constituent parts of the U.S. population has something characteristic about it that distinguishes it from other developed nations. Can you think of anything that might fit the bill? 3. The thing about enough freedom to enable more criminality is convoluted and circuitous, and makes no sense. You may find this _Intelligence²_ debate on whether U.S. policing is racially bias interesting It's on point and very well done. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3TInGHcG-_Q.html

@konroh2 5 лет назад

I agree that the penal system is economically driven. We are throwing money at the system, not necessarily for a solution. In order to really evaluate our rate of incarceration compared to others I'd need to see statistics on the comparison of laws. Do we criminalize more things? Or do we have a culture which breeds more criminals? I don't know. I do think that there is a complexity in freedom which means that it will achieve both great good and great evil. So I don't think I'm being convoluted. To be honest given the same level of morality in a society, I don't know if freedom will generally produce less criminals, or if some level of authoritarian morality will produce less criminals. It's the libertarian vs. conservative debate. I'll check out the vid, thanks.

@grantm6933 4 года назад

The problem with the conservative argument here is that it rests on a series of bad assumptions, misinformation, and ignorance of cause and effect. For instance, the lady on the conservative side constantly raises the need for government to intervene in the drug trade because it causes harm, blissfully unaware, it seems, that the reason the drug problem is so severe in the United States is because of government intervention in the first place. The criminalisation of drugs has devastated communities. The conserative side stated that legalisation would increase demand. This claim flies in the face of established evidence on this matter that suggests legalisation has little impact on overall levels of consumption. Legalisation of softer and safer drugs does not mean the legalisation of 'black tar heroin' - as if this is the only drug available. Most users of drugs do not get addicted to them because drugs are inherently addictive. They get addicted because of personal issues in their lives.

@Ironcabbit 4 года назад

Not to mention completely ignoring the numerous cases of addiction to legal painkillers from post-surgery recovery.

@meganevans839 2 года назад

I know this is an old comment but I have to say your comment about addiction is completely not true. People DO drugs often to escape reality and because of issues in their lives but people become ADDICTED to drugs because they are chemically addictive. That is a fact. You are confusing the two. The desire to start doing drugs could be because of their issues but that is absolutely not why they become addicted. That's obvious just in the effects of withdrawal. Physical addiction comes from rewiring in your brain, telling you that you need that drug which in turn can cause physical illness. That has zero to do unrelated issues in your life and no matter how much AA/NA wants to say otherwise, many people become dependent on drugs who have not suffered trauma and are not dealing with issues any more than your average person.

@grantm6933 2 года назад

@@meganevans839 but this over states how addictive these substances are chemically. Even for drugs like heroin, the number of people who become addicted is only around 15-20 percent (based on a study I read a few years ago). I am not denying physical addiction. What I am saying is that for many the addiction is psychological and as a result of their circumstances. Legalisation allows us to control the drug market to a greater extent then is possible now, to control potency and quality, to remove much of the criminal element, and to create a more open space for people to come forward for a health issue without becoming criminalised.

@mothermahapp5338 3 года назад

This is actually a good debate, both sides are so well spoken.

@titaniumwolf1123 3 года назад

Also... She is the ONLY Libertarian I have ever met out of thousands that supports reparations. We do not as a whole support it at ALL. That is very very very clear across all campaigns.

@Nanofuture87 3 года назад

Libertarian reparations would have to happen on an individual level and the logistics of it would be difficult to say the least. An individual would have to show that specific property held by another individual is properly theirs.

@titaniumwolf1123 3 года назад

@@Nanofuture87 not true, we support a government large enough to protect the rights of the people. That would include a court that would decide that scenario.

@Nanofuture87 3 года назад

@@titaniumwolf1123 How is that relevant to what I said? Whether the court system is public or private, it would still be individual plaintiffs (or class actions of plaintiffs) seeking to recover specific property from defendants and would need to be able to provide evidence to support their case.

@chesscomsupport8689 2 года назад

And she disavows Murray Rothbard... My god, she is horrible.

@neilstone3730 5 лет назад

Conservatives use the appeal to emotion fallacy

@albertobotello4918 4 года назад

@@adg932 hahaha and then they complain about liberals using their feelings in arguments

@AlexKomnenos 3 года назад

As a conservative I noticed this too. It didn’t help their positions

@laurenrice4153 3 года назад

I am conservative and I agree. Frankly there girl here uses her appeal to emotion too often and me, one for not falling for things like that, found it a breach in the argument considering, well it is not an argument. it is an appeal to ones emotions haha

@behrouz6625 3 года назад

That's why they actually can get the office.

