Here I am, a man in his mid thirties reminiscing on my childhood favorite show and then I found your channel. Loved this thanks my man. Completely agree with your conclusions. The backdrop of an actual war would definitely make a difference here in experience.
I'd give the win to Irvine... just hands down Irvine. ⚡also finally I clicked on this video just as fast as the Saix :). Why Irvine? 1. Though not as hardened in battle as Van, Irvine's battle experience is still higher than that of Brad. Brad may have fared well against the fury but it was only due to his better hardware which is the fox. 2. Remember that Irvine's lightning Saix is not the same as Jack Cisco's Saix or any Saix Brad has fought. It has a better bond with Irvine and know's exactly how to work with Irvine because it carries the battle data and parts of the core of his old command wolf. That's just not some stolen hardware, you have the battle experience of the Command Wolf plus the high speed performance of a Saix new body. Even in the anime, the bond between Zoid and Pilot counts as well. 3. Though more advanced and more maneuravable, the saix's speed and fire power alone plus Irvine's move's especially those he pulled out using the Saix from Guardian Force proves that he can beat Brad who in my opinion gets an advantage due to having better hardware and fare enough battle skills. 4. Irvine knows exactly how to fight with the saix as given the battles he had with his Saix+Command Wolf Zoid than Jack Cisco whose experience is based on a contest. That High Speed battle against a storm sworder from guardian says a lot about how Irvine is able to pull a surprise hit against a flying Storm Sworder in long and close ranged battle. It was unreal LOL But that's just my opinion i still think this is a great Video :)
Thanks for watching! I definitely agree Irvine’s a much better pilot (and better character in my eyes) but I still think Brad edges up on top. The only reason I didn’t go too in depth on your second point, is because we don’t actually know how the memory implant actually affected the Lightning saix. In the episode G-File Fiona states the only reason Irvine could control the saix was due to the command wolfs memory bank being inserted, to me, that sounds like the saix is being held back so Irvine doesn’t loose control. Whereas people like Jack, Kelly and Kris can fully control their saix. But this point is really hard to prove as it’s not explicitly stated outside of the one line from Fiona, so as it could be seen as either a buff or a nerf, they just balance back out to 0 and I decided not to factor it in. Irvine certainly has a lot more feats to factor in though! But then again, we saw him with the saix (and as a character) for a lot longer, Brad only had the fox for 6 episodes so it didn’t get a long time to shine. It’s really a tough battle and a hard one to scale, and I can’t lie I’m a big Irvine fanboy so I wanted him to win, but after rewatching a lot of key battles and taking everything into consideration I’d personally still put Brad on top, even if only just.
@@Viseak I get the point, But the Saix from Guardian Force was still in its experimental stage and that Dr. D doesn't really know how to fix the overwhelming power it has. To me the Saix from New Century Zero were the weaker Saixs since I'm pretty sure that adjustments have been made to make it more manageable to pilot. So I have to discount Jack and those two women as being more capable. If anything, the transplant of the command wolf's combat data to the Saix from Guardian Force fixed the system issues of potentially killing the pilot with its overwhelming power. While the Guardian Force Saix was one of a kind, the Saix from New Century weren't as remarkable as Irvine's. My analogy is exactly like that of the Blade Liger from CC and GF vs. Mass produced Blade Ligers in Fuzors. To me, Brad's edge is just hardware and the Saix isn't that less of a Zoid when pit with the Fox.. Jack and those 2 women just didn't have Irvine's combat tactics to finish the job. Irvine can even pull some very precise moves and shots like he did against that possesed Dibison. To me Brad doesn't stand a chance. But hey, to each to our own right? This video is still 100% very enjoyable to me, as I am both a Fan of Irvine's Saix and Brad's Shadow Fox.
