For those who are afraid of an INTJ’s judgment, it’s not judgment…it’s detached, impartial ASSESSMENT. From that standpoint, it’s like a robot or AI or an algorithm is handling it (or might as well be). My motto (at least, one of them) would be: “IT’S NOT PERSONAL.” I’ll put that on a tee, and up to 0.8% of us in the population can wear it. 😆
💯!! My ENFJ son feels criticized by my input. I've told him my thought process & that the information/comments I supply are just data to supply additional information. It makes no difference to him. He would prefer I just applaud whatever decisions he's made and/or plans he'll implement. Just give him kudos. That feels dishonest to me & like I'm not doing my job as a parent. Example: he's made a decision about a purchase & I know a,b,c about that item & it's cost. When I give him that info, he feels I am telling him he's made a bad decision. Instead, I'm just giving him data. No matter that I tell him it's nothing personal, he will always take it that way.
@@crwlh6721 My sympathies…we INTJs understand that most will eschew our advice, no matter how much we back up our statements w/ concrete evidence. If your son isn’t inclined towards personal growth, then he’s likely to not only learn everything the hard way, but will probably keep being presented the same lessons, over & over & over. 🙄 It’s so hard having to watch from the sidelines the disastrous or otherwise undesirable outcomes that you already PREDICTED would occur, come to pass, esp. when it’s your own child!! 🤦🏻♀️ And saying “I told you so” isn’t satisfying, since you don’t need the validation (because you’re pretty much always right, as long as you have the facts). I wonder if you can incentivize your son to listen to you-what are some consequences that would serve as either the carrot or stick to make him want to heed your advice? Could you record your predictions in some kind of ongoing document or something? GAMIFYING things makes things more fun, so in your INTJ chess master role , what do you think would work for your son, given his psychology? ♟️ 🤔 Logic is what’s missing, and he’s going w/ short-term, feel-good vibes. What does he fear? Is it public humiliation? What excites him? Public validation? Does he make enough money to contribute to a virtual piggy bank for when he makes poor decisions that he’s been warned about (by you)? If/when there are enough funds, he can donate it to a charity/organization/cause of maybe his choosing, where he’ll get recognized for his donation. It’s like a closed loop of sorts! 😆
I am an INTJ. Recently, a friend of mine told me to "have fun" when I was going to volunteer at a lobster festival. The idea of having fun that day had not occurred to me. I was only concerned with doing my job well.
Repressed Se is basically anxiety of the present which is the other side of the coin of Ni, and Ni is basically distrust, INTJs and INFJs suffer from anxiety due to the fact that they are virtually unable to trust. This causes them to compulsively plan and strategise.
“Anxiety of the present” is a great way of putting it. There’s this lack of trust with your ability to act in the moment, so you run a simulation of how things will go beforehand. You have a level of mental preparation, so you aren’t at the mercy of adapting and improvising with the whims of the moment.
Hi @@JoyceMeng22, big fan here ☺️, as a fellow type fanatic I want to thank you for the great work you continue to do, I learned a lot from you, your channel , and the panels you put together, but I'm curious...As the insightful INFJ that you are 😄 if you have any theories about how the cognitive functions developed, I think it would be extremely useful. If we could identify the how's, we could perhaps get to the root of the why people behave the way they do, and be able to provide better and more accurate help or direction, anyway food for thought... Thank you for replying to my comment, it made my day 🙃
@@JoyceMeng22Good way to put it. Ni doms also anticipate certain contingencies for which improvisation won't provide an adequate solution "in the moment"
Thank you for mentioning the Cassandra Effect. That makes me feel seen and acknowledged. Where I think we're most misunderstood by other MBTI folk is to do with our Te, and mixing it up with Si + Te style dynamics. So... 1. Our relationship to Te is strongly over-emphasised. Even experienced MBTI folk keep making this mistake, particularly when they think we love rules and protocol. We're Ni dominant, not Te dominant, and our other functions often oppose Te's dynamics. Personally, Ni, Fi, and Se are all functions I can happily relate to, but my relationship to my own Te can be contentious. I generally can't stand Te dominance in others, but I'm good at Te tasks. It's a side of myself I don't like very much, as once "Te mode" is engaged (which takes a lot of energy to get started, by the way), I can be a serious jerk to other people. Although I strongly relate to "Thinking", in my own internal world my preference is right in the middle, sometimes even more in favour of Ti. But when a tricky situation comes suddenly and out of nowhere, it's always Te that comes to the rescue. I'm not obsessed with efficiency, I just don't have much energy and can't waste it all the time. 2. We don't "plan" in the way you think. I believe this may be an issue of semantics, but I think we're being stumbled by using the English words "plan" and "planning" in the same way they're used for Si + Te types. I've seen MBTI memes where they think that we would want to lay out a written itinerary for our holidays -- I find that idea absolutely repulsive. In fact, I don't even like making lists unless I *really* have to. Our "planning" is more sequencing and future vision, and is much more dynamic and changeable than a strict Si + Te plan. We're not really "planning" for the future, as an Si user might understand it, but rather our heads are kind of stuck in the future by default. When I bring those extra pieces of equipment to an event, I haven't thought about what kind of event it is and then brought extra equipment based on that idea. Rather, my head is already _at_ the event, simulating what it's like. As my head is in the scenario, a certain problem popped up, so I grabbed that extra piece of equipment because that's what I needed in the mental simulation that just happens to us, regardless of our will.