@neilstone1788 3 года назад

Another thing is that they completely ignored the example of Portugal that was brought up when discussing drug legalization

@soumyaneelmanna3097 5 лет назад

Being from India, when I heard the opening conservative speech, I was like "is this woman from my country?" because everything she says sounds like some old guy from an Indian village would say.

@augustuss6735 5 лет назад

Lol that’s why libertarianism is superior

@artemiasalina1860 5 лет назад

Ha! That was very funny! Cranky old busy-bodies and control freaks!

@VVeremoose 5 лет назад

They quote a lot of Hayek in India, do they?

@abhimanyukarnawat7441 4 года назад

Yes they do quote hayek lol

@SeanWinters 4 года назад

"lol OlD iNdIaN sAy SaMe ThInG sO gIrL wRoNg!"

@diasent 5 лет назад

Libertarianism is Conservatism in the US. They are two different categories. Conservatism in Pakistan is vastly different than the US. It's important we know this.

@The80sWolf_ 4 года назад

And what is really "conservatism" in practice? The word is empty, and if you put other things in it, like how to run the economy, suddenly the Conservatist, turns into X.

@jaythrash8804 4 года назад

Conservatism in Pakistan=Nazism

@hotant522 5 лет назад

Conservatism is progressivism driving the speed limit

@artemiasalina1860 5 лет назад

-- Michael Malice

@CarrotCakeMake 5 лет назад

-- Dave Smith

@brettWwjd 5 лет назад

Placed in context they're not. 2019 Conservatives and 1960 classical liberals (i.e. progressives) both have the same values.

@kodingkrusader2765 5 лет назад

@Jacob Howell umm...george bush ? Boot licking conservatives?

@hsharma3933 5 лет назад

And modern day libertarianism is just progressives’ trump derangement syndrome driving the speed limit.

@jamesburkhart9100 3 года назад

She's really trying to blame libertarians for the opioid crisis?

@DosAleph 3 года назад

look look i i nevermind but in white redstates it would boom thas fine dont judge

@austinthesan-antonian3932 3 года назад

As a Conservative, I’d say that we should go deeper into Libertarian Theory, which is far closer to our actual Beliefs, than focusing on periodic niche Cultural Events and/or the Partisan Requirements of The G.O.P.

@bellatordei3440 2 года назад

The libertarianism is not a theory, it's a science

@danstewart2770 5 лет назад

The libertarian position on marriage is that it's not the proper role of government to decide who can and cannot be married, nor should one be required to obtain a license from the government to marry.

@trippworley4754 4 года назад

Man this was so cool. It's really interesting to see where Libertarianism and American Conservatism overlap, and where they differ. Good job interns, too!

@josephimperatrice5552 2 года назад

For a group that call themselves pro-smaller government Conservatives sure do want to make a lot of things that are legal illegal like porn between consenting adults, same sex marriage, abortion, etc and there are even some Far Right Conservatives who believe it should be illegal for women to vote but yeah muh "small government" Conservatism.

@mamabear2382 3 года назад

I think that libertarians and conservatives have a mutual respect for each other and lots of times have beliefs that overlap

@DosAleph 3 года назад

well arent u insightful and classy and cultrued do u have any trugffs????

@mamabear2382 3 года назад

@WorldFlex I’m talking about paleocons with there noninterventionist policy and lowering the debt although it’s hard for them to get shit done with the rhinos in there party

@AlexKomnenos 3 года назад

I’m a conservative but I felt that the conservatives in this panel were a little over dramatic. They of course made good points but they used more emotional defenses.

@kitn2507 3 года назад

Yes, in a political debate being emotional doesn't make your case any better

@forrestcommander6283 3 года назад

The opening arguments by the conservative girl turned me off. Her arguments seemed like they were rudimentary talking points. Morality and faith, while being admirable guiding principles for individuals, pose a dangerous threat to liberty when entered into the political fray. As a Libertarian, I believe liberty is threatened at any mention of government controlling any aspect of anyone’s life.

@user-il5hy5tr5z 3 года назад

@@forrestcommander6283 morality by nature poses a threat to liberty. You can’t just do what you want. Do you think morality is bad?

@ProDoc18 3 года назад

That’s how conservatives are lol

@rosealexander9007 2 года назад

What conservative doesn’t go by their emotions rather than facts.🙄

@pikachuprime9308 3 года назад

When the Christian kid and the rich kid start talking:

@bellatordei3440 2 года назад

I don't get it Why the Christian and rich kid are some kind of adversaries, what if the rich kid is a Christian...

