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Is Capitalism DESTROYING the World!? w/ Dr. Alex Plato 

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Alex Plato breaks down GK Chesterton's ideas of Hudge & Gudge (The Market System and the Liberal State). Then he explains what more recent thinkers have added, Sludge, The Technocratic Paradigm. He talks about Hillaire Belloc, Pope Francis, and Josef Pieper and what we can learn from all three.
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@jonah9861
@jonah9861 17 дней назад
Every system WITHOUT VALUES will fail.
@miriba8608
@miriba8608 17 дней назад
All systems have values, the question is WHAT the values are. Right now people value money, no matter how they attain it if that is what you mean. All systems need moral people, but what moral system is best? Communism/socialism for example, works against human nature that is why it always fails and always will.
@SaintlySaavy
@SaintlySaavy 17 дней назад
Y'all have introduced me to the Honorable G.K Chesterton and his work. I am so grateful for that. Must read and study!
@wdw196
@wdw196 16 дней назад
Just wait till you get to Hilaire Belloc.
@electronicwarrior3493
@electronicwarrior3493 17 дней назад
Catholic Distributism it is.
@tim_w
@tim_w 17 дней назад
Crickey! Dr Plato unlike most philosophers speaks and communicates ideas so simply.
@Veritas1234
@Veritas1234 15 дней назад
Does he though?
@ShimobeSama
@ShimobeSama 17 дней назад
How many NPC comments will there be just reading the title and assuming Fradd is a Marxist now? 🤣 Should we get some sort of tally going? "There are things that exist other than capitalism and Marxism?! I thought Catholicism and capitalism were the exact same thing! Prostitution can't be the result of capitalism... so it must be... Marxist. Sure. That makes sense."
@caustinolino3687
@caustinolino3687 17 дней назад
A massive portion of this was solved with remote work during the pandemic. People previously tethered to some large metropolis could move back to anywhere and work near family. Buuuut that couldnt continue because Wall St. needs you in the office, otherwise it was cause a CMBS meltdown and your not buying lunches downtown will hurt sales tax income.
@jeffreykalb9752
@jeffreykalb9752 16 дней назад
No. The problem is that most salaried people, as companies quickly earned, are not disciplined enough to work from home. And if you can collect a salary by working inefficiently or not at all, why should they let you out of their sight? Work from home only works if there are clear metrics the employer can track, and a lot of work is not like that.
@caustinolino3687
@caustinolino3687 16 дней назад
@@jeffreykalb9752 Even if WFH only works for a minority of employees, it still makes a massive difference for them and everyone else. If only 1 in 5 people became permanent WFH, that's 10s of millions of people who can move to smaller towns, be closer to family, and who can rejuvenate small economies and communities. The remaining office workers can enjoy less traffic and more real estate options with shorter commutes. For some reason some people continue opposing WFH for everyone, as if maximizing GDP is more important than all else, while small town health, wasted life commiting and extended family connections aren't very important.
@bethmcmullan7686
@bethmcmullan7686 16 дней назад
@@caustinolino3687 ah but what happened in small towns because of this? Remote workers moving from cities (with vastly higher salaries and higher value homes to sell) bought up the housing in those small towns, making it almost impossible for people growing up and working in the small town to buy a home there. That’s the experience in the UK anyway.
@mrjustadude1
@mrjustadude1 16 дней назад
​@jeffreykalb9752 my old company was wayyyy more productive when we went remote as well as my current company. Neither have gone back to the office.
@Something-ti1cj
@Something-ti1cj 17 дней назад
Capitalism pyramid is very connected with technological pyramid.And it is not followed with normal family pyramid.
@scottsmeltz3585
@scottsmeltz3585 17 дней назад
Love your work! I am really interested to hear the entire episode. Admittedly, I was ALMOST triggered by the title. Just being honest. I think the 'Is capitalism destroying the world' title is a bit misleading. So, I looking forward to getting complete context. That said, in my opinion, the two biggest problems with our economy - or any economy - is cronyism/special interests and weak money. These two things drive most of the problems.
