Iron Fist Review & Return Of The Matrix - The Weekly Planet Podcast 

Did anyone else think Davos was Bullseye when he first showed up and threw tin foil throwing stars around?

Here's my HUGE rant about Iron Fist... The way I see it, there were THREE main problems with Netflix's Iron Fist. 1. A fundamental misreading of Danny Rand's character. As a trained master of kung-fu, Danny is not a confused, irrational, basket case, as depicted in the show, but centered, thoughtful, and even charismatic. The character as written and portrayed by Finn Jones is a whiny weirdo, whose motivations and strategies are ridiculously unclear. He's totally uncharismatic and almost painful to watch. 2. There's no THERE there. The previous three Netflix shows, Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, were all about something more than their superhero aspects. Among other things, Daredevil played upon Matt's inner-conflict between his religious faith and his desire for vengeance. Jessica Jones dealt very skillfully with the ideas of emotional abuse and manipulation. Luke Cage was heavily coded with themes about what it means to be a hero in the contemporary Black community. But what is Iron Fist about? Why did Danny decide to desert his post in K'unn L'unn and return to New York? Why should we care if he regains control of his father's company? 3. And finally, the biggest fail, and maybe the most important one, was the failure to present exciting or even convincing action. As a story about a kung-fu master, Iron Fist should have had the BEST action scenes of the Netflix series, instead, what we get is something on the level of a CW show, actually, Arrow's fight scenes are A LOT better. It seemed to me that the kung-fu was treated like an afterthought, in favor of endless boardroom drama. The skill level of Iron Fist himself was inconsistent to say the least - one minute he's taking on dozens of trained Hand fighters at a time, the next he's struggling against petty thugs and a totally untrained guy old enough to be his father. There were many more problems, I could go on and on. I could have forgiven EVERYTHING if the fighting was great, but it wasn't. I really wanted to like Iron Fist, I actually finished the whole thing, it was hard to look away from the train wreck.

"Green Lantern Corpse" would be an awesome Black Lantern movie title.

Goddammit this writing... 1. Danny: No more traps. No arrests. Now we deal with Bakuto the way we should have from the beginning! Davos: *kills Bakuto* Danny and Colleen: What the hell, man? You can't just kill people! There are consequences!! 3 episodes later Hogarth to Danny and Colleen: You two are wanted criminals. Either turn yourselves in, or prove your innocence now. Danny: I have to kill Harold. I WILL kill him and end this. Colleen: No, Danny. It's too risky. I have to be the one to do it. Danny to Harold during finale when he can just kill him: It's over. You're going to prison. *Harold then proceeds to get to his gun and shoot Danny. Ward arrives and shoots, kills Harold...* 2. Danny: I trust this person! Why don't you?! Danny 2 episodes later: What? I've been lied to! I can't trust that person anymore! Danny 2 episodes later: What?! I trusted you! Danny 2 episodes later: I can't trust you, but I need your help. Danny 2 episodes later: You betrayed me?! Danny 2 episodes later: *cries* You lied?! My parents!!

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Maybe the reason James has hidden his face for so long is because he's like that paper bag guy from Futurama, and his appearance will cause our life force to be instantly sucked out upon first sight. Looking forward to seeing it!

Anyone else disappointed that Nelson & Murdock were not Danny's lawyers when Harold frames him. That could have led to an Iron Fist DareDevil team up to get the tablet back and clear his name that would have been amazing.

I wish they had just scrapped the corporate intrigues all together and set the first two-three episodes in K'un-Lun leading up to Danny facing the dragon. It would have made it more impactful when he lost the fist if we had seen his struggle to get it at all.

I'm only 6 episodes in but some of the choices the show makes are baffling. I agree with Mason, Danny should have known to just say he maybe grew up in a monastery or something. And the Danny Rand character so far isn't very likable. I just started reading the current Marvel run on Iron Fist and Powerman, and that comic is great and alot of fun. Hopefully we get a Danny Rand that's more like the one depicted in the comic.

I love it, the best, no podcast like it. Tried to donate, said it was expired, makes me sad. #Ironfiiist

I've been waiting for the "non censored" version of iron fist weekly planet review. Yooosss!

James watches Supernatural...like 9 seasons deep? Fuck yeah! I love these guys.

can you guys upload the previous episodes on youtube? I have problems listening them on itunes in my country.

will the live event be up on the channel for all to see? or just for the contributors?

