Is Anyone Else Out There? with Dan Werthimer 

My cheeky answer: I have read Greg Bear and I have also read a bit about the history of the discovery of the New World. So yep. 😄 The potential upside of Contact is great! The potential downside is essentially infinite: complete annihilation. Plug that downside into the risk assessment formula and it doesn't really matter what the probabilities of each outcome are, does it?

No intelligent aliens so no.

I'm hesitant to "communicate" with fellow Earthlings, so, yes: METI = Bad Idea.

Unless habitable planets like earth are incredibly rare and the aliens need it to survive, I'd imagine they would be more than capable of gathering resources they need without ever visiting us.

Noone is there to listen. Only sludge worlds.

Ohhhhh… VERY cool thought. That’s what I believe now ! Thanks

I guess we are just happy to be early.

There was that other signal in 1993 that came from an unoccupied position in space that could have been a starship.

I agree. I believe that IF we find and confirm an artificial radio signal in the future it is likely to be from some type of beacon scanning our area OR a long distance "radio lighthouse" used for internal communication (maybe for their ships as you speculate on). Maybe a simple beacon emitting coordinates and such to and from their worlds - the WOW signal match that type of object also. I believe it would be very unlikely that it contains some sort of message to us as they have no "easy way" of knowing that we are here or what type of technological level we are on and so on.

I think we haven’t found life simply because we don’t have the technology to see the surface of planets outside of our solar system

He was one of our first guests ever, but we do need to do a second episode with him. Here is the first episode: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ag6g0y0H9ww.html

He's been on and very likely will be back: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ag6g0y0H9ww.html

@@EventHorizonShow You know, I think I might have seen it before, but never realised it was on this channel...definitely need to do episode no.2 though!

Time change so I am sure we need new episode with Seth Shostak!

@@EventHorizonShow what about Gary “Larry” Nolan?

I suspect, given the small size of the Professional SETI community, he is well known in their circle.

I dont think we need to worry. We will either be gone or very advanced. I dont think humans would survive the stone age again.

totally agree..

Nah, we're humans. We fight against the dying of the light.

We should transmit that.

@@TheNoodlyAppendage and follow up with an interstellar version of a war of the worlds type broadcast. And they the invaders are then headed to you next at the end. . that would be funny.

So why did they think an Arecibo class instrument could read the signal? Seems like a pretty trivial calculation

Thank you! My thoughts exactly.

There is also the Rare Earth Hypothesis.

Once technological advancement stagnates we might need to set up "do overs" to see if a society with different starting condition develops in a way we never would of thought of.....heck different base maths....different branches such as biological computing or whatnot.

Constant gardeners 😂

DNA record would likely show it. AFAIK everything looks natural.

@@bozo5632 I dunno the precambrian explosion is pretty sus.

@@Kwitzats AFAIK that explosion was the sudden appearance of hard parts that could be preserved, more than a sudden explosion of wacky critters.

Your screen-name...ah, Cancerization... eventually, we will all be like Dr. Zoidberg.

@@ryomichael lol, it's actually a Morrowind reference

I have been spaghettified, with John Michael Godier

Yes we’re aware.

I find it very strange for someone involved with seti saying flat out that I must have been interference from an earth signal or satellite, only objective thing he could say about it is …..we don’t know what it was. Recently I saw a same sort of reaction from scientists like Neil deGrasse Tyson and Lawrence Krauss where they were sure Avi Loeb was wrong and Oumuamua was just a rock , even tho Professor Loeb was just objective and said it could be anything…..we just don’t know.

A species that is so advanced doesn't want anything to do with primitive apes that use their technology to destroy each other. 😉✌

Species like that could skip the whole coming here part. They probably have access to enough energy, that they can fire an artificial gamma ray burst at us, and sterilize the planet without even coming here.

I have this feeling that nuclear weapons are probably going to be considered dangerous to any technological civilization in the cosmos. There is a lot of power in splitting atoms. And right now, I can't imagine shields being an actual thing in how we envision them today. But they may have technology quick enough to avoid something as slow as a missile if they travel across the universe at even half the speed of light somehow. So many possibilities either way.

In the case that they travel faster than light we probably wouldn’t see them until they are here. And then it’d be too late to even attempt a nuclear defense plan.

No matter how advanced they are, they can't travel anywhere near the speed of light. Even if they travel 99% the speed of light they would take millions or billions of years to get to us. They can't know we exist since we have been around for 300k and only transmitted signals for under 100 years

Indeed. He was a guest last year! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nJYSeNzzfDI.html

@@EventHorizonShow Thanks for the reply... I am gonna listen in immediately. How did I miss out!!

@@EventHorizonShow what about Gary Nolan

I agree, it was light years better. Speculative science doesn't need to jump off the deep end in order to make compelling content. This is JMG at his finest.