@@Itsmesmileyface Yes, I'm male (I'm called John 😜). Hehe. The first thing you should know is that most INTJs aren't INTJs. The tests are essentially useless when it comes to reliability, and were never meant to be used on their own, but are meant to give a vague point in the general direction of cognitive preferences, which are then interpreted by a trained professional. I think the cultural setting is highly important. Nathan Glass (from the Love Who channel) made an interesting observation, saying that in ancient times, INTJs probably would have been the shamans of the village. I guess that would be split between INTJs and INFJs, both of which would be either the shamans or the oracles. I say this because our scientific and/or rational side is a bit misunderstood, and I think this goes well with your final sentence there, which I agree with. There seems to be this idea that INTJs are all atheists, but it's really not the case. Personally, I'm religious -- in the traditional sense -- though my internal viewpoints are very heretical and probably wouldn't fit within *any* category. I remember seeing a video with an INTJ priest once, who was living off-grid in the mountains in an old building, and it was a really interesting blend of spiritual and technological. You've gotta remember (and I think you're alluding to it anyway) that of all the functions, Ni is the weirdest and the spookiest. I can't help but wonder if the prophets down through the millennia, such as in the bible, were Ni dominant. Personally, I've had a number of spontaneous visions, and non-drug induced altered states of consciousness that would historically be classified as religious visions and/or revelations. I'm 39 now, and looking back, whenever I was unhappy and had a kind of permanent low-level headache, it was when I was leaning on my Te. And when I have been leaning on my Te, that's usually when people found me the hardest to get on with. The pull of pure rationalism and external effectiveness is very seductive. That's not to say those things are bad, but over the last few years, I've learned that it's best used as a tool -- something that can be picked up then put away -- rather than a primary motivator. Don't suppress by any means, it's a gift, but keep it in its proper place. I heard one INTJ say you'll be happier if you lean on your Ni instead, and I totally agree with that. Nowadays I find it's better to think of yourself as a murky floating pool of Ni + Fi + Se, that uses Te to get stuff done in the outside world. But this inky black primordial world of the unconscious is where our mind wants to really sit and reflect. In terms of using Ni more effectively, it's all about using unconscious processing. (Note: that's *unconscious*, not "subconscious", which is a misnomer that has done a lot of damage to the public's understanding of the psyche. Jung and Freud both wrote lengthy rants about this!) As a writer, it's my primary tool. I start by typing out whatever I can, with maybe some notes and a bit of structure, until it feels like my head has filled up with electric snot and I step away. Then I go for a walk (preferably somewhere with a lot of nature and epic views) and the rest of the article just comes to me out of nowhere -- like I'm in a cinema watching it play out on the big screen -- and I just do my best to mentally record what I see. Se escape is a great way to let the unconscious process things that are overwhelming you in general, and bring back a feeling of homeostasis.
@@johnknight9150 Yes. It depends on how you define planning. Actual literal planning with lists and concrete items is more Si. The kind of planning I do is simulating a future reality I see emerging - which you could classify as mental planning.
@@JoyceMeng22 Yeah, sounds the same. I actually find Si-style planning very off-putting -- almost like my body rejects it -- and only really do it when I need to take something extremely seriously and put my grown-up pants on.
