The closer estimate would be 40 days an hour, and the subpar results shown is the video indicate only that the model isn't actually specialized in classical music, like catching differences between various composers' styles
Letting Brett and Eddy loose in a studio without violins and classical music tends to go crazy. Fun video, but poor editor-san who had to see the uncut version. 😅
This is why if not non-musicians, artists should stay away from AI. Time will tell if AI will eventually rob us from creativity, turning us into morons or somehow we will survive this horror.
Do a part two using Udio - its training is clearly much deeper than Suno and it's scary. The same prompts offered much more convincing classical music (although sometimes odd like you ask for a solo violin and it gives you an entire string section lol). It also told me that they cannot use Mozart's likeness without his permission which I don't think will be happening any time soon 🤣
Udio genuinely left me speechless after I asked it to compose a finale to a symphony in the style of Rachmaninoff. It made music that I could only dream of being able to compose. Perhaps naively, I thought classical music would be a harder code for AI to crack, but here we are.
Am an aspiring composer already with years of training. Yeah for me too, Udio was deeply impressive and extremely saddening - it composed things in seconds that I personally would have been very happy with if I had composed them myself. Like many others in the composition and the other creative fields, you realize that the craft that you have spent decades of your life working on has been made at least partially redundant and unnecessary. Ah well, can only keep moving forward.
6:46 Eddy: How do I stop it! Make it stop! That's the point of AI Eddy, it's unstoppable. And I strongly suspect that Brett is actually taken over by AI already... Please come back Brett, no AI can ever learn your style of composition! This world needs you!!
Do you hear how cringey the cheap ai generated music sounds? This is how cringey your homework reads to the professor when you use ai instead of trying your best yourself.
Yeah I see so many YT comments and even Twitter posts that are so clearly written by AI. They have the weird chatGPT cadence to it. If a professor can't tell he's a dum-dum tbh.
GPT is terrible at content. It can write in an academic voice, but voice and structure was only *half* of what I was graded on in school. The essay had to actually be about something, not fluff. GPT is very good at pretending it's right. It falls apart quickly.
@@MaksKCS I can already write however I want in the required academic voice and structure, and I know what content to write about. In this way, GPT is useless.
These lyrics were better than human-written pop because they actually sung about something interesting TwoSet, please make Strings of Sorrow please make Strings of Sorrow please make Strings of Sorrow
AI does not know theory, it only knows what other songs sound like. That's why it's good at boring pop. (Also anyone with headphones can immediately tell it's fake because it sounds like the vocals were recorded with a fishtank bubbling in the background.)
AI has access to the whole internet on any music theory articles, books, videos, etc. , updated with billions of parameters so that it picks out the essential information. So it does know theory and the mechanics behind music. It's not just a robot like people who have no knowledge of AI claim. It just displays a different kind of creativity. Something that can be admired or used for one's own advantage.
@@rahulradhakrishnan5591It doesn't know in a sense that a reasoning sapient being knows. It's big curve fitting, statistical approximations, etc. Only partial replication of brain's capabilities. It doesn't mean it's not useful or impressive, but it absolutely can't understand and build abstractions in a way a human can. Don't anthropomorphise it and don't read AI spaces tweets too much without taking it with a bucket of salt.
@@rahulradhakrishnan5591it's a really good copy-paste algorithm. It cannot think or create. It has no soul or passion. Don't be fooled by the hype created by ai tech bros who have money invested into it.
@@vanjazed7021 You're exactly right on all this. i don't know why ppl still believe the stuff they're seeing and hearing is on PAR with a human...it's all shaved FROM humans...it didn't "come up" with ANYTHING it jumbled a bunch of the data together to get an output.
Would love to see you guys play with Udio. Have tried generating classical music with it and so far it has been the one that nailed it most in my opinion.
something about the "Melancholy Melodies" made me thought of the bach influence with the first few secands sounding like the well tempered clavier prelude no.1 in c major, turns out I was wrong
For Suno, turn on custom mode, enable instrumental, write this in the style: Classical period, Viennese-classical, 18th-century, Enlightenment-era, Baroque-influenced, Rococo, pre-Romantic, Galant ... and you'll get some nice classical music.
An important aspect about AI that's often overlooked is that it requires lots and lots of energy. Especially videos. One estimate I found was that one minute of AI video takes as much as fully charging 1800 mobile phones. This energy needs to come from somewhere. Power plants etc. So this is turning into a matter of both climate change, in addition to taking away the human factor in art. Still impressed by the pop songs, though!
Hilarious video, but you should check out Udio. Much better at classical stuff. I mean, it still sounds artificial but at least it's closer to the general orchestral vibes.
I tried the Suno AI and I absolutely fell in love with the song it created. A dance/electonic trance pop party song about Classical Music. Brings me back to my nightcore phase LOL
@@oxoelfoxo Probably bc there are less incentives to develop an AI that specializes in classical music compared to pop. If for some reason someone does try to develop an AI like that, I feel like it could definitely compose something that sounds at least somewhat classical to an untrained audience.
