iRacing NEEDS to fix this... 

GT7 players: first time?

its a no fault system. There really is no way to "fix" the system

Explain to me how an algorithm can accurately determine who is at fault in a racing incident. 90% of this community can’t get it right after watching “who’s at fault” videos 10 times. Professional racing stewards sometimes have a hard time.

No one's turn looked safe, controlled, or thoughtful of other racers in this clip. To reduce incidents, drive defensively in these risky moments.

I totally agree with you! I got out of rookies a few weeks ago and that was holding me back. I have at least 20 clips of people breaking checking me and I get 4 points and spun out.

That's some "I just started iracing" shit to say. Rookie

It’s not a problem that can be fixed as it’s intentional. It’s a no blame system that is frustrating when working against us but beneficial when we make the mistake

Yep this is something you gotta get used to, iRacing's motto is "I don't care who caused the wreck everyone involved is getting penalized"

It is frustrating, sure, but the best way to avoid is situational awareness, patience, space, and reading the cars.

this has debate has always been around, since day 1 of iracing. the best argument I've heard: IRL if you have an accident, even if there's absolutely nothing you could've done about it, you're just a victim of circumstance, you still have damage that needs to be fixed. you still have costs because of that damage. You might even be injured because of an accident that you couldn't do anything about. it's not fair, but that's how it is. and that's how it's translated into the SR-system.

Name me a sim with a working blame system, I'll be waiting

You went skidding off the race line and corrected back into him… atleast that’s the way I see it.

An automated penalty system will never work perfectly unless you literally spend months training an AI for it i guess Alternatively you can have the system work just fine and a couple people get annoyed by it, then they forget the next day anyway

If you read the sporting code you would discover that incident points are not a blame or fault system.

The 1st thing they should fixe is the tire model that makes a spec miata drive like its on 15x15 slicks with no slip angle

Exactly this needs to be fixed Someone turned down on me, wrecked themselves, and I got 4 incident points. It is so annoying when you are trying to improve your rating

Yeah, I got rear ended after another two car accident happened behind me into a hairpin.. I got the DQ for incident points

The student driver livery is so funny 💀

It teaches new drivers how to be aware of upcoming incidents and to avoid them. Also, if a driver is looking into endurance racing, then this is the perfect way to learn how to survive first and foremost.

Totally agree! Sick of losing SA cause of other people mishaps.

iRacing rookies always has that hangry impatient driver waiting for you to slip up and run wide.

ahhh yes you are the first person in 10 years to notice this. truly a game changer to have a genius finally on iracing. please tell us more

Next, he is going to advocate for real life stewards watching every race and manually handing out X's

It is what it is, the gods of racing will want you to succeed or not. Same for everyone too ! Controlling emotions is crucial. Imagine having to travel in a motorhome all week to be taken out on first lap

Imagine paying a subscription for a Racing Simulation that ranks you. IRacing is a joke and it has one of the worst communities I've ever dealt with.

iRacing uses this “no fault” thing which basically gives you incidents if you get involved in the wreck no matter if it was not your fault. Its kind of dumb but it would be really hard to fix it.

I agree. Honestly, there's been too many a time where I've had nothing to do with the cause of a collison, but because of other driver's inability to control the car, my safety rating suffers. Extremely frustrating.

You can't fix this problem without live stewards. The 4x was not from the black car hitting you, but the spinning car hitting you mid spin.

People have been complaining about this for years now. It isn't going away anytime soon.

I mean, if the 4x really hurts you, then why by the end of the race were you so close to the max? I've never had an issue with these points. It all evens out in the end.

Ok I’m a subscriber of yours and you apparently haven’t been on iracing for very long and I say welcome and blessed to have you sir

This is really the most annoying part of iRacing - and also the shadow penalty when you don’t even touch the guy but are very close to the driver as he spins out himself

That boy was Tokyo drifting for a sec tho

Rudskogen norway 😎 i drive there often with motorcycles 😎

The Track is in Norway, called Rudskogen. that corner is called "Angsten" wich means: "anxiety"

Try getting black flagged on the start for passing on the inside to avoid a wreck because someone spins out before the start/finish line

That is how it should be. It’s not about who is at fault it’s just about contact. It doesn’t matter why you had contact, but you had contact…

That red and black Miata was trying out for the formula drift team

I’ve been spun by someone sending a turn using no brakes and given 4x incident points

Iracing: you watched him spin so it’s your fault. *10 incident points*

So this kind of thing has been a unfair quality of life problem for decades and they still haven't fixed this. They won't fix these kind of quality of life problems until another sim comes along and has a far more realistic experience for the users.