@pikachuprime9308 2 года назад

Yeah it should have been the Christian kid and Kid that loves guns

@chesscomsupport8689 2 года назад

@@pikachuprime9308 The original version is better

@pikachuprime9308 2 года назад

Alright lemme change it back

@bellatordei3440 2 года назад

@@pikachuprime9308 Christians also like guns 😄

@sterling3625 2 года назад

I already kind of thought I was a libertarian in more recent years because I had watched various different outlets from republicans and democrats and had always questioned their more authority-driven values, despite having an emphasis on freedom and equality, and where that data is really coming from. Watching this was very enlightening, and I think it further strengthened my perspective.

@abramgaller2037 5 лет назад

The existential problem with contemporary conservatism is that government agencies especially on the federal level has an extreme bias toward expansion both in jurisdiction and employment,in fact all federal departments are CETA programs.

@christianfreedom-seeker934 4 года назад

You could TELL the Conservative is a closet progressive just by listening to her skewed arguments.

@joshwilliams1650 4 года назад

Your right.

@parallelparkdaudette2863 3 года назад

Conservatives: Let's ban drugs Libertarians:. It'll only make things worse Conservatives:. Don't ban guns! Libertarians:. Make up your minds!!!!!!!

@frmyt1135 3 года назад

They have such a "freedom for me but not for thee" view on moral based laws

@xtzyshuadog 5 лет назад

9:11 Starts: Note: *(These pre-prepared speeches don't allow for a great debate, and are just two sides delivering speeches full of circular "these are my talking points and that's why I'm right", buzz words, and citations of famous dead people's thoughts to lead the audience to a very different conclusion)* Of course debate arguments are meant to be able to be silly such that they can be argued against, but right away the opening "conservative" speech used absolutes and was pre-prepared with "family, honor, freedom, tradition, preserve our rights for The Founders"... and it led to pretty crazy arguments within 3 minutes. The 'libertarian' argument claims that GOVERNMENT needs to do X, Y, and Z in accordance with what they want.

@reelguyoutdoors5536 3 года назад

Although I see myself as mostly libertarian, I disagree with the national libertarian party of open borders. A county without borders is not a country

@Theta-i1n 2 года назад

Allowing illicit fentanyl to cross the border resulting in mega deaths is definitely not helpful.

@happygilmore1844 4 года назад

This was probably one of the BEST debates i have seen in a VERY long time...if ever! Not even the presidential debates are this amazing because most politicians are liars...awesome stuff

@happygilmore1844 2 года назад

@Vebunkd hahaha ok

@LyricalInjectionRec 2 года назад

How well did that Russia/Ukraine statement age though?

@frenchstudentA 5 лет назад

Great to see Charles CW Cooke engage with libertarianism, he's such an eloquent speaker. I'd love to see him debate one of the editors from Reason Magazine.

@calebgoforth9203 3 года назад

I wish they accepted the debate with Dave Smith

@keithzelinske2253 3 года назад

This debate made me more of a libertarian and reminded me of why conservatism is anti freedom at the core. Lots of virtue signaling by the conservatives here. I'm honestly surprised how conservatives have increasingly adopted leftist tactics/philosophies like mentioned, postmodernism, self righteousness b.s, and adhomynm attacks full of platitudes.

@painexotic3757 3 года назад

libertarian is a type of conservative. wish they'd change the title to libertarian vs republican. Republicans are statists.

@1J2C4U 3 года назад

@@painexotic3757 facts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@acctsys 2 года назад

Two sides of the same coin of authoritarian.

@AnonymousCommentor_ Год назад

Both sides of the aisle have different views of freedom. Both sides have valid arguments. The only problem for me is that libertarianism is the watered-down ideology of liberalism.

@baph0met Год назад

@@AnonymousCommentor_Otherway around, liberalism is watered down libertarianism and most so called "liberals" aren't supporters of freedom at all.

