Regarding the Early Start Denver Model: Sally Rogers has stated that using operant conditioning for language is a mistake that BCBAs continue to make. Regarding 25+ hours a week, Sally Rogers says this: “What the data are saying is that the kids are getting enough in other places or other aspects of their life that those additional hours aren’t adding. And I think this is really, we’ve really got to take this seriously because you know this 30 and 40 hours a week. This serves people who are, I’m sorry, but we know, are selling intervention. This is exhausting for families. It’s exhausting for children. We have never had any experimental evidence to support that, ever. There is not a single study that’s ever supported the benefits of that much therapy. I think mine is the very first study that’s ever actually experimentally manipulated hours. And if we were thinking okay, 15 hours is a good dose, these are little kids remember, think about how many more children could get treated out of the same number of therapists we have, if we were delivering really, really high quality 15 hours a week plus parent coaching. We don’t know that it would make any less effect on kids and it would double or triple the amount of services we could provide. And so you know I think we have to be very thoughtful about this and think about not the hours but the child’s progress and what’s happening.” Please update your talk to reflect the evidence. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-K62E4K9B6cs.html
Neurotipical people cannot teach their form of communication to autistic people as their non autistic behaviour is caused by their neurological wiring.More bluntly they don`t think about what they do, just act according to their neurological program, so do we autistics. It is like there is a computer program who responds a certain way and we want to change that by punishing the computer with a nice slap on the screen when it says something undesirable, or giving it a cake when it says something desirable, it is a clearly futile action. Just like a program can only be changed by changing the program, take the processor out and put a different program in it. As we are not computers, our processor = our brain cannot be taken out and changed which means our program cannot be changed!!!!!! :) The right approach is treat autism like a different language, as we autistics are very intelligent but we communicate on a different language!
I understand what you mean, but there is the oft-overlooked aspect of our brain that allow them to change- neuroplasticity. This means we don’t need to swap out the program, but we need to foster new behaviours and deepen these healthy ruts in our brain that are responsible for these healthy behaviours, thereby healing us.
@@zain4019 What's overlooked is the delusion that humanity is an artificial species, by committing the fallacy of applying "average" to the human they created an artificial version of humanity with no tangible existence, and they try to mould everyone to fit that artificial human. People who actually do think would realise "normality" is even more debilitating than autism and is an actual disease as it is the creator of discrimination, racism, cultural prejudice, oppression and conflict.
@@danielmoore4024 So...an individual on the autism spectrum who engages in gouging their own eyes, biting their hands until they bleed, and throwing items in the environment...does not seem very healthy or productive. Not sure how they will thrive in the natural environment...you say those behaviors are ok, though. I don't get it
@@IcanSeeMyselfOutThanks You obviously haven't listened to autistic people, there's autistic adults who still physically hurt themselves, do you ever ask them why? They physically hurt themselves because it is less painful than the environment and emotional pain. Start reading firsthand accounts by autistic people explaining why they behave the way they do/did, do you know why some don't make eye contact? Eye contact isn't a problem to me so I had to find autistic people who do find it a problem and they explained to me why they avoid eye contact.
@@danielmoore4024 Interesting. What kind of response would you expect from a severely disabled individual who cannot functionally communicate? Also, you are wrong. You are saying ALL autistic individuals hurt themselves because it is less painful than the environment...I can't begin to explain how wrong you are. I have seen SIB occur as a self-stimulatory behavior, I've seen SIB occur as attention-seeking, I have seen SIB occur because the kid wanted a drink. You are saying you know the reason why all autistic individuals engage in SIB...your ignorance is mind blowing and have literally lost any little shred of credibility you might have ever had.
In my experience, ABA, nouthetic/biblical counseling, conversion therapy, or just old fashioned bullying and abusive parenting are all different sides of the same object.