@mountbrocken
@mountbrocken 15 дней назад
The essay by Heidegger identifies the problem of identifying a cause with the Latin word for cause which is mechanistic where as the Greek word is humanistic and deontic. In his essay on technology he reemphasizes the need to recognize Dasein as disclosing through care not mechanisms.
@77agape
@77agape 17 дней назад
Chesterton, legend !
@miriba8608
@miriba8608 17 дней назад
"Speechless" by Michael Knowles is a good book on this.
@kingbaldwiniv5409
@kingbaldwiniv5409 17 дней назад
Alex is entirely incorrect at the level of premises on most of his examples. No, socialists are NOT desiring to "protect the family" as a response to the evils of the free market. St. Simon, Faurot, Marx, Friedrich Engels all advocated for the end of the nuclear family and marriage. Belloc cited correctly that Great Britain was an aristocracy, which resulted in too few capitalists. This changed however over time. It was not a permenant aspect as to the nature of the free market or capitalism. Distributism REQUIRES, at some point, the forcible redistribution of private property by a government authority. This doesn't pass any sort of moral rational muster. It doesn't help the institution of the family. It only makes normal families poorer. The historical record is very clear that FEWER people live in poverty with the expansion of free market, capitalist economies. This is particularly true in those states with LESS government intervention, not more.
@FuddlyDud
@FuddlyDud 16 дней назад
I’m about halfway through the clip and see no recommendations to government intervention…seems more culture focused. :)
@kingbaldwiniv5409
@kingbaldwiniv5409 15 дней назад
@@FuddlyDud, how familiar are you with the history of the advocates of distributism? Hilaire Belloc, Chesterton, and to a lesser degree Dorothy Day advocated for that position. They used the same termenology, same false dichotomy of allowable economic activity, and falsely credit socialism with positive motivations and Catholically acceptable premises. Since Leo XIII, every pope has condemned socialism on a significant anniversary mark of Rerum Novarum. Distributism, in order to effect who possesses what proportions of property (the goal it contend to achieve) would require a compulsory authority in order to redistribute property.
@Veritas1234
@Veritas1234 15 дней назад
@@FuddlyDud But it's a culture they believe they can only attain if they just had things they don't currently have, by doing things they're not willing to do. Jacob Imam once said "we're going to be hypocrites for a little while" meaning they're going to be saying things they're not doing I guess. And for some reason he felt that sounded smart. What Kindbaldwin is saying is this... if the only people promoting the redistribution of land don't have any land, and the people with the land (who are essentially living out the cultural values) aren't just going to give it to them because they say so, how do they end up getting the land? They would have to appeal to an authority What I've heard them say is "we need to take it from people like Bill Gates who have bought up all the farmland and are not being proper stewards". And they really believe they would be justified to take his land because of "distributism".
@FuddlyDud
@FuddlyDud 14 дней назад
@@kingbaldwiniv5409 "....Distributism, in order to effect who possesses what proportions of property (the goal it contend to achieve) would require a compulsory authority in order to redistribute property." Agreed on all the above...however voluntary distributism is what I hear being discussed. If he recommends government institution of these practices, then I'd love a timsstamp in the livestream of heck just a quick reference would be awesome. :)
@FuddlyDud
@FuddlyDud 14 дней назад
@@Veritas1234 "...Jacob Imam once said "we're going to be hypocrites for a little while" meaning they're going to be saying things they're not doing I guess. And for some reason he felt that sounded smart. " Ok, what was the context of the quote? NOTE: We are all hypocrites in some fashion, so this feels like a non-point. "....) aren't just going to give it to them because they say so, how do they end up getting the land? They would have to appeal to an authority " Right, so this system only works in a deeply practicing community which is possible with the Christian framework we do have. Monastaries were beacons of exactly this for centuries. :) "...And they really believe they would be justified to take his land because of "distributism"." Can you show me or reference where Kindbaldwin goes as far to say something like this? :)
@jake6132
@jake6132 15 дней назад
I've recently come to hear of distributism through Dr Larry Chapp and Dorothy Day. Thank you for having this discussion
@ijiikieru
@ijiikieru 16 дней назад
When are you going to have Tom Woods on?
