Germans take pride in more than just their parts, they dress professional, speak intelligently and have gone through some formal training or apprenticeship. Very few American shops have a similar standard or expectation of professionalism in the workplace because they gotta take what they can get.
I think there is a lot of truth in that but it’s not 100%. I am fortunate to have traveled the world and have added many things to my own processes… that I learn or see elsewhere... But Truthfully, my shop was always clean, talented and very professional. I always had uniforms and made sure the shop was stunning. My inspection was also on a whole different level… that’s why I got in with SpaceX, Blue, Boeing and and other top companies etc. But, there are a ton of shops that are dark and dirty and not making good money… A ton that are close minded and chasing their tails instead of climbing the mountain to Greatness. This is why we do what we do… to be a lighthouse in the darkness and to bring awareness to techniques and ideas that can help companies rise to Greatness. Something that America does have though that isn’t as easy in many Countries… is the ability for a regular worker, with no money (like me)… to dream big and put in the work etc… and if he or she is talented enough… they can start their own company etc. Then scale it to what ever their talent will allow. Rising levels in life and career is easy if you are driven and have the right attitude and talents… and you solve the right problems. I have seen good and bad in all countries… I have seen people held back because they are close minded… in all countries… I have seen shops that suck and shops that were Amazing in all countries… But I will say that as a people… Europeans respect the skilled trades more than Americans… But that is also an Awareness problem… which my team is working to Relentlessly to fix. Now the real problem that Europe faces… is keeping Government in office that also respects Manufacturing… and keeps or puts rules in place to Grow Skilled Trades… instead of Killing It. Many that I talk to in Europe are worried about the next generation wanting to be in manufacturing… and worried even more that the Government will move in the wrong directions and kill manufacturing opportunities all together. This is the same in America. What are your thoughts?
@@TITANSofCNC as an European, I think you pretty much nailed it. I am also worried that in the future the manufacturing sector in Europe will be lost, and there are a lot of reasons why. Anyway, as you perfectly mention, there is no perfect country or people. There is no country will only good or bad shops. It's up to each of us to be open minded and learn from each opportunity.
I could complain about society as a whole that we have lowered our standards and pride in craftsmanship, but that does nothing. I think it really is up to a company to make their own destiny and build a respectable business. Setting expectations and don't compromise. If people don't wanna show up ready to work, follow a dress code or adhere to strict QC standards then they don't need to be there. It is hard work though to build and maintain that "culture" of excellence. Good on you for all you have built and accomplished. It is clear that it was not easy.
@@TITANSofCNC Very well said. As an Austrian I can confirm, that the governments (no matter if in Germany or Austria) are systematically trying to eliminate high level engineering and manufacturing - on homesoil. The goal: to outsource all of this work to the Far East (especially China). The effects are already visible.
Lol I'm Luxemburgish and I have to admit, guilty as charged, that's the first thing I expected to see when scrolling down. Apparently people have more manners that one has the tendency to think, which is a good thing.
I live in the UK and I miss my job shop so bad. I'm a retired old guy but I still love CNC machining. Big shout out to you Titan for promoting machining, Europe and the USA needs to fid their roots again There is a direct line in wealth creation, all wealth starts it's journey by being dug out of the ground, you cannot miss one step in the journey. You cannot create wealth out of thin air, it has to be made.
@@djenii2020 Rubbish, the capitalist creates the jobs, creates the business takes all the risk. If it wasnt for the capitalist there would be no work. Are you that stupid, have you not learned anything from decades of Communist decay. If everyone gets the same wether you work or not, or how hard you work, what would be the point of working. Not much going on in your head is there
@@djenii2020зарплата оператора ЧПУ в Европе в среднем 4000€ в месяц. До 9000€, в месяц. Германия около 6к это норма. Чистота, порядок, профсоюзы, здоровая конкуренция. Часто видел собственников заводов прям в цехе, как правило в спец одежде. Ходят и руководят, работают. Не в сочах пока рабы сделают гос контракт за который откатил 10%, то есть больше средней рентабельности, что говорит о том почему такая большая разница в доходах.