When unhealthy I’m (INTJ) externally judgmental (pessimistic) and have no patience. On top of that I become a hermit out of boredom towards people and lack of intellectual or creative interactions from society.
I agree that the planning skills of INTJs are one of the most misunderstood features of this type. Planning ahead and figuring everything out before a potential negative event happens means saving a lot of mental and physical energy. Many times, people see it as 'preemptively worrying in an anxious and unnecessary way,' but it actually feels like a reassuring 'prevention is better than the cure' kind of approach. It makes you confident and relaxed. Moreover, plans can be reused multiple times. Once you've figured out how to address a certain situation and what to expect from it, the next time you'll know exactly what to do and will have less or nothing to think about. Yet, you'll still be prepared for any inconvenience. BTW, very interesting video, thank you guys!
I honestly thought Michael was forgotten too and see where he got that. Don't worry Michael, you're in solidarity with a looooot of people that Ni unfortunately backfires on once in a while LOL ✊️😔💀
Michael's introduction is classic INTJ stereotype. I love it. Yes, conversation with me, even casual small talk, usually turns into a consultation or mini lecture eventually if the conversation turns towards something I know a lot about. People often end a conversation with me by thanking me for teaching them something or giving them good advice. What Melissa and Michael said about anxiety is right on. We seem stoic and calm but we are rapidly, almost constantly planning ahead or preparing for potentialities. I saw a tshirt years ago that I related to that had a Windows dialog box that said "Processing... please wait". I know what Chris means. I've already figured out what needs to happen to solve the oriblem before my wife is done talking about hiw she feels about the problem. I like Chris's paint by numbers analogy. I've tried painting them exactly as the instructions say, then look at it as it dries deciding what I didnt like about it. Once it dried, I would repaint it my own way so that I liked it better. I often read directions or rules sets and come up with what I think are better ways. I will sometimes rewrite tabletop game rules even. I know what Chris means by having always felt fundamentally different growing up. I've come to learn that it was because I was not only an INTJ, but also autistic and visually impared by weak eye muscles. I was the skinny, socially awkward, quiet nerd who was terrible at sports, disinterested in what my peers liked, etc. Yes, I am often trying so hard to prepare emotionally, intellectually, etc that Im not in the moment until the moment Ive been preparing for arrives, then Im ready, focused and sometimes more aware of whats happening than others are. I've had friends who have described it like Im a classic comic book superhero. Most of the time, Im nerdy and awkward like Peter Parker or seemingly aloof and disinterested in daily life like Bruce Wayne. But then when Im really needed and no one else can help, I transform into a super version of myself who has the solution no one could come up with, spot the cause of the problem everyone else missed, fix the thing they were ready to throw out, etc. Once the big crisis is over, Im my alter ego again.
As an Ni dom, I generally enjoy the company of Se doms. However, have been butting heads with them about the whole "plan ahead" thing forever. Even many adult Se doms with years of experience refuse to acknowledge that planning ahead has value.
How they talk about Ni being offended by people thinking they didnt plan reminds me of how I can get offended/impatient when someone questions my Ti. Sometimes Ill answer with: "No I have thought for a very long time about this and what I just said is correct" - ENTP
Thank Michael for this amazing moment 🤣💙1:02 Happen to me too when I am not sure if it's my turn to speak or not. Thank for sharing this great content and guests for putting words on our functioning. I like "The Architect" and "The Visionary" words for INTJ. Thank Chris for mentioning, our "fun" is not the same "fun" as the majority. It's one of the biggest trait why we are misunderstood. Somewhere Ni 1st & Fe 7th, make us double misunderstood. Another perception of the world.
I totally agree with the distaste for “Mastermind” I much prefer “the Architect.” It gets across the same trait of planning and always building, thinking systematically, but it’s humbler. INTJs in fiction are often these absurdly cool characters (doubly so for anime lol), but INTJs are usually pretty dorky in real life lol especially when they’re young
@@tomhato5523 But it's name shuffling. INTPs were the original so called architects. Now they're goofy logicians, rather than logisticians. So much clearer, eh?
Sometimes I've had a hard time relating to other INTJs in videos like these but for this video I felt like they were describing me when talking about themselves.
