IS-2 vs PANTHER II | 122mm APHE vs Up-Armoured Panther | Armour Penetration Simulation 

That's quite impressive at such short range. 122mm is no joke.

bro definitely bounced on a panther II in warthunder and wanted to make sure xD

I like how it makes a little X in the armor

Sidenote, one of the major reasons for the Panther 2 project was that the sides of the Panther 1 was vulnerable to the very common USSR Anti tank rifle. It was however solved by adding the side skirts which put the Panther 2 into a less favorable state over the Panther 1. The German army initially wanted the Panther to only have 60mm of front armor, which they deemed sufficient and to lessen the logistical footprint of the tank. The 80mm was however chosen to please higher command (IIRC) which made the tank a lot heavier than originally planned. So for the Panther 2 to have both increased side armor and increased UFP would had made logistics even worse than it already was.

US T34 prototype 120mm AP vs King Tiger UFP at close range next?

"assuming good quality armor" They were full of optimism

The key there is "assuming good quality armour". By the end of the war, German armour was really poor due to lacking several key elements needed to make it.

Could you throw the 32 pdr's APCBC at this target next? I know that round buttered the Panther's front plate at extreme ranges, and I know it's APDS round could go through the front plate of a Tiger 2 (so no point trying that against the Panther 2) - but the APCBC against the Panther 2's front plate might be an interesting middle ground Broadly speaking, I just want more 32 pdr lol

Beautiful!

Nice video! Can you make a video of a Panther's II armour (100mm 55 @ good quality) against a 90mm m26 canon at 500m ? It will be very good.

As always cool video. Id liked to see something about modern HEAT shells if it possible.

Could you possibly do more simulations with the ISU-152-1 and 2?

Impressive and keep it up. Are u suing LS-DYNA for simulation??

Quite a controversial simulation. On November 21, 1943, when the D-25T gun was tested, the penetrations were complete, the projectile entered the armor completely. The Panther's top armor plate could be penetrated from a distance of 2,000 meters. Jagged penetrations larger than the caliber of the gun were accompanied by spalling and cracking of the armor plate. The first hit in the turret completely tore the plate off the tank. The second hit tore the turret off its shoulder strap and moved it back.

Nice video! Could you tell me the simulator you are using ?

How do you make these simulations?

I much prefer the sims with a witness plate. it does a great job highlighting any tiny pieces of spalling, or lack thereof

Энергия снаряда у 122 мм пушки ис 2 была такой огромной, что когда в кубинке привезли трофейный тигр 2 и выстрелили в влд, у него лопнули сварные швы удерживающие влд

Which software do you use? LS-DYNA?

You should do HEAT vs slat armor

Thought it would pen, impressive

Can you make a hypothetical modernized projectile with 1940s tech? I guess they had tungsten back in the day, what would an APFSDS look like if the Sherman had one?

I'd be curious to see 500 meter range simulations of 76mm M62 APCBC and M93 HVAP hitting as square-on as plausible against a Panther turret front.

can you make a video where you put an efp from say a tow2b up against a t72 roof fitted with kontakt 5 or relikt?

Imagine if it was APHEBC

Could you make a simulation of 6 Pounder Mark 9 shell vs T-34 upper front plate at around 700 meters?

how do you make these types of simulations?

The simulations are great. I would like to see shooting at a T-26E from a German 37 mm cannon, would 30+15 armor be able to stop the projectile?

What would a round of t29 be like impacting like is2 did to panther 2?

At what point the HE part exploded? Inside or outside the hole?

Incredible, it is only 200m, in real combat we could assume fight would take place on longer distances

Can you do a simulation on the FV4005 vs a t34-85 upper front plate?

Make more HEAT simulations!

I feel like if the explosive mass was included, it might have gone through because is had so much he filler sometimes even a non pen could destroy a tank

Seems likely there would be some degree of spelling. Perhaps a witness sheet could be added to investigate further.

122s versus giga panther

Could you do a British or american late war cannon vs the E-50 armor? Which would be 150mm @ 60° so about 300mm Los.

Does anyone know if this could be simulated in real time e.g. in a video game engine?

Ah yes, 100 mullimitters of armor defeats a 122 mullimitter shell. The voice over is nice, but sometimes it does sound pretty goofy 😂

the AI has trouble with millumommemter.

pls t34 with 85mm gun vs 140mm shell m48 patton

Milimmitters, lol

What program plsss

looked like there was minimal spalling despite the armor breaking apart. No doubt though, (if assuming the armor was the poor quality, which it likely would have been, given the time the panther 2 design was considered), the armor would have been penned, and potentially even at a further distance would had been shattered or worse.

I got to see the Panther II at the Patton Museum at Ft. Knox. Now that they killed my boy(Patton Museum) I'm not sure where it's at now.