@@rahulradhakrishnan5591 Well some help that "knowledge" is, because apparently it doesn't use any of it in the slightest 😂 It's okay for making pop music, but how come when asked to create anything that requires actual use of voice leading and complex harmonies, it just shits itself and resorts to making crappy solo piano pop music? If it's anything like AI art, they just steal work from artists and feed it to the AI to teach it to mimick those art styles. Why are you defending AI anyway? Do you want all artists and musicians to lose their jobs? I'm not sure about all jobs, but at least a large number of jobs will be dedicated to AI if we keep going in this direction.
@@sophiewang1025 Key word: "untrained audience." Composing music isn't just about learning music theory and following those rules to a T. It's about learning the rules and then breaking them in creative ways. I refuse to believe an AI could ever do that, because it can only mimick what has already been done. It can't create something new that has never been done before.
If you have more detailed prompts it gets creepily better, especially on Udio (Suno's competitor) with baroque styles. I seriously wonder if eventually we will even be able to tell the difference.
You used the wrong prompt for suno It doesn’t register names in prompts for copyright reasons. You have to describe the genre and other keywords For example: virtuoso classical violin concerto in the style of a 20th century Russian composer
@@oxoelfoxo yeah, it's definitely better with pop music. you can't really be specific with instrumentation or anything yet. unless it's just piano. but can get MUCH better classical music with better prompts than in the video it gave them pop music because they used the word "duet". and it would have basically ignored the word Mozart
I think the reason the classical music was so bad is because Suno is not designed to make songs based on other artists or composers. They only let you describe how the song sounds. So when you put Mozart or brahms, it completely ignored that and just saw piano, so you get the samey sound song each time since the prompt has such little information in it.
It worked with this prompt : A classical music, orchestra with instrument. It must be like the classical compositer Paganini. I really want the violon to be the main instrument. Very varied musically without looping or repetition (doesn’t sound like paganini but at least it’s classical music)
Use Udio instead, it's so much better in terms of composition, audio quality, clarity of vocals, etc. And most importantly, the classical pieces it's able to write is insane, you need to make a part 2 using Udio instead of Suno please!
@@sonkim6876 well there's actual composers that have that job for a reason and that AI shouldn't be taking that over with its shitty non-emotional creations :)
Automatism is a creative technique for producing artworks without thought, will or intervention from the conscious mind. The term is originally taken from physiology, where it refers to unconscious bodily motions such as breathing or dreaming. ;)
I don't use AI to compose for the same reason that I don't use it to tell someone I love them. It's a finely tuned personal expression and I want it to be understood as such, so I want to be the one thinking. I don't want to fake it.
As someone who is also a lyricist, I like using it to get an idea of how I want a melody to sound around my words if I have nothing strong preemptively, however I agree it's pretty hollow to just call it on whatever it gives you and move on. If I hear something from it that I can write around myself though, and take my own inspiration from it based on how the melodies make me feel, then all that's left is to build around that when composing myself. It's not a traditional way of writing a song, and not at all absolutely necessary, but I find that process fun personally.
I hadn't realized you were both so uninformed. As others have already mentioned, different algorithms can actually compose classically inspired music quite well with the correct prompts. Furthermore, AI has already been used to compose (or help compose) a number of classical or classically inspired works. For example, some "lost works" of Ysaÿe have been completed with the help of AI in the last few years, and have since been performed and recorded; in other words, passed off as authentic. Simply put, when you consider how most people learn or interact with music, through their phone or computer (not live performances), I can see it becoming problematic, especially considering that most classical music is within the public domain. Simply put, if John Williams can use the works of past composers as a starting point, I see no reason why AI would be prohibited from doing so as well. AI will only further speed up the process of distancing people further and further from the source material. I mean, when you look at how many people hadn't realized Blackpink's "Shut Down" sampled La Campanella, or think Yu-Peng Chen is a genius for composing Boreas Andrius' theme in Genshin Impact, it doesn't look good for classical music.
Pretty sure that the two main reasons for AI being bad at classical music are A) the data and B) the training. All AI training works towards a goal. Typically some sort of ranking/evaluation process involved tries to detect whether the AI is doing a good job or not. Both the data AND the evaluation can be very opinionated, meaning that either the AI you tested here has not been trained on classical music very much or even if classical music has been part of the data set, the training favored results that where more pop-music focused. Sometimes this evaluation is actually done by humans, sometimes by other computers, but there is a good chance the evaluation wasn't focused on classical music, or just not informed enough on it (people who don't know much about classical music might evaluate the results way differently then you, who are experts). Famously ChatGPT has been trained to confidently state stuff, even if it's wrong, because the reviewers mostly favored a confident answer over a less confident one. All in all, it's likely that this will keep improving but I guess there is less monetary interest in automating classical music and so it hasn't been focused on as much. That's actually the case with many smaller artforms that trail behind the main AI stuff, just because the interest (from big buisness) isn't as high. Interestingly It's also funny that you considered the pop music really well done, while I'm sure professional producers would cringe at these songs. It's hard to fool experts with AI stuff for now. Let's hope that will stay true for some longer!
