How Bad is Cheap House Paint? Let's Find Out! 

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He has more than eclipsed a million! Almost at 2 mill now.

@@TheRealDanBell He just broke 2M. God bless this man. I love his channel so much. He's in my top 3 along with Louis Rossman and the LockPickingLawyer (I strongly suggest you check out both, you'll love them)

@@Bri-bn5kt I've seen lock picking lawyer I'll check out the other one.

@@TheRealDanBell Excellent! He does component-level repair on macbooks and phones (he hates apple) but he's a MASSIVE force in the Right-to-Repair movement. A very important, growing movement that needs as many people as possible. He does a lot of lobbying for it, and he talks about RTR, the shady practices of a lot of companies that try to take away your right to ownership, and RTR friendly products, like the Framework laptop. Check him out! Even if you're not into electronics, he's fascinating to watch.

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Don't forget those who own a lawnmower!!!! Lol!

@@charitysweetcharity3091 I never knew how much stuff a Lawn mower can run on.

This channel good for anyone that breathes oxygen.

Yea, I know, many products he has tested I have gone out to buy (when needed) and I have been happy with the results....even saving money over the bigger brands...

Thanks for the suggestion.

@@ProjectFarm Perhaps also testing how additives like Floetrol/Penetrol and/or water and mineral spirits affect the fluidity and other performance aspects of each brand?

Agree!

Definitely get Hippo Sak trash bags. Those things are amazing. 1.02 mil.

A lot of it depends on the thickness (mil)

@@socialjusticewarrior9601 I'm down with the thickness.

I'll tell you right now husky trash bags should be left on the shelf. Awful.

Just read the "mil" rating. At .8 they begin to be durable.

lol. Great video idea!

LOL......lol.......LOL🤣😂

Hehe yeah good one!! 😎 😅

maybe some oil based paints

A C Creations oil base in the crankcase I suggested that over a year ago would be pretty interesting to watch

Thank you!

Right 😂😂😂

That was funny!

Thank you very much and I wish you the best of success

lol. That's a tough one!! I'm still trying to figure out Ms. Farm too.

Something you make for her.

@@ProjectFarm The secret is this: Tell her to guess what you got her/where you're taking her/what you're doing. Whatever she guesses (that isn't sarcastic) you feign shock that she got it on the first guess...then do exactly that. It works almost every time.

You can always give her a lawn mower.

A dating app.

Great tip!

@@ProjectFarm can you confirm that?

To bad my wife isn't paint.... she'd cover.

@@joelizak3513 I hope for your well being she never sees that comment lol

Too bad we cant get lead paint any more then amirite

Thank you!

Same!

Same - I'm always waiting for the "very impressive" test result. It's like I hear myself saying it just as.... Project Farm is narrating it? Dave? Mike? Rick? Dude PF if you read this what is your first name?

@@ProjectFarm where's Dulux and Four seasons etc?

Me too! I don't do any home improvement stuff, so I have no idea why lol

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Thank you!

i can buy cheaper paint that works better.

@@bailey2624 such as?

@@larrysaylor6770 I'm a painter too, Emerald is in the top tier for residential interiors. I wouldn't put too much stock into his claim that he can find better for cheaper.

@@Mygoditsfullofstars I like both Emerald and Duration. I like the way Duration cuts, the workability is a little better, but Emerald is a superior quality in the long run. I don't guarantee any other paint.

I Just used super paint and am very impressed. $39 a gallon.

I've been using Sherwin Williams paints for years. I didn't know it performed this much better all around. I use it because it's easy to apply, it covers well, and it levels great. I can cut in with a brush, let it dry, then apply two coats with a roller and you can't see the cut-in. It will make a bad painter look good. I've used that really thick stuff in the past and always got horrible looking results.

Same. I randomly used it for a project and have never used anything else,

I used to spend more for multiple costs of cheap paint with what Sherman Williams does in one. An absolute revalation I learned 15 years ago

@@ikeyeet8312 you should try Cloverdale Super II. It's the same price as SW superpaint but much better. I actually don't like most SW products that much.

Thanks for sharing!

Thank you!

Lol

Same!

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I was told by people at Menards that Dutch Boy paint is also made by Sherwin Williams.

@@btbinnovationsllc6815 SW do indeed own Dutch boy. However, SW don't force those acquired companies to change their formulas. They're fairly autonomous in that regard.