@@jdexcalibur1989 that’s it man, like theoretically there isn’t anything proving your point wrong. It could go either way cause there just isn’t enough proof which is a shame. I can’t fault ya at all for thinking Irvine’s saix is much stronger than average, I’m just not convinced, and considering the conflicting evidence I just had it as a nil point, I still kinda touched on it tho because I knew it’d be a point that’d come up. Zoids can be real tricky to powerscale hey? Cause realistically it’s niche, so there isn’t as much solid info for scaling as there would be in something like Naruto or Dragon Ball, plus it’s a mecha so you gotta take a pilot and their machine into consideration. It’s still plenty of fun though and I’m keen to do more
@@Viseak true //:) also thank you for bringing Zoids and the discussion of this awesome series (minus fuzors) some light especially in this times :). I look forward to more videos from you King! 👍Zoids related or not we're here to support you all the way!
I've got Irvine winning both scenarios the difference in their abilities to pilot zoids is too great, I do believe the fox is the the more versatile zoid but if you give someone who's a superior pilot a much faster zoid the only way brad is going to win is with a surprise factor which is possible but I've got Irvine winning 8/10 times against the fox and with just the command wolfs I have him winning every time. Also I'm pretty sure not 100% on this but Irvine never lost a fight with the saix unless it was a god tier zoid like the geno types or death stinger
Honestly Irvine’s good don’t get me wrong, but I just don’t think he’s THAT good. Personally I’d put him on slightly higher level than Jack Cisco, who’s also a pretty insane pilot to be fair. If Irvine were alive during NC he’d definitely be rolling in prize money getting bored in a similar fashion, but by the end of NC I’d say Brad and the Shadow Fox could take someone like Jack, and in turn defeat someone like Irvine. There’s no doubt Irvine has fought tougher enemies, but those are never a 1v1, and we all saw how Lightning Saix’s (literally 3 of them) faired against a naked Berserk Fury, sure none were piloted by Irvine but still, Brad and the Fox fair a lot better against a fully armoured Fury on the final Ep of NC Honestly I can’t fault you for saying Irvine wins though, like the battle is so fair it could go either way, but I still reckon Brad would come out on top in the end
@@Viseak I think maybe the difference between our perspectives is how we think each era stacks up to each other in terms of pilots, personally I think the chaotic century pilots are far better then the new century ones simply because of the environment they've had to adapt to, fighting for money is competitive but nothing compares to war where one mistake can cost you your life, also love the videos keep them coming.
@@unknownsavagery4015 nah I fully agree with that, I reckon CC bred some insane pilots, especially with Van and Raven in particular, but personally those two are the only pilots (aside from ancient Zoidians like Reece and Hiltz) that I think are leaps and bounds ahead of their NC counterparts. Whilst the experience of fighting for your life in a war would be absolutely insane and improve a lot of your skills, I’d argue in real life, we see some insane athlete’s that fight for sport and money, that could most likely best a lot of real soldiers. Plus overall the Zoids themselves from NC are just plainly stronger than their CC counterparts.
@@Viseak I think your real life example is good but only to a certain extent, I think an athlete in combat sport would best soldiers in their sport but I think when it came to life and death they would lose more times then they win and relating this back to new century, imagine every single time someone's combat system was frozen they died, that's what CC life was like. I will say that NC obviously had much better technology and the average zoids was superior with exceptions from CC like the geno types, deathslinger, deathsaurer and maybe Vans bladeliger AB
I’m definitely keen to make that video too! I’ve got another project or two I’m working on first, but I’m hoping to finish a review on it by the end of the year
With this video I realized how versatile Shadow Fox truly is. But in some cases machine's performance not really a thing that decide the result of a battle, yet on the other side both character was indeed an experienced fighters,
Considering the phylosophy of Guardian force is Being as good or even better than your machine.( remember , Nobody at that time was able of piloting the Lighting Saix . Irvine was the first pilot in histoty to put in under his control)
That was a very nice and thorough breakdown of all the factors to consider in the hypothetical fight. I definitely agree with all the points you made there, also enjoyed how you justified your takes on the zoids with actual fragments of the episodes. Overall it was a nice breakdown and a nice video as always. Now i'm really looking forward to your take on Zoids Genesis, i feel like i'm not the only one who thinks it's massively underrated due to not getting out of japan, but heavily good storywise and on par with the og series. Also looking out for more Gundam content, cheers mate! Great video!
