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Same. I appreciate mathematics and know it's importance. I just figure it's a computers job not creative enough for me. It doesn't seem big picture enough.
Here’s the analogy: INTP would spend effort to learn a fictional language like Elvish from the lord of the rings universe despite it having no practical use.
Is this true? I'm about efficiency I wouldn't waste energy on a useless language, the reason most INTPs learn all kinds of seemingly useless information is because we are data hoarders and think it might be useful in the future to link different pieces of information together. Do you know how many computers problems have been solved by studying biology or animals for instance?
The INTJ needs the loyalty, patience and love of low-level detail of the INTP. We exist to put INTJs at ease and help them accomplish their goals. The INTP needs the strategy, discipline and big-picture perspective the INTJ. They exist to snap us out of apathy and actually use our capabilities effectively. As an INTP, my eyes light up when my INTJ friend has a plan. It really is a synergy where the whole accomplishes more than the sum of the parts would; we know we can bring the best out of each other. My INTJ friend far surpasses anyone else in ability to motivate me; therefore, she is my priority.
that's like INTJ vs. ISTJ (who do tend to appreciate one another, at least as acquaintances, colleagues etc.). INTP is big-picture and not detail-oriented really at all (think Einstein, whose theories were about the entire universe)
I'm an INTP with an INTJ husband and we own a business together. Both of us bring different strengths and weaknesses to the table, and we work hard to complement each other. He's my best friend, and we have the best conversations together. Before we married, his brother realized that we were talking for an average of 2-4 hours per day, and became concerned that we might run out of things to talk about. Hasn't happened yet, and he's still my favorite person to spend time with.
An INTP would read the entire paragraph just for the sake of knowing what it says and an INTJ would read until they find the answer of what they want to know.
Agreed. But then the unhealthy INTJ totally misses fundamental information that they otherwise would have learned in the writing or from others that ends up preventing them from reaching their goal. Unhealthy INTJs have so much lost potential based on this one thing.
I'm an INTP and I hate reading. My INTJ dad always sends me articles and I may read the first paragraph. I send him RU-vid videos and find that it's hit or miss if he watched them. So, I can't really agree with your statement. If I'm interested in something I typically learn everything I can about it though. I'm pretty sure that's what your point was.
I'm an extreme INTP, and my wife is an INTJ. She calls me her database. She said my information is usually pre-analyzed and delivered in neater, easier to process packets than a google query. The only problem is that I tend to deliver all the related data I have, along with the information she requested for the purpose of giving that information context. That annoys her for obvious reasons. "I didn't need all that other information!". She just wants a straight answer to her question, but I can't help but dump all the data I have on the subject after giving her the information she asked for.
Funny, I (INTJ woman) actually like the data dumping because it REALLY gets me Ti-thinking (logically sorting/categorising/labelling). Sure, doing this can take a toll on my overall mental energy (I couldn't listen on for more than 15mins at a time), but it ultimately makes me *even better* at coming up with solutions to potential/future problems independently. Now, if that isn't the perfect path of growth for INTJs, I really wonder what is. :)
@@nachannachle2706 True, but we're all products of our upbringing. I was a gifted child who was fortunate enough to grow up with very smart and supportive parents who indulged my every curious interest. I mean, how many parents give their 10 year old kid a soldering iron, a roll of lead, and an electronic schematic book for Christmas after he nearly started a fire and blew a fuse trying to convert an acoustic guitar into an electric one with parts from an old radio? I was always told that there was nothing beyond my scope of understanding, if only I applied myself to learning it. I dove head first into every subject that peaked my curiosity, always believing that. I finally settled on programming as my life long passion, but not before my father, who was a true renaissance man, insisted that I learn a few trades to fall back on. He ran a construction company, so I grew up on construction sites, learning several trades along the way. I can still recite building codes from memory. I also learned several trades on my own, just out of personal interest. My mother was a strong woman who worked her way to an executive position in the commercial advertising industry, and the education of her children was always the most important thing to her. My wife's upbringing, in contrast, was not so supportive. After high school, she was told by her mother that the only thing for her now was to find a man, get married, and have kids. She's highly intelligent, however, when I met her, she wasn't as confident in herself as she should have been. It's taken years for her to realize that her mother was not the greatest of parents, and her gifts should have been better nurtured and cultivated. The truth is, her intelligence, among other things, is what attracted me to her. When she asks me to teach her something, I always drop everything I'm doing to share everything I know with her, but I tend to go off on long tangents that start with the basics of how a processor works for example (which is all she wanted to know), and somehow, an hour later, I'm talking about the history of integrated circuitry, and its impact on the modern age. I think it just burns her out, and there's so much more to learn.
@@kevsvids1000 Hm. Sounds like you are great at what you KNOW, but not so good at TEACHING it. There is scope for growth for you in that area. Listen to the learner, always, because they are the ones who makes you a teacher. So, if she asks for info about something, don't roll it all out on her for more than 10+ mins. Start small, allow her to build her intellectual muscle, then keep adding more and more info AS TIME GOES BY. She will appreciate you breaking your knowledge down for her to digest, and she will have the opportunity to think for herself and get back to you with some questions of her own. FYI: the first time I met my INTP friend and he got carried away trying to teach me EVERYTHING about his passion (fossils). I point blank told him that I didn't know "he was a mad scientist". That got him thinking but afterwards he made some conscientious effort to slow things down in discussions. Essentially, he LEARNT to take into account the way I learn/communicate. 4 years later, we are good as gold now and quasi-perfectly in sync; although sometimes, I wander into big picture musings too much meanwhile he wants to stick to the details of what we are discussing. Essentially, it is ALWAYS worth remembering that people do not think/perceive things like you. So ALWAYS make an effort to meet them in the middle! All the best! :)
Wow I can relate that sooo much. I say exactly same thing as INTJ to my INTp husband😂 “I only asked this particular question…” but I can’t deny that his brilliant.
I'm an INTJ with an INTP boyfriend and it's the best. You are spot on when you mention knowing the info is from a good source. I think for INTJ this eliminates some of the necessary skepticism when listening to someone else's "facts" because you know INTP did more than adequate research and is very skeptical themselves. The info has to pass the smell test. Basically, for INTJ this eliminates a step and that's always pleasing. When I'm not feeling well or don't feel like having a conversation but want to be with INTP, I ask him to tell me about whatever he wants for as long as he likes. Once he told me about hurricane category scale for 30 minutes and it was so relaxing. I know your video isn't about romantic relationships but here is a list anyways: 1. I love that Ne is my blind spot and that when we're looking for solutions, he will come up with this idea that I hadn't even considered because it's kinda wild/out of left field. I'll say, "ok that's kinda crazy but actually I think if we tweak a few things, it's doable." 2. I love how Ti does a lot of the, dare I say, "leg work" and I can just cherry pick the info I need. This sounds lazy but I am a lazy INTJ. Literally there are times I've said, "have you ever looked into _____" and he'll say, "no!" and start googling and I just wait for him to give me a report. 3. Emotionally very low-maintenance but still receptive to issues. Gives us time for more interesting things. 4. He is always game for something new so I drag him all over. He'll give most things a chance. 5. He is fine with me running the show (but I never treat him like his perspective doesn't matter) and is fine that I'm very independent (and sort of a hermit). 6. I can debate him with claws out and no one is weeping or defensive. It's very satisfying. Obviously, we have our rules of engagement but there are very few. 7. Mutual appreciation of whiteboards. We have several throughout the apt. Thank you for this video. I appreciate the stream of consciousness style breakdown.