@jmh7977 2 года назад

When I was young, I thought I was a conservative, but then I was told I wasn't a "real" or "true" conservative because I believed certain contrary beliefs. Then I learned about libertarianism and agreed with many points, to the point that I began calling myself one. Before I even knew it though, I was being told I wasn't a "real" or "true" libertarian either. I was also told I wasn't a "real" or "true" anarchocapitalist. In every of these circumstances, I wasn't good enough, not pure enough, for the label. You make a comment on a RU-vid video or some website, you run the serious risk of a dogmatist pointing the self-righteous finger, accusing you of not being extreme enough and one of unclean cloth. So many comments I've read of "you're not a REAL libertarian" (not necessarily to me directly). It just goes to show, among other things, that no matter what someone's political affiliation is, a lot of people will consciously choose to be a dickhead to another. Every group has that element for sure (humans all), but I've not seen as much vitriol except from the fringe of the self-identified libertarian, who, it seems, is eager to crucify the unwilling.

@acctsys 2 года назад

I prefer to stay close to where Friedman, Sowell, and Hayek were/are. Don't mind the ancaps. They'll outgrow it.

@MaxAbramson3 10 месяцев назад

Try constitutional conservatism. It's the most prolibrity version of conservatism.

@UCMeWalkin 3 года назад

The conservative debaters really kept me sold on libertarianism!

@spiritsama51 2 года назад

okay...

@riveraharper8166 11 месяцев назад

The Libertarian debaters make me look up what is the difference between them and anarchists...

@lockhamj Год назад

Fear is conservatism most used tactic. Scare the shit out of them is their policy

@augustine1977 5 лет назад

Moderator should have asked if we should be able to sell our children

@Someone-cr8cj 5 лет назад

It's called an orphanage - but I heard that they don't offer great prices

@neilstone3730 5 лет назад

If a ancap society that would violate the nap or the non aggression principle as it’s more commonly known as. Most ancaps derive their policies from first principles and the nap so if it doesn’t violate the nap it shouldn’t be illegal, and for those wondering the nap does allow for self defense it is not pure passive fist ideology

@augustine1977 5 лет назад

@@neilstone3730 except that minors are property and as so fall purely under my rights to property.

@neilstone3730 5 лет назад

Augustine children aren’t property

@augustine1977 5 лет назад

@@neilstone3730 they are

@CarrotCakeMake 5 лет назад

In the opening analogy, just to be clear, you are the flower, not the gardener. Do you want to be in a society run by people who think of themselves as gardeners and you as a flower who will die without their attention?

@Zeus-ge7gd 4 года назад

Or you could be the flower that dies slowly from pest, disease, droughts or plagues without a gardener to tend to issues beyond your limitations.

@sandybayes 2 года назад

Sadly, the Conservative representative are embroiled in misinformation. I wish they were more diligent about doing their research. For example, they need to research other democracies to see how they have resolved their drug problems. They would quickly learn that their approach is considerably more humane and view addiction as the medical issue it is versus the legalistic issue attached to it by conservatives. The conservative representatives clearly tell us why it is a dogmatic, and inhumane authoritarian concept.

@the_future_is_anarchy1791 3 года назад

I love how she says drugs ruins family's and references families that had there lives ruined even though they were illegal its as though the fact that there illegal doesn't stop them or even forcing there children to not snitch on them to the police or teachers so they dont end up in jail and they can neglect there addiction and refuse to seek help due to the possibility of them being jailed for seeking help

@therealjohnsquad 3 года назад

Opened my eyes to some things. Thank you.

@luckyhands64 2 года назад

The conservatives were spot on about Russia

@ayandasamantha8298 2 года назад

Also listened to this more recently and those were my thoughts exactly!

@EDTHEWATERGUY 5 лет назад

Libertarians win.

@augustine1977 5 лет назад

What debate were you watching lol

@stevennielsen6962 6 месяцев назад

"Is it authoritarian to secure our border?" is the kind of argument Kim Jong Un would give about keeping the DMZ and Stalin would give about the Berlin Wall

@ELCLAVE300 3 года назад

We need Libertarianism now more than ever. Our government has become too powerful.

@DosAleph 3 года назад

el pop eye de la onda cruz crew clicka VL for life....GOPrifa

@OG-dungeon-skeleton 3 года назад

I live in my libertarian city, you live in your conservative city and we see who prospers more... I know crazy idea.

@juanfelipe8484 3 года назад

Lol true, many have forgotten federalism

@user-il5hy5tr5z 3 года назад

Lmfao one will have order and the other will be filled with homosexuals and pot heads.

@TheKumarImpressions 2 года назад

Absolutely conservatism

@kk8490 5 лет назад

The conservative guy had the best performance Edit: could this happen between paleo conservatives vs neocons or libertarians (Edit: for clarity)

@kyletexas1783 4 года назад

Neoconservatives are not libertarians

@kyletexas1783 4 года назад

@Carter Mushrooms please help me, I can't.