Years ago when I first got into the trade I was having issues with a part that I was making. I had my direct supervisor and the floor foreman at my machine talking about the part. They were speaking Spanish to one another. I don't speak Spanish. I do however know enough to understand the numbers. As they were talking I interjected something about the dimensions they were discussing. They both turned and looked at me surprised that I understood what they were talking about.
In Germany, job quality for the workers goes hand in hand with the quality of the manufacturing. This means reasonable wages and free time to spend with the families. Additionally the external training structures for apprentices are also designed for efficient integration of new employees. This is achieved because the companies are in direct contact with the training institutes to ensure the quality and relevance of the training. A new machine operator will be directly operational on day one. I've been to machine shops in other countries where machine operators need a year before they can reliably be allowed to operate the machines. Willingness to continue to develop its manufacturing processes is also a daily theme. Efficience and quality throughout the company and a willingness to continue to develop the processes is the key to competitive manufacturing.
IMHO it's also worth mentioning that work[place] safety standards are very high in Germany, where I work we still have a bunch of manually controlled lathes and had to retrofit a cover over the main spindle 8 years ago, in contrast to more modern machines that already have that made out of metal these were just made of some aluminium pipes with some clear plastic windows, so they wouldn't really stop flying chucks, however they prevent from directly touching the running spindle (they're with a switch, so the machine only runs with that cover closed). And some more things like that the T-handle socket to tighten the chucks has a spring-loaded pin, so you can't leave it in there (and start the machine), if you forgot it, it will jump out and cause some noise. 😁 I work on a CNC Lathe (DMG-Mori NLX2500) and it has four access levels and I'm only allowed to use 1 and 2, with 1 you can only jog when doors are closed, 2 allows you to jog with reduced speed while doors are opened, but you have to keep a safety button depressed the whole time (like a dead man's switch), 3 and 4 are surely higher, 4 literally like sudo but you have to be specially trained for this and it's seemingly more for some service staff and rather temporarily than permanently. And these safety standards are set and enforced by German Statutory Accident Insurance, these were founded in 1884 and paid by the employer (some of these social insurances are paid by both, this only by the employer), they also already cover the duty stroke, when you have a commuting accident and if you get disabled so that you can't work on that job anymore they'll pay retraining so you can learn a different job that you'll still be able to do.
Komm zur AMB nach Stuttgart und lass Dich von den Maschinen verzaubern die es hier zu sehen gibt. Einige der besten Werkzeugmaschinen der Welt kommen aus Baden-Württemberg Deutschland.
Ist die so das Gegenstück zur EMO? Weil auf dieser war ich schon öfters (Hannover ist nicht weit weg von mir) und die ist ja immer in den ungeraden Jahren, zeitweise war sie auch noch in Mailand, aber mittlerweile wohl immer in Hannover.
WANKMÜLLER PRÄZISIONSMECHANIK, die Firma in dem video, ist auch in Baden-Württemberg, Grade mal 30-40km von Stuttgart entfernt :) Btw, Anfang vom kommenden Monat ziehe ich selbst nach Stuttgart, um zu studieren ^^
This is fantastic! I live in germany, and just last month, I completed an aprenticeship in a machining shop, prerequisite for studying aerospace engineering at my university, so I can watch this with a whole new set of appreciation
I think it Awesome. How it's not just Titan going to all those different places. And that gives his guys. Who run and program the machines. The chance to meet and learn
That is so freakin cool, pun intended 😂. Guess when the solid cam stuff happens we will all be seeing Donny fanboying. 😁 That shop has everything so organized you’d be able to find your brain if you happened to drop it there 😮😂.