I'm very happy for you ! as an INTJs myself i can see that you just discover the INTJs paradise. All you describe is what i was looking for in my wife for a decade. Now i see how far i'm for the beautyfull island. only a single missplaced letter change everything. I'm stuck in the opposite ( INFP). it is just too boring : 1__ Always on the defensive 2__ Require a lot of maintenance (so much needs) 3__ Too sensitive and unstable 4__ unpractical 5__ Not very drive toward logic and knowledge
I'm also an INTJ with an INTP boyfriend. I can vouch for this list. My INTP is ever curious and, while I don't stop him from seeing what that thing in the empty field is, I don't go with him to find out that it's a slipper (true story, actually). He is able to pull me out of my normal comfort zone because of his desire to get out there and explore far more often than I do. And yes, he's my info sponge. I know I can trust his information, because he is so critical and looks into everything so thoroughly. In turn, he makes me a better critical thinker. Sometimes I'll tell him I saw a headline, and he instantly gets all critical about it and points out how it can be twisted and that it might not really mean how it sounds. I've learned to see that easier, and also will tell him, I just thought it was an interesting headline, that's the extent of it. I can be a sponge, but it can be a much slower process than the INTP's, depending on my level of interest in the subject.
@@DaughterOfLilith08 interesting choice of name. I got into birth chart reading stuff few months ago and mine had Lilith Scorpio something. I know zodiac is bullshit but the description of Lilith was new and fascinating for me. I have a feeling you know more about it. Totally irrelevant to the video and your comment but I would love to know it from you. Curious intp 😂.
INTJ and INTP can really make a ridiculous accomplished pairing. Yet on flip side of the same coin It could also be an Unstoppable force meets an immovable object.
I have always felt that INTJ's have the most use for my information as an INTP myself... they immediately start asking the relevant questions (which makes me less likely to go on a tangent), and then they seem to have something they want out of the information. I also feel INTJ's are more like the "more organized version of myself", like if I had an INTJ to help organize my thoughts I would 100% be more effective. I think maybe INTJ's might feel like INTP's can help broaden their perspectives. INTJ's delve more deeply into topics and get ALL the information about one particular topic while INTP's tend to grasp all the connections between other topics that can have relevance to a topic, and when an INTP talk to an INTJ, the INTJ tends to go "oh, I never thought of this other topic as ever being applicable to my topic, what info do you have on it?" INTP's when we get info from INTJ's we feel like a kid going to school... the INTJ is like the EXPERT of a topic, and is happy to teach if you're willing to learn... and INTP's are Very very willing to learn... and seldom finds people who can actually TEACH them new things. So that is the synergy that I find.
I'm an INTP engineer and my husband is an INTJ medical doctor. We have whiteboard nights where he will teach me about something he is learning and I'm like the nerdy kid in class who asks all the questions and it helps him concretely learn a subject. He is always surprised about the random topics I know a ton about for someone who did not go to school for it or pertain to my profession. He is also consistently surprised about the relationships I know between systems and the real life implications of them. He will step back and be like.. yes that's right and will haze out for a second thinking about it because he never really thought about the translation/connection into the physical world. He likes to have me around for brainstorming his ideas but hes not as fond of brainstorming my ideas lol. He doesnt like talking about fascinating subject (at least fascinating to me) just for the sake of it like I do. He is also straight up with me when I start getting distracted and losing focus. So he helps me get back on track. I think we balance each other very well and we both respect each others space and alone time. We also respect each others differences and hes one of the only people in my life that I honestly dont feel typical "societal judgement" from. Though, I will say that he has a tendency to be "my way or the highway" and that can be a challenge at times but we dont run into problems too often bc I mostly dont care and I am way more flexible. In the end, hes my person and we accept each other for who we are.
@@KelsoAM91 I like what you wrote on your relationship with your husband and yes I have dated some INTJs and it does sometimes feel it is their way or the highway... in fact I broke up over this with one girl who absolutely would not budge on any topic and I have to do all the compromising and adapting in the relationship... and when she complained that it feels like I am putting on a show or peacocking for her, it was the last straw.. she said she wanted everything to work between us without either of us feeling like we need to change or adapt... and it was at that moment I realized she had no idea that relationships take work and compromise and shes stuck on the "happily ever after" concept. I had some struggles too with INTJ guys who are friends... they will want to talk about topics that interest them with me because I have interesting responses and my brain will pick up on connections for them that they didnt see, BUT the rub is... when I rant they dont listen... they kinda go "oh no, not this again, time to hide" or some of the more mature INTJ's just ask "but how is that relevant?" Or sometimes they go... ok so you just talked about 5 topics in one breath... please tell me how this is related? I have to slow down and be more linear ... and actually it does help me keep things more organized... they also force me to be more concise. I just sometimes wish they could share in my wild easter egg hunt style mental explorations
As an INTJ who is dating an INTP he absolutely drives me insane. He has a constant need to be right about absolutely anything and I hate it when we argue because I know he’s right, he knows he’s right and he has this look. But I don’t trust anyone more with me and my future than I do him because I know he would never lie to me. So it’s 100% trust.
@@mariobros7834 Hey i'm INTP and my ENTP friend can drive me bonkers with his need to always be right and be the best in any and all conversations, doesn't help that I was the only one that challenged his ideas and busted his balls from time to time, but overall he understands me and I him in a way that I haven't had with my other friends.
You will both get over the need to "showcase your intelligence/IQ" and, once you have shared some good and bad feels, the hiccups will all be sorted. :) I agree that radical INTP honesty/transparency makes them 100% trustworthy for INTJs.
This. My INTP friend and myself absolutely fall of the map for months of time without acknowledgement that one another exist with no criticism or questions when we return to a conversation. Literally he will call after no contact for 2 months, Dive 12 feet deep into a controversial topic and immediately I will begin to throw my 2¢ in like it never happened lol.
As an INTP I really love talking to INTJs. They have dedication in what they want to do and very much want to help everyone around them that want to learn... learn. That’s why I love talking to them I feel like I can just relax and listen to everything they have to say and maybe poke holes or analyze what they are saying. Especially the right INTJ. If you are an INTP like me and want some motivation just become friends with an INTJ. Best time of my learning life was having deep conversations with INTJs!!! Really I recommend. LMAOO you know your an INTP when you rewrite this 4 times because it sounded better in your head 😂
I’m an INTP and my best friend is an INTJ, we’re practically inseparable. INTPs need the discipline, focus, and practicality of INTJs to keep us from completely getting lost in our own worlds, being lazy, or just spending our lives on useless crap. I agree that they’re also an outlet for our crazy thoughts and conspiracies. I think INTJs need us because we can help them relax and learn to just enjoy themselves, we’re a great info source, and we can help them look at things from new perspectives. The only thing is that they don’t always get our jokes, but we have ENTPs for that. ENTPs also make great friends, cuz we share weird facts and also can just hang out and have fun.
As an INTJ, I find INTPs as the best resource for information because they go into depth, while I just want an abstract for a larger picture. I can figure things out that they can't, and they can know things better than I will ever understand, and I think that is a good balance, especially when we can work together towards a common goal.
I am an INTJ who has an INTP son. His father, my Himself is an ESTP. I like my son. We share music and can carry on very long abstract conversations. Both of us must be coaxed to go outside to play. Do you have children?
Kerriann, I want to hear your story 💕 from how you met, how long before you became dated (or just friends) to exclusive then official and then before you got married. how your relationship is like and such
As a INTP woman who comes from a family of INTJ and INTP women, a can say that our dinners and holidays are filled with TED talk kind of conversations.