@kk8490 4 года назад

@Kyle Texas i know, I meant could there be a debate between Paleocons and neocons OR between Paleocons and libertarians. Not trying to imply they’re the same, i think I’ll edit it to make it more clear :)

@kk8490 4 года назад

@Gotham Bat thanks!

@nickblack7910 4 года назад

Libertarians win

@EDVM13 3 года назад

I would love to see one between Libertarians and Progressives/democratic party voters as well. I hate to see Libertarianism so regularly conflated as right-wing, when Libertarians in fact go several steps further than Progressives do in the advocacy of individual freedoms such as drug use, euthanasia, prostitution, etc. Libertarianism ought to stop being perceived as some inane form of extremism but rather as the true rational center of the political spectrum, the one that defends both economic and individual freedom and opposes authoritarianism on both fronts. Whereas Conservatives and Progressives like to pick and choose their liberties (i.e: supporting abortion but shunning tax reduction or viceversa), Libertarians offer a unified theory of freedom, one where the right to start a business without being taxed out of existence and the right to explore the innermost recesses of your mind with whatever psychoactive substance you may choose are both equally respected.

@R3tr0v1ru5 2 года назад

"Progressives" are basically just Socialists.

@dburgessnotburger 2 года назад

Hmm, cool debate. But would have loved it if the first woman defined what type of libertarian she was referring to when she highlighted abortion. I am in the most extreme side of libertarian spectrums, anarchocapitalism. I detest abortion or any acts of aggression in accordance with NAP. But more importantly, the fault of conservatism is that it believes a state ensures an orderly, and moral society. But this is back to front. People act, not based on laws, but upon the ideas they hold, by their conscience and internal ideals- not by externally legislated laws. More simply put, a man doesn't remain loyal to his wife because a law says it is wrong to cheat; he remains loyal because he loves his wife. And he has seen his destructive a cheating lifestyle entails. Government is not the reason you don't murder, it's because you know its wrong to impose on another person, and because people tend to act in accordance with the world they want to bring about.

@BNK2442 5 лет назад

That girl talking about pot causing damage in the brain. So does boxing and football. Why She thinks these things should be legal.

@r-e1862 3 года назад

Cato Inst vs Mises Inst debate needs to happen.

@Grapplingdad23 3 года назад

I lost track on how many fallacies the conservatives made.

@danielwade1978 3 года назад

How has the war on drugs been with the state in charge? The drug issue was won by the Libertarians.

@rickjames4727 5 лет назад

Rather see Cato and Heritage have a meme war

@rogerwelsh2335 2 года назад

This wasn’t even close. Libertarian victory.

@akumasdeception 11 месяцев назад

The thing with Libertarianism is that it’ll only work if everyone conforms to the same social and moral norms. Sadly the world isn’t like that. Those with more power will subjugate those beneath them.

@georgegorbyrubio1366 2 года назад

I'm a conservative and I started reading works of literature on Libertarianism. I am now a Libertarian.

@MikeLisanke 5 лет назад

what kind of debate has participants Read prepared statements in response to debate questions?? scripted arguments could be read by us and considered without presentation considerations, right?

@HowlettYT 4 года назад

This is how actual debates are. If you look at how debate is taught in clubs and whatnot, this is a style of debate. You choose to believe if the presented arguments are scripted or not. I believe that they have evidence and responses prepared in the event that they're needed, but they still have to represent their resolution on their feet.

@juancholo7502 Год назад

And after watching I still find myself somewhere between Libertarian & Conservative. Pure Libertarianism like AnarchoCapitalism & Communism is a utopian dream. It is one I would like to be close to but Humans are gonna Human.

@johnwilhelm385 3 года назад

Frederick Hayek wrote an essays entitled "What I am not a Conservative.". Some of his comments in that piece are similar to points made by the Libertarians in this debate.

@farmerjon360 Год назад

I'd rather have a libertarian in power than a democrat any day

@LittleImpaler 4 года назад

If you make drugs legal. A lot people stop doing them, because they are no longer bad. You tax. The State has money to waste or use wisely.

@danstewart2770 5 лет назад

Legal abortion is not a libertarian policy prescription.