I think people misinterpret the "death stare" as judgemental or emotionless but it's simply us processing. We're systems thinkers so we need to calibrate new information on multiple levels to get a "bigger picture." When I'm critical, it's more of "systems" than individuals. However, I need to point out that most of us are pretty perceptive and emotionally intelligent so we're responsive to people in social situations--until we become overwhelmed (too much information) and phase out. As for planning, sometimes I like to be spontaneous. I don't like too much planning because I love discovery. Much depends on the individual philosophy of the INTJ and their unique character. We're flexible thinkers.
@9:54 Melissa is right. I didn't think we actually make it up, but we get an "impression" of what will be going on, and use that as reference. It's just something in my gut that informs me of the situation (even though I have no experience with that situation), and then the thinking takes over formulating plans.
Also @13:48: lol. Exactly! Like, when I need to walk from one end of the house to the other, I just instantly know what I can accomplish on that walk: Pick up shoes in hall & deliver to door. Bring sheets & deposit at linen closet. Close side door. etc. That walk becomes instantly productive in other ways, even though I was just going to check the mail. That type of thing. It's no effort, not conscious planning, it just happens (like I instantly chess board it & see everything at once).
Very interesting how Joyce, you manage to essentially boil down INTJ social issues to energy management. I think you're really on to something. I've always likened Ni/Te with very strong Fi to something like a quantum computer, but we only have Windows '98 RAM (low Se) to run it LOL
Then a massive misconception about INTJs is that they are capable of absolutely everything; that unlike other personality types, INTJs have no limits. It is impossible to not have limits.
I agreed that the INTJ is that type that get misunderstood a lot. I can tell you that someone whom has met true INTJ’s in real life, they are actually have this inner soft core that are capable of feeling deep underneath their apparent robot shell. INTJ’s also don’t door slam like the way most of us think. The door slammers are mostly mistyped ISFP’s and INFJ’s. My ISTP 2nd oldest brother with no shame would waltz in, in a room full of INTJ’s and INTP’s and fart! Lol 😂
Another great interview. Thank you! At 11:06 Melissa talks about an anxiety for planing a wedding for her daughter. I see this as what she needs to “consider” instead of “an anxiety”. Because I really don’t see an INTJ stressed when planing ahead. In the foreseeable future. The weather, the venue, even who will be likely to act up or get drunk, Is what an INTJ likely to consider naturally. Even though it might confused other people as an over thinking out of fear and stress.
I think INTJs have the 'cutest Fi' out of all the types. INTJs are obviously not 'always in their feelings,' but there's this perceivable Fi cloud surrounding them, in my experience.
That third slot Fi is the true secret to the INTJ. Very often it is actually our primary motivation. In the steam engine of the psyche, Fi is our fire that powers it.
@@Itsmesmileyface Well, I wouldn't go that far -- I'm a grumpy old man and proud of it! ;-) I'd liken my Fi more to an idealistic boy hero character. He's naïve, but a strong romantic that refuses to quit.
@@Itsmesmileyface ISFPs are worth the effort. Daria's relationship to Jane and Trent (if Daria isn't an outdated reference by now!), who IMO are both ISFPs, is a good example. Don't forget their third slot Ni, which in that position has a "cosmic" quality to it. Third slot functions are in theory especially attractive to other types -- we have their Fi, they have our Ni. If you can push through the challenge, the dynamics are especially rewarding. My first girlfriend was ISFP, and those are qualities I can appreciate much more so now. INFPs are "easier" in the short term, but ISFPs may push you where you need to be. Some weeks I would swear blindly that _I'm_ an ISFP, but it would only be a week after I joined their hippy commune that I would start re-arranging their wifi network and upgrading all the tech in the camp! ;-)
All this talk about planning! I was intrigued by Chris coming off as being fairly flexible, Melissa quite inflexible and Michael maybe somewhere in the middle. Are INTJ’s control freaks or is that more a reflection of my own type?
As an oil painter I always dream first before I even start planning to make a plan. But no matter how much you simulate in your head it always comes out differently on the canvas (Se). Plans are only so good, you have to let go and only then can beauty arise from chaos
One of the comments I'm annoyed by when I do have an on-the-spot, thorough response to something is 'wow, you've really put a lot of thought into that', almost sarcastically, like they are confused their question didn't give me much pause. Actually, I probably haven't thought about it the way they'd posed the question, if any way. I've probably had exposure to similar enough separate parts of what was said, I just string together what sounds like a complex, well thought out answer, but it's pieces of answers from other problems. However, whatever my response is *feels* like it should be common sense, and I'm a little embarrassed by the fact someone sees it as a *deep* thought from mfe.