My INTJ husband and I (INTP) have been married for almost 17 years. We met when we were 19 years old and married 8 months later. It’s been quite a journey. My husband is grounding for me and practical in his perspectives and I help him to embrace taking chances and stepping out of his comfort zones. We work VERY well together. We are each other’s favorite company. Our conversations have always been the glue that holds us together because we have always been able to have deep and amazing conversations about such a variety of topics. After 17 years and 7 kids, we still haven’t run out of things to discuss.
@Celty Sturluson hmm, let me see. First, I don’t want to give a false impression that things have always been sunshine and roses. We basically became adults together, for all intents and purposes. But, since we both have an anchored faith and belief in the importance of marital commitment, it helped us to dig in and do the work during the hardest times. When we first met, my husband was the most fascinating cute guy I’d met. He has room to grow, but a great mind and a good heart, imperfections included. We were able to talk about all kinds of things - philosophy, science, history, etc - and that was great. And, there was chemistry, which always helps. Those things have never left. There was always a mutual respect and admiration for each other’s minds that has helped us navigate life well. And, for me, a faith in God has been foundational for all of that. Favorite memory? Our walks. Simple nightly walks we’ve been doing for nearly a decade, with few seasons that we’ve missed them. Time to talk and just hold hands and walk slowly is my favorite time with him, always. No matter where it is.
I have 1 INTJ friend (I'm INTP): Although we don't spend a whole lot of time together (INTJs are very busy people :D) we are close friends and really enjoy each other's company when we meet. Why? After typing this comment for about an hour...I think I figured it out! here is my hypothesis: Being the only 2 types that are both NTs and also introverted, both tend to struggle a lot with -Sensors -Feelers -Extroverts ... And this happens to be the majority of the population. Therefore, both INTJs and INTPs often feel misunderstood. The 2 types share a lot in common, they can relate and understand each other. Because of this they feel at ease with one another and form strong friendships. :')
I agree that INT's have issues with the above cases, I would also consider that from us being so rare is it any wonder that we're misunderstood? A lot of what we understand is also common. Like the fact we're all breathing or that to we have senses. It's the same reason that the blind or those unable to feel pain are misunderstood, yes there are a lot of us but we are still rare. And on top of that our introversion prevents more interactions with us from happening making it even more difficult
@@jaimeflor4181 True although not the end of the rainbow. The INTJ's I've observed have all had detailed inner fantasies of intimacy. But yeah they love being alone so much that they dream about a connection closer than reason itself. All introverts need their time alone to regroup whether or not they love it is completely separate in my mind. Busy minds live busy lives yes - whether it's melancholic solitary moments or joyous relations the INTJ is primed to think about what they want both in of and for their future. One possibility that springs to mind posits that they could be thinking of the contrasting situation while in the initial one like a never ending pursuit/ adding constructively on an ever growing master-plan for the future they so desire
AC ♠ Editor There’s definitely a lot of future thinking and process going on. I’m an INFJ in a relationship with an INTJ, so I base a lot of my knowledge on the type through her. She always has the future in mind like I do, but in a more planned out action oriented approach.
There are two ways of looking at information: Analytically or Strategically. All INTs are good at both, but INTPs favors analysis, and INTJs favor strategy and its a left handed vs right handed thing. That kind of makes them the perfect sounding board for each other's ideas. INTPs want to analyze everything to get a "big picture" understanding of a topic. INTJs are quick to play "devils advocate" for your analysis which either forces you to abandon it, or change it to make it stronger. INTJs love coming up with "projects" to make something new, or better, or make more money, or build a universe for a fictional story they are writing. INTPs will quickly analyze the project or idea to determine if it is viable or not. The negative is that INTPs and INTJs can quickly get on each other's nerves. INTPs will see INTJs as "too argumentative" and INTJs will see INTPs as overthinking things too much.
@Celty Sturluson I do the deathstare myself as well. So thats no problem for me. I hope. I mean, from time to time I get scared from staring into my own eyes in the mirror. Fuck.
Love that this entire comment section has become either of the two (INTP or INTJs) sharing experiences with the other OR a prime example of us interacting amongst ourselves. Like a pool of examples.
I’m an INTJ (female) and my really close friend is an INTP (also female) and we spend a lot of time together. We also share A LOT of info with each other, not just facts, but about our days and lives as well. We go on massive tangents on random subjects (one of our most recent was about the Australian prime minister who went missing) and we just love it. But one thing I love about being friends with her is that one time we didn’t see each other for 3 days (bare in mind we live together) and when we did bump into each other in the kitchen we just continued our usual convos like it didn’t even happen. I would say that INTJs (at least some of us) also love learning for the sake of it. I love learning random little facts that I can share later but I also force myself to learn something if I know I need it so your bang on there.
I'm getting to know an INTP as a romantic partner, and I feel like we are so different (I'm an INTJ) but at the same time we arrive at the same conclusions, we both agree almost all the time about lots of topics and at the same time can disagree without building any tension, I feel like he's so special and that he understands the world and me in a deeper than usual way, I feel really connected to him in an almost unnatural way, like, when we talk, we are like, 3d talking, idk how to explain it, like, we hear each other literally and at the same time we read between the lines, and it's super weird, because I've never felt so understood, like we talk the same language idk, and I love his creativity and intelligence, and he says he loves my personality and insights, I feel like we complement each other so much
As an INTJ I feel like I can turn my back to an INTP knowing he won't stab me in the back, that alone is rare to find an any other type, it takes years for me to trust anyone, but the moment I open up I get betrayed, not INTPs though.
INTJ female, my partner is an INTP male. We get along so well. Perceptually, we make up where each other lacks. I have an ENTP shadow side, so I tend to handle the social situations. My partner's shadow side is an extremely unhealthy ENTJ, 100% full dictatorship. Being a Stoic, I find how he acts when he's stressed hilarious. It really keeps things interesting.
As an INTJ I think one of the key factors to the attraction to each other is our common goal that is truth. We are willing to look any which way for the most accurate conclusions, and that process is very distinct and most enjoyable between us. A lot of it is just mbti tho like we can be ourselves, for instance not talk for hours, and it feels normal unlike any other relationship.
Hi, I'm an INTJ and I have a few INTP friends. I wanted to add that INTPs are a lot more chill than me. I'm always like "I want to do that, I need to finish it quickly because otherwise I won't have time to do that other thing". But INTPs just don't care, they just want to work on something no matter the final goal. It doesn't matter if they don't finish projects. Also, working on something with an INTP is very instructive because I force them to work better or more efficiently and they force me to be more relax. We both need what the other gives so the relationship is very easy. Finally, I often underestimate INTPs by considering them as less efficient or less productive. But when I expect the least, they come up with brillant ideas and outstanding knowledge. This is what I'm looking for in people.
Me intp and my wife entp. Choose arguing each other as a hobby Me intp my brother intj. He always drop my stupid idea. And i always come up with the new one
@@dreamnovel3480 I'm INTP and my sister's ESFJ. (her) "Why can't I have a normal sister?", (me) "Why can't I have a weird sister who'd understand me?"! ; )
Yeah, I'm an INTJ married to an INTP. He doesn't overwhelm me with emotions, and we're both intelectual in our approach to the romance. We give each other a lot of space, trust, freedom and privacy. Like two planets around one star. And he won't invite anybody over to our place. ;)
I am a dyed in the wool INTP and my female counterpart of 4 years is a INTJ. Life in our household is far from a typical domestic situation. The most prolific thing we do together is talk. on weeknights we talk through each of our days for probably 2-3 hours a night while we are doing household activities like dinner, laundry, dishes etc. Because of my tendency to branch a conversation off into endless side conversations about things ive been thinking about or stuff i learned that day the conversations get pretty nonsensical to friends that listen but somehow my INTJ always follows my logic very fluidly. Talking with her always gives immense insight into opposing ways to arrive at typically the same answer i did but for very different reasons in any debate. Its a mental stimulation i dont get anywhere else because of her willingness to listen, add to or challenge ideas that i have. I tend to ignore things i find boring in life like the more mundane tasks in the house or even basic upkeep and shes great at aiming my energy correctly when needed. I find her endlessly interesting because shes incredibly intelligent but the path her brain uses to solve problems or find her best solutions is WILDLY different than mine. On any given weekend we get so wrapped up in talk on saturday morning it might be noon or 1pm before we decide its time to stop the convo for the day and move on to actually having a weekend. I feel like the two personality types just endlessly compliment each other as friends or romantic partners because together they form a pretty fantastic team. able to find logical solutions to complex problems from multiple angles of logic. The only real pitfall we have both noticed is a sort of bubble we create. we have to make effort to acknowledge the outside world so as to not become complete hermits! loved the video, keep up the great work!
