Interview with Senior C++ Developer 

I don't get that one. I mean I get the idea but cannot map it to any real scenario no matter how exaggerated. The smart approach of last 15(?) years is not to try to outsmart your compiler but try not to get in it's way [as it usually knows better]. P.S. Also, one can always work with '-O0' only, so...

@@anton7354 Exaclty. Bud sadly many developers in my experience have not seen their compiler as their best friend, but rather, as in the video....their enemy. Hence the physical damage delt.^^

@@anton7354 The only enemy is MSVC

@@mrocholl I stumble across a lot of compiler bugs because I typically like to use new-ish features (for the compiler we're using at least). Works on my machine with a newer compiler, but automated testing will fail, because I can't do template realisations with the namespace in the name instead of putting it in a namespace.

@@anton7354 because C++ devs will do undefined shit because it’s faster (or more often, they think it’s faster) then turn off all the warnings that they’re doing undefined shit, then get mad when the undefined behavior changes.

why it is a joke? i don't get it, i'm new at programming so can u explain pls??(srry for my english, i accept positive feedback) :)

@@slowpoke8670 because as human you’re inevitably gonna miss some, which can be fatal. Many security vulnerabilities are caused by this. Also running tests and checking if everything works is wasting a lot of time, this is one reason why typescript is becoming popular - it catches many errors before needing to run the program. With JavaScript code you need to test software A LOT.

@@sohn7767 What this tells me is that you're not a good programmer ;-)

@@RobinLeGaming hey hey my software has NO ERRORS **segfaults**

@@sohn7767 I'm sorry, but I got my opinions on people saying testing is a waste of time.

"...we do use boost though"

A script that clones a github page... can that be considered a package manager?

This is Russian IT reality for next decades I think. Help me plz

something a JS dev would say - source I'm a js dev

sad conan noises

Well, it's true.

That's why the joke is somewhat decent; he has enough subject familiarity to reflect truths. For those seeking context, C is one of the first portable systems programming languages, developed specifically to enable porting of Unix between different computers. This earned it the nickname "portable assembler", though C code need not actually be portable; mostly, it's up to the programmer to pay attention and know the rules, because the first compilers really couldn't.

A document in a language inferior to ROFF is not really Real Software. Although technically a computer programme, it is still a document. Anyone can write that without having to know anything about algorithmic complexity. JavaScript is a security critical bug. Who ever thought that remote execution of random code as a feature was a good idea?

Ok chef

He's not wrong

@@davidwuhrer6704 You do know we don't use eval() right.. there is literally no actual smart good developer that uses eval

@@wuxxy I wasn't talking about eval. I was talking about the remote code execution vulnerability that is JavaScript being treated as a feature. No actual smart good developer uses eval. The Sphinx documentation generator does.

Well if it's pointers it's more of a C tier joke. shared_ref that's a proper C++ tier joke.

3 tiers - race condition, reference and pointer, and pointer's 2nd meaning of 'a tip' being a double entendre. Very well written.

efficiency is the point

isn't it "who's there? knock knock, race conditions"

@@pmarreck No, a race condition happens when two things that aren't supposed to happen at once happen at once. You don't really run into this until you get into multi-threading. Imagine you have a function that is checking a list, you assume this list won't change while checking it. But you have a logic bug where your bubble sort starts in another thread and starts sorting the array. This is a race condition, you have two different pieces of code 'racing' for the data. You don't know what will happen because you have no way of knowing for sure what the data will be when you read it. It would be like if you hooked two keyboards up to your computer and had two people try playing a game at once, each would be 'racing' for the same resources. So >Knock Knock >Who's There + Race Condition //This is the race condition In the normal joke structure these two "Who's There + Race Condition" happening at once is 'illegal', both being said at once is a single instance of a race condition. If he followed up with a 'jinks you owe me a coke' by predicting the 'wtf' response correctly then it would be two race conditions, because 'jinks' is a meme based on calling out a race condition when it happens as it violates the rules of conversation.

Yeah its totally true

Interviewer disagrees! :D

@@Duu2 all os are written in some form of C and game engines or anything that require low amounts resources / low level or needs to ran efficiently is probably written in a form of C.

