iPhone 14 eSIM Controversy Explained 

Buy a Canadian iPhone

Might as well buy the Canadian variant

Sounds like Apple is doing you a favor because iPhones are garbage.

Also swapping between iphones and non iphones is a pain today with esims. This is a classic move to force people to not want to try other phones just coz of the sheer inconvenience or switching esims.

@@rahullulay there is no easy way to swap esim between Android and Apple devices today anyway because of the way Apple prefers to deliver the esim to a device. When you switch you really get a new profile instead of a new one.

Vote with your wallet then, that's doing something.

@@2078smith you will be

just don't buy it then lol

Paranoid

@@sourcream how

Airlo

It will just make it a hassle. You'd have to buy a cheap smartphone while traveling or a hotspot device.

You obviously don't know how to transfer esims among phones

@@livingaboard and you apparently are under the impression that your experience transferring esims between phones is all encompassing. Lol.

@@mphillips2110 it’s just as easy as psychical card.

@@darth_kal-el no it's not buddy. Keep lying to yourself

@@darth_kal-el How

Lol nobody would go to a provider that makes those charges, even if some of them do it they will quickly get put in their place and bullied by the market to get rid of it

Keyword: "could." Doesn't mean they will. It is just your assumption. People are going crazy for no reason.

And don’t buy iPhone 14, keep your old iPhone and problem solved

using an eSim removes your capabilities of standard traditional message and calling you have to pre-paid data plan then you can have signal bars.

Super true

It doesn’t require that. Only for the first install, then it’s stored on your phone and you can switch anytime. Just like a physical SIM, where you need to get the physical card, which is the equivalent of getting an app

@@anianii The point is it shouldn't be necessary at all. If there were a way to have a SIM profile that can easily be installed by the user on multiple phones, it'd be a different story. But as it stands, you need the carrier's blessing every single time you need to put a phone number on a new phone. It's also not "like a physical SIM" because you don't need to get a new card every time you get a new phone.

@@anianii Do you really trust carriers to keep the process that way? There's too much money in adding more hurdles or fees to make it harder to switch things later on.

@@mphillips2110 The carriers have no influence on that. It’s a part of the phone software. Once you first installed the eSIM, the carrier doesn’t know whether it’s just stored and inactive or the phone is turned off or in Airplane Mode. So unless they start to charge you for every Time you restart the phone, they won’t charge you here either

@@anianii But the phone software _could_ let the carrier know of its use in the future, and the carrier would then charge you fees. It's about *trust* in companies that _you have no voting rights in, no economic recourse for, who are controlled by people who couldn't give a rat's ass about you._

The privacy point can be a valid concern, but has very little to do with eSIM from a conceptual point of view. Both SIM and eSIM could work anonymously, if the will was there. Also the overwhelming majority of the countries require some form of ID to have a cellphone number and have been doing that for years. Control is a political will, and the SIMs that have been around for three decades now have everything on board already to enable control for any government who wants to. They just need an ID requirement for everyone buying SIMs.

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México is more an exception than the norm. I'm currently in Indonesia, where the government requires everyone to hand over their passports and IMEI to be stored in a database if you want to buy a local sim card, even if you're staying only for two weeks. Ironically, if I hadn't wanted to do that, my option would have been to use a travel eSIM that covered this region. Since the cost is 3x to 5x a local simcard for the same amount of data, I opted to hand over my data. (which they have anyway in one form or another..)

@@tapatazapata5970 I agree, also once you activated a phone. All base stations (the government) and ofc carrier itself know what imei is connected and was used. So you would have to throw away that phone when it's been used. Esim might get cheap so now i can quickly buy a sim of the internet with monero and thus able to create a fake profile. Year later i just remove the phone number

Yea I still remember Samsung mocking the headphones jack removal.

That’s what you hate about this? The d&ck measuring competition between giant multinationals? Not the taking away of usability for you the end user? You’ve got some priority issues to address

That's why there's Sony That's why I have the X5ii. Got tired of bending ass backwards and losing features plus I wanted more freedom so I got an Xperia.

Gaslighting

@@brandonb7120 what?

I can't imagine trying to activate while overseas on wifi to keep your number while roaming if you lose or break your device they probably would charge extra if it were possible.

make sense, everything need internet to work, lol

@@hackdockage_1286 loser

But the Iphone 13 , 13 pro and the 13 pro max do take nano sims. I just bought one used and just switched my nanosim from my old phone to my new one.