INTJ will likely to speed up this video up to 1.5 speed or listen while reading comments while INTP will likely to finish this video first then read comments As an INTJ I like to get as much information as I can in short period of time and get what’s relevant. I think INTP’s doesn’t mind cuz they’ve got lots of time they’ve got from procrastinating.
The reason I love learning odds and ends is that you never know when something will suddenly click with something you learned ten years ago, and you see behind the curtain... So I filter nothing... A big seemingly confusing wash of possibilities just waiting for kismet to strike...
As an INTP, let me let you in on a little secret that we INTPs know intuitively... nothing is unrelated. :D there are literally no two things in existence that are unrelated. That it seems unrelated to you only means that you haven't discovered the connection yet...
INTJ/INTP might be drawn to each other because they are so similar and rare, as an INTJ, I don't feel like people understand how I think, and that's lonely.
Here is the general 80/20 info rule for each: INTJ: 80 percent of information is for utility, 20 percent of information is for curiosity. INTP: 80 percent of information is for curiousity, 20 percent is for utility. *Individual percentages may vary.
Yep my partner of 12 years is an INTJ, I am an INTP. 🤣 he helps me focus while I'm his portable fact checker. He'll say something about a topic hes not passionate about and he'll pause and look at me, I either say correct or acutally...
Yes! I'm an INTP and I love INTJs like none other. They def fulfill a psychological need for me; always wanting to know what I think and never how I feel (lol); always making me physically comfy (never shall I be hungry not thirsty nor too hot nor too cold). My INTJ BF is bar-none the BEST relationship I've ever had in every way possible. He lets me be me and he allows me to go slowly out of my comfort zone to try new experiences whilst knowing he's always right by my side; utterly dependable. I can always follow the logic of INTJs (like at work, people do the straight-up most asinine, inefficient shit but not the INTJ)--they always have rational reasons for what they do. INTJs are just seriously so cute: all formal and proper until you get to know them and so confident and laid-back in a super attractive way. I actually tested as an INTJ the first time I took the test but that's bc a. I've become quite adept at organizing my outer world so that I don't spend hours every day looking for my keys, etc. b. I admire INTJs and wanted to be one (until I realized I could just be an INTP and have my own INTJ lol). I absolutely agree with your assessment that these two types are magnetically drawn to each other; I think it's a combination of how our cognitive functions line up (Te trying to consume Ti, etc) and the fact that our temperaments are the same: abstract, pragmatic, systematic. This causes a foundation of likeness/basic understanding on a fundamental level whilst the cognitive functions provide an "opposites attract" quality. Nice video.
Ok so from all of my INTP experience, I have found from my personal preference that INTP's & INTJ's click so often aka. debate so often, because we compliment one anothers logic in ways I have never found with anyone else. So for me personally, brain chemistry is high.
I, an intj, met my wife, an intp, in 1980. She was overweight and cared nothing about how she looked. Yet there was instant attraction. We have survived infedelities, lawsuits, near financial ruin and two children but remain stuck like two poles of a magnet. When confronting a common threat we have always been a frightening and devastating force. There is no one I enjoy spending time with more and the sex remains breathtaking. I doubt either of us will survive the others passing when that time comes.
I've never actually tried working with my INTP before. I'd be curious to see if it would be worth some effort but I predict that we're better off as just friends. Why INTPs and INTJs are drawn to each other I'd say is that neither of us is too concerned for social norms. My INTP it's socially awkward so he's strange and I find social expectations simply pointless so I'm strange. We get along because our weirdness often coincides. As an INTJ I have these obsessions, and my INTP is more than happy to hear me talk about them because he might then discover a new interest for himself.
I am an INTP, my mother and my oldest sister are INTJ’s. What is awesome is that when we get along NO ONE and I mean, NO ONE, can pull us apart. When we fight though it’s intellectual, argumentative, and for the purpose of getting to a goal or a common understanding. I love them with all my heart! Wouldn’t trade it for the world!
I’m an INTJ and my absolute best friend is an INTP. We are pretty much like puzzle pieces. For an example I’m terrible at reading the room and people emotions but by looking at her face and her reaction I can see how I should react and i follow. Where she lacks in things I excel in them and vice versa. Plus we bounce ideas off each other all the time and we usually can read each others mind. We also love doing new things together and seeing if we like them. She gets the emotions that I feel just by looking at me and she knows what I’m thinking all the time. I just feel very drawn to her and she feels the same towards me.
I'm INTP. My best friend growing up was INTJ. It was spectacular. Dude got it. Honed, like a razor. Life happened. I assume I'm the one who changed/didn't change. All I know is my best friend found something in me that changed the nature of our relationship. We were a force to be reckoned with. Now, he's chasing his dreams and I'm doing what I do best; being alone. Miss that dude like no other, but there is a shallow nature to the disconnect that I still don't understand. Bottom line: My INTJ best friend is the surface of the beautiful lake. Shimmering with potential and prowess. I've found that INTPs might be the depth of the INTJ's show.
My niece is an INTP and I’m an INTJ. She’s young, so she can sometimes get on my nerves as she has a hard time admitting when she’s wrong and we’re both very stubborn, but when we agree and work together on something we do well. She has a hundred ideas that she can run by me and I’ll tell her whether they would work and why or why not. If I get stuck on something she can give me a new perspective and get me through my block. She learns for learnings sake and I learn for purpose. She tends to get stuck on what if’s and why and how whereas I say “who cares? As long as it functions” and move on more easily. It’s a weird dynamic, but good.
I'm an INTJ and my best friend is an INTP. We were drawn to each other immediatedly. I think that this is because these two types contemplate so many things and can talk about it all day long. In my opinion, this connection often starts with deep topics and abstract ideas. As soon as we realize that other party expresses their opinion in a thoroughly thoughtful and interesting way, we both can't stop talking. With time, this "mindmate" becomes a true friend intellectually, emotionally, and so on. Thank you for your interesting input!
Oh Michelle; I had another thought: maybe both types are so rare and often misunderstood that when they finally find another person whom they finally click with they are so happy they want to be around them all the time, forever lol.
I am INTJ and I have been with my INTP partner 16 years. We met in Freshers week at university and we drawn to each other despite having different backgrounds, being on different courses (I was doing English Literature and he Electronic Engineering) and having different hobbies. We share a black humour and intellectual jokes. We trust each other and respect each others space and independence. When we do argue, it's usually about tidying up the house and trying to store/manage equipment for his many hobbies.
INTJ here and my BFF is an INTP, as well as my BF, but the vast majority of my close friends are INTJ. For me it’s the ability to have a meeting of the minds without having to sugarcoat or overly protect feelings because a lot of people can’t discuss ideas without emotional involvement to their narrative and I think both INTJ and INTP are willing to have their minds changed on a particular subject with the presentation of evidence, and this is an incredibly rare trait that makes debates highly satisfying, even who I am proven wrong.