One of the reasons I quit iRacing. The points system is the worst. Getting points due to other bad drivers is so stupid.

The same reason I didn't renew my iRacing membership, 13 years of contents down the drain.

RR3E does this. A guy comes up behind me and hits ME while I'm on the racing line, I get points. For someone else's actions.

Rather than changing the no-fault rule, reduce the severity of each incident point. There’s no way they can fix this without altering the rules.

As others have said, incident points don't necessarily denote blameworthiness. It means YOU were IN an incident. Which makes sense in this case, that bend was overcooked.

😱 not 4x. You've got a brake pedal as much as the other guy, if you're really that protective of your safety rating

This is not a bug that needs to be fixed. It is how the sim is designed. All involved in contact get 4x. You were off line and sliding. He was on your inside. As you went wide out of control, you cannot then turn in on those overtaking you because of your mistake. If you refuse to learn from your mistakes, you are doomed to continue repeating them.

This is covered in the beginner’s guide. There’s really no way to precisely fix this, so it’s a no-fault system. It sucks, but you just have to get back out there and hope it doesn’t happen every race.

Slow down when the other cars sideways, leave room and you won’t get hit as much.

They're not going to fix this. It is 100% by design.

Lol. Everything is working as intended.

I read somewhere that this was actually meant to be a substitute for repair costs. Has anyone else read that?

The first premise in the iracing code of conduct is to ask yourself: Did I do everything I could to avoid that contact? If the answer is no, there you have your 4x

THIS SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT TO FIX

only this ?! they given us half a game with a full smile the penalty system is completely broken

I think the worst is to be lauched to the sky from behind and still get the 4x. At least contact from behind should not be penalized, it's ridiculous

it looks like the sensitivity scale of what determines a crash is way too high

It’s designed this way to be a no fault system, been on here 12+ years now, it’s not changing and at this point I’m kind of glad about it

Absolutely rage inducing.

Think of incident points as damage costs. In real life, it does not matter who is at fault, you have to pay for your own repairs until you learn to avoid accidents, even other people's.

yeah they really need to fix that tire physics lol

Fr bro I felt that last week

Yes exactly I’m saying the same … Im Loosing rating because of others crashing into me on purpose.. that’s BS

You actually get a 0x when the black car hits you and a 4x when you tap the car that was sliding ahead.

Its because you are doing Rookie races. It more forgiving in higher licenses. This is to make you more aware and avoid any contact. Higher licenses allows a fair amount of racing etc.

I have been iracing for 12 years now, they will never change it. They will argue if you didnt want any incident points taken off you should of slowed down and used caution

To be fair, if either of those touches had of happenned in isolation it would likely only be a 0x. But it was upgraded to 4x because they were close together. That's what the 0x-->4x line means. It's a good part of the system that helps keep minor incidents from ruining sr. Because it's a system of averages, generally safe drivers will increase thier sr over time, generally bad drivers will lose sr over time.

The reason you got that 4x is because you tipped the black cars back bumper enough to move him. Alone that would of been a 0x but since the other car hit him (pretty hard) it saw it as you having involvement in that collision due to the previous contact. All in all be more aware of the cars around you and give up the time or track position if you don’t want to risk it because coding these anomalies in will take a while, especially because the detection system is already best in class so they create the standard vs follow it.

Happens all the time in oval, someone made slight contact with me and then they wrecked someone else and it gave me a 4x

I got 4x the other night and didn’t even make contact with someone.

Can you try and imagine, just try really hard, and see the amount of coding required to have a fully aware AI penalty system that can adjudicate accurately a trillion different types of collision?

