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Interview with Ben Orr and Ric Ocasek in 1986 

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@w.rustylane5650
@w.rustylane5650 7 лет назад
I still love the Cars; their music is everlasting. Rest in peace, gentle Ben!
@laurelwood791
@laurelwood791 Год назад
Love these guys forever. Gone but not forgotten. Benjamin Orr and Ric Ocasek.
@laurelwood791
@laurelwood791 Год назад
Never forget these 2 music changers, music makers. Ben Orr. You'll always Stay the Night....
@Danimal1577
@Danimal1577 5 лет назад
R.I.P. Ben & Ric, back together playing music for eternity. Love you guys 🎸💔
@KarmicOmen
@KarmicOmen 14 лет назад
The Cars have stood the test of time -- they are CLASSIC ROCK now! As a 41 year old wife and mom, I still drive around with music blaring out my open windows. Nothing like a little "Candy-O" to jump start the Route 93/Woburn commute. Other drivers give a thumbs up -- for those that don't like ... too bad.
@sherryjohnson2152
@sherryjohnson2152 6 лет назад
you go girl! keep on rocking!!
@kazabushy
@kazabushy 5 лет назад
Haha. I'm 53, doing the exact same thing in a different country. Windows down, 2 kids in the back with our song of choice "Lets Go"!👍
@kathygrinder3060
@kathygrinder3060 3 года назад
I have you both beat. I'm 68 and do the same in my convertible mini cooper.
@JMAC-rs6ey
@JMAC-rs6ey 3 месяца назад
Yes they were very good 👍 avon, ma
@riobrasilsambashowssambist1453
@riobrasilsambashowssambist1453 4 года назад
I wish Ric ocasek hadn't hidden gorgeous Ben Orr away from the limelight all those years
@alanlloyd9986
@alanlloyd9986 3 года назад
He didn't.
@JMAC-rs6ey
@JMAC-rs6ey 2 года назад
It’s not that he hid him, Rick was the lead vocalist
@TheLoghouseTeacher
@TheLoghouseTeacher 3 месяца назад
@@JMAC-rs6eyBen and Ric formed the Cars together and were co-lead singers. During the last few years, Ric became more controlling and pushed Ben out of the limelight, out of co-lead singing.
@estelapontellidesouzahauy5912
@estelapontellidesouzahauy5912 3 месяца назад
Eu tambem
@estelapontellidesouzahauy5912
@estelapontellidesouzahauy5912 3 месяца назад
@@JMAC-rs6eymas as músicas mais lindas foram cantadas pelo Ben Orr
@cherylcuffe9376
@cherylcuffe9376 5 лет назад
I would have loved to meet Ben..he sounds just like me...rest in peace Ben 💓
@Kwood10
@Kwood10 5 лет назад
They were such an awesome band . My first album when I was a teen ,wore it out I played it so much 😆. Such fun songs to listen to . RIP Ric & Ben thanks for all the great music 🎵
@LMSUNSHI
@LMSUNSHI 6 лет назад
It's such a shame Benjamin was taken too soon. I heard about his passing on the radio driving to work. I just wish I knew about his solo band and when he was with Big People. We didn't have social media so I had no idea when or where they played unless I heard it on the radio. I wish his son would do something on behalf of him. ❤️❤️❤️
@riobrasilsambashowssambist1453
@riobrasilsambashowssambist1453 4 года назад
Just say no to.cigarettes. Everyone loves Ben. He's our fantasy
@sprintbass
@sprintbass 16 лет назад
i live in lakewood ohi0 where ben orr was born...i moved here a while ago and i just so happen to be a bass player..Drive is a song that really tears at my heart..i know it was writen about the end of a relationship..but i always saw it as some one who is not well"thinking nothings wrong" whos going to take care of them if they dont take care of themselves..RIP ben orr..this 2009 i hope to pay some tribute to ben orr right here in lakewood D
@webeforyou
@webeforyou 4 года назад
Ohio rocks from youngstown
@brigittenoble2702
@brigittenoble2702 4 года назад
Benjamin Orr est tellement photogénique et craquant !...So gorgeous man
@s.d.haddock1678
@s.d.haddock1678 4 года назад
Béatrice Baldini Entièrement d’accord! Sûrement un des musiciens les plus charismatiques dans le merveilleux monde du Rock! 🤩
@mariaspindley948
@mariaspindley948 7 лет назад
Ric definitely is the talent of the band with his songwriting but Bens voice is the better of the two and gave an edge to the cars hits. For me his voice was the Cars.