I am an INTP and my best friend is an INTJ (supposedly, she has never taken the test but she easily fits with all the INTJ features). We met on our first day of university, she actually came to me and tried to start a casual conversation, but it was a very bad idea, I felt annoyed by her continuous questions and I only gave her short "yes" and "no" answers trying to finish that conversation as soon as possible (she later told me that she saw I was wearing a bracelet which meant that we were going to study the same major, so she just wanted to know her future classmate). The thing is that we didn't befriend with that annoying conversation and I forgot about that the next day. Once we started classes things became very different, I felt really attracted to her intellect and naturally we started to be closer (I must confess that I didn’t notice that she was the same person from that annoying conversation, I found it out years later!). We became a team for everything and working together was the best. She was able to find the most relevant information to our projects, while I was able to take that information and makes sense faster. Without her I would spend too much time checking a lot of unrelated stuff, without me she would spend thrice the time reading in deep everything many times. But it wasn’t only in our work style. We developed very strong confidence in each other. As an INTP most of the stuff in my head never sees the light, but with her, I was able to talk about everything, and she didn’t only understand, she was also able to give valuable feedback and interesting opinions about everything. It wasn’t only intellectual stuff, it was everything! Even those undeveloped and completely non-sense thinking and questions. It allowed us to explore our imagination and create our own universe. We did also talk about feelings, I can be emotional and it was easy to share even those things with her (while I can’t even with my own family), but most of the time we were just lost in our own ideas. Unfortunately, our lives took different paths, and now we don’t even live in the same country. However, we are still in touch and when we talk is like we have never been away, that spark is still there. One last thing to stand out, after more than 10 years of friendship we never have fought, I can talk to her very honest and she never takes it personal, and the same thing the other way around.
I'm an INTP and my best friend is an INTJ and it works because we both are honest to a fault. My thinking and ideas gives a structure to his thinking and his way of thinking gives motivation and new directions for mine. We understand each other completely and this connection seems to be on a spiritual level.
I'm INTJ and my girlfriend is INTP. Funny thing when we started dating, I thought I was INTP and she thought she was INTJ. After a year we found a Personality Hacker profiling gathering. She actually got profiled from Tim the INTP from Joyce's channel! When we were done we counted to 3 and said our type. We both laughed for a long time when we found that what we thought was flipped for each other's type..
@Celty Sturluson Funny that you ask now because I'm married to my INTP :) Since we've both felt so disconnected with most of the world when we found each other things just felt natural between us.
@Celty Sturluson We met through an online dating app :D I think it was OkCupid, I don't remember it was quite some time ago. Haha, I imagine that's how INTx will meet someone nowadays.
I'd agree. I'm an INTJ, my partner is an INTP and we both feel we've finally found "the one". Day to day life is just so easy now. The way we communicate, the things we want in life... It's all so compatible.
I am an INTP and apparently just met an INTJ, we only know each other for about 4 months or so but it feels like i can trust him my life and thoughts. As an INTP i really enjoy learning new things without any purpose, it just fascinating to know more and share it to my friends. But my other friends never really interested about what i found, but this INTJ guy always really excited to hear all my research, and even add more facts that makes my information richer and i just cant help but to be myself around him and keep bubbling around about anything while he always laugh and be like "i have already take my research on that and this is what i thought.." AND IT JUST REALLY REALLY AWESOME. We are both agreed that we are so similiar on this and that, and it just on the same time creepy and interesting. Meanwhile i always remind him to rekax and take a rest from all his workaholic traits, he has been an alarm that reminds me to study and get my shits done HAHA i just really appreciate him as my dear close friend, and idk about him but the way he talks and shares his thoughts with me makes me feel like he also trust me so yeah i really enjoy this INTP INTJ friendship
I use a system where you basically match the introverted function with the extroverted version of that function and vice versa, and the closer the functions are to each other’s levels in the stack the better. That causes INTPs to be “golden pairs” with ENTJs and INTJs. That also means the “golden pairs” or “highest compatibility types” for, say, ENFPs to be INFJs and ENFJs, ISTP for ESTJ and ISTJ, and so on. I’ve never known any verified INTJs, but I’m friends with an ENTJ and I’ve never gotten along with anyone so well. Probably the reason I’ve never met an INTJ is because we’re both introverts and want other people to be the ones to initiate, whereas the two ENTJs I’ve known introduced themselves to me first.
I am an INTP. I am a systems analyst by trade. If I won the lottery I would go back to college and get my PHD in Theoretical Physics. There is no bottom in that well and no end to the questions and puzzles. I live to understand the patterns and solve the puzzles. My problem is that once I understand something, I am bored with it. I am starting to think, now that I am learning more about this, is that my best friend is an INTJ. We each would walk through fire for each other. He lives 750 miles away and we only speak about 4 times a year but he is the only person I would TRULY call a friend.
I'm an INTP with an INTJ best friend and I gotta say that I really feel a deep and genuine sinergy in our friendship. I think that what makes us feel really connected is that we are constantly feeding each other with New information and theories and critical opinions but we actually never take each other's words really serious (what often makes us look childish and goofy, because we are often just being silly and making jokes about each other).
All of it is very true. Me, an INTJ and my INTP friend complement each other so so good. Me and my friend shopping: INTP: *can't choose a dress* INTJ: just take one so we can leave INTP: *drowning in Ne hell of possibilities* but this one match my new shoes but this one fabric is better but this one have better color but this one fabric is better... *30 more arguments* INTP: I don’t know, help me INTJ: *sigh* INTJ: take this one, it's cheaper Later... *came back* Random person: HI DO YOU HAVE A MOMENT- INTJ: *freak out* U-um INTP: NO thank you, we've not INTJ: *sigh of relief*
I'm an intp, my boyfriend is an intj, we're in love so deep, I hope that he will be with me forever. Btw his mother's an intp and his dad's an intj. Edite: he died a month ago.
INTP here who works with an INTJ as a software developer. I think the natural relationship flourishes in both personalities ability to critically think about many things. INTP's can be thought of as a fountain of abstract ideas because they will think of many possible scenarios in a certain scope of thought while an INTJ will find it extremely enjoyable to analyze each of these abstractions and go into the logical implementation or consequences of implementing such an abstraction concretely in the world. Then there is a feedback loop because the INTP will provoke more creative thought and question the rational of the INTJ's more detail oriented thought which causes both parties to better their logical understanding of some topic of discussion as they go through this process together. That is roughly how the INTJ and I (INTP) go about problem solving complex ideas together.
I’m an INTJ and this is the draw for me to my best friend who was and INTP: as everyone knows the INTJ, like myself, loves to delve into their own world they have made by past experience, theories, morals, etc. and has no one to share it with. Obviously as an introvert the first instinct is to keep it private, but that is mainly because if shared it would be uninteresting or misunderstood by others, however, the INTP with the introverted intuition and the thinking trait, paired with the fact they love a really large amount of information not only understands the outermost thoughts and fantasies of the INTJ, but also is fascinated by them which is something no other type can even begin to offer the INTJ. Also, the wealth of information within the INTP is incredible and quite entertaining and facilitating to listen to. On the INTP spectrum, from what my repressed extroverted sensing has picked up is that the INTP hearing the strange and highly creative ideas brewed from deep within the INTJ’s mind is almost like a hi for that INTP, like no other type can provide such unique and intensely deep information, so after a while, the INTP craves to hear from the INTJ and the INTJ needs to explode on the INTP.