This is my largest gripe with iracing. I went all in on a simpit, dd wheel/pedals, etc. WAY in. Then after 20+ races I started getting into similar situations as I progressed through C license. I got so close to 4.0SR and some BS like this would happen in a string of bad races and I’d get smacked down below 3SR. The penalty system is not logical and I get so aggravated at it, that I don’t touch the game now for months. Getting into races just makes me so anxious that often times I just don’t know if I feel like dealing with it, so I just putz around solo.

Yea they really need to fix this it, it gets really annoying at times

Welcome to iracing. They can't tell who's at fault, so everyone gets penalized. Wait until you get disqualified for a 17x when you didn't cause any and come talk to me.

Ah, yes. The curse of the indirect kiss. ✌️😮‍💨

Full drifting the corner with zero control and blames the guys in front of him. Classic iracing move.

I had a car literally cut half the track on the grass to slam directly infront of me down the start straight and because I barely tapped his rear as he bounced off, even though nothing actually happened on my screen, I got points for it 😭

It’s So bad… trying to get out of d class mx5 at spa swear I’ve had 1 clean race and that’s when I started at the back.. every other time people just do DUMB THINGS 😩😩

I think people shouldn't worry about it because it all averages out. Safe drivers will always have a better score than unsafe even with incidents like this.

Yeah got a 4x today from someone locking up and hitting me, guy even admitted it was his fault

I just made it into C class but that was my biggest issue. People braking early, sliding into me, and etc, and I get the 4 x points for it. So damn frustrating

Its very hard for the game to perfectly account for what happened. You almost have to just adopt a mindset of not even racing but just staying away from people, even if it means dropping positions. Sometimes doing that will actually place you higher in the end

You would still have to repair your car irl sooooo yeah you could’ve been way more cautious, and that’s what they want!

It's ridiculous, they beat me in formation lap and -4X for me! 🤬

If a car rams into me at the start for no reason I get incident points so I have no clue why you wouldn't get incident points here when you could have done something. Sometimes you gotta let the faster car through.

I laugh when people argue that iRacing is a hardcore sim - until they fix the penalty system to punish only the dirty and the careless drivers, it's really nothing more than a game.

Your contact with the inside car turned him up into the sliding white car. You definitely deserved that 4x. I can only assume you have very few starts.

I get x17 from this all the time, and I only entered for safety points

You were involved in an incident. The incident involved heavy contact between cars. All cars involve get 4 incident points. There's nothing to fix.

Where did the black car hit you? I’m blind.

We certainly understand how frustrating these incidents can be. We understand that every iRacer will receive incident points as the result of being involved in accidents which they did not cause and were unable to avoid, particularly in the lower license levels. However, it is impossible for us to accurately determine fault for every incident that happens in every race. That is why we employ a “No Fault” penalty system and why we believe it is the best system for our service, given the number of drivers on the service and the number of races being run at any given time. It’s also why, given the comparatively high rate of accidents, our safety ratings formulas are very forgiving in the lower levels. We believe that anyone who is a safe driver will find it relatively easy to move to 4.0 rating in a short time. Over time, safe drivers will be involved in fewer accidents than drivers who are less safe. Those who are not safe will have to adjust their driving to advance their license rating. If you’d care to read more about the specific philosophies behind the ratings and licensing systems, check the iRacing Sporting Code.

If you don’t want any 4x, instead of applying throttle what about slow down when you see a car in front has a tendency to spin?

I’ve said this for years. And the stubborn a holes who defend this game to no end say “it’ll even out” or “just get better it’s a skill issue”. It’s always been an issue and until people stop dick riding iRscing, it won’t get fixed. I’m sure there is a better algorithm to figure this out by people who are much smarter than me. But again if their forums and Reddit keep defending this why would they fix it

I’ve been pushed off track and I get x4 penalties for it

Iracing needs to fix the garbage tire model first.

The system worked exactly like its intended to. You were involved in an incident with heavy contact so you got a 4x. Its not a big deal either. One 4x isnt going to get you demoted.

Welcome to my iRacing nightmare 😅

Simple. You have to understand, the AI thinks you just intentionally hit the black car causing a multi car collision. Which is kind of what happened

The black car hit you and both got a 4x. That is by design, nothing to fix