@neilstone3730 5 лет назад

Dan Stewart what do you mean? If you meant that some conservatives also are pro choice in specific situations than I can agree with that, but if that’s not what you mean than I’m confused

@danstewart2770 5 лет назад

@@neilstone3730 Actually, I wasn't referring to conservatives at all. What I meant was precisely what said. There are lots of political positions that are universally held by virtually all true libertarians, but abortion is not one of them. There are lots of pro-choice Libertarians. They don't find that position inconsistent with libertarian political philosophy. They believe life begins at conception and, as such, the state should grant the rights of personhood at that time. Hope this clarifies my comment.

@neilstone3730 5 лет назад

Dan Stewart it does however I would place this argument. In the case of rape do to it violating the non aggression principle so the mother didn’t consent that would mean that the fetus is trespassing on the woman’s property (her body) and she had the fright to defend herself using deadly force if necessary as the nap allows for self defense and defense of property rights

@danstewart2770 5 лет назад

@@neilstone3730 Yup, I understand that that's a libertarian counter-argument, which taken to its logical conclusion justifies abortion irrespective of when life begins -- in other words, even if one accepts the premise that life begin at conception, it doesn't invalidate the argument you posit. In fact, some libertarians might object to the characterization that it's a pro-choice argument, but instead a self-defense argument. You'll get no argument from me. My comment was narrowly limited to pointing out that pro-choice is not a universally held libertarian position for the reasons I stated above.

@neilstone3730 5 лет назад

Dan Stewart only if force was used like in the instance of rape

@pasquinitom 4 года назад

This question on Reparations turned the Libertarian into a Liberal. - 1:15:20

@jaythrash8804 4 года назад

There are no living slaves. And I'm a libertarian/ liberal BTW.

@OctoBox 4 года назад

@@jaythrash8804 if you put off reparations long enough it can be dismissed.....morals / ethics / soul

@elinikolai7493 4 года назад

@@jaythrash8804 Slavery never ended in 1865 it continued until early 1940s. So there might actually be slaves alive today.

@Ssyphoned 4 года назад

COMMUNIST ANTIFA Maybe in china but no, africans living in the US have significantly higher qol and individual earnings than those that live anywhere else. My ancestors died for a foreign royal lineage they have no direct interest in. I don’t deserve a pound of flesh from the queen. I have running water, electricity and endless opportunity of the modern world. Everyone has access to these things in the US as well. If you do not, it is DEFINITELY self imposed.

@michaelkennedy5119 10 дней назад

Libertarian: "The U.S. military budget should be way smaller." Conservative: "Who will defend against Russia?" Libertarian: "NATO!" Conservative: "Who does the lion's share of funding for NATO?" Libertarian: "The U.S." Conservative: "........ Say that again, but slower."

@flyingmonkey3822 5 лет назад

i have DEFINITELY subscribed to Cato Institute, and find myself having to click the subscribe button yet again... hmmmmmm Keep it up! that means you're dangerous

@danstewart2770 5 лет назад

No where on Earth is a person more likely to go to prison, and stay there longer, than right here in the Land of the Free.

@konroh2 5 лет назад

Yes, free to not break the law also means free to break the law.

@konroh2 5 лет назад

@Jack McCabe We should support health. If you put things in your body that are unhealthy (and we all do) then eventually we all pay for it. Society suffers when the individual suffers.

@konroh2 5 лет назад

@Jack McCabe It's a complex issue. I agree that decriminalizing can allow for real help, but Portugal has the population of just one major US city. As a collective community this can work, but people also get help in jail. I agree if we can change the collective culture this is better, but this can only be done in smaller units, so what worked for Portugal (one large US city) doesn't automatically work for a vast country.

@SeanWinters 4 года назад

@Jack McCabe By "victimless crime" I assume you mean "drug offenses", which is usually NOT a victimless crime. Weed off the table, most people have families, people who care about their relatives. When my brother loses his job thanks to his opioid overuse, that effects me. I now, as a caring, productive member of society, have to spend time and money helping my failed brother. These drug addicts are likely to hurt people on job sites, harm their loved ones physically or mentally. Their addiction doesn't only hurt them, it hurts every caring member of their community. If you fine no need for "community" whatsoever, then that is the Crux of the argument. While I believe in maximum personal freedom, if you don't have any responsibility than you're not being a good person/adult/citizen/whatever. Sure, you should be allowed to have weed, but if you're addicted and you are high on the job, if it's effecting your family life, if you're not able to be a part of your community, then your irresponsibility is creating victims.

@SeanWinters 4 года назад

@Jack McCabe I'm not necessarily advocating criminalization, but as it stands there are no other effective ways to get people off drugs. Until we build up the infrastructure to do that, it's best to remove them from society.