@pawnhearts8785
@pawnhearts8785 Год назад
Ric is the brain, Ben is the heart, Elliot is the hands, Greg is the feet, David is the backbone.
@kelseymariel2127
@kelseymariel2127 Год назад
@@pawnhearts8785Excellent analogy. The body can’t function well without each part working in rhythm. That’s what made this group really special. Miss them!
@jonibrimley8369
@jonibrimley8369 9 месяцев назад
THERE WOULD BE NO CARS WITHOUT BENNY ORR. RIC DOESNT LET HIM SAY A WORD IN INTERVIEW😢
@ЛорОРР
@ЛорОРР 8 месяцев назад
Согласна на все 100000%!!!!!
@Professor1789
@Professor1789 9 лет назад
🌟🌟🌟🌟 Benjamin speaks maybe 3 times. Hard to tell with different recordings (each with different EQ) on Ric. Benjamin's all sound the same, EQ-wise. Bassist & principal singer, here; also keys, acoustic & electric 6-string, percussion, recorders, & synth bass. I've done a number of The Cars' songs. But I never saw them. We lived in N Hollywood, CA, in the '80s. No MTV in the Valley because of cable company wars. Never saw an album, except Ric's solo one, which came out of Warner Records shipping (WEA); most of my band worked for Warners'. So I just saw Benjamin Orr for the first time last week. Major mind-scramble. My hair was never blonde back then, & it was longer. He was pop; I'm rock. But geez -- it's like looking at myself. Held his bass like me & at same height. Used a pick. Anchored right hand with little finger. Same stance, same mic technique, same facial expressions, same body movements. Wore a lot of the same clothes, only I wouldn't go onstage with anything sleeveless. My arms were too skinny! The vest/tie thing amazes me. Stills are shocking. But the vids are overwhelming. How did I miss this all these years? I did "Midnight Special," too, & The Cars did just what we did: they filmed on an empty soundstage. Audience was "dubbed" in later. So they don't bow. There was nobody there but crew, & it was probably 8 in the morning. "Midnight Special" is the only time I have ever in my life performed without bowing. Benjamin Orr. I had no idea. And I don't want to think about how many bass players I know who've had pancreatic cancer or other problems, including me.
@jujumulligan43
@jujumulligan43 3 месяца назад
What???
@terriqueen3315
@terriqueen3315 Месяц назад
Makes me wonder if vibration is doing anything , as it is strong with bass, and right against the body?
@ghosttgirlghosttspook5478
@ghosttgirlghosttspook5478 6 лет назад
I love them all, Ben is my reincarnation lover,... see you baby!
@AmusedChild
@AmusedChild 7 лет назад
You never needed an "image," Ric. Neither did the band. Originals, all. Rock with nature in peace, Ben Orr. *kiss*
@jacilenesantos4587
@jacilenesantos4587 Год назад
Benjamin vc é simplesmente lindo saudades❤
@smileylpsgirl
@smileylpsgirl 5 лет назад
Me, watching this: "is that Ric or Ben talking...definitely Ben. Nope, that's Ric. Okay, NOW I think Ben is ta- nope. Still Ric." No offense to Ric tho
@madelinemurray2051
@madelinemurray2051 3 года назад
same i got confused a couple times lol
@Slance1Himself
@Slance1Himself 16 лет назад
"You Might Think" was definitely one of the most famous songs and had probably the most famous music video from 1984. There was only Ric there and he was knows pretty good by people. I actually thought for a really long time that Ric Ocasek sang all the song of The Cars. I didn't know Ben and I listened only to "Heartbeat City" at the time :) Some time later I found "It's Not The Night" live video and was amazed how two perfectly two of them look together, not to mention the rest of The CARS! ;)
@jbsugarpop
@jbsugarpop 7 лет назад
wow! what a group of talent! Cars rock!
@ghosttgirlghosttspook5478
@ghosttgirlghosttspook5478 6 лет назад
one of the best bands in history!!
@McRocket
@McRocket 13 лет назад
Great interview - thanks very much for posting it.