@scottsmeltz3585
@scottsmeltz3585 17 дней назад
I have yet to listen to the entire episode, so I am only responding to those commenting on Distributism below. I think you can get to a distributed economy through capitalism. Doesn't competition do that naturally? (that's an honest question) Things tend to centralize in two ways (or both). One is through a great idea. Great ideas deliver greater value to people and people/markets gravitate towards that. So that's good. The second one isn't so good. That's where cronyism and special interests wield their power to have an advantage over those who are trying to enter the market... sometimes with an even better idea. They usually get squashed through regulation that the "top" company so gratuitously helped create. Sorry for the long comment.
@michaelmccarthy1900
@michaelmccarthy1900 17 дней назад
Matt, please invite on Dr. Tom Woods.
@leeeiden2745
@leeeiden2745 16 дней назад
This 👆
@jeffreykalb9752
@jeffreykalb9752 16 дней назад
I think he would in 30 minutes put a complete end to all the fantasies of distributism.
@jordand5732
@jordand5732 12 дней назад
Its so odd that there are all these distributist catholics on this channel but no pro capitalist catholics like tom woods.
@danpeterson7327
@danpeterson7327 17 дней назад
This is exactly what is happening in Agriculture. We are forced to manipulate animals and plants for our own survival purpose(greed). Instead of letting animals and plants own NATURE produce goods for us.
@thunderstruck6647
@thunderstruck6647 17 дней назад
So would you rather have a Hunter gatherer society? Because the breeding and cultivation that has happened has been a net gain for everyone and allowed living everywhere.
@sadvenom7826
@sadvenom7826 17 дней назад
You would rather starve 3 days straight, and maybe get lucky with a hunt? You know that agriculture is the reason humans are more popular and don't die at young ages?
@mathematicalgeek8657
@mathematicalgeek8657 17 дней назад
@@thunderstruck6647 A good rebuttal. If we all returned to hunter-gatherers, the time human beings used to listen to podcasts like Pints with Aquinas would be a thing of the past.
@paulnolan1941
@paulnolan1941 15 дней назад
​It doesn't have to be such a dichotomy. Either big corporate agriculture or hunter gatherers. Offering only the extremes as options isn't a good way to way to approach the issue.
@millersatthefarm8
@millersatthefarm8 17 дней назад
As is often the case with philosophers, I have no idea what this guy is trying to accomplish.
@NM-tl6pe
@NM-tl6pe 17 дней назад
As it is with most philosophical views on economics, this fails practical application.
@thechampvc
@thechampvc 17 дней назад
We need Tom Woods
@N4m3B33
@N4m3B33 17 дней назад
How can we implement a distributive system eventually? What's the first step we can take today to start a grassroots movement to eventually make the american capilist system be replaced?
@sadvenom7826
@sadvenom7826 17 дней назад
Damn, the commies have infiltrated the catholics.
@mathematicalgeek8657
@mathematicalgeek8657 17 дней назад
So you will grab people's land using govt? You should read the origins of Belloc and Chesterton's work on distributism. Marxism influenced it.
@jeffreykalb9752
@jeffreykalb9752 16 дней назад
As with all wealth redistribution, you begin with the barrel of a gun. Is that your plan? If not, then you will fail. If it is, then you should be arrested.
@Veritas1234
@Veritas1234 16 дней назад
You do not have to replace the capitalist system to live out "distributist" values. The capitalist system allows for you to grow your own crops, feed yourself, not use as much technology as you want, mainly do whatever you want. If you feel you can't do any of those things without me doing it for you, or giving you my land, and I don't want to give you anything, and you still end up with that stuff, it means it was taken from me. It's super simple. Distributism cannot be enforced. It's something that can only be lived out by the person espousing it. It cannot be espoused onto others.