Thanks man! Who would’ve thought re-watching Zoids Chaotic and New Century back to back every weekend for years as a kit would actually come in handy later down the line, remembering all those little details from episodes hahahaha Genesis is REALLY underrated, (that will probably end up being my title for the video lol) and I am super keen to get into it and make a review. It deserves so much more recognition
Im pretty sure you already seen this video before and its a good reference for the outcomes ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-P1qNjeJCDnQ.html
I find it pretty funny that over the weekend my friend asked me Hey do you remember that 1 transporter girl from Zoids Chaotic century? And I was like oh hell yeah Moonbay and then My friends and I just sat and talked about Zoids for no joke five minutes lol. It mainly protrained to how much we liked the original chaotic century as well as new centuries 0 but when I brought up guardian force my friend did brought up the fact that he didn't like that version and so did my other friend and then I listed some of the reasons why I would think they wouldn't like the future storyline and then I realized wow lol. It also didn't help that they both pretty much forgot that it was technically the 2nd season but it was still a part of the 1st season it's just that it took place in the future with most of the characters all grown up which I don't blame them. Anyway soild vs. Match as usual and man it felt good talking about Zoids again.
AHHHH YEA! This one actually showed up in my feed. This is honestly a fight I never really thought about until seeing this video. Do have to agree though. I really like the the Saix(it's up there as one of my favorites), but as you said it's just not as versatile as the Fox.
Ha nice! Great to see the YT algorithm blessing your feed What I really like about this fight is how fair it is, especially compared to Bit Vs Van, I really had to nerf Van a lot in certain aspects to make it interesting. Whereas with this fight, you could realistically make arguments for either side winning and not truly be wrong This one really played with my biases too, as the Fox is easily one of my favourite Zoids, yet Irvine’s up there as one of my favourite Zoid Characters haha
@@Viseak oh for sure about having to nerf van a little bit. Dude is a monster with and without zeke. But yea, this one is definitely a more even fight. Early anime and late anime.
I always felt that while Irvine' Saix might be faster than the norm, Brad's experience with that Zoid type would balance it out. Combine that with Brad's tactics I think it would be a close win for him, but still a win.
It would definitely be a really close fight to say the least! I agree Irvine’s saix does feel more powerful compared to others, it’s probably due to the higher stakes and larger battles in Chaotic Century, tied with less Zoids featured to really outshine the Saix’s abilities.
I think that might be because there is only one Lightning Saix in CC. When Jack brings in the Tasker sisters with their own Saix, claims they have perfect control and still winds up getting beat they kinda lose their gloss - at least he could claim three on one with Harry and the droid as partners being little more than handicaps but the sisters ruined it.
@@psychedashell Well my thoughts were always that the first Saix was too high performance (We were just lucky Irvine could handle it) and that all other Saixs that came afterwards had their specs lowered for pilot safety. So while Jack and the Taskers did have perfect control, their Saixs weren't as fast as Irvine's, simply to ensure they wouldn’t be as affected by g-forces. Just head-canon, but I think it makes sense.
@@SleepTastesGood Solid theory. Mine was always that the core of a Command Wolf made the difference. Lightning Saix is a cheetah (which as a real animal of Earth is known to be a feline but has the personality of a canine.) so through the development they kept making the mistake of implanting the Saix with feline cores like Attackkats, Ligers and Zabres and it kept rejecting them and potential pilots until Irvine's Command Wolf was the donor.