Just when I thought I'm an ISTJ and maybe not INTJ.. you get me confused with this 😅 I relate to everything said in this video related to planning.. I even thought once that I could be an INTP because I don’t like to "solidify" a plan like Chris said.. and my plans are more like concepts rather than laid down step by step processes that I must follow. A plan gets constantly "updated" and every plan I've made a few days ago feels like an outdated one 😅 I do this with everything because I like the freedom of changing it based on circumstances or if I think of a more efficient way or a better idea for any of the steps. This is why I also don’t like making a to-do list for each day unless it’s a very busy day and I don’t want to forget something. And when starting a new project I like to write down a list of things that must get done, but I find it more fun to jump from one step to another if I feel it would be better, just work on what I feel would be best to work on today, based on how it’s going so far. I don’t want to say I follow my "intuition", because I'm not sure if that’s intuition maybe it’s something else? Like sometimes even I myself don’t know the exact plan, I just get along with it, map out something abstract in my head. I find it boring to follow an actual written down plan, I feel like my plan (for whatever it is) gets updated a few times a day. So I can’t just write down a plan and follow it cause I always constantly improve my "plans" in my head, or I just get new information and that automatically improves the plan, I could never just follow a step by step plan for any project. I will jump from one step to the fourth one just for fun and if it feels like it would be better that way for the whole project. Does that make any sense? Would an ISTJ relate to this?
ISTJs do all of these things too! Si runs a detailed simulation of what might happen and concretely plans for the situation, which sounds a lot like what is covered in this video.
Melissa said if someone changes step XYZ (I don't remember which numbers she said) it will mess up step XYZ later. And i was thinking the reason that I don't think to share the plan is because I need to be able to adjust it on the fly. I was happy to hear Asura has the same sentiment. However, later she said that she had a concept of a clean house and it's not actual steps. My wife says that i change back and forth on what i say. She's an ENFP and I'm an INTJ. I do not believe i flip flop on these things. However, after listening to Melissa, I see how she can believe this. As an INTJ I do not believe Melissa's comments to be contradictory. She was using steps earlier as a conceptual example to say that she didn't want others to change her plan, so not sharing it will prevent it. Later she explained this by stating that her plan for cleaning the house was conceptual and that she doesn't mean actual steps like instructions. I understand know why my wife believes I change back and forth and I don't. I will need to be more mindful in how I communicate with her but I am not sure that's fully possible, as my communication is how my mind works and describes my inner world and thoughts. What i see as further explanation and details, she sees as contradictory. This gives me a lot to think about lol.
Thank you very much Joyce for pointing out that a lot of intj (I being one ) who read the description or heard other take on intj I get confuse if I am a intj. How I finally came to the conclusion that I am a intj was studying each cognitive function separately and watch how my mind truly act in the cognitive functions. What really cinched the matter for me was the difference between fi and ti. My fi was highly influenced by my mother dominant fe function, so deep core value is “do unto other as you want other to do unto you. My te is almost as secondhand nature as introvert intuition. See the possibility, and executing the plan and getting it done, preferably by myself, other people involvement just get in the way, or slow the process down. May you always continue bring forth positive informative podcast
I think I might be an EP (not sure), and I love you guys. You are so adorable ❤. And you are allowed to have fun too, you know. Sometimes I think you gotta outsource the responsibility to others to make sure that you have some pockets of fun. You of all deserve it ❤. And I think that if your spouse (or whoever you outsource the responsibility to) don't execute perfectly according to you, you have to learn to let is pass, because you have to relax and have some fun you guys.
@ 30:32 melissa is so right. Its not that we are inflexible but don't go changing things at the last minute unnecessarily. That's annoying, and ppl make it seem like we are the problem when we decide that we dont want to change things.
Michael is experiencing 5 in stress and I recognize that. Also i thought it was funny when Asura and I both named 5, “Visionary” at the same time. It’s a much better name. Mastermind serves to fuel the supervillain stereotype.
Do you know what happened to Michael's RU-vid video on introverted intuition? It was maybe the best description I've ever found, but I can't find it anymore. The @Countertype channel seems empty now. Anyway, keep up the great videos Joyce, thanks!