Yeah they do but when I had an 11 and 13 I used the eSIM for my main carrier for security...cant take the SIM card out if it gets stolen@@marshallhughes4514

There's a reason why the US model is the only one without a physical SIM card. They want to change the US market before they go for the rest of the world. Europe/Canada may be next unless the EU makes laws against it.

They should sell an unlocked no carrier option that has a physical SIM and an eSIM like the Canadian iPhone 14/15

I live in Sweden and I can use my plan within all of EU, no extra charge. Do you really need to change carrier when traveling between countries? I think this is actually EU law to accommodate this

@@marcusellby But are the prices the same say in Sweden vs UK vs Greece vs Kosovo vs Albania vs Czechia or any other country in Europe? I guarantee I could find cheaper service in Greece or Kosovo by buying a local sim there instead of using a esim with a plan via Apple When you leave Europe its worst. I travel every other month and the prices with esim are outrageous compared to local physical sims in Africa, Southeast Asia, India or South America if the country even has esim. Why would I pay 5-10 times the price for the same service. Another example of this would be buying food in one EU country vs another when the euro first came out people were shocked at the different prices for the same thing across Ireland, France, Germany, Italy and Greece. There were huge differances in the prices of Wine, Beer and places like McDonalds for example. Then there is the issue of not every carrier that offers esim offers all plans on esim suchas prepaid plans, even in the USA you can find esim plans but its super hard to find them on prepaid plans and this is true everywhere across the globe.

@@marcusellby As you may be aware not all European countries are part of the EU, so yes, you may need to switch SIM cards depending on your destination.

@@marcusellby I travel continents for work, and part of my weeks routine. This one will make me give up on apple.

Then don’t get the new iPhone, it’s not worth the trouble. Either stick to 13pro and below or u can switch to android. Hopefully they bring the SIM cards back

you cant reuse stolen phones, you can reuse any normal phone obviously. What a weird way you interpreted that...

@@avgvstvs96 so let’s say you have a new phone and you want to switch to an older phone for the day how can you do that if your new phone doesn’t have an SIM card?

@@avgvstvs96 that’s weird that you would even interpret What I said as weird when he even said it in the video

Finally people are seeing the scene of the green agenda. Did you know that BP the oil giant were the ones to coin the phrase carbon footprint? Yeah about that do some research and follow the crumbs and you’ll be surprised how many people sit back and allow these idiots to govern their lives without even knowing it. Apple is no different.

This kind of thing should be able to be done on your carriers app/website. Want to use an old phone? Well it's going to need a physical card. I'm going to assume there's already one in there, but if not, you'll need to grab one.. once you've got that, you should just be able to log into your account, manage your number, and activate whatever IMEI and SIM you want to activate.. When you're done.. put in the IMEI of your newer phone and it'll generate a new eSIM for you.. yeah it's a pain.. but think of it like switching from the headphone jack to Bluetooth. Headphone jacks were great for "when you're in a pinch" but now that everything is wireless the pros outweigh the cons once everyone got used to it, even if Bluetooth can sometimes be a pain.

How would it be more difficult to switch to a non-Apple phone? Transferring your phone number from an eSIM to a physical SIM?

i feel the same way. i just wanna a iphone because most my family have one. but i dont plan for it to be my main phone. i still love my note.

Only the US iPhones are eSIM only. Everyone else gets a physical sim card slot + eSIM except for China who gets dual physical SIMs

Which country are you in currently?

Thank god it’s USA only so I don’t have to deal with it

What country?

@@samuel-wankenobi *yet

@@arjunsen8112 Trinidad and Tobago...hopefully this pushes carriers to update their systems

Out of interest with respect to signal issues, is the SIM swap you're referring to within the Sam's carrier or between different carriers? If the same, surely signal issues should be the same, if not better (and worst comes to worst, you can "reset" the eSIM)? (Genuine question btw, I'm not informed either way!)

@@fetchstixRHD I was referring within the same carrier, and yes eSIM tends to work better than physical SIM cards because I have a lot of customers that prefer eSIM and they (for the most part) experience less connection interruptions than those with a physical one, however I have seen instances where eSIM customers had to go as far as switching back to physical or filing warranty exchanges due to their phones simply not working at all with the eSIM and we all know warranty exchanges are certified pre-owned devices. I believe it’s just a hassle overall for both customer and carrier representative because the systems are not there yet and from personal experience trouble shooting or “resetting” an eSIM is about 90% useless

The eSIM is not hardware so should not have SIM issues and a reboot of the eSIM or a firmware update will fix. I am sure Apple will have technicians that can resolve that.

