Is 4000hz polling rate a scam? 

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REAL

But the monitor cant display the inscreased polling rate

@@jaykkng if you have a proper monitor to compliment it definitely does

@@LUCKIPUP not really No monitor can display 4khz Im not saying theres no difference but its so little that the human eye cant see

@@jaykkng if you play on a 360hz you will notice it even on 240hz its barely noticeable it just takes just as equally overspecced a monitor on the right game (csgo, overwatch) it needs to be on powerful enough hardware to actually tell the difference, a 144 monitor definitely wont cut it and a 240 monitor will be barely noticeable

Yes it does I did a boo boo in my script

yes it does. wanted to point this out too :D

came here to say this but take my comment anyways for the algorithm bc i liked the "DATA" & the snort.

Try it with 360hz and 3200 dpi, it is actually noticeable, even more noticeable on 500hz apparently.

@@ArceusX300 probs would be but, 360 hz will have to wait for a bit. All the good 360hz are expensive af and im never making the mistake of buying a high hz monitor with horrible motion clarity again. I was expecting something like 500hz vs 1000hz when i got the 4k dongle but was let down, if it becomes closer to that on 360hz cool but for now, its not worth for most people. + It still causes problems in some games

@@WorldKeepsSpinnin I have a starlight 12 phantom small swapped with viper v2 pro internals, I use fingertip grip, 360hz with dyac+ and I have no problems, I have 70% weapon accuracy with tracer tracking. I am aim training 4.5 hours a day to become the world's best tracking main, after 75 days I will begin streaming Fortnite and Overwatch to make a return on my investment. :) You might hear my name in the eSports media by a different name that begins with V ✌️

@@ArceusX300 LOL good luck. Dont only train tracking though, make sure you are well rounded. You might not think so right now but all types of aim (flicking, static, dynamic etc) factor into how well you track. Especially in a game like overwatch it’s important. I’ll be waiting for you in top 500 buddy, names greed.

@@WorldKeepsSpinnin I'm starting with clicking extremely tiny dots for click timing, as well as smoothness with VT's precise benchmarks. Working nearly 5 hours a day to get #1 on both precision Voltaic advanced benchmarks, on a more thin version of the official benchmark. My click timing is my biggest weakness, but working on your weaknesses helps a lot. I'm going to main zero build Fortnite until I begin reactive tracking, quake LG movement tracking, and dynamic clicking.

last patch fixed it.

If you flick with higher polling rate u will have fps drops

@@zetyoo3613 Not the case majority of the time, as long as you have decent hardware. Only really applies to games that weren't designed with high polling rate in mind (e.g Apex)

Haven't tested it but completely agree 👍 hahaha

Shape>sensor>polling rate

Yeah 1000hz polling rate just adds 1ms input delay and it's definitely smooth enough. 500hz has 2ms delay. It's the smallest detail and 2000hz is not even necessary. 500hz actually could make your mouse movement more consistent and less erratic. I'm gonna give 5oohz a try and see the difference between 1000

I See, I currenty have a 1000hz glorious model o- with a 144hz monitor, gonna get the razer viper v2 pro hyperspeed wireless, originally its 1000hz polling but with the purchase of an additional dongle you can unlock 4000hz, but I personally dont think it would be worth dishing an extra 40$ (considering shipping) for that.

Did you buy the 4k dongle?

think big with 8Khz you can be apex prededator elite gamer

​@@ozkancagatay And when they finally release 16k you could be as big as a predator as Watergothim

@@0451arthur no thanks i will be waiting for 128khz. And with it i can be an Apex Radiant Elite Master of universe gamer.

This is not true. Even if you only have a 60hz monitor you can feel a difference with higher polling rate for the same reason you can feel a difference of higher frame rates on a 60hz display.

@@OrganicGreens The only difference between lets say 250hz to 1000hz on the same mouse will be that the 250hz feels like the dpi is set slightly lower like lets say the 1000hz feels like 800dpi the 250hz feels like 750dpi. And besides if you use a program that shows the hz of your mouse, when it's set to 1000hz+ it will still be averaging around 550 to 600hz even though it's set higher with most mice

I think you might be right on the money. Several 4k mice have been shown to perform worse than the G pro superlight. There's far more elements at play that contribute to quick accurate input. As per usual reality is probably far more nuanced than simply focusing on big numbers.