How about this for a new non-superhero character: a police detective working in one of DC's primary cities. I don't know of anyone doing that.

Internet: There's never any suggestion that Danny doesn't know what the internet is. He has no money and has no access to the internet -the other guy just happens to have a stolen one and offers to look something up for Danny. Lack of Mysticism: Maybe you guys didn't notice (!), but Madam Gao makes Danny fly across the room just by waving her hand in his direction, Harold comkes back from the dead, Gao talks about having been interrogated in the 17yh century, Gao is able to know what Colleen's grandfather used to tell her as a child, Gao is mysteriously able to see Danny when he sees her on a video monitor to his surprise. I think there just might be a little magic going on there.The climax of the show reveals that Danny experienced a foreshadowing of his encounter with Harold when he entered Shao-Lao's cave. Also Danny is being guided by the hawk (which also appears to be a manifestation of Shao-Lao) which has had a profound effect on his life. Seems to be a fair bit of mysticism going on there.

"Cape at the front AND the back" 1:21:29 Bruce Willis' character from Unbreakable

@weeklyplanet You guys should watch Garth Marenghi's Darkplace if you like The Mighty Boosh/Nathan Barley.

TWIST! Justice League Dark is really a lighthearted comedy because the regular Justice League is already dark. (I know what JL Dark is btw)

The Venom movie should be a slasher movie.

Did they already talk about Legion in previous podcasts ?

I think that there's somewhere in the neighborhood of a dozen main series Jack Ryan novels before it shifts characters. in the books he has a clearly defined character, just not in the movies.

This has been popping up on my feed again. I guess folks are looking for reviews instead of subjecting themselves to Iron Fist again 😆

(Iron Fist Spoiler... kinda...) I expected the Iron Fist be the Marvel Universe's own version of all things Martial Arts. That said, do a comparison between fight scenes from the show with similar scenes from different Martial Art Movies and ask who you think did it better? Episode 4: Hallway Hatchet Fight --- The Transporter Axe Fight Episode 4: Elevator Fight Scene --- Ip Man 3 Elevator Fight Scene Episode 5: Cargo Truck CQC --- Kiss of the Dragon vs Boxer scene Episode 6: Russian 2 vs 1 fight --- Prince of the Sun Cynthia Rothrock (Park Fight Scene) Episode 6: Weapons Master fight --- Ip Man vs Cheung Tin Chi Episode 8: vs Drunk Guy --- Drunken Master final fight Episode 10: Office Fight Scene --- Kiss of the Dragon, Taekwondo Twins fight Episode 10: Courtyard Escape scene --- Enter the Dragon Lee and Roper vs Han's Men Episode 12: Elevator Lobby Fight scene --- The Raid Machete Fight The examples I pointed out are usable search phrases. Even in those videos, while you can see where the physics defying wire stunts were happening, there's still a huge difference in fight choreography quality when comparing it to the Netflix show. I have no qualms with the Finn Jones race casting, nor the problems with the script (like severed fingers inexplicably regenerating after a resurrection and people just forgetting about it), but would it be wrong of me to feel underwhelmed by the action choreography shown in the episodes?

Does anybody know when daredevil season three is going to start?

The Co-host from The Gold Coast, Nick Mason :) Also, I think Stallone & Rosenbaum will just be two Nova agents that are after Ego for benign reasons

I'm a madman! I've watched the whole thing!

Monday mornings are the best, except for work.

Sweet vid, left a like :}

I was going to enter the contest but the series killed it for me

they should have done something like in the first Thor movie. When Thor got banished he just kept telling people he's from "far away" and only told people once he got their trust

A Clair Temple series with a Frontline tie in.

Those endings!

Also, fight scenes were like that because of the style they used. It's traditional Kung Fu, and is mostly concentrated on defensive approach, that's why it's slow, character doesn't fiercely go against enemies like Daredevil, his fighting style isn't as aggressive. Actually show was pretty faithful to this style of martial arts and it really impressed me, you don't usually get old traditional Kung Fu in media.

Bloody good stuff mate

Danny does have flashbacks to his fight with the Dragon. They apparently spent to much on his light up fist or that plane to give us an actual dragon.

Danny rand reminded me of Joffrey at times

i freaking loved Iron Fist. probably one of my top favorites

How about a one shot where you just answer letters while intoxicated?

please upload this the same time as the podcast.

I can't believe you never brought up when Harold compared the Iron Fist to a sex toy. I lol'd when he said that.