Back from the Initial D video because I was sure I'd missed some Zoids videos haha. I always felt like Brad had the better Zoid, with more utility, but that Irvine was always the better pilot. And I think Irvine's skills would have outlasted Brad's advantage in the Zoid department. I take Irvine's non-garbage performance in his Command Wolf vs. Raven's Red Geno Saurer (arguably my favorite CC/GF fight) and later Geno Breaker (which, you know...could have gone better but...) as well as his co-performance with Thomas in the Storm Sworder to shoot down the Hammer Kaiser as the deciding moments. Ironically, not a single one with him in the Lightning Saix, though I would estimate he's way better than Jack Cisco as a LS pilot. The biggest thing is, he was fighting for his life, so much of that time in just a Command Wolf, while Brad was a mercenary who was battling in regulated fights and fighting for a payday. That said, Brad's moment against Vega to make an opening for Bit and the dual Strike Lazer Claw against Bit were two of my favorite Brad moments. Also loved how he makes that opening in the first Elephander fight in his Command Wolf. I wouldn't pick Brad (and that moment in the episode where he gets the Shadow Fox and just kinda...falls down the hill in his Command Wolf makes me cringe) but I understand why you and maybe others would - he had such bright shining moments. In the end, I love both characters and they're probably both my favorite deuteragonists in Zoids as a whole but I still think Irvine's resourcefulness as a pilot would outweigh Brad's own exceptional skills and Zoid advantage if they ever had the misfortune of battling.
I am going with Irvine on this one. The Shadowfox may have more toys but that alone does not bridge the gap in experience and skill. The hologram function in Irvine's lightning Saix is used primarily to fool weapon systems so Brad being able to see through them doesn't really matter and such sight can be turned against Brad through his own smoke and other kicked up debris. The suprise factor also works both ways as Brad would be completely ignorant of the hologram function of Irvine's Lightning Saix, and when that is combined with the speed of the Lightning Saix, all it takes is that one mistake and it will be all over for the inexperienced Shadowfox. Brad isn't expecting a hologram function so he wouldn't be having those sensors on.
I'm so excited for this video, Irvine is still one of my fav pilots in the series and this was a great showdown piece (both pilots have awesome zoids anyway in the first place so they both would be fairly neck to neck in a battle). I look forward to more of these!
Irvine is easily one of my favourite characters from the series too! and the Shadow Fox is up there as one of my favourite Zoids, so I really had to try and keep my biases in check for this one haha
-Irvine a better pilot. -Shadow fox a better zoid just losing the upper hand on speed. Considering Irvine never lost and ne owned every oponent he got in front most of the time ( not mentioning Death stinger or Geno Breaker) i'd say he's winning 6/10 times. My problem with Brad/Barad is he just looked so B pilot with his Command Wolf. irvine even with his old Zoid was a competent Pilot. He even was the one piloting a Storm Sworder to take down the Death stinger in space... he's so much better than Barad. And even with the New zoids. Compare their battles against the Geno/berserk type zoids. I always said this , comparing someone who's piloting for sports than a Guy fighting for his life is not Fair. The edge and Rules are just so Different and the Guy Fighting for his Life would Win most of the time. That's my opinion at least I can see ways of Barad winning this , as i said before , for me the Shadow fox is the better machine. But , irvine is the better pilot and i consider that a lot more important Great video
Aye, cool that this is becoming a series. Watched the first and here I am for this. I 100% agree with the breakdown and outcome. Irvine is just out-gunned by the Shadow Fox Brad has. But going back to the Command Wolf, Irvine can let his experience shine. Episode idea: Raven VS Vega. Feels on brand, you did the main protags, you did their merc sidekicks, now how about the young prodigy antagonists?