@solartime8983 3 года назад

These educated compassionate young Libertarians, trying to stay with facts (& not corrupted by $...yet?) should Lead the party.

@ethanz3837 2 года назад

Better debate than has been seen in any presidential or congressional/senate debate in decades.

@jacobsmitzenwaffenburgerst6626 3 года назад

How can you defend drinking alcohol and demonize other drugs in the same sentence?

@mishaladara 3 года назад

If it doesn't grow it has to go. The body is the temple the mind and the soul. I smoke weed and I eat vegetables everyday. I don't drive a car because those things are toxic they produce 4.5 metric tons of carbon monoxide per year

@lilrewb4646 3 года назад

@@mishaladara lmaooo go frolic in the fields with the amish.

@lilrewb4646 3 года назад

@WorldFlex Yea maybe, all while being stuck in the 1800s

@IHateAlmondMilk 3 года назад

@@mishaladara You’re weird ‼️

@happygilmore1844 4 года назад

Im happy to see this debate happening in my country

@OurNewestMember 6 месяцев назад

Compelling picture presented by the libertarian side: "no one has all of the answers to force upon everyone, so can we agree to let people define their own destiny alone or with others, and we will collectively defend each others' rights to live according to their own beliefs?" But the conservative side raised a good question with, "realistically, at what point do we require the government to intervene?"

@prestonirvin1209 3 года назад

I agree with libertarians almost completely but I can not under any circumstances lie to myself hard enough to believe in open borders!

@C.D.J.Burton 3 года назад

Great talk. I must admit, very poignant arguments from the conservatives. Big love to all.

@DosAleph 3 года назад

UR A GOOD MAN I ASSUME EVERYONE ELS NAH

@rogerwelsh2335 2 года назад

We’ve had a war on drugs for 100 years. We have spent billions and millions of man hours and things are not one bit better. In fact it’s worse

@AnarchyEnsues 5 лет назад

How about a debate against fascism?

@JoseGarcia-vi3pu 5 лет назад

Fascism is not part of this country as of today.

@robinsss 5 лет назад

you mean about fascism

@AnarchyEnsues 5 лет назад

@@JoseGarcia-vi3pu it will be, and it would destroy the both conservatives and libertarians who love to lose everything.

@JoseGarcia-vi3pu 5 лет назад

@@AnarchyEnsues how so?

@AnarchyEnsues 5 лет назад

@@JoseGarcia-vi3pu well one what has the "conservatives" conserved. They are what ever the left advocated for 10 years ago. That's their motor, continue to seed ground, but at least they seed ground honorablely

@rosealexander9007 2 года назад

At the closing arguments the conservative says we aren’t born as individuals. Are you freaking kidding me??

@kingrichardiii6280 2 года назад

that pissed me off, the so called philosophy of freedom and personal responsibility: "we are not individuals"

@rosealexander9007 2 года назад

@@kingrichardiii6280 I completely agree that irritated me very much as well. That’s why I commented on it. Complete stupidity

@shawn1557 3 года назад

You can't regulate moratily which is why Libertarianism is superior.

@AnonymousCommentor_ Год назад

Great arguments from both sides. One of my issue with libertarians is that they lean to the far-left on social issues like homosexualism.

@ofasociety 11 месяцев назад

They've tasted the rainbow.

@scottyrobot3836 5 лет назад

The conservative girl looks like that deaf lady you see on tv

@purestyle8857 4 года назад

Why does that fit so well? 😂

@johntitor2761 5 лет назад

We say legalize weed not the other mind and mood altering substance. We say decriminalize drugs so people are more likely to get the help that they need instead of throwing them in a cell. Im not saying eliminate punishments, but what’s more effective? NA, rehab, and drug court, or jail? I’m an addict and that’s just one of the reasons I’m a libertarian. This lady needs a joint. Stay sober my fellow Methican Americans.

@DanielTheSexiest 4 года назад

Conservative starts debate by quoting Hayek, while ignoring the fact that Hayek wrote an essay called, "Why I am not a Conservative," and would be way more on the libertarian side.

@akash_goel 2 года назад

Conservatives: "After work, colleagues will head to a bar. Will they head to a cocaine vending machine after legalization? I don't think so". Did they just pwn themselves?

@alexanderchenf1 4 года назад

I am a conservative-libertarian. Discipline is a pre-requisite of freedom. The best freedom that we have derives from English Protestanism. The female conservative debater. She’s the kind of woman that takes her romantic relationship seriously. We should preserve government’s assistance. But we should immediately make all government assistance TEMPORARY - only for disaster relief and food shortage and alike. Chronic reliance on government assistance must be punished by cutting off the assistance.