Travelers buy the phone and have international plans. You don't have to swap sim cards to go to a different country lol.

@UCC7xfSSswK_q_nbPQQAE-_A lol sounds like you work for one of the prepaid Carriers associated with company I work for… iPhone 13 launch was painful lol

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That’s correct, most forget about the past when this was definitely not an issue. Thanks for pointing that out!

Exactly! This is is a dumb move from apple

Yeah but I like swapping between phones through out the week , I remember when Sprint did that it made me mad because I knew other people you had T-Mobile in AT&t that didn't have to do that I believe this is a way to force people to upgrade their phones and trade their phones and because they won't be able to use them swap between them . When I swap phones it makes me hold off from upgrading to a new phone because once I get bored of the phone I just swapped to another phone that is older and it feels new again just for a little while

I still prefer SIM cards. eSIM makes it better for providers but harder for us, consumers.

Apple with their 'privacy focus' already has back doors for US government agencies. As far as I know they don't need a warrant to search either. It's not inconceivable that one could just criticise a politician and be tracked.

True!

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Not true 0_0

@@AnimMouse 😂😂

Every model except the US model has one eSIM + and one physical SIM (well the China/HK models have dual physical SIMs technically) so its not an either or.

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Yep. It lowers apple's costs and helps big carrier profits. That's it. No benefit to the consumer. Fuck apple.

Can use mint mobile and they have esim.

@@kingbucketz182 He might not be talking about the USA, and Mint mobile has had issues with esim like every other month just go read their reddit about people complaining

They aren't removing e sim 😂

Mint mobile is trash

Boycott iPhone. simple.

I agree, tried to do an eSIM earlier this month and its a nightmare man. QR codes don't work and carriers have implemented them so poorly.

It’s pretty simple…

Stick to riding horse.

@@Striker52C for me it’s been hit or miss, i’ve done esims about 10 times, not much but sometimes it is done in 2 seconds or other times it takes a few minutes

Apple is going to put a lot of enterprise on Samsungs with this.

Especially if the customers aren't tech savvy, that queue will be long as F!ck

I’ll give up my Apple if they go to esim

I have two numbers and they are both esims in the iPhone 13 Pro Max never realized till I checked.

Wrong, sorry. With iMessage, your argument does hold up, but for pretty much EVERYTHING else, your statement is plain wrong. Been a Mac and iPhone user for decades and not limited in any way.

Exactly. Soon charging port will be gone as will the volume buttons. Who needs that shit anyways right? Just takes up space. Then you will have people saying it's to make phone smaller (yet they have biggest screens ever lol) and more water proof yet... you can now backup just about everything so do we really need waterproof phones? I never dropped any of my phones in water period. To late now people already bent ass backwards and now here we are this is what the the phone industry is at. I only have consumers to blame. Thank god Sony doens't follow suit will be buying Xperia phones in the future already have X5ii and has everything on it that you can ask for.

@@iamdalibor Swiss army knives are a bitch for buttering bread. But hey, they have a dozen other tools that I don't need! 🙃

@@coolfactormac iOS is the most limited/restricted OS, iSheep. Wake up.

@@ViIgax But if it does everything that I need it to do, is it limiting me? Easy to hate based on general nonsense.

Unfortunately other manufacturers WILL follow suit

I hope so, because this going backfire. Not everywhere nation going have this new system.

There's never a big enough backlash against Apple. Too many adopters that don't pay attention. Any and every time Apple has removed something it has never come back.

@@danielromeo99 I highly doubt android will follow consider how many mobile brand are there

@@Saiputera Samsung a and pixel phones will . And really at this point no one else matters

Bruh, every drug dealer I know buys Nokia flip phones, easier to dispose off since you can break them in two and throw them in the bin.

Go full analog: can't hack a piece of paper, can't listen to a conversation when there's no recording device in sight. Pro tip: every speaker can be a microphone, so remove them as well wherever you conduct your business

@@9an13l I hear a quill and leather flap is great for security.

@@mannylupercio8194 at this point writing in regional cursive would probably be enough security lol

Lmaooooo

apple aint downfalling anytime soon

Apple is too big to have a downfall especially right now

Apple has been making different versions of iPhone, Watch & almost every other device for different regions since forever, you just don’t notice/ realise it, until you need to get your device serviced/ repaired/ replaced when you’re in a different region…

It's means that stolen iPhone 14 devices are useless outside the States.

Remember if apple does it first. Then Samsung and other phone brands will gonna follow soon so be prepared

Holy cow…I know this was most likely sarcasm but…hell, that would be too honest of Apple. Shame 😭

Or reasonably prices storage upgrade options.