@@Duu2 Then you did wrong. Always write your applications such that they can be building block for other applications. If other people didn't do that, you wouldn't be able to build your application either.

no

No. It's the kernel that's the enemy.

@@RillianGrant Both the kernel and the compiler are enemies :D

"I learned C in a day"

@@ezradlionel711 And that was all the time I could retain it in my memory.... Then segfault!!!

the delivery of that joke was so on point

Living for a purpose, personified

Loved the “no” from the camera man

Sums it up

Sounds like an IDE

That is very true. Like I use the Unity game Engine and the back end is all c++.

😂😂😂😂😂

Is it race or raise?

@@nikilthalapaneni4264 Race condition

@Eitan Tal or may be you didn't get the joke

@@ankursharma5043 well, then I didn't get it either

C++ is a “convenience language” 🤣

​@@dickheadrecs i know some people who would rather call it an inconvenience language including me

I don't hate you guys, just classes and your standard library. ^^

c++ is bloated

@@node0382 if you are using the entire standard library (which you won't regardless of whatever application you are making), yes

Perhaps you should stop using Windows.

@@elan4157 no

Are you using turbo c

Linux is better

It's a good idea to share code, but many NPM packages really take it too far. Just write that 10 line code yourself and save me the extra dependency that is just an extra liability.

Then you should consider Rust. It's low level, as fast as c++ or c, has package manager. And if I'm not mistaken, Rust is safe language, meaning you can't compile error code into production because the compiler will tell you the error before compile the app. You will love it if you're the guy that code lowe level programming. But it's still young tho, has a little job. But still cool

I'm enjoying rust but the rust community insists you install a dumbass library for every little thing, I prefer to keep my dependencies to a minimum

No we do use it. In my new app i use a giant 7 libraries. Of couse for all of them i reverse engineered the build script and added my own to make it work with my build system.

@@justincameron9123 wtf are you talking about? you are not FORCED to install anything. if you don't like a particular library, just implement the functionality you need yourself. if it takes too much time/effort for you to do it properly, then use a library. it's pretty much the same in every language

Was it?

Fine... I will do it myself

Of course, not 😂

I so wished this was a good book

I googled this too lol. Just learn gdb instead. I feel like this should at least be a Medium article though, it deserves to be written.

Euhmmm I have an Apple keyboard on my Linux machine. I love the low profile keys... I tried a mechanical keyboard again last year, but switched back to the lovely scissor switches. And I even develop in assembly still and adore vi :D

@@CallousCoder try a thinkpad keyboard, you won't ever look back

@@blacksmithie precisely that! I love the click though. But they are too high so too much strain on the wrists and fingers and indeed the travel is so large that it’s really not ideal for me. The best keyboard I had was a mechanical keyboard the IBM 5150 I believe model M. But I wonder if I would still dig it.

I use a $3 keyboard and it does the job pretty well. Only problem is that most of the letters on the keys wore off after a month of use.

Longtime C programmer here. My middle school had ancient IBM PS/2s with Model M keyboards. Hated them. I do prefer mechanical keyboards, but I'm not going to be super snobby about it and I don't think the Model M deserves its weird cult status.

Do you know of any videos like that on RU-vid?

coask

You mean the minutes and the coffee break, including the cigarettes, it takes for a clean-build? And the liquid nitrogen I need to pour onto my laptop to not go air plane and fly off the desk? :D

@@varadinagypal What chip are _you_ using? A Dorito?

The person who mentored me in IBM mainframe systems did that with both 370 assembler and JCL. I got good enough to do that with JCL, but my assembly skills were weak. I reverted to C and promptly crashed the system - segmentation fault that exercised failing hardware. Fun times.

No that's mediocre shit - Keep doing these badass tech-geek skits !

Yesss, screw PMs asking for everything in PowerShell or some other “readable” language.

I actually did a spit take xD

Also, "did you get the reference?", "do you need pointers?" 😆

"Race condition who?" "Who's there" "Knock knock" "Race condition"

⁠@@monkemode8128​​⁠no man, if you *actually* took the time to run the code you'd see it comes out as: "Race condition who?" "Knock knock" "Race condition" "Who's there" Make sure you always test your code once before committing!

What about C++?