@ThomasNotJefferson 4 года назад

That's a good idea, but u know small government s always turn big some day! 😉

@antotyrrell2012 2 года назад

Conservative libertarians can perfectly balance Order and Chaos

@Honker_H_Moose 2 года назад

As soon I heard something implying that abortion is bad I was on the libertarian side

@bar8665 2 года назад

Murdering baby's in the womb is bad.

@Honker_H_Moose 2 года назад

@@bar8665 that's an opinion, sometimes It's smart to not share your opinion

@bar8665 2 года назад

@@Honker_H_Moose Infringing on others by doing bodily harm and murder is not an opinion. Life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness are rights given to them by their creator.

@Honker_H_Moose 2 года назад

@@bar8665 Can you not reply to me I will not change my view and you are just wasting your time here

@hydrodudes5135 Год назад

@@Honker_H_Moose If you don’t want to here differing opinions, don’t comment.

@highlightrelz897 2 года назад

If libertarianism is just economic conservatism and social liberalism, I’d much prefer libertarians. If libertarianism is just anarcho capitalism, count me the fuck out. We tried feudalism before. It doesn’t work

@presidentpapillon2625 11 месяцев назад

no it actually worked well for the rich class

@joshwilliams1650 4 года назад

I consider myself a conservative / libertarian and I am so sick and tired of conservatives hating on cannabis. They go home, they have their drink of fucking wine but it's a big deal when someone wants to smoke a doobie. You can't even get physically addicted to cannabis or OD.

@augustine1977 5 лет назад

The truth is simple, we live in a republic, conservatives believe in having representatives study the issues and decide for the better of the people. True individualism isn't American. Libertarians might stand for the constitution, but they don't uphold the values of our founding fathers. For the record, I am an ancap, with an aggressive view of the NAP, which of course wasn't brought up.

@libertyforever4270 5 лет назад

The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is pure individualism.

@Someone-cr8cj 5 лет назад

Please don't water down the situation so much. There's so much more to it. Edit: +Jim P that goes for you too.

@libertyforever4270 5 лет назад

@Jim P , The word libertarian refers to anyone who believes in liberty. The Libertarian Party statement of principles has not changed since the Party's inception.

@edwardbenet 5 лет назад

Well said, Augustine. I too am AnCap, which I believe to be the most principled and also most practical of any libertarian incarnation. As I read through these comments I grow more and more heartened. Keep up the good commentary, which includes unmasking fraudulent (unprincipled) libertarians like the team on this debate stage. That I can read through these comments and watch as one by one the commentators unmask both teams on this debate stage with such incisive precision makes me think there's hope. The war of ideas is on and we're winning. It just doesn't appear to be so because the powers that shouldn't be are doing their level best to pretend we don't exist. Regardless, the truth once said has powerful ability to transform, and as Ron Paul might say, you can't turn back an idea whose time has come. Just don't stop typing on those keyboards and speaking those ideas out loudly... we need your voice and it's being heard. Phooey on Cato for such a sloppy job of losing their way - proving a greater interest in patronizing the establishment and not caring about it. We see and know you and have you in our sights.

@augustine1977 5 лет назад

@@LegalesePodcast haha funny, I mean I'm aggressive with my interpretation of what violates the NAP and what doesn't. While I understand what you mean and your example is perfect, Rothbard was no Dave Rubin lol.

@ileanacasiano7859 2 года назад

I hope they are all doing great rn.

@hsharma3933 5 лет назад

How on earth do libertarians say illegal aliens don’t affect crime? I’m starting to rethink where I sit...I feel politically homeless now.

@JohnDoe-nz1ih 5 лет назад

Yes libertarians are pro immigration, if you're not, then you're not a libertarian

@augustine1977 5 лет назад

These are new age libertarians, they didn't even advocate for the eradication of the welfare state. They sound like progressives.

@hsharma3933 5 лет назад

John Doe you can be pro immigration without being pro illegal immigration. Stop conflating immigration with illegal immigration. I’m an immigrant and I still want strong borders. Get that progressive shit outta here.

@hsharma3933 5 лет назад

Mhin'qa this is 10000000% wrong.

@hsharma3933 5 лет назад

Augustine yea. I don’t know what types of libertarians these are but these don’t sound like the Ron Paul type...next they’ll discuss “white privilege”. 🤦🏽‍♂️