@paulbattifora7617
@paulbattifora7617 6 лет назад
Seeing all these classic artists being glorified with holographic tours, wouldn't it be cool for the Cars to try it if they perform for their Hall of Fame induction? Their performance at Live Aid is criminally overlooked...
@chisaoboy
@chisaoboy 13 лет назад
Great... thanks for posting!
@PrepDogg
@PrepDogg 15 лет назад
great interview....great band
@lotsofhats3224
@lotsofhats3224 16 лет назад
Thanks dude. From a love them CARS fan. Thanks!
@laural1784
@laural1784 5 лет назад
Rip Ric. Ty for all the music 😔❤💔✨
@raywood4223
@raywood4223 4 года назад
The more I learn about The Cars the more I can see their sense of humor. I even think I heard a lyric or two twisted.
@iwantthe80sback59
@iwantthe80sback59 2 года назад
And sadly both men are gone. RIP Ben and Ric.
@julieswahn
@julieswahn 15 лет назад
Do you really think that Ric's relaxed attitude about who got to sing which song (Ben or him) is really how it was? I hear and read too much about a kind of competition over lead vocals. Interesting.. I do think Ric's comment over Ben's ability on the song "Drive" where Ric says, "I couldn't sing that great." All is forgiven now :)
@norbertk9595
@norbertk9595 5 лет назад
Rick has been very generous re: Ben's contribution to the band. Ben's voice is different from Ric's, but his delivery style is weirdly similar.
@GizziesGirl2
@GizziesGirl2 4 года назад
I don't think it was that relaxed. If it was Ben's lead vocal numbers wouldn't have kept shrinking(which dropped steadily from 4 1/2 on Candy-O to 2 1/2 on Heartbeat City). By the time of HBC, most people didn't even know Ben sang, despite the fact that on the first two albums he sang some of their best known songs(on the first album not just the single that "broke them", Just What I Needed, but even though not released as singles Bye Bye Love, Moving in Stereo and All Mixed up got major FM radio play). Someone who doesn't really care or is laid back about it doesn't mind if the guy with the better voice actually sings more songs and doesn't mind if the guy with the better voice gets enough attention so that people know he sings. I do think Ric genuinely liked Ben's voice, I also think he was too jealous to allow Ben to get any real attention and acclaim for it.
@1dawnf
@1dawnf 10 лет назад
he got Paulina P i guess he understands women better than i ever thought..lol
@norbertk9595
@norbertk9595 5 лет назад
Most of the Cars' songs are about women and/or sex. BTW, Paulina admitted in an interview a long time ago that as a young girl she had a fantasy of seducing Mr. Spock! Seriously.
@Nina-hk7ub
@Nina-hk7ub 4 года назад
But Ric was an ass to Paulina. He checked out on her.
@Retroscoop
@Retroscoop 2 года назад
1:10 Ahhh... Nice to see this picture in Brussels, with the famous Atomium on the background. For those who don't know it, it was the symbol of the World Fair in 1958, and represents an iron molecule. It still exists, and attracts lots of visitors. There is a restaurant in the highest "atom". Today, that ball is named after the architect, André Waterkeyn. The structure is 102 m high.
@robinshepard4571
@robinshepard4571 Год назад
I ❤ Benjamin Orr 🌹👁️,✌️🎸🙏⭐🕶️❤🇺🇸
@ghosttgirlghosttspook5478
@ghosttgirlghosttspook5478 6 лет назад
love The Car's!!
@bushbeachlifestyle6721
@bushbeachlifestyle6721 2 года назад
Amazing catching this tysm really enjoyed listening to Ric xx
@drumdude1000
@drumdude1000 15 лет назад
This interview is of Ric only. Even though it's stated above that it's a interview with both Ben and Ric. To my ears it's just Ric taken from various interviews. Ben, I think didn't do too many interviews. He was quiet and didn't like the limelight too much.
@jrrcorcloudsaremine
@jrrcorcloudsaremine 6 лет назад
drumdude1000 no it was both guys... Ben spoke
@kazabushy
@kazabushy 5 лет назад
Rubbish. Listen to Ben for starters - 0.36.
@Anna-ql9gl
@Anna-ql9gl 7 лет назад
good interview.