@@stevo946 In case of C++ the hammer handle will not try to murder you every time you swing it xD

Hammer Spaceship

But it will be the fanciest spaceship or hammer around. I guarantee it.

Programming in PHP: Here, use this double clawed hammer and build a webshop for selling spaceships

this slays.

Excel just got Python in it

Good stuff! Former MS Access junkie guilty of doing absolutely shameful things w/ VBA, interop, and things we won't ever speak of again. I'm convinced if I had stuck with that paradigm I would have been just fine from a career standpoint, but still glad I found .NET and C# in the early days (~2002). :)

@Dave B Well.... yeah.... but that's part of its folksy charm!

The main things to focus on is memory management, and wrangling its awful standard library. But being low featured, it forces you to plan more carefully.

@Dave B yes

@@daveb6125 Isn't that what library's are for?

@@daveb6125 depends. You write your own library. And reuse them later

He did it

@@GT-tj1qg he did it afterwards, and I enjoyed it very much 👍

Love it!

The C++ auto specifier means that any idiot can now use templates without having to think much about what they're doing. It's both terrifying and awesome at the same time.

I used C++ templates very heavily for a decade before deciding that they are actually an antipattern and should be avoided in almost all situations.

Yeah, that doesn't work anymore in Python 3+ :)

The other day I accidentally wrote 'printf("Hello, world");' in Python

As any -fule- C programmer kno, if you are outputting a literal string that is not a formatting template, you use fputs, not printf.

pymel, baby

@@toastom nah man, you gotta put it in a string stream and format it then output into cout

For Gen Zs Hard drives are those disks you plug on sata connections and go "vrrrr".

@@asandax6 I am meant for today's technology. Since the dot bomb, I added clinical psychology and cognitive neuroscience to the mix. I want to create self-aware AI. Coding has changed. I am getting used to Python and Golang. How about a distributed functional model of the brain using a BFT consensus engine with AI managing the rules of governance? One company is working on doing proof-of-stake with indeterminate state machines. Now that's cool. BTW, back in 1985, we had one of these drives short to the 5V line on my friends controller board, 8 mos into development. Flames shooting three feet out the back of his board. We all thought it was funny. Funny that 6 mos later, he went back to picking cherries in Oregon on his parents farm.

@@PresentFocus Thank you for this! My grandfather introduced me to his Magnavox Odyssey, and I was hooked. I programmed a Snake-like games for my Mattel Aquarius in BASIC because they hadn't released a Tron Lightcycles game. For years - decades even - I let my tech development languish. Last year, I came back with a vengeance. I learned Python and SQL. I'm now at the national AI Academy at NC State. Like you, I see self-aware AI as a good thing - or at least as an inevitable thing which we need to try to steer towards what is good. I similarly have some background in clinical mental health, currently working in an outpatient community mental health clinic. I'm called to this work as sure as our blessed Lady was called to hers (not that I claim equality with her sinless nature, of course). Earlier this week, I got invited to the Google Foobar Challenge. Wish me luck! And if you have any interest in connecting, you can email me at "my first name dot my last name at g mail" with the first and last name you see me use here.

@@MarcillaSmith I will send you my LinkedIn profile in email. I think it will be a satisfying connection for both of us. Time to make history, maybe 🤔

@@MarcillaSmith Probably noone will ever write self-aware AI. I can't even fathom what "awareness" is. But our awareness was not coded. It evolved. From what? Arguably nothing. With the help of certain environmental conditions maybe, by luck. So maybe software needs to evolve to become aware. But from which initial conditions? Maybe just small pieces of code like read, write, calculate, delete? But does this even make sense? One thing interesting is as far as we know all things with awareness are alive. They live! Do sotwares live? And life evolved from non-life. That is also deep. Maybe software needs to evolve to be alive and then evolve to be aware. How do you make software alive? Do you throw batteries and cable pieces and lead-contacts etc on a piece of paper on which is written.... code? How does it even happen?

Especially those who are older. Most of them were 1980s bedroom coders and had their first experience of computers before Moses was born.

@@halfbakedproductions7887 Actually it was 'back when we counted bandwidth in bits per second. Not kilobits, just bits. We're efficient with memory as we started with 8k for the whole program that executed on a 8080. Saving memory and putting in ASM blocks to save a few cycles then makes sense.