I think an intp sees that an intj has the ability to bring their ideas to life. Very much so like Aristotle and Alexander the great. There must be some reverence for the relationship to be fruitful otherwise they wouldn't listen those laser focused intjs... So yea, an intp is very salty towards an intj but loves them a lot.
INTP here. First off thank you for bringing this synergy to light. My ex I now realize is an INTJ(very difficult to get past that situation)but one of my best friends and now roommate is an INTJ. Sometimes when I go on my rants, he shows respect but not the interest. Then, when I know I've got something that can be useful and relevant to him, his eyes are glued into my soul. I think that what connects us so much is the Intuition and the Thinking. I am able to recognize the Intuition and strategy going on in him which I respect. I also respect his outward expression of Thinking which can reveal what my internal Thinking can sound like. I personally think a typical INTJ has a Witty Assholishness about them which I find very humorous and often quite truthful. It makes me feel like someone else actually understands me for the Asshole that I am on the inside while everyone else annoyingly thinks I'm just a sweetheart. We are able to share our dark humor sometimes through just a certain look of the eye and still know that we are respectable human beings. Some of the things we might say amongst each other can be quite sinister to other types, which is why I feel I have someone to trust with my dark side that won't freak-out and get all upset. Like Michelle pointed out, we provide an outlet for one another.
Disagree. As an INTP I can’t talk to my INTJ friend for 2 minutes straight without thinking about punching him in the face. He never listens to facts or possibilities.
Jackeline MB chances are he’s not actually an INTJ and has simply romanticized the idea of INTJ and now thinks he is one. INTJs at their core are curious, and will enjoy learning about something even if they disagree with it. The point is the hopefully change their opinion. It’s pretty rare that I don’t give something a chance.
Mario Bros I could understand that, but when it’s about facts that I am certain and I have evidence for... there should be no possible discussion am I right?
I can see that. Also, in many cases, a judger can irritate a perceiver or vice versa. In my experience, as an INFJ, Si and Ne can conflict with my Ni-Se. Although I've had positive experiences with ENFP's and ENTP's, their dominant Ne can drive me crazy. I have an INTJ partner and our shared Ni-Se makes our interactions pleasant most of the time. We easily understand each others perspectives.
Maybe it's INxP and INxJ? I say this as an INTP with an INFJ friend and we always end up in speculative conversations. Regarding INTP mistyping and INTJ, I think it's because the questionaires ask about making lists and things like that. The INTP makes lists in a desperate effort to reign in their P, not because they are J. I make lists all the time, but never actually do any of the things on the list.
Me and my friend randomly took a test one day, and noticed I'm an INTP and he's an INTJ. Generally speaking, him as an INTJ, he will usually come up to me for my opinions on subjects that are either unfamiliar to him or new. He doesn't usually seem obsessed with learning about a subject as much as me. He will get to a point where he feels like he knows what he needs to know, then moves on, but I can a lot of times remind him of things he missed that can be really important. I guess it ends up being somewhat of a yin and yang relationship.
I’m an INTP dating an INTJ. We bounce off each other and always are mentally stimulating each other. He teaches me and I teach him, our favorite things are to learn and think. We can take feelings out of situations and fix what’s actually wrong, which leads to less emotional arguments. We are both very blunt and I’m more emotionally aware than the males, so it’s nice. It’s always something new and fresh to talk about.
You're absolutely correct. We do actually make up for a lot of our weaknesses. I find INTJ's good at seeing the vision ahead which gives them more of a reason to hear out my ideas. Plus when I have a really good idea that could work they force me to implement it. Not always just because of INTP laziness, instead because I might just be bouncing idea's off of the INTJ but because of the average depth of my idea's I might disregard a good yet simple solution because it's seen as obvious to me/ too simple/ not that important. INTJ's have an uncanny ability to see if it would be practical. Where as us INTP's tend to focus on what's theoretically possible. So in short having both in one place is like having a never ending engine of creation. INTP's say "what if?" and INTJ's say "how can we?" and the rest of the conversation is proving why we think it's the best course of action followed by a sharing of notes and data points tweaking each other's idea's until we meat in the middle. It's a mad scientist meets grand strategist situation so both would see it as a waste not to utilise our strengths for a common goal. I'll ponder this and come up with a more in depth analysis later c:
Ooooh this is fascinating and honestly makes a lot of sense. te ignoring is hard to conceptualize, but the way you put it brings things into perspective
@@PsychologyandChillwMichi Still working on this, but as far as I can tell Te doesn't simply ignore the other ideas. It takes them into account, it looks at all of them. However when the task (for instance) is to put together furniture then my great idea about a space lazer isn't so useful; so it categorises the idea's into competence buckets, it puts them onto a scale with some criteria for being more or less useful. I know that some of the criteria is "will other people be able to use this?" | "Can this provide the most benefit with the least amount of cost for the person carrying it out and all involved?" | "is this useful to the situation we're in?" | "is it possible to implement this practically?" | "Is this idea ticking more of my criteria or less than the other ideas?". And those are only a few, It seems that the more of those criteria an idea ticks off then the more likely they would use said idea. So in short they have a systematic way of zero-ing in on the most useful idea out of the set of idea's without ignoring the extraneous ones. And from a process like that it's clear that it would be impossible to do without actually really considering if all the idea's could work and actually looking into them. At least this is what I have seen. Hope this helps c:
Ti seems to ignore other ideas because it can get super focused on one thing and then that things possibilities. It's such an in depth process that no one is able to do that and look at all possible ideas at the same time. If you go too far down the Ti rabbit hole it can take us so much of your brain that you start to miss simple things like eating or sleeping. It's dangerously powerful with a price for INTP's
@@PsychologyandChillwMichi Okay so I'm back I had most of this figured out and free flowing information in my mind but I needed to come back to your video to connect the dots in continuous order. So you were describing how INTP's and maths and INTJ's digesting useful information based on its utility to them. The INTJ section was pretty well fleshed out and I agree with the gist of it so that's an adequate explanation for me at the time being. On the INTP side of things I think that we are more geared towards increasing general intelligence. To create and example for you: if you think about all of the things you learn in categories (e.g. maths, electricians handbook, how to succeed at work) and then expand those categories by converting them to greater categories (e.g. maths - academic, electricians handbook - specialised trade, how to succeed at work - social careers skills) etc. Then you realise that everything can be expanded upon to infinity. I think that many INTP's like myself see this early on and opt to learn from the highest category, the category that all of the other categories could fit in. But objectively it's obvious that you could just keep putting things in expanded categories until the sun stops shining. So to all knowledge we give the ultimate category of general intelligence. The fun thing about aiming for general intelligence is that it's endless no human could ever hope to master it, but it's fun to try. And yes all of this stems from our mindset of "no information is useless" no matter what it is you learn. The neuronic pathways created as a result could be the difference between broken and fixed, life and death or success and failure. Still being human has it perks as we get fascinated and infatuated with ideas and possibilities that we like almost to the point of falling in love with the existence of a new elegant solution/ possibility. The sad thing is that aiming for general intelligence makes you an outsider in the world. And again with our rarity is it any wonder? However remember that we live in a world of specialists. Those whom specialise succeed. And looking to improve general intelligence makes those with this goal naturally divergent to specialisation instead of convergent. Which explains why INTP's tend to find school super boring. "Why should I just think about just one thing at a time? Why not think about all the possible ways we can represent that one thing? Or do my psych homework in my head while I type a business essay? I have to many new idea's to waste them all in one basket!" It feels limiting to only be allowed to think of what you tell me to think which drive INTP's up the wall. Plus with years of general intelligence training under our belts we start to forget that "we" ourselves know we know a lot but without the credentials to back it up no one will treat you like the boffin you probably are. Because without demonstration or accreditation there's no way for others to know, which can cause some INTPs to be resentful. For those INTP's the lesson here is, yes - you're right general intelligence trumps all; and even though it's the last thing you want to hear... yes - other people are right to treat you that way because you shouldn't have allowed your devotion to logic, stop you from proving that to others and cloud the reason why you're doing this in the first place. "But I'm right why do I have to do/prove anything for those emotionally driven idiots!?" Look I say this because I genuinely care for my type: it wasn't just because you knew general intelligence is the logical choice... It's because solving problems is the only way you know how to show that you care So embrace that - yours faithfully a British INTP who hates maths
I'm unofficially an INTP (not formally typed yet). Maybe a way to think of the INTP/INTJ relationship is like the relationship between science and engineering in creating technologies of our modern world. A technology not based on a deep understanding of the underlying principles, and their applicability and limitations (INTP) isn't likely to be very reliable or work as well as it could. But those concepts need to be implemented in an efficient and practical way (INTJ) to result in something useful. Both types tend to realize that they need each other, particularly in technical fields. Also, as INTJs are probably the easier of the two for other types to understand and are seen as more practical, INTPs often end up emulating INTJs, particularly when they need to achieve some practical goal in their work/life. Having a real INTJ around so you can follow their example is very helpful in doing this!