Sooooooo does coming back from the dead inexplicably regenerate severed fingers and magically make people ever forget it happened? That's quite a step up from Daredevil since Nobu was burned in season 1, but when he came back in season 2, the burn scars were all over his face.

Darth Mau and the Obi-Wan Kenobi fight was kind of like an old western. when the antagonist and protagonist finally meet the drama and the tension was in the build-up to the fight not necessarily the flight itself. kind of like The Good The Bad and The Ugly or they stare at each other for like 25 minutes LOL and the fight is over in 5 seconds it's all about the build-up mate.

Will the D&D event be filmed and put online? I would love to see and/or hear Nick Mason play Dungeons & Dragons ^_^

I would love a good spawn movie!

I enjoyed Iron Fist more than Luke Cage, but I'd like to have had a bit more Defenders set up in this one. There was also a Game of Thrones reference near the start, in the hospital, "Ward Meachum sends his regards"

I expected this show to be on same level as Daredevil season 1, just with lot of amazing kung fu fight scenes and focused more on asian culture. Something like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon meets superhero origin TV show. It was still decent but it could have been so much better.

Iron Fist was a good series... could have been paced a little faster... but as a whole... it was equal, maybe even slightly better, to Luke Cage (mainly because Iron Fist is more consistent and Luke Cage ended in a bit of a train wreck). It's definitely strong enough to prove that all the negative critics were wrong about their analysis of this show. It was very watchable... very enjoyable. Very re-watchable the closer we get to The Defenders being released.

Davos said Danny was the first outsider to be chosen to become the Iron Fist

21:00 "Ambush Bug" I agree wholeheartedly, but Deadpool's stolen much of his schtick.

Iron fist is fine, it's not the best Netflix marvel show. Also they didn't do any of those patented villain or hero flashback to childhood scenes to see how they tick

"the Iron Fist is his girlfriend in Canada" Hahahahahaha...perfect

The Iron Fist series is, at best, 6 episodes of narrative material stretched out to 13, and done in the clunkiest way. It was so obvious that many scenes in every episode exist purely to kill screen-time. The film-making adage that one should "go in [to a scene] late, and get out early" sure has hell isn't applied in these Marvel Netflix series. Just horrible.

Danny Rand has NO street smarts, his honesty is his weakness. He doesn't know when he should lie and uses his smarts.

I don't believe Witta either, how long do you think before we get a Darth Vader movie?

He's not dumb, he's just naive. That's actually understandable, guy spent 15 years in a monastery. He doesn't necessarily understand people. But he learns, remember the Hand compound, he starts seeing through lies. His anger and twitches are understandable too, his parents died and he was raised mostly by training, he has psychological issues.

I really enjoyed the Meachum corporate and family drama that I watched. The Iron Fist stuff seemed oddly irrelevant to the bulk of the character development. I would happily watch a Ward Meachum and Hogarth centric corporate/legal cinspiracy anti-hero show

I think that the only one that could beat him up maybe is daredevil because Luke cage and Jessica Jones can't fight that good without powers Luke cage could just have his powers useless cuz the iron fist daredevil has fighting abilities so it'd be a good fight

How was Blade: Trinity not David Goyer's fault? He directed and wrote it! And besides, Wesley Snipes behavior may have been a bit off-to be charitable-but what you don't ask is WHAT caused that behavior (I've read it was essentially a passive-aggressive response to Goyer's ham-fisted directing)?

I think the problem is too many people expected DD Season 1, and that's really, really hard to live up to.

I agree, if they make a Matrix sequel it HAS to be set in 1999. HAS TO BE. Also Iron First was fine. Wasn't great. wasn't terrible. It was fine. Got better as it went along.

I agree with this review of Iron Fist. Few times I was yelling at TV for Danny not to be such an idiot but on the whole really enjoyed show.