One day someone will 😂

Been done. I think it was the legendary Fabrice Bellard who implemented an x86 emulator in JavaScript, then got a Linux kernel to boot in the browser.

Oops. They did it.

That's why it says senior C++ developer. I was around when C++ and Java were introduced, and they're very different languages from the ones sharing their name back then. Too bad C++ still insists on making every new feature be harder to actually write or read. I'd say C++ was in need of a Kotlin style redesign, but history has shown that people don't want cleaner languages like D very much.

why would you bing anything when there is duckduckgo

It's wordplay. We can tell when wordplay is being used even if we don't understand why what's being said is actually funny.

what can I say it's a sneaky language

"Of course i know when im inside a virtual enviroment, inside another virtual enviroment, running inside a docker container"

They are medium level, I think. At least C. Near assembler speed but sort of readable code

@@ltva8781 If the only true low level language is binary shoved between registers and written in VIM, I'll gladly accept the position of mid-level. But I would question if people know how far the scripting languages go at that point.

@@TheDSasterX You can have literally 10 levels of abstraction with modern high-level languages. C never goes beyond 2 or 3 IMO. The first level is variables, branches and cycles, the second is functions and structs. The third may be function prototypes and some attributes.

You can do it if you use a compiler that targets machines instead of .NET

@@overloader7900 You mean like .NET native compilation? I actually would still like to be able to get a program running on this machine. I generally do not have access to addon VS components or NuGet.

Try an older MSVC compiler version or MinGW, maybe one of those will be able to compile for Windows XP

@@richardrisner921 no, just compile it to a native executable on your machine using a c++ compiler like gcc or clang

@@richardrisner921 you talkin C# or C++?! These are hugely diffirent things

no, i'm filled with dread and misery every time i have to code something in that

When you truly understand C++ its absolutely amazing. And you feel like an actual programmer

God's programming language for a reason 💪

i think you guys are talking about C

@@urjasvi You're thinking of HolyC, not C++

@pntg0n!kyuu In name only. Where's my inheritance support or default ctor overloads in C# structs?

learning cliff got me

You mean Microsoft Java?

@@HansFlamme maybe at one point in the distant past, not longer the case since at least c#3.5

@@y200sub Sort of, now that it's properly open sourced, but that didn't happen until .NET Core. But it's still funny because it has its roots in MS wanting a JVM for MS OSes only.

And I guess F# still has all those low level access + oop + functional programming. Looks like the language of the future.

@ yes F# getting better each day

apt-get install everything ourselves

@@davidwuhrer6704 😂

Yea, but it pays back. Imagine standard library without templates.

indeed, however cpp20 with concepts solve atleast unreadable compilation errors :D

@@smileifyoupoopie9926 There's a certain point when i realized that many of the "design patterns" are meant to be workarounds in mainstream langauges for their shortcomings, and books like "clean code" try to establish some "best practices" to maintain one's sanity :) And C++ is sticking to backward compatibility so much that the whole thing just keeps becoming larger and larger every year, i gave up on it eventually, realizing that i don't want o wait until they introduce the 3rd type of enum :D I'm sure it keeps burning out a lot of game developers when projects like Cyberpunk2077 and others keep crashing, i know they often times don't use boost/STL but they each have their own little magic libraries so even switching companies sucks :D Not to mention the US army trying to develop the new software system for the new fighter jets and failing multiple times to deliver good C++ software despite the huge development times and budget, there must be something bad about their decision to switch to C++ :D

Templates are not that bad. C++ is cucked by the backwards compatibility of C.

I don't like templates honestly, everything has to go in the damn header

Hey, when the world collapses and everythin needs to be re-built from the ground up, who are they gonna call to implement this stuff. This comment is from the Data Structures Gang. "Looking for a job since 2010"

Unfortunately, custom string implementations will haunt you much longer. Especially when i18n arrives. Not sure about nowadays, but 10 years ago mobile gamedevs worked mostly with "custom everything". Maybe modern frameworks have resolved that problems. And then there are some embedded platforms, which can have insanely limited RAM, but some very special read only memory is available. Most of the time you must write a special version of string object, which is capable of extracting data from that storage on demand.

Think of it as two videos: One about C and then the next iteration