Asura's micro grin the next time Michael steps out after explaining the tension situation is classic for INTJ. Is this the equivalent of 'jumping for joy' at understanding something obscure?
Just another thought, ones being a particular mbti type is just as unique as our DNA and fingerprints. At the core of type is just the break down of understanding of how your mind work in the different cognitive functions. Comparing and one’s own perfection tendency can cause havoc in trying to figure out one’s type
I think we can really learn allot from INTJ'S in planning and contingences as an INTP things can be chaotic when we're not planning but just going with the flow I would like to be somewhat organized and have a plan but I think INTJ'S want an itinerary I was asked as to whether that was necessary because the person I went out today with wanted to make an Itinerary and I said let's just discuss it and have sort of a rough copy of what we wanted to do this very day. Although planning a trip was mentioned a couple days ago so the person I went on a trip with wanted it to be very organized and I'm just thinking as I go or on my feet we're total opposites but I think meeting in the middle is a good way to live it's a win win situation .
This was interesting, I related to the taking into account what others are not because it would cause trouble down the line, though it only happens in the immediate and in short bursts of relevance. I enjoyed the video, it helped me understand my sister better
I’m curious if INTJs would still be grumpy cat vampires if the world was a better place. I feel like I’m just hyper aware of objective reality in a world where everyone seems keyed to their personal delusions
Melissa and I must be polar opposite INTJs because everything she describes sounds like she's in an extremely emotional state of mind where people have to tip toe around her. Im extremely cool headed and understanding.
It will be, but it's not the same "planning" that Si users would understand. Our heads are just wired to think in the future, placing ourselves in the future scenario. It's a kind of simulation that just plays out whether we want it to or not (it can be very disruptive). Making out lists and itineraries isn't our thing. Rather, we just keep adapting the present to adjust to the vision of the future.
A plan that's a filler in your mind: Isn't that almost like a placeholder plan. Let's just make a rough plan for a placeholder and then refine it later. Isn't it almost like that?
i have a feeling that since the VAST MAJORITY of people out there are sensors, and INTJs ABSOLUTELY ARE perhaps THE MOST intuitive type there is of ALL intuitives, THAT VERY PROBABLY IS what creates the MASSIVE rift between us and most other people out there. hence, that VERY LIKELY IS also where the 'mastermind' moniker (which, as it makes us seem inherently 'superior' to most, i ABSOLUTELY HATE) stems from. just a guesstimation, im thinking... THATS ALL. ABSOLUTELY. FOR SURE. - INTJ
Just to give a light on you guys on Socionics, INTJs on Socionics can only be three types: INTJ LII - The Bookworm INTJ INTJ ILI - The Niihilistic INTJ INTJ LSI - The Troublemaker INTJ
Nope, I don’t believe it. You all are stuck like that… you made faces of contempt for too long as children. 😮😊 I’m kidding hi Joyce and Michael! Hi Chris and the amazing female INTJ Melissa. Well, what’s odd is that I’ve always known whom the INTJs were, since we would observe the same things…like l, we were watching the people like they were tv and then make eye contact and be like, see, I knew that would happen. Although, the lack of fe made most of those interactions in early life like what the? Why are we the only ones tracking the world this way and also we have nothing else in common. Now, I know that other intuitives do that observing thing and for different reasons and also, there have been enough times where the ixxjs and I will find the solution, or track the end result of things at the same time… I just used my Ne to get there. I’d say that we both look out to the future mine just feels more like a running almost like stock market ticker, or like putting a bunch of quarters on one of those centripetal force measurement spinning plastic funnels and I’m watching all of the quarters to see which one ends up going flat first. The INTJ feels like “Tron” to me and zipping along a laser track closing into the maze’s answer. But the format of looking for the best outcome, the most likely outcome, or even the necessary outcome is the same. It’s almost like we are ethically debating how history works all of the time and trying to make the best of our time. I’d say that the main difference between ExFPs and INTJs ok ENFPs and INTJs is that for the INTJ, time is a sand hourglass and each grain of sand matters. For the ENFP, time is the speed of light and when it refracts into a spectrum, we’ve optimized it. But, we both see time the same. We know it’s limited and also limitless. It’s reducing and expanding always. We feel the metaphysics and it’s difficult to disconnect from it for nonsense like whose on whose team. Nobody is on a team, we are all locked into this track and can’t get out, so now what… seems to be the Hamlet dilemma of all observers everywhere and in all time. I mean whoops tanget… what you said the exxps think that the INTJs are just limiting our fun 😂s. Not even close, we know they are right, we are just running a different race backwards and in a million different directions to outwit time. 😊