When I describe the Te/Ti axiom I use underwater basket weaving as an example. The Te user will actively avoid taking classes that do not pertain to their specific field of study, whereas the Ti user will take practically any class, or at least consider taking it. So ask if someone would be interested in taking underwater basket weaving, both will say no (probably), but the Ti user will at least consider it, whereas the Te user will not.
Thanks, I finally know as an intj myself, why it is that I want my girlfriend to be like Aubrey Plaza. She's weird and quiet which as an intj, I find attractive
Your question about an analogy for unrelated things reminded me of an old TV show called _Connections_ in which the presenter started with something from the distant past and ended with some seemingly unrelated thing in the modern world, traversing a series of unexpected connections along the way. I loved that show and now know that was because I’m an INTP. Anyway, the point is that everything is connected, and it’s a pure joy to begin researching Caesar Augustus one morning and end up-thru a series of distractions-investigating shipwrecks, amphorae, olive oil and finally chromosomes by the evening. True story.
As an INTJ that is a Founder/CEO my closest C-suite execs are both INTPs and my cofounder is an INFP(whole other convo)… this being said, for INTP synergy is beautiful, they bring me information and on the spot I can connect some abstract dots and then they’ll go, hmmm, and then they figure out how to build it, then once I know their logic(which usually they speak stuff that most would find as gibberish, and somehow I’m just like, makes complete sense, even if my competence isn’t to theirs, which they love) we can start building it out. A great way to think of it is: I connect 4-5 points which is very innovative, but truly don’t know how I landed on that, but then they get fascinated by that ideas capability, go and learn everything on how to accomplish it, update me, and the cycle continues. The strongest innovative companies were always from INTJs synergized with INTP’s.
I am a male INTJ and my brother is an INTP. I have met INTPs who I do not get along with and it is either because we have different interests or they are just not smart.(Omg an INTP with below average intelligence? Yeah they exist and the same goes for INTJs and every type) The reason we get along is because INTPs are processors. I feed data into the processor and out comes an answer. There is no emotional exchange so it is an efficient way to problem solve and learn for both of us. INTPs benefit from many different things but what INTJs do for them is, we can think outside of the box more. INTPs follow the rules, memorize them, find the best way to win within a set of rules; INTJs think "what if the rules were different?", "can I change them?", "I bet I can find an alternate interpretation" We are more meta focused. This is a reason why INTPs can come off as lacking social awareness. Social interactions do not have a written set of rules(unless you give INTPs a book about social interactions and even then it will still be hard because there is subtext). INTJs learn to adapt to society. So we learn how to interact but we will have a frustrating adolescence in that area. INTPs seem to share information far too liberally for the INTJ's comfort. I withhold a ton of information and I keep plenty from him because I know that he will share it and think nothing of it.(and just because I withhold information doesn't mean it is bad so don't get paranoid lol) The tertiary(child) functions are huge defining differences between the types. INTPs are obsessed with things that they know that they already like. This can be anything, but it's going to usually be something that they grew up around. Deeply seeded in their past as a positive thing, (Si in a nutshell) and this is why they tend to need someone who will push them to fulfill their potential. I think the only way to make an INTP change from bad behavior or to try new things is to make them uncomfortable or if it's to make someone they care about happy(Fe) because they won't do it on their own. INTJs are going to actively search for NEW positive experiences(Ni). The INTJ's Fi is their Achilles heel. Fi is like heroin. I guard my feelings more and more as I get older because I am easily hurt if exposed. I hate being ruled by them so I don't use them frequently; it is the best feeling in the world when my Fi has a positive experience. I'm not sure that I want to write more about it right now. My brother has said that INTPs are very simple. What you see is what you get. It is a mistake to look for something deeper. INTJs are the opposite. You only see what I let you see, and it's cute when you think I've slipped up and revealed something I didn't intend. It's all part of the plan.
I like what you said about INTPs being simple in the second-to-last sentence. I'm an INTP, and I hate when people think I'm playing some sort of emotional mind game or lying, etc. I honestly don't care enough to even bother, I'm super simple when it comes to social interaction.
Trueeee we are socially naive 😂.. but this is a cheap price in exchange for knowledge thirst and high intellectual abilities.. because it matters to us the most🤩.. I agree with the fact that intps might be simple.. but it's a 50 50 matter.. myself I'm pretty much complex when it comes to human interaction.. I try apply knowledge and logic on feeling and emotions so I end up missing everything up🤣
Grace Ankerson Ooh. Interesting. I am an intp and I’m similar to that except that I like to remain unpredictable. I usually have lots of tricks up my sleeve and I’m looking for ways to deploy them, but until then I’ll settle for just confusion and imbalance in my adversary in whatever game I’m playing. That is, if I’m in the mood to spar. If not you’re totally right. I would disagree with the statement that we are “in the box thinkers”; Intp’s create new systems and ideas all the time that no one would’ve thought about before. Think of special and general relativity. But I would agree that we work on the basis of if then statements, assuming certain axioms and working from those.
@@danielfisher898 I can relate to that. I like to THINK I'm unpredictable and have tricks up but sleeve, but in reality most of the time I lack the mental energy to bother, at the end of the day it's easier for me to just act normally and focus on other things I'm interested in. I do really like to mess with people though, which is easier since I naturally (and I believe this is an INTP thing in general, not certain though) construct how I act around a person based on that person's personality, so sometimes I go for a more interesting personality or that's funny to me (with one person I played up the unemotional aspect of my personality and she thought I had Asperger's, with another friend I played up the more immoral part of my personality and she thought I might be a sociopath, with some friends I play up the funny part of my personality, etc.) I didn't even realize I shaped my personality around other people until recently (which I think might be part of the reason I'm so awkward around strangers and never know what to say), but I started doing this once I realized it.
Intp, follow the rules ? On the contrary, we make rules for ourselves, and avoid following any other. We hate giving or being given orders. Id say freedom is our main value.
INTJ here. My life long... Surprise, INTP friend, is needed as that one person I can trust to not say random unverified garbage lol. We are able to talk for hours and hours about topics that stimulates both of us. We debate about everything without offense and before I delved into mbti, I always thought that this is the one person I talk to that I will be keeping around. I mean I basically just have 1 close friend anyway. Also it's worth noting that the INTP will change the subject in conversation when I have a tendency to burrow too deep into a single topic. I like this for the most part. I will compare two similar types ENTP- changes subject so obnoxiously (imo) that INTJ checks out and gets frustrated. INTP- changes subject ( still without any transition) but has plenty of content and focus to make it worthwhile. Also I have learned to trust that what is being said has definitely been considered long enough, that it isn't a waste of our time. I mention ENTP because I have an ENTP friend as well and the INTP cognitive stack is same ( in different priority) for both types. I could go on, but I am on a mission to better understand myself, good day.