@@MethbillyIt is easy, but it is also meaningless, time is scarce and life is precious. Is it getting famous the reason of your living and ideal of fullfilment? AI on pop music surely will cut off from the scene a lot of producers. But it will also push forward some towards doing something good and different.
@@Methbilly You are a teenager, right? Share your music with us, please. I'm eager to hear something new and beautiful from a talent destined by God to worldwide stardom. Let us become your fans and spread the word about the new best thing. 😂
@@Methbilly Pop music is, always have been and always will be just a shitty easy to mass produce generic noise. And people don't need to be musicians to see this, so asking "wHy DoN't YoU dO iT tHeN?" is just pure "retardness"...
"AI just smoke pop industry" ... YES, with the ability to understand natural language of AIs nowadays, lyrics is so easy for them to write. If pop melody is not complicated enough, even AI can write a great song that could express emotion and you couldn't tell it is artificial.
Wrong. Ai doesn’t understand lyrics or language, it just gives you some text output that is an approximation of what it has in its database. Also, music doesn’t “express” emotion, it contains it. And if you have close to 0 taste then you might indeed like the ersatz shit AI produces, but it can never be truly great, because it lacks the subtle emotional layers only humans can create. Most of music is generic, but great music is extraordinary, and AI can't do extraordinary at all, it's built to give you average, because there is just too little extraordinary art to train it, and more than that we cant load human memories, emotion and experience into AI, and that's exactly what makes artists and their art great.
@@Zareh_Abrahamian the problem is not AI, but people like tohrumi who think that AI-generated art can be "great", even thought I'm not even sure that you can call it "art" to begin with.
@@markodern789 I am desperately looking for reassuring reasons that we can beat this human-created monster. While I don't have much hope, your comment gave me confirmation bias, but what you are not taking into account is the speed with which AI is perfecting itself. Terms like _emotion, feeling, greatness_ are all subjective. There will come a time where AI will have figured out all of that: I am witnessing the evolution in every iteration of the abomination. The day when AI generates original art and new styles is when we are done for real.
@@Zareh_Abrahamian You don't quite understand the topic, AI cannot understand emotion because it can't feel it, and feeling is exactly the source of true music. AI can't feel, therefore can't create real art but only a condensed, homogenised copy of information it has int's database that some person with underdeveloped taste would be fooled by. Considering the fact that AI requires Immense amounts of information, otherwise it's not producing anything meaningful, and scarcity of truly great art, AI is trained on mediocrity - because there is plenty of it, and what it can produce is only an imitation of that mediocrity, no matter how "professional" it might sound. Also, it's not that optimistic on the technological front: most researchers are predicting a plateau, each iteration is requiring more and more time, money and computation exponentially. Don't underestimate the complexity of human brain, it's much more complex than any electronics we have, and it's going to stay that way for a long time.
Am I the only one who wants to listen to those songs? I went on Suno and found their account, but it says "they haven't made any songs public yet" and that bummed me out. TwoSet, please make these songs public. I wanna hear these bops in full version!
Hi, Brett and Eddy. I am writing regarding a certain video on RU-vid, "Debussy plays Debussy - Clair de Lune, that falsely claims to have a recording of Debussy playing Clair de Lune. This is untrue because, while Debussy did record a couple of his pieces, he never recorded Clair de Lune on piano. The video has 2 million views, and it paints a false picture to pianist of what the "original" should sound like. This is why my plea to you is to investigate this video, because a channel with a large audience like yours might at least stop the damage of the misinformation from spreading.
On a slightly deeper note: I'm confident that AI won't take over the classical music scene, or any human music scene, and the reason is this: it blindly synthesizes the final sound file. As humans, we can hear the souls of the writers and performers that they pour into real music, and AI will never be able to replicate that. (For a much more thorough look at the philosophy behind music, AI, and soullessness, I'd recommend the video essay by Adam Neely)
The issue is: will there be many humans left that can actually appreciate music performed by humans when all they are used to is AI? Even now, without musical training, most people can't distinguish the quality of performance between, for example, a new soloists vs a very experienced one
I think most people react to AI in one of these two ways: 1) Eddy, as a classical musician who (not so) secretly enjoys a side of pop, getting into the song in spite of himself, or 2) Brett, the purebreed, visibly concerned, trying to figure it out and reconcile the quality of the lyrics with the soulless being he knows AI to be. I had reaction #2 to an AI "watercolour painting" the other day. (Though I did somehow detect that it was AI before being told.) The question for me is, how big is the pool of data which the AI draws from? I suspect that every prompt which is typed in is filtered through some sort of extensive list of algorithms and categories, and then pieced together...I wonder whether some one somewhere Has written a song like "Strings of Sorrow" (lol) and would recognise bits of his work...who knows! But het, glad to hear that the classical music section of the arts is too complex for AI to handle!😎
