Gnostic: if you really want to know God, you have to get that special knowledge, do special rituals and become part of the super spiritual elite. Charismatics: If you want to really know God, you have to have this special second blessing, pray special prayers, get special knowledge about tongues so you can be part of the super spiritual elite. Hmmm, no connection, I'm sure.
Many charismatics don't believe this. Like all denominations, you have those who believe the Bible and those who are extremists who go too far in one direction. Otherwise, you could make similar connections to groups like the Reformed, as was joked about in this video. Even if the charismatic or the Calvinist is wrong, they can still agree on the important core principles of Christ.
lol. I can see why you’d say that based on extreme examples. But I think you’re following the right channel where you’ll discover those with a balanced theology who still believe in the gifts. Blessings.
Those with knowlwdge had a fine way of over blowing the point, same as the calculus wizard - Leibniz. God is the 'word' and the words (scriptures) cannot be broken... neither can they be fulfilled but in one way - continuous death. "Whoever strikes a man and causes his death shall be put to death." Exodus 21:12 - and what Jesus wrote in the sand. "Whoever takes a human life shall surely be put to death." ~ Leviticus 24:17 This is the 'Good News' of the man we should NOT have killed - 1 Corinthians 2:8 "Let the 'dead' bury the dead." I'm disgusted that it has taken almost 6,000 years for someone - anyone - to spot this. You are being led by 'hooks in your jaws'. As your 'own words' are condemning you. Knock knock. Anyone home?
I believe the quote in question in the video is "We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience" by Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. What I have always understood it to mean is that we're not just human beings experiencing some sort of spiritual or religious emotional experience, but that we are eternal spiritual beings having a human, world-residing experience until our deaths, at which time our spirits will be with God. And later, as some point, will come the physical resurrection of the body and those will be rejoined with one another, body and spirit. I never took the quote to be gnostic in any way, as in the body was a bad thing or just a temporary thing, and we'd just be spirits floating around for eternity without bodies. But I confess to not knowing the context of his quotation. Our bodies get hurts, get old, wear out, and die. Our spirits live on. I think that's all that he meant by the quote, but again, I could be incorrect. That's how I've understood it, however, and not in some "the-body-is-bad-but-the-spirit-is-good" sort of way. I can see how others might see it that way, though. Anyway, this was a very informative conversation, thank you Gentlemen!
Funny to call someone elses beliefs ridiculous yet you believe a zombie-god jewish carpinter who walked on water and you believe the canonical gospels are actually written by the apostle(contrary to biblical scholarship)
This is a good video. Suggestion: Interview with David Bercot. His book Will the real heretics please stand up. You guys do a great job informing the public
Jude 3-4 King James Version 3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
He seems to have an axe to grind with Reformed Theology. I wonder what his experience has been with people who claim it. While for some it has been an excuse for spiritual laziness, for others, like Jim Elliot, it has emboldened them to risk their very lives for the gospel. While some assume in their arrogance that God chose them because they were superior, others wonder in their meekness why he would ever choose them, because they are inferior. For them, election must be unconditional, for God would never have chosen them otherwise, since they were so hopelessly sinful. That's the opposite of the Gnostics, who believed they had the divine spark and were innately more spiritual than other people. They based their peculiar beliefs not on Scripture, but on secret mysteries that only the special-people could learn in a mystical fashion. That doctrine produces pride. But the doctrines of grace produce brokenness, humility, daily dependence on God, prayer, thankfulness, joy, steadfastness in trial, zeal for God's glory, and trust in His power and sovereignty. These things are not harmful to anyone.
I’m sure learning to have civil discussions about theological topics like this among friends accounts for the “razzing” you see in this video as well as what seems to be the prevailing culture among the remnant radio contributors. When we engage actual people face to face with those of differing views not just with theological ideas but with heartfelt concern and love for one another, it might seem strange when a “jab” is only laughed at and uncontested. I believe what cohorts like these are displaying is a type of patience and kindness you don’t get by mere internet interaction, where ideas are almost divorced from a person or more accurately, personal connection.
Thanks but I think its important to note on the Scripture- Tradition question, Ireneaus delineates the content of the tradition passed down from the apostles-- the doctrines he lists (incarnation, virgin birth, etc) are all found in or derived from scripture: Book 1.10 and Book 3.1. I dont see anywhere that he indicates a tradition, external to scripture, that is as authoritatve as scripture itself. Is that what you are seeing? Thanks