DEAD AGAINST a MATRIX prequel ..... but originally, the Wachowski' had the world of THE MATRIX 'reload' back to 1984 because the machines only really knew the reality of 1984 to 1999 so human kind lived the same years over and over (so I guess this means they were re-writing the memories of the pod people to have different birthdays every 16 years or something)

please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't comic Danny Rand a joker, and funny character. if so people defended​ the decision to keep the Netflix character true to the race of the original but if that's the case why didn't they keep his personality also

I'm sure someone will accuse me of being a fanboy... but honestly I don't think people really "get it"... I mean.. think about it... he was taken when he was 10... 10 years old is still a time when kids believe a lot of crazy shit... maybe not santa claus crazy... but still.. the whole concept of chi and stuff is pretty believable to a 10 year old. So now this guy with this perspective was taken to a place where these ideas are common place and spends 15 years in it... it makes sense that it wouldn't occur to him that other people wouldn't believe in it right away. Then with him getting on the students... of course he did.. that is what he grew up with! It was an insight into his upbringing. And why would they teach him strategy that doesn't apply to guarding the gate? That is his whole mission as the Iron Fist. He is perfectly suited to do what they trained him to do... but what he is doing is far outside of his (new) comfort zone....

Superior is way more like Captain Marvel then Superman. That being said, Matt Vaughn should do Jupiter's Legacy

the guy who played Zhou Cheng would make a great Nightwing, anyone else think that?

They show the just before he fights the Dragon. You see the Dragons eyes in a cave.

I can agree that Danny Rand wasn't cast very well, but I disagree with the narrative that his character is written too "dumb". He was a 10 year old, coddled, sheltered, rich momma's-boy when he's thrown out of our world (after watching both of his parents die) and sent to live in a feudal era civilization that did literally nothing but prepare him to be a living weapon. That's not a recipe for a well adjusted, functioning member of society in our world. I don't really like Finn Jones' portrayal, but I think he did convey that sense of childlike naivety, and reasoning of just smash your face at it to try and solve a problem, pretty well. I think the character work, acting and story were actually solid, and the action sequences and pacing were the real glaring flaws.

Mr Sunday movies is wrong. Maul wanted Revenge on Palpatine for killing his family. His quest for Revenge against Obi-wan ended in Clone wars.

I really like Iron Fist. I don't understand most of the criticisms it has received. It seems like people don't pay attention to the details. Danny was 10 when he was effectively killed in our world, and then he was taken against his will to a repressive monastery where the monks beat him and he never had the time to mourn his family. Of course he'd be naive in our world. The last time he was in it he was a little boy. And as for the action, they tried to shoot in like comic panels but it doesn't quite work until the challenges. And the drunken master fight and gate fight are both great. And as for him not being as good as Daredevil at fighting, Daredevil gets hammered to shit in fights against Russians and biker gangs, yet Danny barely even gets hit by the hatchet mob. I felt all the fights showed how OP he was against street level thugs, even if they were a bit schizophrenic in their execution. I also found Danny to be quite believable in the situation he was put in. His naivete and trust is to be expected as he hasn't seen these people since he was a child and has no idea of their actual intentions. But you see him grow and figure that out. I also want to add as a martial arts film afficionado and a fan of hong kong cinema in general, the fights are no where near as bad as people are making out. I get that some of them are subpar, but some of them are very entertaining. Hatchet men. The challenges. Drunken Master. Bakuto in the bunker. The daughter of the dragon. The gate fight. Davos. I think people are just parroting what they have heard from others with regards to the fights.

But you have to call it The Matrix Rebooted.

what if in the new matrix everyone is stuck in the same time repeating the whole year without knowing

Mason has a Mohawk?

Hey Mr Goat, you could say cohost with the homost? A subtle but charming dig. You're welcome. :)

ultimately iron fist is dissapointing...however its not horrible..unlikable protagonist but culd easily been fixed with character development later on...personally liked the story better than daredevil s2 hand stuff with elektra tho...some great fight scenes tho weaker than daredevil...the story with ward was much more interesting early on only...i say dont change the actor for danny rand tho...i think he is portrayed as the writer intended nd i understand the actions he chose...but i look forward for him in defenders. in the end its probably a 6/10 or a 7/10 at best...not the best but not the worst

I also like "The Losers" A better live action version of Suicide Squad.

The majority of previous Iron Fists were Asian, though I believe at least one was Middle Eastern...? Anyway, Danny always believed that he was the first "outsider" to take up the mantle, but that was because Orson Randall abandoned his duties and fled K'un-Lun (just like Danny did in this series) and those in charge of the mystical city basically tried to cover it up, hunt him down and erase him from their history.

Wasn't interested in Luke Cage and I'm not interested in Iron Fist. I was gonna jump back on for the Defenders but that's apparently coming out midway through this year and as far as I know it's currently only a couple of episodes long so I have no hopes for it. There's also a Punisher thing happening at the end of the year so I have a very "ugh" and a *tug of the collar* feeling.