Interesting. At one time, years ago, Color Place was a Valspar paint. I got that information from a technical person at Valspar. Evidently, things have changed since then.

Dutch boy as well.

Thank you very much!!

honestly man

Thanks for sharing!

Thank you for the positive comment!

You are welcome! Thanks for the feedback.

Thanks for the feedback.

I was flipping houses as a hobby for years before the market went crazy. Duration for walls and Emerald for trim and doors was my go to. Despite knowing I'll be selling the property, it's a huge time saver and worth saving an aching back.

I painted a couple of rooms for clients with Emerald and Marquee, and they both proved to cover better, roll much more easily, and stink less than the other paints. Emerald was $10/gal more than Marquee (still is) and it is definitely worth it. That's all I've used in my home since 2014. I saved a few bucks by going with the A-100 contractor paint at Sherwin Williams and regretted it 7 years later when it began chalking a bit. The next coat of paint the outside of my house gets is SW Duration, or maybe their SuperPaint.

Thanks for the video ideas.

Always enjoy watching these videos. Would also love to see Benjamin Moore, after some experience painting I can tell you that it is worth the extra price from the big box store paint. If you sign up for a cash account at your local paint store you will most likely get a discount on the paint making it not that much more (or cheaper if you consider coverage). Not sure where Project Farm is based but it might be nice to see some comparison with the high end imported European paints if they are available in his area.

Ben Moore is never on any of the tests I looked at. Used Benjamin Moore for many years as well as Sherwin Williams all top grade. But right now prices are getting out of control and I think Benjamin Moore is having a problem with surfactant leaking. If you want to try a very good paint in my opinion at $40 a gallon try behr scuff defense. And I said I would never use behr before

Would like to see an extended test wit this field and BM that would include paint thickness as well as different roller sizes (can instructions as well as non-adherence).

Benjamin Moore missing was a huge miss :(

Thank you!

Project Farm thank YOU! And thanks for answering. I will always watch your videos.

Thank you!

Great recommendation! Thank you

Agreed and water based alkyd urethane from Sherwin Williams

Clayton Yates yes yes yes! And ceiling paints!

Many are as thick as batter too,not only that one.

@@vaderladyl I’ve tried “top-of-the-line” Behr, Valspar, and Sherwin Williams. They don’t come close to the Benjamin Moore, but the SW is definitely better than the other two. What have you had success with?

Thanks for the suggestion.

​@@ProjectFarmhow are you replying to a 1 month old comment on a 4 year old video? Your dedication to your channel is unmatched.

Yep the best.

Yes, please. Anyway to add in Ben Moore? I work with a guy who swears by Ben Moore like I do with Sherwin Williams.

Dunn Edwards, Vista,F&W and others brands

Rodda paint - Masterpainter

Benjamin Moore is fantastic. I've just been repainting my parents white wood handrails with it and the coverage is fantastic. It's like thick creamy oil based paint yet it's water based and doesn't skin over in your paint tray.

Maybe. But in my neighborhood its expensive.

Lot of places don't have a Benjamin Moore supplier near by like my town. But I do have a Sherwin Williams.

I don't think Ben Moore holds a candle to Duration. I used lots of Ben Moore around 2003-2008. Lots of fading, lots of early mildew, not as thick or drip free, no elasticity, etc. People think because they pay more, they get more. You can't get more than what you pay, but you can get less. That said, only Ben Moore forced their customers into one coat dirty white in 2003, a decade after all other companies switched to allowing clean whites that required three coats. For this reason alone, it was worth switching to Benjamin Moore. 2003 was first year that SW introduced an array of colors that require 9 coats, else 2 coat of Grey (shifted to target color) plus 3 minimum of target color. This can cost ten thousand dollars additionally on new construction in a custom home, easily. This cost is usually borne by the painter, since the homeowners and general contractors are not honest enough with themselves to cover.... The fade free Aurora has never been seen in town of 200k people, as the tint machines are too expensive. Nevertheless, sadly fade free only applies to interiors where fading should seldom be a problem.

Benjamin Moore is my favorite. It would have been nice to see how it did in this test. Not complaining though. I have put it up against some of these already.

Great feedback, thanks!

Valspar is a good paint.I use it among Behr.

HD is truly a shit show with regard to employees lately.