The expanse of time is equally beyond imagination -- a sufficiently ancient civilization, with enough of a "head start", could already have crossed Cosmic distances

Want to know what's out there? NOTHING!

Hiding is too hard. Anyone who can threaten you can detect you much more easily. I don't like dark forest at all. It might be a quiet graveyard though.

We still got some memories of middle Ages with us^^

Even scarier thought is that the exponential technological advancement of the past 300 or so years was very much the exception, and not the rule, and we are quickly reaching near the limits of physics and technology. I wouldn't take it for granted that of course we will invent FTL communications just because technology has advanced exponentially so far. If this is the case, then that too would be a fermi paradox solution, if you combine it with intelligent life just being fairly rare(maybe 1-3 species per galaxy). Then none of them would have any realistic chance to see or contact each other in a very long time. Galaxy can be colonized by crawling at sub light speeds, but it's going to take a while, and it could be that the other few(if any) aliens in our galaxy haven't evolved yet, or didn't evolve too far back to have colonized everything yet. Or just went extinct.

The only way this is true is if ftl or ftl communication doesn't break causality. Physicists tell me it definitely without a doubt does and they bust out Penrose diagrams to prove it. I am not convinced.

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong would slowing my perception, biological processes, even entropy at a quantum level(radioactive decay?) be the same as increasing the speed of light? Then traveling near c would have even greater dilation effects!

@@DruidEnjoyer If it takes (ballpark) millions of years to expand across a galaxy, then there are no "million-year civilizations" in our galaxy, or else they'd physically have gotten hear already If it takes (ballpark) tens of millions of years to expand across a galaxy group, then there are no "ten mega-year civs" in our Local Group (MWG, Andromeda, Triangulum) If it takes (ballpark) hundreds of millions of years to expand across a galaxy cluster, then there are no "hundred mega-year civs" in our local Virgo Cluster region But there could be a "ten mega-year civ" elsewhere in our Cluster Or even a "mega-year civ" elsewhere in our Group

That's my conclusion except the resource limit causes social collapse more so than energy limitations.

The only one of those I'm confident about is that interstellar civs are non-existent or tiny. The economics of It... Nothing to gain.

*citation needed

Their motive would have to be irrational. Not impossible, and it broadens the possibilities. Hygiene freaks? Religious fanatics? Sex maniacs?

@@bozo5632 Maybe just a constructor fleet. Earth has to be destroyed to make way for a bypass.

Oh yes, I forgot about Sir Isaac Newton. She was one of the most brilliant minds of all time.

Wut

@@bigcauc7530 You must be a male

@@sombra1111 I have discovered that RU-vid censors the word @boy. Lol. It ghosted your reply in the comment section so I can't see it unless I click the notification 😂

@@bigcauc7530 😤

I wonder how many people simply wish to remain as the center of the universe? The special ones. No. Humanity needs to know in order to continue growing up.

leaders couldn't give a crap about us now

Someone needs to start construction on a conference venue large enough to house 8 Billion people . . . . Can't wait to hear the opinions of the halfwits that you've invited.

@@genghiscarnage4015 It's called polling, my friend.

@@zekayman No it isn't. You poll giving options. That is far, far removed from having a conversation. Try again.

As far as we can tell bio-signatures that our planet has been giving off for hundreds of millions of years are quite rare so even before we started getting vertebrates this planet would have been of some interest at least. The idea that aliens advanced enough to effect us somehow missed the obvious life signs here and then neglected to mark us out for further study or as a place where intelligence might arise seems ludicrous to me. It would be different if we discover that earth like worlds are a dime a dozen, but current models don't fit that.

I also have the notion that life elsewhere will probably be equally hostile because of nature. Humans can't seem to go beyond their messy nature and work as one. There's always someone looking to step on everyone else. Can't even do it now and we're more set up to work together than ever before. I doubt aliens could escape their nature if we can't.

I think an advanced being would be able to detect & would be aware on how to detect our signals. If they so wanted to go "rookie advanced civilization" hunting, knowing there'd be so few and far between. Or they've been there, done that -- not motivated, but just send drones to observe and not write a reply via our means trying to ensure we get it, etc. That said, it's jumping the gun that they every star out there would be in position to pick up our super-uber-weak signals of I Love Lucy and the like -- not only not pointing in our direction to listen in + also the signal being too weak, clouded, and interfered by the time it reaches them. Not to mention some places may have observed us, and every 100 years take a look at us, and to send some drone (which obviously would be done first) -- still only going a fraction of the speed of light, would take Eons our time to get here. And dammit, we want to see them now! So therefore, there must be none out there.

They'd have to be pretty deeply committed to hostility for its own sake to travel here to harm us. I'm more afraid of alien hygiene freaks than warmongers.

