iPhone 11 Vs ZOOM H5 Vs RODE NT4 - Classical Musician Perspective 

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I am glad we agree :)

It'd be really interesting to see how The version of the zoom with the lightening connector works with the existing I phone 11 and in terms of the Rode whether they both are compatible with that OS and whether one could live stream say to youtube or Facebook apps on the I phone and if they work while plugged in and if the stream on Facebook comes out mono or stereo on the actual live when streamed using an I phone.

That's because the NT4 has been recorded in mono. I recorded the audio in Audacity just to confirm.

Same, I like Zoom H5 the most.

Awesome!

Kaya po pala Tr. Sara hehe

Haha yes, EJ!

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I couldn’t find stuff that would be helpful for me so I decided to make my own ;)

@@theviolintech7632 I think some basic how to record tutorials would be awesome too!

@@fangzhi_zhao here is a video covering some basic set up using the Zoom H5 recorder ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nvpzAF02DFM.html

Hi, right now you can check another video that I have recorded with the Rode NT4 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Vynl0AXPqiw.html

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Thank you for your kind comment.

I had no idea that you were part of the imperial stormtroopers (trombones) in your previous life :0 I agree that the lower register richness is quite telling on the quality mic

The low one is Czardas by Monti Middle one is Legende by Wieniawski Fast one is Polonaise No.2 in A Major by Wieniawski

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Glad you think so!

I am glad we both think the same :)

@@theviolintech7632 I feel its undoubtedly the best portable sound recorder and the best interface.

Ha, Ha, be careful about the Tascam and Sony guys ;)

Hi, thank you for this feedback! Yeah, it seems that the whole world is obsessed with looks without realizing that a lot of “chemistry” comes from the sound... I think that the new iPhone did a pretty nice job with audio, both on the recording and the playback side. So there is hope that there are people who care about that aspect of things.

The other good thing about the Zoom is that it can be used as an audio interface and provide phantom power with other microphones (at least you can with the H6). So you can start with the Zoom, upgrade to the Rode, and use them together.

You are absolutely right! I would be curious how does H5 compare to H6?

Violin on the bicycle, sounds like you like to live dangerously:)

@@theviolintech7632 Haha. Well, I will bring my cheap Chinese one. :)

You bet!

Are the results similar if you record your vocals?

@@theviolintech7632 I'd assume so, however, the rich operatic voice is extremely demanding of a mic's quality, and a soprano is almost always the defining factor. If a mic can handle a high soprano, with some adjustments, without having to lower the volume too much, and of course, without clipping, then it is definitely a good mic (for that genre). Just my humble two cents.

Carlos Monzon that gives me an idea...Thanks!

Except that he's the violin tech... not the fiddle tech ;)

Benjamin Rodriguez ha ha!

Piano certainly sounds awful when recorded on any iPhone and even iPad Pro. That's why I'm considering Zoom H5 now to record my piano. There are plenty of comparison videos of Zoom with piano.

Right! The point of this comparison is to see that if you want to put your recordings on a RU-vid and you are on a budget, where the time and money is best invested. So if RU-vid is compressing stuff in a weird way (which you might be right about) then buying a top shelf equipment will not do as much of a difference as you would hope for.

Do you get a manual gain with the Shure MV88 and the iPhone?

@@theviolintech7632 Yes sir - The free software from Shure is called MOTIV. From the phone you can specify a number of different file types and also you have manual control of the gain. Peter. 🎶😊

I started experimenting with that. iPhones have one mic at the bottom and one by the rear camera. if you set it up for stereo recording it uses both (so stand definitely) if you choose a mono then it's just the back camera.

Hi, I actually use iPad for online lessons and it works great. I think that any decent tablet can do the job. From there you can start expanding with usb microphones.

@@theviolintech7632 Thanks so much for your kind response. How about when it comes to playing with with a sound track accompaniment during the lesson on line.? Thanks a million again!!

@@goldensound1 Hi, the best option is to use headphones then so that the microphone doesn't feedback.

Hi, for simplicity I would do zoom or iPhone set around what is considered best seats in the house. Great for getting idea about real world Ballance, rhythm or intonation. To get a Professional recording quality it takes great sound Engineer and tons of equipment with many zeros after the first digit ;)

I think getting your phone reasonably close would be the cheapest option. I would get a tripod and a phone mount for it.