I do like Mazaks especially the mazatrol programming, very good interface and give the ability to produce complicated programs and passes. Probably my favourite type of machines I could do alot on one without cad/cam
@@bobmcbob8732 Ive done some minor work on a Mazak lathe and mazatrol is awesome. I manly run a CNC mill (also Mazak) but its by using Mastercam. Mazak produces some very good machines =)
Sorry if that's a silly question: Don't Americans still use imperial units? I thought this was the main difference, that you had something like 23/1024 inch over there, while in Europe that would be 0,57 mm and the difference of 0,0005 mm could be a problem.
Man if i would be in your place i will give a tshirt with TITANS LOGO where ever i go in this factoryes , like your videos , greetings from romania BOOM!!!🤜🤛
Such a great video! This is where I live and tiny shops like this are common here in every small village. Most of them do automotive stuff, hence I call it the Detroid of Germany 😂 if you look for injection molding, you will find even more
Excited about your Swiss machining academy! I was informed by the Stars representative that swiss only represents 8% of the CNC market, so from a creator perspective there is a much smaller audience, but I am happy you guys are on it. I am willing to bet that 8% does more than 50% of the parts! Really looking forward to the academy presentations. The challenge of swiss machining is you never stop learning. Been at it for a decade and I learn something new at least weekly, if not daily. (sometimes hourly!) GO TITANS!!!
Sitting here watching some random CNC related video where I wonder how my algo picked it up and then *bam* .. I see Pforzheim license plates (PF). Wow something good comming out of here. We have a *lot* of manufacuring here, though mostly related to the gold & jewlery industry, for which Pforzheim was once known for.
There are many good and modern companies and corporations in Germany. If you're traveling through Germany again, come to Saarland. There you can also find companies that do special things. Machining and manufacturing of carbide, for example.
Great shop tour! I enjoy seeing how a well-oiled machine shop operates. Having worked with Mazak Integrex machines before, I can’t help but feel a bit excited whenever I see one. 🥲
it where so funny when Titan visit the company where i Work 😅 i'am a CNC and Manuall Lathe Machinist and Manuall round Grinder my company is very old and so our Machines when you see our Workpieces or Products you would never think about that comes from a Machine Shop that Looks like a dirty old coal mine 😅😅😅 we also don't use CAD CAM all Machinists here Programm by hand directly into the Machine Like its 1995 or so and we are still on the marked have our customers and sell our Automatic Hydraulic Clamping devices all around the world
Same with us we make shiny precision parts out of dirty old machines, programmed directly on the control... For some types of job shops it's not yet time for the future
@@k53847 but isn't it better to learn the fundamentals of machining on 50 years old machine, then 20 years old, then modern? You can't just be born in 2006 and start working on a mazak integrex at 18 in 2024 without ever touching a manual lathe
@@Orakwan Yes, you can start learn and working on a cnc without ever touched a manual. It's like one do not need to know how to operate a 1920's Ford in order to drive a 2020 model Ford. I do not got any against manuals, got a couple at home for hobby, but wouldn't bother tell some youngsters how it works, that will operate on CNC's anyway
@@Rimrock300 I think just spending a couple months on older machines at the beginning of your apprenticeship helps you become a better machinist more quickly while avoiding a lot of costly mistakes on complex CNC machines
For the Swiss academy coming out, I know titans uses solid cam for it but will there also be videos for MasterCAM and/or things that can be imported into MasterCAM such as the locators and stuff like that?
California would outlaw this.productive employment with outstanding working conditions.Knocked around some San Francisco job shops 1973-4 that still had wood floors and sawdust.
Do you need corrective glasses ? All CNC machines have safety doors, windows or portals. If anything goes through that, safety glasses will not safe you and will be useless. But if you check at 0:35 , 6:20 the guy uses safety glasses while working on the manual machine, because at that time they make sense. Same with the guy at 6:15 who is wearing them working at a CNC system while the door is open.
I think he is not proud of his air conditioning, but of its energy efficiency. With the very high energy costs in Germany, an AC can be quite expensive.