The inverse square law makes our transmissions virtually undetectable from background radiation beyond a few light years. To be detectable a transmission would need to be very powerful and highly focused. We’ve sent one burst aimed at the globular cluster m13. Should be detectable by any aliens in the cluster in 21,000 years. Assuming they’re listening in our direction during the right 3-minute window.

It hasn't traveled far at all in relation to where intelligent life probably is. I don't think intelligence is even within 200 light years of us. By the time our signals reach a civilization it could be so far away the signals are diffuse and aren't detected.

Not everyone. It's already Friday morning where I'm.

Yeah... The good work of planting baseballs. 🤦

How many scientists do you know?

That’s exactly what I just did! I had an edible, though. This is my favorite thing to listen to when I consume. It’s always so interesting to listen to! 😁

@@Leopardvixen369 gotta get baked every Thursday 😁 can just zone into it! Enjoy!

Might that be the reason for the Fermi paradox?

How would we be able to know for sure what their intentions are?? Is impossible!

​@@theresebrandser Everyone out there listens and keep's quiet? Lol! Though would be interesting, there are still parameters to that. As in that nobody has send a probe and knows about us already. There should be at least some civs out there with the tech to do that. Everyday I listen to how the moon or Mars' "natural" satellites, or the alleged "Black Knight Satellite" are out there doing advanced reconnaissance. The other day someone claimed they had a nuclear war on Mars 300k(more plausible) or 300kk years ago. Maybe Aliens are more advanced and track us before we do and put 2+2 together. As in:These people are not unified. Have 200+ governments and ruling bodies. A handful of nations commands others and in their Planetary Government, usually the issue is to make war to a certain nation or not and how. Those handful countries can VETO any decision even if it is for the better of all the world. Often the "Western" countries think what benefits them is good for all while it isn't. Often the "Eastern" countries think that what is good for them is good for all, also not true. They have Civil wars. They have resources wars. Some countries are over the top rich and throw out resources they haven't even used and others don't have enough resources to make the day and die from starvation. They subsidized and profitted from peoples deaths. Pharmaceutical companies sell medicine that people can't have and could have saved their lives. They are mostly horrible parents usually only able to procreate for procreation shake and drive their offspring to lunacy as much as their spouses. They torture other people in wars with the most horrible tools and ways just in order for them to reveal where more people are and their plans so they can kill and torture them too! The assumed most powerful country of theirs is called the land of the opportunity. When at the same time one could say it's also the worst of all. Some believe it's the best thing ever. Some think it's a demon in disquise. This is also the country that used the worse WMD twice against other people. An act remembered by everyone to this day. They said they couldn't control their civil race war otherwise and had to threaten their entire species with complete annihilation if they didn't comply. People of their species that are "radicals" want to do the exact same thing to the entire "western World" for ages now, fully knowing that the reprisal would be their entire species annihilation. They have used WMD of various sorts(nuclear, chemical, microbiological etc.) in recent history and still mass produce them, to a degree they could destroy not only more than their world, but about 5 more. Hm...maybe their secret organizations detected us(why would they have organizations to keep secrets from their fellow citizens btw?) and are amassing war materials to invade? In their TV broadcasts they have these gigantic spaceships battling eachother and other civilizations with other points of view? Also they try to force other civilizations into their other body of government "United Federation of Planets" which we believe is an interstellar organization but only if they're advanced enough(e.g. have a "warp" drive) to be used by them? We believe they're mined for their "dillithium" resources and their citizens forcibly conscripted to "Starfleet". Also they have this organization "Empire" that is evil to the bone and only some people that do nearly nothing all day("Rebels") are against it. And they have those super commandos on each side that can kill everything and everyone no matter how strong they are! What if they aren't broadcast's but documentaries and if we make contact with them they reveal those and enslave us too? And have you seen those games of theirs? They're either that they are Gods and make everything in their own image or kill eachother! Mr. Minister of extraplanetary affairs, are you sure we want to make contact with such a species? Maybe we should let them eradicate themselves and maybe keep a few individuals, flora and fauna to have present in biomes throughout their planet which(the planet) we could then clean on with our technology and inhabit peacefully, treating it like it should be as the large living organism it is?

@@stevensblanco6194 Possibly determine if they're at war, aggressive, or imperialistic.

Quantum entanglement cannot work that way.

@@EventHorizonShow as regards not working that way, check out the "twin photon experiment performed by the university of Geneva at Switzerland. Then think loop.

Very mixed thoughts about WOW. Skeptical as I am about it I can't go along with dismissiveness either. A guest on an earlier show very bluntly (condescendingly?) said if it were up to her you would have never heard about the Wow Signal, and complained about wasting resources chasing it. I sympathize, but can't go that far. The minimum distance issue and the nearly perfectly parabolic rise and fall of the signal will always prevent it from being 'case-closed' false positive for me, although non-receipt by the second horn diminishes excitement I otherwise would have.

That is interesting