@mdhotstuff
@mdhotstuff 7 лет назад
Let me break it down.. .the cars are a success because off all the pieces working together. Both Ric and Ben are great singers. On one side of the coin, Ric writes all the songs, as well as sings...on the flip side - Ben is also a great singer, but he engages the crowd more. Ben is a better showman over-all. I believe that in both of their solo careers, they were both 1 hit wonders....The Cars with either singer, is a really good band - The Cars with both singers - a super group.....Remember one thing - their only number 1 hit - was Drive. I too did not know who sang what until MTV came out
@bbigjohnson069
@bbigjohnson069 7 лет назад
I didn't think it was too difficult to tell who sang what songs. Ocasek sang like he wasn't going to exhale, more nasal. Ben had a deeper voice. My friends and I liked the way Ocasek sang the way he delivered the lyrics always cracked us up. We'd go around imitating him. It was usually the less popular songs. Gimme Some Slack, Misfit Kid, Lust For Kicks, Up and Down. He had the shades, he was cool.
@tajtandoori9076
@tajtandoori9076 Год назад
Rics comment, was he bisexual? Paulina mentioned in her book she found out something about him after he died but it was his secret to tell and she doesn't divulge secrets.
@Slance1Himself
@Slance1Himself 15 лет назад
This is my favorite interview by the way :)
@johncook7281
@johncook7281 4 года назад
Did I miss the Ben Part? I Like Ric but this said Ric and Ben; Ben and Ric.
@kittensanddaisies5615
@kittensanddaisies5615 Год назад
I must have missed Ben too. Kept waiting to hear from Ben but all i heard was Ric throughout the entire interview.
@TrentB924
@TrentB924 11 лет назад
I agree with everything you posted. Makes me think of my ex...
@erinlangley4418
@erinlangley4418 8 лет назад
No doubt it the Fucking Cars rock and always will
@middaysun3553
@middaysun3553 5 лет назад
I can't recognise who's talking...
@myboyjasper
@myboyjasper 5 лет назад
Yeah, Ric was saying how 'he really understood women and could tell them how they were being taken advantage of.' Really Ric? Didn't you walk out on two wives and four sons? And didn't you leave your second wife for an eighteen year old model? Please! Totally in denial....
@GizziesGirl2
@GizziesGirl2 4 года назад
I'm sure he told 18 year old Paulina all about how she was being taken advantage(her dad abandoned the family after she was finally allowed to join her parents in Sweden after a 7 year custody battle between communist Czechoslavakia and her defector parents). You know she had daddy issues I'm sure 40 year old Ric didn't take advantage of at all. :/
@natetheguitarkid
@natetheguitarkid 11 лет назад
Actually excuse me. Ben did talk. Quite a few times. when he said boston hometown thing and about england. that was ben.
@Anna-ql9gl
@Anna-ql9gl 7 лет назад
they have similar speaking voices.
@sherryjohnson2152
@sherryjohnson2152 6 лет назад
your right. i went back and listened to it again and that is Ben talking about Boston and England. i think thats the only time he does speak though. both Ben and Ric have low soft voices. Ben had the better singing voice i think and boy did he have the looks over Ric too!
@terriqueen3315
@terriqueen3315 29 дней назад
@@sherryjohnson2152 I dont think they were competitive as much as people cursed them that way ....GOD SAYS COMPARING THEMSELVES AMONGST THEM SELVES IS UNWISE, LETS IN JEALOUS demons that kill steal and destroy...just saying it ....
@jeanfleetwood1971
@jeanfleetwood1971 5 лет назад
RIP !!!!!
@Slance1Himself
@Slance1Himself 16 лет назад
Oh yeah absolutely! :D
@sherigilmore9141
@sherigilmore9141 3 года назад
Did Benjamin get to talk in this interview? It was all about ichabod Ric.
@kittensanddaisies5615
@kittensanddaisies5615 Год назад
If Benjamin did speak in this interview i must have missed it also.
@brendacrow3139
@brendacrow3139 11 лет назад
love the accent!!!comin from a cockney gall !!!!! dont know why benjamin didnt like england.can anyone tell me why????
@Anna-ql9gl
@Anna-ql9gl 7 лет назад
standard American accent, same as mine. I like the cockney, but I need subtitles when I h ear it in a movie. ( :
@borntobone
@borntobone 5 лет назад
RIP Ric
@mjakowski
@mjakowski 12 лет назад
Did Ben say anything at all ? Tired of hearing Ric all the time let Ben talk please ..