@@ILruffian Went there again today. Can't find an employee to help when you need to find out where something is, and then if you are lucky enough to 'run in to one', they don't know where the product is at. (and I worked there briefly before Covid hit March 2020)

@@sawchucksaves1867 No doubt. I had a delivery of flooring. Pro Desk told me it was on the truck, would be there before noon. No show. no call. Store did not answer for the rest of the day. The next morning at 6:50 AM, two criminal looking dudes with a rented truck show up unannounced to deliver. Tried to get me to sign for everything without a bill of lading.

Thank you for the video idea!

This was a hard lesson I learned later in life. Instead of looking at the cheapest price, I started to look at buying things strategically. Sometimes cheaping out bit me in the end. The other aspect is that I don't have 100% stable income, so maybe I could invest in a more durable product so that it doesn't break when I'm in-between jobs if I'm ahead on the funds at the moment. The third is the "going to Walmart to save that $1 would cost me $1.50 in gasoline", provided I actually did save $0.50 at Walmart. This is also not to mention that the extra time it would take out of my weekend. Driving around too much sometimes wore me out on top of this, and I found myself spending 1/3 to 1/2 of a tank of gasoline to chase these deals. There goes $10-20 right there Cheaping out does have its value, like if you are starting out, if your income can't support something expense (at the moment), or if you aren't sure you'll actually use the thing. Still, they are great life lessons for me

From a contractors point of view, especially if you're getting paid by the job, it makes sense to buy good paint. If you can get the job done in less coats, you're simply making more money. The cost of the paint is probably only 25% of the total cost of the job. Prep and labor make up the rest. If you can cut application labor down by half , you've made more money on the job, and the customer gets a better performing product to boot.

Thanks for the feedback.

Thank you for the feedback!

Thanks for sharing.

$90/gallon?? The paint better put it's self on the wall for that price!

Thank you very much!!

I have had really good luck with Milwaukee. JMO

Thank you for the video idea!

@@ThePerpetualStudent Strongly agree! Milwaukee is significantly better than the others, Dewalts newer style (silver with yellow band) bits (seems like they "borrowed" the design directly from Milwaukee) are 2nd best, followed by Makita gold 3rd. I've went through hundreds of #2 phillips tips over the last decade, trying all brands sold at the orange & blue box store. *Haven't tried any Menards or HF brands.

Wera are the best

@@bhough410 dewalt is up to 5 separate lines of bits ( a basic "chinesium", toughguard, maxfit, maximpact, and flextorque) but i agree even their super-premium flextorque is not quite up to the phosphated shockwaves. TTI has 5 grades too.. Ryobi basic " chinesium", ryobi flex-whatever ( still made of chinese s2) , milwaukee shockwave uncoated, milwaukee shockwave phosphated, and shockwave matrix ( super premium but had QC issues that temporarily stopped production) Some other videoreviewers have placed makita gold as king of the kill and i know it used to be, before all the torsion bits started emerging.

Thank you!

Thanks for sharing.

If you go to Lowe's you will get a 10% military discount on most items which includes paint well pretty sure at least. I work for Lowe's so I thought that would help you so you don't have to wait for sales.

Sorry about that

You are so welcome!

Thanks for the feedback.

What material is your tent?

@@stephenarling1667 polyester

Go to Walmart and the outdoor section and they usually have waterproofing sprays. I got some for my work boots it works amazing. But it's very smelly stuff so apply it outside and let it vent 😂.

Thank you for the recommendation!

Be careful with Scuff X, it sticks way too good and makes it impossible to clean up accidental drops on doors and cabinets. Aura more forgiving with clean up.

Ok, I am having one-coat trouble today as well. I'm about to go buy a gallon of white paint from Benjamin Moore. If you want I'll come back and report how it does.

If someone actually comes out with a one coat coverage paint I'll be ecstatic. Generally speaking, I've found the best paints are in the mid range of price. The cheap ones don't cover things well, even after 2 or 3 coats, and the expensive ones cover things well after 2 coats, but not any better than the mid range paints. I'd gladly pay double for a paint that actually is 1 coat coverage.

@@HipposaurusRex That's pretty much my experience too - mid-range is good enough for two-coat coverage, so there is no need to pay top dollar.

I work at a paint store. Our policy is to always tell people to use two coats, No matter what paint their using.

@@HipposaurusRex you'll probably never find that. Even the best paints need at least 2

hahah. Yeah. Every time I watch a video of his after not seeing one for a while, I cringe at his voice at first. Then I get used to it again, and enjoy the video.

@@myxfit I love his diction and his delivery. He sounds like a man that's served on a ship of some sort.