@OrganicGreens high frames is way more noticable than polling rate 💀 optimium did a test and theres basically no difference between 1000hz and 4000hz

Its not going to be night and day. But it is a difference. Dpi is a huge factor here. If you are running lower than 1600dpi you cant even saturate a 2000 or 4000hz polling rate. There simply isnt enough data being created. So 1600dpi or higher and at say 500 fps, there are times when your 1000hz mouse wont quite hit as fast as actually possible. Basically i think of it as 2000hz plus polling is ensuring that there are virtually no scenarios in a game scenario where your mouse is limiting you in any way. Maybe 1/4 or even 1/16 of those polls will be getting through a little bit faster than it would at 1000hz. Also i havent seen anyone mention this yet but some games can actually saturate your cpu with evwn a 4000hz polling rate and cause you to lose some frames. I have seen a test in warzone that showed that. Although jokes on me i think im the only person still playing warzone on mouse and keyboard haha

The difference feels pretty big but it's easy to go back to 144

as far as i understand (and i could be wrong) is that there's a benefit when you combine it with a high refresh rate monitor (I think its 240hz+?). But there's a lot of diminishing returns when you go for a higher polling rate. Some games even go a bit wonky when using higher polling rates. In terms of a pure benchmark angle higher polling rates do perform better, in terms of in game use I think there isn't that much benefit to it.

cope

you know nothing about mice, please stop talking

@@whoisthatthingwhat just saying if your aim is iron lvl polling rate changes nothing on your skill lol

@@sheddz6662 imm 3

oh and i think kovaak's also doesn't support framerate independent inputs. So there the difference there will be a lot less noticeable than in games that do. But that alone wouldn't explain how you performed worse with higher polling rates.

It's always the same story with these type of new features in peripherals. Whenever someone comes up with some type of testing method to determine how much of a performance difference said feature actually makes, the results all fall within the margin of error and the conclusion is that there is no discernible difference. But then after these finding are published, a horde of RU-vid commenters appear that can clearly "feel" the difference of the new feature that they themselves happen to have already invested their money in, and insist that the testing methodology must be incorrect.

@@ilikehiking it is incorrect

"Also higher polling rates can cause games to stutter. If your fps still stays over your monitors refresh rate these stutters may be hard to notice but still can affect your aim because of the larger variance in input lag." - Why this ? Does this mean 500hz is less Input Lag and stuttering too even if you have 240fps with 1000hz ?

@@ilikehikingyou actually have it backwards dude. All these “scientists” come out and say there is no real difference and you wont be able to tell and its all marketing bs. But the real people who are using it can tell. If you main one game and play it alot and play it at a high level, you will absolutely notice the difference in something like this. Just think of all those geniuses who said that “the human eye cant even see more than 60hz lol you guys cant tell, its placebo to justify your purchases of 120hz monitors lol” how do those brainiacs look now years later? YOU are actually the one with confirmation bias, saying that you can never tell the difference but you have never tried the thing you are criticizing. Every comment i have seen says they cant tell between fullscreen borderless and fullscreen exclusive. Basically im an idiot and there is absolutely zero reason to ever run fullscreen exclusive because the input lag is imperceptible. Well its not. And i know when it got changed and i perform worse when im not in fullscreen exclusive. Its not even a debate im willing to have anymore because some random person online told me their uninformed opinion. It has absolutely zero effect on my experience if you believe your own lie. Videos like this should be taken for what they are. An unscientific test of a subjective feel for one person. I mean the amount of variables here that are unaccounted for mean this isnt really a scientific test anyhow. I havent even finished the video yet. Just because YOU cant tell and just because some numbers in a super unscientific test say so, doesnt mean there is not a difference

4 times 0 is still 0

​@@olsaaan it's the thought that counts!

yea no one mentioned 4k hz would tank your fps if you arent on a high end pc. i upgraded my cpu because i would go down like 50 fps when i swiped my mouse, made my shit look like a slideshow

​@@bonkersbruv what cpu did you have? I have a 9th gen i3 and I easily get 200+ FPS in valorant and 250+ in CSGO. I'm wondering how hard the 4k polling rate would tank my frames.