@sherryjohnson2152
@sherryjohnson2152 6 лет назад
it says, interview with Ben Orr and Ric Ocasek, but i dont think Ben was even there. I read he hated doing interviews but, i think if he were at this one the person doing the interview would have at least asked Ben one question.
@jrrcorcloudsaremine
@jrrcorcloudsaremine 6 лет назад
Ben did talk...
@terryc.3390
@terryc.3390 5 лет назад
The softer-spoken voice is Ben.
@MsRandom303
@MsRandom303 2 года назад
"Oh, so Ric was secretly gay?" Nah. Ask Paulina. In all seriousness, sexuality isn't black and white, it's a spectrum. That's why we use rainbows as a metaphor.
@terriqueen3315
@terriqueen3315 29 дней назад
takes one to know one...
@jackiebeals5810
@jackiebeals5810 4 года назад
Why is this entitled 'with Ben Orr and Ric Ocasek'?
@natetheguitarkid
@natetheguitarkid 11 лет назад
I think ben should of had a word. but if you dont like Ric then you dont like the cars. nothing wrong with words from ric, hes a cool guy.
@reneechristopher2121
@reneechristopher2121 Год назад
So, was Ric bisexual? Or was he joking?😮😮😮😮 Just curious.
@cathiiannii
@cathiiannii 10 лет назад
No Ben....
@1dawnf
@1dawnf 10 лет назад
Benjamin was on in the beginning and the middle the beginning he was the cat saying it took him no time to adjust to stardom well 15 minutes , the tongue in cheek joke.. and i only know his from watching another interview after Ben passes, L( and rick talks about how uncomfortable he was with all of that.. which for someone that was his ugly ass had to be front and center in all the group shots , when you got beautiful Benjamin
@BenCulture
@BenCulture 8 лет назад
+dawn fillinger The Cars tried all sorts of poses, but the ones photographers and publishers wanted were with Ric in the center. It makes artistic and intellectual sense. First of all, he's practically a foot taller than everyone else. He's going to stand out no matter what. Secondly, it's his band. You can have your favorites; I personally like Elliot Easton a lot, but the fact remains, the Cars were a band that played Ric Ocasek songs and nothing else. I'm sure they always understood that from the start. And Ric did sing most of the hit singles. That's just how it is. A band needs a leader. Benjamin Orr was not the leader.
@ciaralangdon1917
@ciaralangdon1917 5 лет назад
This is all Ric. No Ben
@missroxy1484
@missroxy1484 3 года назад
So Ric was bisexual? If he liked both men and women
@tacomadc
@tacomadc 13 лет назад
Ric was attracted to unattractive men? Ha ha, guess Ben didn't have to worry.
@cherylcuffe9376
@cherylcuffe9376 5 лет назад
Well Ben said he himself was attracted to women and men
@sheylishka.
@sheylishka. 5 лет назад
@@cherylcuffe9376 Oh, c'mon! He never said that. Ric was bisexual. Benjamin not.
@GizziesGirl2
@GizziesGirl2 4 года назад
LOL Yep bet Benjamin was relieved.
@janetaldrich7747
@janetaldrich7747 11 месяцев назад
​@@cherylcuffe9376He did. NOT!
@debrarice3812
@debrarice3812 6 лет назад
did ric ocasek ever live in milwaukee wi?
@lisamurphy4282
@lisamurphy4282 4 года назад
Ric was bisexual??????!!!
@Slance1Himself
@Slance1Himself 15 лет назад
I bet he just always saw some beauty in men too, not in a gay way though
@Slance1Himself
@Slance1Himself 15 лет назад
The first person that talks in the video is Ric, so there ya go :) I personally like Ric :D
@lespaulfanofsparta
@lespaulfanofsparta 8 лет назад
I love Ric, I love Ben but, I don't get all this vocal discussion talk. Let's talk guitars. Elliott played the guitars, Ric played the "clickies." Ric's word. Elliott was heartbroken when they heard his take on Touch n Go and basically went, meh. Then they made him do it again and loved it. Elliott said it was basically the same.
@norbertk9595
@norbertk9595 5 лет назад
Elliot was by far the best musician in the band; his licks & solos are incredible.
@terryc.3390
@terryc.3390 5 лет назад
Well, Ric was the primary songwriter, sooo, that's why Ric got a lot of attention.