Hi, From my subjective perspective the iphone 11 or 12 has a better recording quality, the speakers on the newer devices are much better so if you are using it for practicing then the newer iphones are much better tools.

Hi I tried my best to place them in a similar distance from my instrument.

You are right, the circumstances definitely affect the equipment choice. That's why I try to show how this equipment records classical instruments.

Glad I could help!

Zoom H5 only support 24bit 48khz on audio interface multi track mode.

zoomcorp.com/en/us/handheld-recorders/handheld-recorders/h5/

I hope so too!

Excellent points! Having a pair of microphones that you can space apart a bit will definitely sound better. What I am learning right now is how much my untreated home studio affects the recording quality. Audio has so many variables 🤯

You welcome!

Thank you for your insights. I agree with your opinion. The room treatment would be beneficial for my needs as well!

I thought that too. That certainly wouldn't be a fair comparison

Just to be sure, I had to load the audio into Audacity, and you are right. I only checked the mid register test section, but the audio in L and R channels is identical in the NT4, ie: mono. You can see the stereo mic delay between L and R channels in for the Zoom H5 and iPhone. The author of the video should remake the video. Everyone prefers stereo to mono.

Apple devices are hard to beat for the convenience factor.

Yes canon M 50

Yes you can do that!

NT4 is a pair of NT5´s. It has the same capsules.

@@larserikertzgaardringen7426 that's good to know... NT4 gives you XY config, but NT5 gives you option to do straight AB ( I forget the proper term ) anyway I bought a matched pair of small cond. Oktava 012 and they sound warm and pretty good to me. My last trick would be to record violin with XY and then another 2 tracks or R and L room mics. to blend together... like a natural real life reverb effect...

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I agree about the rode

The NT4 recording is in mono. I recorded the RU-vid audio directly into Audacity, and L/R channels are identical.

Hi, great ears! I did have an issue with the recording the NT4. I bumped one of the dials for gain on one of the channels during one of the recordings. I recorded it in stereo but one channel was quieter by about 15%. I added the gain on that channel in post production to equalize the sound space but I didn’t record it mono for sure! I have no skin in the game as far as promoting one device over another. I own the NT4 the zoom and the Iphone. Would you mind checking my other videos where I use the NT4 and see if your experiment with Audacity yields the same results? Thank you for your feedback.

@@theviolintech7632 Actually, I was leaning to the probability that this was more likely to be an honest mistake, but when you consider the tricks that people employ in marketing products on YT, you may have accidentally discovered another trick :-) It's interesting that only one other listener noticed, but I see that some commenters were influenced to purchase the Zoom based on your comparisons. This is no big deal, as the H5 is a solid piece of kit that performs well. It's easy to see if your audio is mono. Install the free Audacity and follow the simple steps in this video. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Lla74qPiGQ8.html You can compare the visual waveforms of each channel. However, you will notice in the video how the left and right channel meters show different levels for a stereo recording. Those level meters for L/R channels will dance in unison if the recording is in mono.

@@theviolintech7632 I checked 2 of your videos , the NT4 is in stereo on those. Of course, to get a full appreciation of the qualities of different microphones, recording solo violin will not show up the limitations at lower frequencies which is typical of mobile devices. Try recording some kick drums with the iPhone, the differences will soon be noticeable.

@@mikw1809 I finally got some studio monitors so my new videos could be more accurate. The reality that I wanted to compare equipment with a RU-vid productions in mind for my fellow classical musicians during the Covid times. I do occasionally mess with some drums for fun so... ;)

@@theviolintech7632 Of course, playback system is important, but knowledge and understanding of the recording process is probably more important. For classical performers like yourself, you should try those NT4 stereo mics in ORTF configuration. It will add a spatial dimension to your recordings ( adding width to the stereo image ), the following video is good for demonstrating some of the different mic techniques: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SDpyMaPn3f8.html Also, the following video is worth watching ( part 1-4 ) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uItVI2zYnPo.html

Very good point!

Hi, where exactly do you hear it? Could you give me the time stamp?