Excellent point.

Removable storage is so much more useful than SIM. But Apple won't give it to you because they want you to pay a monty icloud subscription.

simple. if u want SD get an android. or utilize a work around for mobile physical storage, plenty exist and cheap! 😒

You can pay something like 20 or even 50 dollars per GB to your USA ISP in order to stay connected. Good to be an American.

It’s took 2hrs in t mobile for me last time 🤣

I switched to esim about a month ago and so far no issues

Just got rid of my razr which was an Esim. It’s a ducking disaster. If you break the phone you lose your phone until it gets replaced. Don’t get an esim phone.

It can either be a really easy process or an overly complicated annoying one. Last week I had complete hell trying to set up eSIM on my 13 PM. However, whenever I finally got it to work properly I installed another eSIM and that one went so smoothly. It took about 3 minutes total.

its true i work in the biggest telecom company in denmark and the issue with the qr scanner is truth to it we always need to contact Apple to activate it plus the waiting time for costumer can be hours its so stupid the esim

My question is who from America will go to a foreign country with this mobile which does not have e-SIM, then how will he use the SIM if he buys that country's SIM?

This has happened to me 3 times. Each time I was out of service on Verizon for 3-4 days. I had to port out and port back twice in order to get service again. Sucks man. Better have some Tylenol ready.

I work for verizon too and I’m not ready for Friday 😭😭😭

System?

@@michael.barlow i dont know. The bigger carriers provide roaming on other regional carriers. Without extra cost. When i travelled to the middle east for a couple of months with my dutch simcard it just said Roaming all the time but my bill was still the same.

Swapping between carriers will still be easy if you own an unlocked phone and aren't paying for bill credits over 2-3 years. With iPhone going eSIM all of the small carriers will quickly adopt eSIM. iPhone is the most popular phone in the US -- small carriers won't thrive without an iPhone option.

@@BC08 literal cope. That doesn't mean its a good decision

No i think Apple is gearing up to buy some carrier servers to make Apple 100% stand alone

@@chrisprilloisebola It’s not a cope at all, much less a literal one. It’s a fact

@@chrisprilloisebola Cope? Sim removal was predictable, and once samsung inevitably remove their sim trays in the next year or two, you expect the small carriers to only provide service to old phones? Theyve gotta adapt like everyone else. Same mfs complaining about DVD players not being common anymore lol

eSims are supported in europe. Anywhere. Tmobile and Vodafone have most of Europe, if not all, covered.

Thanks guys. I actually got my 14 pro in the mail today and it turns out the activation process was just like he showed in this video, uber simple. And you’re spot on about Europe & other commonwealth countries being accessible. I did a deep-dive last weekend and it looks like you can pre-activate on any network you want before you fly out to the said country so the minute you land, you’re ready to rock and roll! How cool is that? If this works like it seems it will, you could literally have like 4-5 eSIMs ready and just switch to each respective one as you cross borders. Rad! I think I may have been apprehensive about this whole lack of a SIM slot for nothing, guess we’ll see over the next few years!

Facts

Exactly the issue

What?

Exactly

@unboxtherapy003👉telegram the same issue with me

Since Apple has to build a version of the iPhone 14 series with a physical SIM card tray for non-US markets, there will be nothing but empty space where the SIM tray would be. It would cost too much to give only US iPhones new hardware that fills the space where the SIM tray would be. The only exception I can think of is for satellite connectivity antennas or modems.

Like what the guy in the video said, he will not buy a US version. America is Apple's home market. Sooner or later Americans will know they are getting an inferior version.

SOMEONE MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT THIS!

I have an iPhone 12 Pro , which as both ESIM and Sim Card slot and 90% of times configuring ESIM or transferring ESIM profile is a headache. Sometimes the service provider themselves dont have clue on how to fix problems. Once configured it works flawlessly though. For avoiding this headache I just use Physical sim

@Phillip Banes That's why I said the only exception I can think of is something related to satellite connectivity. Either a satellite antenna or modem using the extra room. We'll find out soon enough after Friday, when I'm sure iFixit will have a teardown.

"Still rocking my 13 mini." You talk like you've had it years it's barely a year old 😂

Bro don't reply to that guy 👇👇 Fake Unbox therapy account!

Same dude the mini rocks

5.4 inch vs 6.1 inch screen that's only 15% less screen. I think it's just the name mini- tricks ppl into thinking its alot smaller.