Huh? Speak up. I can't hear ya 🤣🤣🤣

@@sagebrushrepair I believe he said he served in the Navy for a number of years so that would make sense.

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Behr was bad when it first came out, it is actually really good now. Benjamin Moore is great, but very expensive. I need to try the Emerald for comparison.

@@rayfitz54 Definitely

I love Behr. Never let me down.

@@vaderladyl I hear that. 🍀

Thanks for the feedback.

Thanks for the video idea.

Interesting info! What roller nap size do you recommend?

Thank you for the information on anti scuff paint

Yeah that Benjamin Moore paint is some good stuff but you're sure gonna pay for it.

@@Cautionary_Tale_Harris very. First time in 5 years I'm not working. Boss laid me off. sales get too slow this time of year. Hopefully I can find a store that does Ben Moore since I am an expert with their paint lol

@@Werewolfmage Good luck to you, Pete. I hope you find something you enjoy, even if it isn't what you expected.

Ultra-Spec is Benny's entry level line. Good stuff, I use it all the time. Their highest-end product is the Aura line, and it's decent. A step down from that is the Regal line, which is my personal favorite, by far.

Thanks for the feedback.

How many years of painting does it take till I can roll paint with my eyes?

Yeah, kinda. Showcase is Lowe's, not HD. Every paint manufacturer has a range of product from cheap trash to premium stuff, and they all get their base material from the same factories. Flats aren't really washable. No Ben Moore tested. etc.

Thats a bold statement ! It made raise one eyebrow . Maybe you could explain yourself.

Thank you very much for the positive feedback!

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Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.

Yes Please test this! Most important for DIY people

lol. Let's hear the jokes!

you know what's more boring than watching paint dry? . ... ..... ....... ..... ... . watching dry paint

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Knock knock Who’s there? Paint drying I ain’t waiting on that punch line.

I was going to make a paint joke, but y'all got them all covered.

Great tip!

Thanks!

Thank you!!

Thanks! Thanks for sharing.

Thank you for the feedback

Thanks and you are welcome!

What are you going with ? Valspar Signature ?

Thanks for the constructive feedback

Glad to hear!

Great tip!

Its because their paint is garbage and they charge too much for it in the first place.

@@AJCsr So you didn't watch the video then?

@@AJCsr he says, idiotically, about the paint that performed best in EVERY SINGLE TEST.

@@AJCsr yeah that's not true

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Thanks for the feedback.

I agree.

The hard part is getting it back in the can to return it.

Rochester Motorsports Yeah at Home Depot with their mid grade, but the first words these out of their mouth was terms and conditions. Not worth my time.

See above comment

Sherwin Williams is actually very good at throwing contractors paint when problems arise. With Duration or Emerald you can daily guarantee the paint job for five years, and get the call back in 8-10 for a redo from satisfied customers.

I was able to back charge my Sherwin Williams store as they gave me a different formula paint (same brand different year). I've heard that Benjamin Moore does this aswell. I think it all comes down to the rep you're dealing with.

Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.

Sorry about that

As a painter I can tell you it will not outperform the Sherwin Williams emerald or the behr Marquis. But it is a good paint. Designer branding aside you get what you pay for with paint and coverage abilities.

Do love Benjamin Moore. It is affordable, and performed pretty well each time I've used it.

I would also like to see a faceoff between the top 3 or 4 and include Benjamin Moore. I have used it a lot and agree you get what you pay for. Would like to see how it does against the SW.

Pratt and Lambert makes a good top quality white so does Dunn Edwards. Pro tip is never use totally pure white it doesn't cover as well as even a slightly tinted white. If you really just gotta have pure white then have them add 2 shots of white pigment to a gallon at the mixing station.

Cheaper paint means more work and less durability (how much you can scrub it for example). 2 coats with emerald will fully hide almost anything. Really cheap paint, you'll need 3 or 4 coats and some stuff, like sharpie, can bleed through it.

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Thank you!

make sure to check out his old tests like duct tape and drywall nails , oh man all his tests are so good

Great feedback. Thank you

As a professional painter, I've definitely warned people off of the high end Behr paints on DIY projects for this reason. Heavy bodied paints are one of the easiest ways to end up with a flawed finish due to sagging or roll texture that's heavy/inconsistent. The average person doing DIY also at the mercy of someone behind a paint counter being proactive enough to warn them that the typical cheap paint brush is way too soft to properly spread heavy bodied premium paints like Behr and some others.