@mathematicalgeek8657
@mathematicalgeek8657 16 дней назад
@@Veritas1234 This is just nonsense. How is exchange "distributist"?
@Tybourne1991
@Tybourne1991 17 дней назад
Let's try thinking of words as signs and guides, not just tools. They're here to enable us to understand ourselves, not just control the world around us. Seeing words as tools ties us into a technocratic mindset, aligning us with Team Sludge! 🧟‍♂️ Let's shift our focus instead to values like community, humanity, and connection. Rise up for what truly matters: relationships, human persons and meaningful work, while honoring our roots! 🏞
@ASMRConservative
@ASMRConservative 17 дней назад
No, greed and power are, though.
@josephmoya5098
@josephmoya5098 15 дней назад
While I agree that American capitalism is a deeply flawed economic model, I could never get behind actual distributivism, whoch always struck me as campy socialism with a Catholic veneer. What i always thought people really want is a limited Aristocracy, a landowner who has repsinsibilities to his employees, to give them a good life and to build beautiful things, homes, countrysides, ect. I think its what the socialists really want. They want a semi governental official to be responsible for housing them, giving them work, giving them healthcare, and keeping things beautiful. Well, that is just an Aristocrat. It is also what the capitalists want. Without protections, we would have seen captialism devolve into company towns, which is just Aristocratic serfdom with none of the mutual demands of responsibility, and all of the exploitation for someone who lives someplace else. And Aristocrat who is tied to an estate has a natrual interest in keeping his estate in the best condition possible, both for his enjoyment and for his progeny. He has an interest in maintaining a good life for his workers, who without which he would be destitute, and his land would be delivered to someone else. He has an interest in building good, lasting things rather than cheap, disposable things, because he is passing said things of value on to his children. Basically, everything people want is just a meritocratic Aristocracy.
@SubFlow22
@SubFlow22 17 дней назад
We've found nothing better than Capitalism.
@martynaspaukste2583
@martynaspaukste2583 17 дней назад
If Capitalism is the best of all the other systems then God have mercy on all of us
@igorlopes7589
@igorlopes7589 17 дней назад
Capitalism as it stands right now is clearly a force against family, religion, nation, local culture and God
@georgem5589
@georgem5589 17 дней назад
If only we had pure capitalism, it stomps on sinfulness. Doctrine of the fall seems to be the only truth sometimes.
@mathematicalgeek8657
@mathematicalgeek8657 17 дней назад
@@martynaspaukste2583 It is the best. There are simply no solutions. Only trade-offs.
@jeffreykalb9752
@jeffreykalb9752 16 дней назад
@@martynaspaukste2583 You prefer organized theft?
@DensityMatrix1
@DensityMatrix1 17 дней назад
According to the DR, I'm an innovator and conditioner, however I don't reject transcendence.
@mrjustadude1
@mrjustadude1 16 дней назад
Ok?
@DensityMatrix1
@DensityMatrix1 16 дней назад
@@mrjustadude1 just commenting dude
@mrjustadude1
@mrjustadude1 16 дней назад
Yeah for sure! But care to elaborate?
@DensityMatrix1
@DensityMatrix1 16 дней назад
@@mrjustadude1 Even though one attempts to control their local environment e.g Nature or the Earth the scope of things outside one's control is infinitely larger. I can't control Physics or Mathematics, so the ratio of things I can control is N divided by infinity so it's zero in the limit. I work in robotics and AI so these topics aren't just intellectual for me but things I wrestle with
@katarinam2434
@katarinam2434 15 дней назад
This is worst thing I've listened to on Pints w Aquinas! Don't use technology, yet 'I'm using this digital platform to spread my opinions ' (if you tell people not to use technology, then why aren't you in some field, city square etc to spread your views????) I'm a catholic and very angry right now!!
@bruh-dg5yw
@bruh-dg5yw 12 дней назад
they never said don’t use technology
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