That’s me too. Small light phone that slips into my pocket. Can’t go big again.

HK & China use physical sims because of the law in China. All other manufacturers selling handsets in China all follow the same regulations. Apple had no say in the decision…

This is flat out false.

Nah. if u travel a lot, i suggest u buy a cheap phone with physical sim (u can even buy sim in country) and a decent digital camera. doing so means u dont have to worry about phone loss/theft and increases storage capacity for your memories.

But hangon, if you convert to an Esim, you still have the sim tray right to put a sim card in?? I'm based in Australia and have sussed out a few Telco's and they've all told me that the Iphone 14 when released will have a sim tray, so if I wanted to, I can convert my physical sim into an esim and I'd have a sim tray to put a physical sim in anyway, hence the phone being dual-sim

@@ananumatanu7621 For US models, there will no longer be a SIM tray, only eSIM. So there won't be a little drawer anymore. For European I think it will still be there, based on laws overseas.

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I think I saw on apples website that Esim setup won’t require Wi-Fi anymore

If you have enough money to buy iPhone 14 then you have wifi at home.

Will you be able to install the sim on multiple phones? Perhaps you could have a family plan on the one sim, and share it with your family.

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But how many people like to call customer service. I hate them & you could be on the phone waiting for a long time.

@@2078smith that's true. and one of the things i also hate to do on both ends. as a consumer and as one of those that work in a center like that before. i do believe there's self service options available. like what lou demonstrated. there's an app or portal to the carrier's website that would allow you to "upgrade" the sim information directly.

@high ping gaming --- Calling a call center is not necessary. Used Esim 2 weeks ago and bought it right on my phone, Took 5 minutes.

apple just needs to be like Google Fi and provide service when you travel. I had a xiaomi phone that did that, letting me pay $1 for 1gb of data for a day in supported countries

@@bruxi78230 i had the same experience when i recently upgraded. my last phone had a physical sim, and the new one activated via esim. it only took the same amount of time.

That’s true. I hope Globe and Smart would allow prepaid eSIMs already. I’ve been wanting to have dual SIM on my 12 pro.

Next time buy your iPhone from Canada and you will get physical sim tray.

Until more providers offer it since it can host multiple eSims. Honestly seems like it's another headphone jack issue. It'll be fine in the long term and other carriers and phones will follow suite.

@@mohammedalsarraf6016 Australia also offers the sim tray version

@@mohammedalsarraf6016 someone didn't read the comment...

jacked?

@@bigunclepanda1303 hacked

@@bigunclepanda1303 slang term for stolen. Makes more sense in this context to say "jacked" since its called sim jacking.

@@TechXTech91 i ordered the 14, im switching from a s8+, u think the convert will be easy with the sims

@@bigunclepanda1303 depends on your carrier more than your device. The hardest part is going to be switching from old Android to new iPhone. That switch isn't easy. Depending on how you use a phone personally, you might find yourself missing Android or you might not and nothing will change. I can bounce back and forth between De-Googled Phones and regular Android phones, but iOS doesn't work for me because some of what I do for work requires a rooted device

The market is obviously going to adapt since there will be demand for more flexibility.

Yep same here was going to upgrade but I'm not going to as I go for my Galaxy to my iPhone back and forth off and on

Go to Canada and pick one up

@@gibreezy Never been to Canada but I wanted to visit could really go just for an iPhone but maybe while I was there

Go with the Canadian version then.

Hopefully the US will switch to a QR-code based implementation, like the rest of the world already uses. Over here in Europe (Serbia) you just get a QR code delivered via email, no phone registration or anything required, which you can reuse as many times as you want and with as many phones as you want. I’m sad that the underlying technology and Apple is being blamed when really the US carriers should be blamed for making things unnecessarily complicated.

im with you

How does eSIM prevent you from swapping out for each country you visit? Genuinely curious, as I plan to do a substantial amount of overseas travel next year.

@@brendancoots When you go to the country you’re visiting, you could just buy a prepaid sim anywhere in that country, swap the US sim to the local sim and you’re done. As long as you have an unlocked phone. You don’t have to contact the local service provider to activate the sim. When you put the new sim, it will automatically activate the service. With e-sim, some local service providers don’t have pre paid e-sim. And there is the inconvenience of going to local service provider’s store to activate a service. This removal of the sim tray is actually going back to the CDMA age.

Just go and buy a EU model it still got the Sim tray

@@prospera93 10% more expensive than US models. And importing from Europe to the US will cost you even more with the taxes.