Would this shop be a Mittelstand? I have dificulty understanding Mittelstand machine shop I don't get the concept.... theres no much info in english out there
It would be among what the germans call 'Mittelstand' companies. I would say Mittelstand is not a concept in it self, more a name for 'small to mid size companies that have stood the test of time' They have been around for generations, done well even they are relative small. This often due to a high focues at constant deelopment, improvement. They way many German companies train their some of their own staff, from the time they are out of highschool is among else an important concept to many of the Mittelstand companies. If on google 'Lessons from Germany’s Midsize Giants' there is some info
This is Titan and I was also curious about the name so I asked ChatGPT4.0 and yes, it’s the same as what we call a “job shop” in America. This is the answer: A "Mittelstand" machine shop in Germany typically refers to a small to medium-sized enterprise (SME) that is part of the country's robust Mittelstand sector. The term "Mittelstand" itself denotes these SMEs, which are characterized by certain key attributes: 1. **Size**: Mittelstand companies generally have fewer than 500 employees and annual revenues below 50 million euros. 2. **Ownership and Management**: They are often family-owned and managed, with a strong focus on long-term stability and generational continuity. 3. **Specialization**: These companies usually specialize in niche markets or specific types of products or services, often with a high degree of technical expertise and craftsmanship. 4. **Innovation**: Despite their size, Mittelstand firms are known for their innovation and quality, frequently leading in their respective fields through continuous improvement and adoption of advanced technologies. 5. **Regional Roots**: Many Mittelstand businesses have strong ties to their local communities and regions, contributing significantly to local economies. In the context of a machine shop, a Mittelstand machine shop would likely be a specialized manufacturing firm focusing on precision engineering, metalworking, or producing specialized machinery or components. These shops are typically highly skilled in using advanced machinery and technology to produce high-quality products, often customized to meet the specific needs of their clients. Overall, the Mittelstand machine shop is a key component of Germany's manufacturing prowess, known for its quality, reliability, and innovation.
I'm a CNC apprentice at an automotive OEM. Anyone know a good type of cut+puncture resistant gloves that will help reduce the amount of splinters I get? I am almost always machining tool steel and its just splinter city. I've tried the normal cut gloves but they don't seem to prevent splinters. I tried with a pair of nitrile gloves under the cut gloves and that helps more but surely there is something on the market to prevent splinters from getting into my hands? I understand its just gonna be an issue but I feel like the issue could be reduced lol.
Even if there is a glove that exists for this, maybe you could find another solution to reduce splinters, like using a fan or flood coolant to push the splinters in a single spot away from manual handling
@@speedbird63 common practice to wear gloves whilst loading and unloading, so easy to cut your hand on a burr or nip your finger nail when putting a component down. I never wore gloves for a long time when I first started because it was more time consuming and downright sweaty, now after 23 years of tightening up fixture bolts, lifting thousands of castings and billets I have permanent tendon damage in my index and middle fingers on my right hand.
Geehrte Damen und Herren, geehrte Zuseher/in, es erschreckt mich schon dahingehend, wie offenherzig Unternehmen in Deutschland, Einblicke in ihre Produktion / Bauteile bieten. Bei uns ist dieses nicht der Fall - der Kundschaft und den Betriebsgeheimnissen zum Schutz ! 05.06.´24
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Fantastic tour. Thank you, again, for sharing. Titan, I sure hope you have been speaking with President Trump and VP JD Vance about bringing manufacturing back to America. There is plenty of work globally for all countries to make their own products and reduce shipping costs, and to be very proud of it just as Tobias and his employees.
Of course it’s different, we use the metric system, so everything is 1000% accurate. Not like America, where they basically eyeballing everything with their inches and whatever. ✌️😬
Mazatrol g codes are the same as eia/iso machines, been a while since I've used mazatrol but there is a eia/iso option button when first creating a program at the bottom left or right on the screen. You might only need to change a few m and t codes to get a program to run