Another great video Viseak! The Lightning Saix would benefit from a really open battlefield with minimal terrain but I still agree that the Shadow Fox would have the upper hand in all other scenarios
Thanks man! You’re right a lot of it could come down to the battlefield they’re put in. If it’s literally a wide open field the Fox would struggle, but any change in terrain would put the Fox at an advantage. It was honestly so hard to decide a winner cause the fights just SO fair, but I reckon that’s what made it interesting haha
I have to agree with your conclusion, especially if the stats of the Lightning Saix and Shadow Fox in the anime are on par with those of the Battle Story. The Lightning Saix is an amazingly well-armed unit for its size, and that goes especially for Kotobukiya’s interpretation. And one hit from the Pulse Laser Rifle or Strike Laser Claws would no doubt be enough to knock the Shadow Fox out of commission. The Pulse Laser Rifle has a stronger power output only slightly less powerful than the primary weapon on a Saber Tiger. And Kelly Tasker might not have gotten herself knocked out if she had used the Lightning Saix’s immense speed to get the hell out of that smokescreen. Finally, Kotobukiya settled the question of PLR’s firing arc. It just wouldn’t be safe to turn the mount during high speed, or g-forces and wind resistance might cause too much stress to the weapon’s structure. However, the Shadow Foxes’ cloaking device gives Brad a pretty strong ability to control the flow of the battle, and Irvine couldn’t keep distance between the two indefinitely (nor is playing it safe his style). All it would take is one successful ambush, similar to how the Romulans would decloak to jump on top of enemy warships. Even the Shadow Fox’s least powerful weapon, the AZ Laser Vulcan can
(Continuing, because I didn’t mean to hit “post”) Even the AZ Laser Vulcan, which is the least potent weapons in the Fox’s arsenal, is capable of causing heavy damage to a Lightning Saix. On another note, the Shadow Fox was actually considered as a replacement for the Command Wolf in the Battle Story timeline, since the Konig Wolf and Liger Zero were too difficult to mass produce for that purpose, due to being based on the bodies of Wild Zoids. There were even prototypes, but they were all stolen by double agents.
I like these. I feel like they should make an other series with a similar theme to gundam build divers to show all the cool model kits zoids have to offer.
Hmm..... I'm not so sure here. Like, I like both Zoids so my bias is neutral. I'd say its reasonable to tip the scale to Irvine's favor in terms of pilot skills. But comparing the Fox to the Saix, that is tricky. They are both more impressive in their respective shows as they were each the first of their kind. In Chaotic Century, the Saix was really shown to shine with its speed being a cheetah type. Notice the sound barrier being shattered when it went all out. Moving on to New Century, the Saix still retained that level of speed- there was no nerf presented with a new season. However, the Fox is shown to be super weak in Fuzors and Genesis with its only powerful display being in New Century. Its important to consider that the Fox was never designed to be a brawler. The fact that it held its own in a 1v1 against the Jager is nothing more than plot armor for the show. Additionally, Brad's Fox was designed specifically for countering the Blitz team. The electro net only mattered against the Raynos, the strike laser claw was to match the Liger and its stealth features are because the Fox was designed in the Battle Story to be more of a recon scout Zoid. You're also forgetting that Irvine's Saix had an energy shield module installed later on. The Fox in Fuzors was shown to have a mini energy shield, but Brad's did not. I think the battle comes down to where its taking place. In a forested area? Brad wins. Every time. In an open area like an arena? Irvine wins every time. In New Century, the only time Brad beat a Saix was by tricking the pilot causing them to remain stationary. The thing with the Saix is that when in motion, you just won't hit it. Case in point, I don't believe Irvine would be dumb enough to just sit there in the smoke screen waiting to get lucky.
I don't have an in depth analysis but you kept mentioning better hardware that the fox had and yes while that foes come in handy from time to time, the 'better hardware' doesn't always make the Pilot better. Nothing against your argument just my take that Irvine gets the win.
That’d be interesting, but definitely quite difficult as a lot of it depends on the pilot haha For example we see Raven use a singular Godos to wipe out an entire republican base. If I can figure out a good way to scale them, maybe I’ll tackle that video idea in the future 🤔