Won’t hurt apple, there have been many reason to not buy apple products but they still sell. At this point most people choose apple vs other companies. Not for the specs but because the brand.

Just get the European model.

That's what I'm saying esim isn't reliable same thing happened to use and we changed to physical sims and it solved the issue

Why would you go from the s22 to an iPhone?! 😂

@@DSN262 Samsung recently just got hacked and data was taken from them. I love android but want something with more privacy. Knox has been great up until now and the fact Samsung waited almost a month to inform people of this shows they are pretty shady

@@dasss_it Apple does the same, they have a couple of trackers. I know this sounds boring, but if you read their Privacy Policy page, you'll see that you aren't completely safe either. At least you have more freedom to protect yourself with Android, on iOS you have no choice.

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@@HansPeter-ft9hx there is a cost to access the data bases, integrate with carrier systems etc, it’s not cheap

what did the WEF say, own nothing and be happy

@@sonacphotos not smart

We've never had so much control with modern smartphones ffs 😂😂

this guy mark is one heck of a sheep.. commenting everywhere justifying everything samsung introduced water resistance even with headphone jack so you dont have to remove something. Secondly having sd slot , 3.5 mm audio jack, physical sim , charger and cable along the mobile is needed however you justify consumer need options. just like you don't like wired headset someone might won't like Bluetooth /tws headphones .

@@vishnutvm8587 Just buy Sony :) They still have everything!

You’ll just miss out on mmWave but it should work fine otherwise

90% of new phones don’t even have SD card slots anymore so that’s a moot point …

@@gibreezy Plus apple never did

I think the writing's been on the wall for a while. I can totally see them doing this as a middle finger to the EU

but you can't transfer data with magsafe, that's the only problem they have currently

@@s._81 I could see apple doing some wireless thing for transferring data. You know like they did with the signal going down the wire of earphones

@@FubarMike true, and with airdrop they made it a matter of tapping a button

sy only if you own only apple devices

genius

This is a very bad decision

Unless they pack magsafe chargers inside the box and magsafe gets faster then not a good move

Nah, you're wrong about USB-C. Next year they'll have it on iPhones, AirPods, keyboards, trackpads etc.

Maybe. But that would be in violation of European law. Apple will instead use the USB Type C port from the current iPad Air and Mini models instead to comply with European law.

3 countries I visited this year: Jordan: local SIM: 15GB data for 14USD Airalo eSIM: 1GB for 6.50USD, 3GB for 18USD Nepal: local SIM: 29GB data for 15USD Airalo eSIM: 1GB for 9,50USD Maldives: local SIM: 17GB for 35USD Airalo eSIM: 17GB for 30USD So without SIM card slot I would get screwed pretty badly in 2/3 cases.

With the headphone jack you could argue that it saved space. But the sim tray is only removed in the US models. So what does it gain over the other versions? Nothing. I doubt the EU will ever allow it, but Apple wants to create a phone with no ports/openings. Thats their dream.

Actually it’s not cheaper Airalo is $100 a month- where local prepaid sim is May be 1/3 of that The other issue is airalo doesn’t give you a local number. See how useful it is to get grab and Uber to work without local number

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Also on the front of phone plans - personally I prefer pay as you go (and outright purchasing devices) over contracts, one less financial obligation and the flexibility to cut costs or pay for more as required. Out of all the options I've tried checking here, I haven't seen (m)any that support PAYG. Not to mention the need to hand over more information about yourself to your carrier...

You can't blame Apple for that. Just make more money (sarcasm)

Hope we can stop this before this cancer spreads out till other manufacturers

It’ll hurt Apple if people don’t like it. The iPhone 14 is a warmed over 13 with crash detection so you can save money and get a sim slot. If you need the 14 Pro you could order it from another country if you just want a premium phone Apple aren’t the only game in town. Some Android phone maker are starting to offer more than a couple of years of OS support.

@Benjamin Jagun I personally wont be upgrading this year from my 13 pro max due to this, neither is my brother. Hopefully more people do the same.

@@alexisjavier84 Upgrade from 13 Pro Max to 14 Pro Max?

@@franciscodiaz5778 ??

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That's an opinion

@@chamdabber6899 how

@@mlalbaitero how can you even ask how is that an opinion when it so heavily is?

@@chamdabber6899 the amount of cons and pros for a feature (in this case the removal of a feature) is not an opinion, it's quantitative. Do you know what numbers are?

@@mlalbaitero I have sold it and used it since 2018, no I don't know the numbers, but I have seen plenty of the benefits and disadvantages to it on both ios and android