(INTP ramble incoming) I (INTP) have (of course) been close with a lot of INTJs in my life. One of my closest friends from high school was an INTJ, my dad is probably an ENTJ but I connect with him too in a very similar way, and within weeks of coming to college this year, surprise surprise, I. met an INTJ and we clicked within minutes, making him one of my first friends here. I'd say that when I have new ideas or information, I'm most interested in sharing it with INTJs because they are the most likely to engage with it in the logical, detached way that I want to. Most people are guided by strong emotional biases and presuppositions, and so it's rare to find someone with whom I can have an objective- I mean truly objective and disinterested- conversation with. INTJs can do that, so conversations with them seem worthwhile. Our two types share a similar goal, which is to find the objective truth, so even if we disagree, our discussions are productive because we have the same goal in mind. Because of that, even conversations that look like debates between us are really a collaborative phenomenon, as our critiques of the other's ideas are helping the other to get closer to the truth. In terms of the specific dynamics of the conversation, each of our main two functions plays a role. The INTP's Ne constantly provides new perspectives and information related to a particular topic, which the INTJ's Te quickly analyzes and critiques, weeding out the bad ideas, allowing Ni to find an overarching conclusion from all the information. The INTP's Ti then painstakingly critiques and finds holes in that assertion, refining it; and the cycle continues with Ne bringing new perspectives to the discussion or the Ni making new assertions to be discussed. The thinking functions aggressively analyze all that information, bringing the conversation closer to a correct conclusion. I also think about it like the process of building a sculpture. It often starts with the INTJ's Ni saying, "I want to make a sculpture and I know what I want it to look like." The INTP is usually able to understand what the Ni is talking about because of Ne's ability to see different perspectives, and the Ne provides a huge heap of material for the sculpture. The Te then hacks away in big swift strokes like a large hammer, shaping the material closer to the idea that Ni had in mind. Ti is then the little hammer that painstakingly refines and clarifies the sculpture. The Ne can continually add more and more material if need be, and Ni can provide new plans of what the sculpture should look like, until the Te big hammer and Ti little hammer make a good finished product.
I’m an INTP and I think that my best friend is an INTJ. We became friends because we had a lot of common interests, and we would feed off of that. We had a lot of things in common and we would discuss them. We would also put ourselves in certain scenarios and make almost a story out of it. That’s kind of why we’re friends. It’s also probably why a lot of people ship us, think we’re dating, or think one likes the other.
my INTJ friend has guide me through the worst moment of my life, and we were drown to each other since we've first met. we really like to think about stuff in our lifes that are hard to one another together, because we usually get better results of our situations, we analyze things better together. She's the most important person in my life, and I seriously don't think I'll ever get a connection so strong as ours
Can relate (please bear with my english). I'm INTP and my fiance is INTJ, and it's crazy how perfect it is. We truly trust each other. He complements me and helps my mind so much. When I'm lost, he will easily put me on my path and vice versa. We're both 100% introverted (or more lol) so we absolutely never opened up to people, but when we met, we knew each other so fast it was unbelievable. In a couple years we manage to know each other so well that's impossible to hide anything, even preparing a surprise gift is something hard to go unnoticed. He's better than me in "knowing", though. He keeps attention so well that he can just look at me and know how I'm feeling or what I'm thinking. And the precision is ridiculously right, down to the detail. And me, I find that stunning. The most attractive trait I found in him was the intellect. I think one of the ingredients for love is that we can truly understand each other in our weirdness. We never sound weird to each other and love the fact that we are free to use "abstractiveness" and be understood! Other traits we love are that we are objective, practical and respect the space we need for our intellectual minds. We also often have the same thinking. We talk the same thing at the same time TOO often / don't even need to talk to be understood. Might not be so related with personality but we are both inclined to the same agreement at the same time too, like the type of food in a given occasion, or the feel to want or not to go out. We even dress the same color in the same day without knowing (like 90% of times - not that we INTPs/INTJs like a wide range of colors in our clothing). It's something so rare and unlikely that we already concluded we were meant to each other, even not believing in things like that until we met. For now, 5 years of happiness constantly evolving our lives together - I hope it will last as long as our existence permits.
Hello, Lonely INTP. Antonio, some of us hang out at HostEric's channel and chat when he livestreams almost every day. Michelle Wilson visits us there and I don't think she will mind my Talking with Famous People's channel plug. Please come visit us over there and you will meet several INTJ's and quite a few interesting people, usually the Intuitives like myself.
Best relationship I ever felt was with a super smart INTJ, her and I matched the mental intensity I needed to really inspire my mind to challenge itself and go harder. Usually life bores me so much I just coast. Damn motivation issues.
- I had an INTJ boyfriend and it was awful. He never wanted to talk to me or discuss my ideas. He was controlling, he was uncaring and unaffectionate, and his attitude was "I'm right, don't challenge me." He was obsessed with logic - to the point of needing to have feelings and opinions make logical sense. If they didn't, they were "wrong". He was hyper critical, and he never got excited or passionate about anything. - I also have an INTJ mother and we make the best team. We do so much together, and she's the practical, organized, task-orientated person, while I'm the possibility-orientated person, and I often push her out of her comfort zone and I think with my influence, she learns to be more laid back and imaginative. I think it's really hit or miss with INTJs, and it might matter, when making generalizations, what the sexes are of each person (if these people are heterosexual). I think that INTJs and INTPs of the same sex probably can have very strong relationships. I think that, possibly, when it comes to relationships, it might make a difference as to whether the INTJ is a male, and the INTP a female, or the other way around. I think INTPs are sensitive to judgement, and need reassurance, and I think, on average, men have a lower EQ than women. Just a thought. You would need a lot of data to test this. Still, I think the answer is - it probably depends. Arguably the best friendship I've ever had was with an INFJ. I'm not the kind of person to value my own feelings, per say, and I tend to making decisions and assertions based on rational thinking, but when people treat me as though I have no feelings, or take advantage of the fact that I let poor behavior slide in an effort to be an easy-going individual, it bothers me. My INFJ friend is constantly concerned with how I feel, so she never stamps on my feelings, but she is also intelligent, engaging, enthusiastic, charming, and excellent to have conversations with. I don't have to try to be anyone but myself with my INFJ friend, because even if I screw up being human, she gets it, doesn't mentions it, maybe even thinks its a bit funny, and she doesn't hold it against me. Plus, we know not to schedule our time spent together in advance, or be too structured about it. When we feel the need to socialize, we have tactful ways of finding out whether the other person is available, and then we hang out. It's perfect.
I'm an INTP and my sister is an INTJ I guess what you can say about how we're close is that we both patch each other's ideas and we fill in what the other is lacking. I usually spat out my ideas broadly and when something doesn't make sense my sister comes in and questions me more about it until I realize that it was either stupid or needs some improvement And that's what I love about my sister, she helps fortify my ideas and in return I do the same with her's. She thinks in details while I think broadly and it really goes well. Plus we both like the same humor :>
Definitely have multiple precious INTPs in my life as an INTJ. However, probably not a good match for dating unless the male is the INTJ. Otherwise the action and execution oriented INTJ will get annoyed with the INTP as they can appear lazy in the relationship. But as friends - absolutely precious.