@garethleitner9547
@garethleitner9547 7 лет назад
Ric could have taken more credit than he did. He's a modest guy. Gotta give him credit for that. He's a songwriting dynamo.
@GizziesGirl2
@GizziesGirl2 4 года назад
How could he possibly have taken more credit? I mean the rest of the band was virtually invisible and nameless. People thought Drive was the only song Benjamin had ever sung because the Ric First PR had been so successful at burying the fact.
@moodylicious
@moodylicious 4 года назад
@@GizziesGirl2 Mm-hm; and still people are just discovering it was Ben who sang DRIVE. Honestly! I don't understand this unearned deference to RO. A complimentary comment to Ben can't pass unsullied by someone with a Ric hero worship. In most respects that's all Benjamin has!
@moodylicious
@moodylicious 4 года назад
Gareth Leitner Ric's "a modest guy"? Are we talking about the same person? And he "could have taken more credit than he did"? I don't think that was possible.
@GizziesGirl2
@GizziesGirl2 4 года назад
@@moodylicious Yeah it annoys me. I said it to someone on another video recently - RO made sure he got nearly all the kudos and attention while he was alive, don't begrudge fans of the other members, whether it's Ben or Greg or any of them, to praise them now when their names are barely even known except to those fans.
@moodylicious
@moodylicious 4 года назад
@@GizziesGirl2 Absolutely, GG!! I understand and agree wholeheartedly.
@tchamp77
@tchamp77 16 лет назад
Does this guy have to say "you know?" all the time????
@cherylcuffe9376
@cherylcuffe9376 5 лет назад
Sounds so, lol
@GizziesGirl2
@GizziesGirl2 4 года назад
LOL maybe that's one way to tell when Ric speaking and when Ben is speaking. If he isn't saying "you know" every 10 seconds, it might be Ben. :D (At least I don't think Ben says it every 10 seconds, I haven't really heard enough of him speaking in interviews to know, he didn't do in the Live Aid interview with Martha Quinn or the interview with Mark Goodman for his solo album.)
@Earthtime3978
@Earthtime3978 5 лет назад
I get confused between Ben and Ricks speaking voices , I can’t tell who’s saying what.
@pervotheclown2199
@pervotheclown2199 9 лет назад
I love the cars , but who ever said Ric writes most of the hits and that Ben sings most of the hits is an idiot. RIC wrote all the songs on every record , but hawks gets credit on like 2 songs in their entire history . Ric sings: let the good times roll,shake it up, touch and go,magic,you might think,tonight she comes. The singing of the hits is kinda equal.
@BenCulture
@BenCulture 9 лет назад
Randy Jones I've done the boring math. Ric sings most of the hits by a significant amount. But the people who really want to establish Ben-Orr-superiority will resort to "Well, Ben sang most of the _fan favorites"_ or just "the _best_ songs." You know, move the goalposts, and you can win anything. It's best not to argue with the Ben Orr devotees. They don't love Side Two of the first album any more than I do, but there's something drastically wrong with them, because there was never a Cars War. They're not Pink Floyd.
@dannilomuscio6968
@dannilomuscio6968 8 лет назад
rhythmic slapper if im not mistaken the song that got the the record deal was "just what I needed" that was sung by Benjamin . Don't try to diminish his work is not his fault he was talented and a babe. Ric is amazing too writing the songs and singing too.
@pervotheclown2199
@pervotheclown2199 8 лет назад
Danni Lomuscio​​ It's all Ric Ocasek c , he wrote practically every song . Benjamin Orr was a good vocalist but Benjamin never wrote any music for the cars . It's 100 percent Ric Ocasek 
@moodylicious
@moodylicious 7 лет назад
interesting.... I wonder; had Ben used EE, Greg, and David as his band for a solo effort, would his solo flight been on par with Ric, who DID coincidentally wind up with The Cars as his back-up band?
@norbertk9595
@norbertk9595 5 лет назад
@@moodylicious Ben wasn't a songwriter. Ric wrote all of the Cars' songs. The songs on Ben's solo album were all co-written with Larry Klein.
@tacomadc
@tacomadc 13 лет назад
Ric has been married to a supermodel for 30 years - not doing too bad.
@kdwet
@kdwet 16 лет назад
Wow you have done a great job on the Cars Slance. Thanks for sharing this.
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