@@siuinji3259 i had a 12th gen i5 and just went up a gen to 13th gen i5. it works way better and my frames are stable but it may have been an unnecessary expensive fix. for valorant look into turning on rawinputbuffer in settings but for cs idk, maybe cs2 will handle higher mouse hz better

@@siuinji3259i3 and 4khz you would prob tank like 50fps or slightly more than that. 4khz is cpu demanding

I noticed the same, especially during very precise smoothness scenarios. With 125hz refreshrate, 250fps cap and 1000hz polling rate my aim was noticably smoother than with a bit higher refreshrates. I think it's because 125hz syncs up perfectly with the 1000hz polling rate. I got the new 8khz wired deathadder recently and at higher polling rates this effect is much less noticeable. Its always smooth no matter what refresh rate i use.

@@Katze822228 i actually meant 125hz polling rate, not 1000

​@@DomiDomi00LOVE00TeK correct, 1000hz causes stutter in some games when panning.

@Valeriy Borov Well .. when I was turning and shooting someone that was behind me like 180 degrees turn I felt that I was hitting those shots way more often and the small adjustments to the enemy heads also way more often . The only reason I’m not using for 4K hz is because of the battery ,I hate to charge it every day and playing with the cable sucks when u got used to wireless :)

I honestly don't really mind battery life that much. I charge my phone every day, adding my mouse to that routine isn't really a big deal.

Im gona buy atlantis mini wireless 4k polling 240hz monitor I only play csgo i9 12900k 3080ti 100up/down saturn mouse pad A good office chair u think atlantis mouse gona help me much ? Ty sry for band english

@@SkyyKeirondude dont be sorry, your english is fine. How did it go? A good mouse is important, but if you are a bad player it will not make you a good player. If its a good mouse it will not get in the way of you improving. But a mouse that fits and is comfortable and lets you aim without much thought is always a good thing

its a cheap monitor so its fine

Just so you know, 400dpi is not enough data to saturate a 4000 polling rate. In fact optimum tech had to go up to 1600dpi to fully saturate the 4000hz polling rate. So there is a good chance your 400dpi is not even fully using 1000hz

Yes

the optical sensor IPS is higher on the GPX2 toi

Changes absolutely nothing, but you are technically right though… so I guess there is that.

@@SamsFPS You know. Just minor math mistake 💀

@@SamsFPS yep, personally (and i notice really small things like debounce time settings, etc) i noticed nearly no difference. Yes, there was a small difference but its so small it would never be able to be noticed in a blind test, honestly its so small i kind of question if its anything at all. All i can notice is the mouse is a little “snappier” considering it technically has lower input lag that’s probably exactly how its suppose to be, but its so small its really whatever. Not worth a 40$ dongle at all.

and 1k to 4k?

Noticeable how? Your monitor bottlenecks your motion lag. There is no difference in motion whatsoever. Polling rate only matters for click latency so in terms of corner peeking like cs or valorant or a game that spams buttons.

You just gotta try the 2k/4k in person, on the desktop you can see how close the cursors are and its just snappier

@@davidfouche2392 placebo

And then they advertise 4k polling rate mouses lmfao

Because its very CPU demanding so it probably caused you to drop frames which actually increases your input lag and causes worse aim. A weird situation for sure. Thats why i plan on running 2000hz when i get mine soon

ms stands for microsoft

@@DiamondLobbyReviews yeah....good thinking, maybe next time, learn SI, International System of Units, and use it, it would trick people into thinking you actually know aht you're talking about ;)

@@AlfaRomeoVolantewhere is your video? I dont see you putting out content for people. I just see you criticizing others and offering nothing to the conversation

@@absolutelysobeast so I need a video to show you how 1000/8 equals 125 and 1000/4=250 ? Wow, smart of you....

you're*

It was a joke. Because he’s british

@@absolutelysobeast Thanks I couldnt tell

What benefit does this have? Where did you learn this is beneficial?

@@Plexez techpower up and razer

@@manueladolfoholzmannillane3050 im 99% sure this is a myth. Generally, higher dpi gives better response times.

@@Plexez i will give you a chance, think twice. If you surrender, just tell me and i tell you.

@@manueladolfoholzmannillane3050 found this now, is this motion sync in general? they way it works

yes

8k only ever been on a wired mouse, and it's been accepted that 8k feels like a real difference for years