The only remaing pather 2 prototype is whats left of a turret Sitting in the storage wearhouse at bovingtong The engine deck was hit directly by a 155mm artillerly shell during the battle of berlin And threw the turret several meters They repainted it the best they could but there isnt a whole lot left

holy shit, very little spall too!

Can we see 380mm sturmmorser(sturmtiger) vs human skin

Is utube accurate

Why 200m though? Seems unnecessary close 😄

King Tiger VS weird AI voice

Насколько мне известно - Пантера-2 это попытка создать Основной боевой танк. Среднее между Королевским тигром и Пантерой-1. Унификация и т.п

Если бы этот танк поставили на производство, всем был бы конец

wow impressive 6.3 is-2 doesn’t pen 7.0 panther, shame everything else does

Almanyanın tek yapması gereken Tiger 1 yapmak yerine panter lerin ön zırhına 20 mm daha zırh ekleyip IS 2 atışlarından korunmak idi

А в Вар Тандер такой снаряд с такого расстояния спокойно прошивал вторую пантеру🤔🤔🤔

This isn’t how a panther 2 looks

Lol 122mm hitting 100mm in 200m and not penetrating is so hilarious

muh'limiter 🤠

200m of distance.... yes yes... And the next distance would be taking a Beer at 2m of distance... Put realist combat distance 500-700-900m, not 200 meters.

The driver or radioman is dead

wasnt 122mm BR shell prone to cracking and breaking thus reducing penetration drastically?

How well would Germany have done in the Eastern Front if they had this Panther II tanks as their original Panther tank? Seems like the original Panther was a good design riddled with mechanical issues that took a long time to eventually fix.

İts still cracked

SOMEONE SEND THIS TO GAIJIN!

Ah yes, more War Thunder L-posting to check it that other bloke really could pen me...

if germany had the Panther 2 by the time of Barbarossa

I like cheese 🧀 👍

I would like to humbly request simulating a 75mm carbide drill bit being fired out of a sherman.

The cracking inside would likely be ejecting very fast micro-spall that is injuring the driver regardless. The concussive force of the 122mm is also likely causing the crew to bail out of the vehicle. Can't really armor your tank well enough to survive being hit by a 122 mm AP shell from the IS-2, it is likely to cause all manner of chaos no matter if it penetrates or not

Panter 2 never existed

Уверен, в симуляции 100мм снаряд Т-54 не сможет пробить Шеридан. Зато 50BMG пройдет навылет ИС-7

I wish they didnt remove panther II and they should give it back

Remove the computer voice... PLEAS...

2 things: -low quality german steel -kinetic shock

4 views and 11 likes... Hmmm

*A bunch of false stuff*

Panther II is a paper project

Most of the time, the IS-2 fired HE, which would've knocked out or at least immobilised any German armour it fired at anyway.

Вы издеваетесь? Ис-2 проламывал пантеру со всех сторон на любой дистанции боя. А тут 200 м😂😂😂. По результатам официальных испытаний задокументированных, ис-2 с дистанции 500 м пробел пантеру насквозь, то есть снаряд пробив лобовую плиту вынес ещё и кормовую. Интернет в помощь тем кто верит в эту симуляцию. Есть фотографии и отчёты.😂😂😂😂😂

These are the war thunder leaks we need

С времени 0:20 в видео показано изображение 122-мм снарядов после взаимодействия с броней под углом 55 градусов. Эта фрагмент фотографии из этого отчета со страницы 057: cloud?mail?ru public j6A7 BU51JeYeD 8734 038 Из отчета можно понять, что это снаряды после следующих опытов: 1)страница 071, опыт №4 : плита толщиной 119,24 мм твердостью 300HB (диаметр отпечатка 3,5 мм) под углом 55 градусов. Ударная скорость 796 м/с. Результат: вмятина 230х155 мм глубиной 60 мм. С тыльной стороны наметился выход пробки на 3/4 окружности со сдвигом до 15 мм. Головная часть снаряда сработалась по второй локализатор. Длина оставшейся части снадяда равна 175 мм. 2)страница 072, опыт №7 : плита толщиной 119,24 мм твердостью 300HB (диаметр отпечатка 3,5 мм) под углом 53 градусов. Ударная скорость 805 м/с. Результат: пробоина с размерами входа 300х170 мм, отверстия 110х60 мм и выхода 150х130 мм. Головная часть снаряда сработалась по второй локализатор. Длина оставшейся части снадяда равна 180 мм. В этом же отчете можно найти и результаты стрельбы по плите толщиной 120,3 мм твердостью 250HB под углом 55 градусов с ударными скоростями 793-825 м/с (страницы 90-91, опыты 1-6). Результат: плита не была пробита. Хочу рекомендовать сначала повторить в симуляции опыты из этого отчета, что бы проверить правильность моделирования советских снарядов с локализаторами в Вашей симуляции.

Gayjin need to fix their shitty game 😅

I much prefer the sims with a witness plate. it does a great job highlighting any tiny pieces of spalling, or lack thereof