I was really engaged in the first half it had so much potential but it never went anywhere and the motivations made no sense. Also anybody else Danny Rand he looks like Jake Lloyd?

I LOVED Iron Fist! It's as good as Daredevil. I love that it had more character and wasn't just punching like Luke Cage. I loved every character especially Danny. He is definitely my favorite defender. The Meachams were a very interesting family. And I loved all of the Hand storyline. I'm glad they didn't have all that race crap like in Luke Cage. It was so annoying and made it divisive. He was raised by monks what does his race have to do with it? Man yall are hating so hard on it. It was so good though.

Madame Gao is Bae.

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I believe they said Danny was the first outsider to become the Iron Fist.

Cant wait to see your goat face.

Iron fist is clearly a better kung fu guy than daredevil imo because he has no real problem at beating a load of the Hand's best fighters, where as daredevil has had many a problem with fighting them. That being said, the kung fu in this was no where near as entertaining as in daredevil.

I havent watched it all yet so.... and ive jst finished ep6 so im yet to get the good stuff? But im disappointed by the whole 'i can take on 7guys with battle axes in a narrow space but cant take out one guy and protect another from being stabbed' wtf?! like at this point in the series, i feel a blind man with devil horns would do a better job!! Even daredevil could 'see' a martial arts kick coming before it hits! And ye i agree the first eps are like filler...Also so far the 'iron first' isnt being seen at all. I thought it would be a guy with a hell of a punch but naahhh (not so far anyway). Even without he Chee or what ever he should be able to just sweep the floor and take out a bunch of guys! He seemed kinda...i dunno like rage-y at first - almost hurling off the top of the car park in the car in 1st ep? Im SO glad they're coming together too!!! I was hoping or a daredevil appearance too - or something!! Daredevil is still definitely my favourite. Theres soo many annoying things in this series i hope it gets better D:

I could barely finish the first episode,I had to force myself through it and I don't know if I can do that again..

If you thought Misty Stone was the most insufferable character, wait until Colleen Wing shows up 😂

Iron fist was good. the first 6 episodes dragged but I enjoyed Finn Jones as Danny (hopefully he gets a little more built in the fututre) and loved Jessica Henwick as Colleen. But the last 6 episodes were amazing! That Davos and Danny confrontation about the fist and why Danny left Kun Lun was great also Harold Meachum was great and I loved him!!! I'd say that this more Danny Rand... the show and not Iron Fist yet because he isnt THE Iron Fist yet and it makes sense why he doesn't have the costume

I just finished the show. I gave it a 2/5 stars. Its a really really huge step down from the quality of the other shows. Daredevil is nearly flawless for both its seasons. Jessica Jones is great, Luke Cage is kinda boring and a meh character portrayal but serviceable. And Iron Fist is just a terrible show with terrible acting and worst of all terrible fight choreography. Theres really no excuse for an organization that made such amazing low budget scenes like Daredevil's that are iconic now. There's no attempt at danny wearing a costume throughout the entire show. He's shown as whiney and a coward and an idiot for a guy who according to just the show's logic has been training and meditating his whole life. His "center" should be a lot more centered even if he's a 25 year old naive guy.

I'm interested how The Matrix is going to look like in the reboot....It will probably suck.

I think Finn Jones did ok, and I like that Rand is naive and dumb. He 25 years old! He's the youngest Defender, he should be naive.

Honestly I'm done with live action Superhero shows and movies for the most part with exceptions for the good shit Been watching stuff like Young Justice and Teen Titans Having a way better time

I hated that Danny would talk about something absolutely crazy and would get frustrated when they don't believe him. "Yeah, I'm from an unknown monastery that's only seen for a short period every fifteen years." OF COURSE THEY DONT BELIEVE YOU! YOU SOUND INSANE!

The reason that Danny Rand is so naive is because Finn Jones said in an interview the trauma he went through in the plane crash and the death of his parents, and being hit with sticks, has stunted his mental growth. The reason he acts so immature and impolsively is because he's supposed to be a 10 year old boy mentally. Unfortunately, I don't think the show got that to come across well

Am I the only one who likes Iron Fist? I've seen four episodes and I love it so far.

So is Mr. Sunday a Blink 182 fan?

Dear lord now Luke Cage season 2 and Black Panther movie. Will suffer the inevitable backlash from a certain demographic, for obvious reasons no doubt.