Always add water to the latex

Glad I could help!

@@ProjectFarm on a side note, did you know that paint can now has a plastic lid with a 2 inch screw opening for a pour spout? And they even supply that too!

Thank you for the video idea!

I've had two coats with valspar ultra, signature, and sherm wills emerald before, and out of all three the emerald finished two coats with no back lapping and you can screw up your lap lines and the second coat still blends and fades evenly unlike the valspars where you need to fade away lap lines and maintain a constant wet edge with pretty much standard by the book painting. Take your time and do it right with the valspars, or act like gonzo with the emerald and still have it finish "professionally". Just my 35 cents.

Scott Prazak the real test is how often you need to paint because it fades or looks drab. Porter paints or Benjamin Moore is the best for this!

Thanks 👍

Thanks for sharing.

The primer is only in the paint for durability, washability, scrub ability and how scuff resistant it is. I work at Lowe's in the paint department. It does hide stuff to a certain extent but if it's a new surface or changing from a dark color to a light color you always have to use primer as the first step.

@@TheCowboy4000 I guess I was lucky. We bought my in-laws house after they passed. The paneling was put up by my father in law back in 1968. We wanted to brighten the rooms up so we painted them cottage white with Valspar, no other primer. 2 coats and it came out beautiful. That was 5 years ago. Still love it.

Thanks for sharing!

Thank you very much!

Great point!

Because it’s rarely a possibility and never a good idea if you care about durability and ultimate finish.

I'm just saying that "One Coat" is false advertising. No paint can cover in one coat. My best friend is a very successful professional house painter and he laughs at the marketing BS about "One Coat" coverage.

I love your honest opinion about the products that you test. You have one of the best channels on YT. Thanks for all of your hard work!!!

Man I would love to see you cover those marks with one coat.

Thanks for sharing!

Great suggestion! Thank you.

Its going to be roughly the same, unless he has 30 years to see actual performance over time.

Thanks for the feedback.

MoorGard is my favorite but yeah, Ben Moore for the win

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You are welcome!

You're very welcome!

Great constructive feedback and great test idea!

Sorry about that. I'll have to include Ace paints in the future. Great suggestion!

@@ProjectFarm In 2013 Clark+Kensington took the top rating from consumer reports. Naturally my wife wanted to try it, so I got a gallon of gray and went to work on the downstairs bathroom. It took four coats to sufficiently cover the previously yellow wall. In similar conditions I've gotten sufficient coverage with two coats of Behr Premium Plus (a grade or two below the Marquee).

Ace paints are made by Sherwinn Williams just different labels on same paint sold as Valspar and SW

@@houptee Interesting, since I've driven past the Valspar factory and saw absolutely nothing with the SW name on it.

@@HariSeldon913 SW bought Valspar and also made the Ace paint brands. But I just read this article form July 2019 that says Benjamin Moore is going to start making the Ace paints Clark Kensington and Ace will also sell Benjamin Moore too. If you look up on Wikipedia PPG and Sherwinn Williams they list all the brands each company owns. They are the 2 big players in the paint wars gobbling up all the smaller brands. Lowes made a deal with SW to be exclusive and they now only sell SW brands Valspar and HGTV by SW. Lowes removed all PPG paint brands such as Olymipic which was same exact paint as Glidden. Then PPG made a deal with Home Depot and they started pushing the PPG branded paints along with Glidden and Olympic stains. Behr merged with Kilz under the Masco corp. Benjamin Moore is part of the portfolio of Warren Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway. www.wsj.com/articles/berkshire-hathaways-benjamin-moore-to-become-main-paint-supplier-for-ace-hardware-11562788833

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Thanks for the video idea.

@@ProjectFarm I would also suggest Dunn-Edwards. They are super high quality, and the brand I use the most.

@@stevengiron8781 no one has ever heard of Dunn Edward’s

I'm a painter and I don't recomend ben moore. Sw duration and emerald are the best paints. Most housewives do however recomend ben moore. Fact is ben moore is fine it just doesnt cover as well as sw duration or emerald.

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I was surprised about Moore not being included as well.

DaRealHBIC LOL yeah my wife bought some when we bought our first house. It was absolute garbage.

Nautica was a base, its not paint. It needs to have chemicals and dyes added to be real paint. Its supposed to be done at the store, he didnt get it done so its just a can of filler.