I am confused why ENTP's and INTJ's are suppose to go well togethher when INTJ's despise chaos whereas me an ENTP loves chaos and I even enjoy causing it 🤣
Hello, @Joyce Meng. Hello, INTJ's. Te*rrific conversations, Thanks. 15:03 Keirsey's Please Understand Me2. @Michael Pierce, you could be the younger brother of another, an INTJ I knew back when, who I think is/was an INTJ. And you look rather like Al, from INTJ Island. @AsuraPsych, you always impress me with your ni*sights. "The opposite of high-tech speech is small talk, a way of communicating in which Rationals are notoriously disinterested. In Shaw's play Pygmalion, Professor Higgins' mother has learned not to let her famous NT son meet her high society friends: MRS. HIGGINS: •• .I'm serious, Henry. You offend all my friends: they stop coming whenever they meet you. HIGGINS: Nonsense! I know I have no small talk; but people don't mind. MRS. HIGGINS: Oh! Don't they? Small talk indeed! What about your large talk? .. Henry: you are the life of the Royal Society [of Science]; but really you're rather trying on more commonplace occasions. Rationals prefer to appear unemotional when they communicate (and they can seem rather stiff), trying to minimize body-language, facial expression, and other non-verbal qualifiers as much as possible. But when they become animated their characteristic hand gestures express their need for precision and control. NTs will make one or both hands into claws or talons, as if to seize the idea they are discussing. They will also bend their fingers and grasp the space in front of them, turning and shaping their ideas in the air. They will use their fingers like a calculator, ticking off point after point, and they will take small objects at hand (salt and pepper shakers, pens and paper weights) and arrange them on a table or desk to help map out their ideas. But perhaps the most telling gesture of all is the apposition of the thumb against the finger tips, as if the NT is bringing an idea or an argument to the finest possible point and is savoring the precision."
25:00 Masterminds. "We imagine the villains of history as masterminds of horror. This happens because we learn about them from history books, which weave narratives that retrospectively imbue events with logic, making them seem predetermined. Historians and their readers bring an unavoidable perception bias to the story: if a historical event caused shocking destruction, then the person behind this event must have been a correspondingly giant monster. Terrifying as it is to contemplate the catastrophes of the twentieth century, it would be even more frightening to imagine that humanity had stumbled unthinkingly into its darkest moments. But a reading of contemporaneous accounts will show that both Hitler and Stalin struck many of their countrymen as men of limited ability, education, and imagination-and, indeed, as being incompetent in government and military leadership. Contrary to popular wisdom, they were not political savants, possessed of one extraordinary talent that brought them to power. It was, rather, the blunt instrument of reassuring ignorance that propelled their rise in a frighteningly complex world." - Masha Gessen (Surviving Autocracy) Masterminds, si*gh 🖖
@@clearwater1686 "And the same things look bent and straight when seen in water and out of it, and also both concave and convex, due to the sight’s being mislead by the colors, and every sort of confusion of this kind is plainly in our soul. And, then, it is because they take advantage of this affection in our nature that shadow painting, and puppeteering, and many other tricks of the kind fall nothing short of wizardry." - Socrates
melissa is so isfj that it hurts. the guys were quite bored because of her long sentences with very little content that aren't even slightly intuitive, her constant smile, her constantly repeating that she has a very rigid thinking... and sometimes she's messy in an intj manner for example one time she had 14 unread emails i mean what a mess!! ugh this was painful
I don’t think Melissa is an ISFJ. Michael and I were actually her students at one point, as she is the certification instructor at Personality Hacker. 😅 Sure, the examples she supplied apply for SJ types too, but they are also common of all IJ types with dominant Introverted Perceiving (Ni & Si) and inferior Extraverted Perceiving (Ne & Se). They have a need to anticipate and prevent chaos, so they don’t have to adapt and improvise on the fly. Especially with Te, there is a desire to order your environment in a logical fashion.
