Is Colonel Whitehill the Best Hope for the Legacy of the Enclave? 

She is definitely better than Eden.

FO3 could've been so much more. Instead of a real faction they turned the Enclave into retarded mustache twirling villians

​@@lastmangameplan Is she really better? Yes, she canceled this insane plan to spray FEV, which would have led to not only the death of all survivors - but almost all life on the planet. But she shares another extremely dangerous trait of the Enclave - Old World Blues. And even more precisely - an obsession with old America. How will she deal with us and the rest of the wasteland? How does she imagine a reborn USA? Will she enforce “democracy through violence” or will she choose a more diplomatic solution? A huge number of new countries grew up in the wasteland: the Commonwealth, NCR, New-Vegas, Midwest Brotherhood of Steel and others. The Enclave, like the Capital Brotherhood, sees everything only in black and white - but the wasteland is gray. Like everyone else before it. The world has changed irreversibly - the old one can no longer be returned, there is no point in copying the old system when it led the world to destruction. It is possible to build a new world based on past mistakes. We need to accept the new world and improve it without relying on outdated ideas. If she learns this truth, then she will have a chance. Otherwise America will become history.

To this day I desperately wish I could have sided with COL Autumn in fallout 3 and distributed water without FEV.

​@@BullMooseFox the man is admittedly an idiot, and is written as such.

Agreed.

I sided with Ward because I wanted the promotion to Colonel

I sided with Ward because he and Nate and understand each other better as both Pre-War soldiers lost centuries after America was wiped out by atomic fire and because he doesn't have to worry about the FEV messing him up due to perfect genetic health. I do plan to do a second character run and go with Whitehill if only cause seeing Enclave flags and soldiers in Diamond City and Bunker Hill after finishing the Mod Quest feel weird with Ward vs Whitehill and I want to hear her speeches on Enclave Radio.

My thoughts exactly.

Fallout 3 could've been so much more.

@@georgestauber2636fallout 3 is my favorite due to just the vibe alone of the game it’s like the road or other apocalypse iterations dark gloom BoS is cool but the enclave was just so interesting

You should've been able to join the Enclave@@allenaju1856

I'm definitely siding with her in my next game, currently finishing an evil Enclave playthrough. This mod is fantastic, it's writing is way better than all the other factions and not limited to shitty Bethesda writing.

Good point, but I think my theory is sexier.

@@lastmangameplan Maybe. Maybe I'm just *jealous* of the good Quartermaster. Hell, I'd take the Quartermaster *too.*

why bother , just install THOSE mod's

@@creatorsfreedom6734 Because THOSE mods don't quite work as well in Fallout as they do in Skyrim.

@@lastmangameplan There's something else that I just now thought of. There are points in the mod where the Quartermaster is shown to be entertaining a fling with Lt. Fitzpatrick.

She threads the needle pretty well.

She’s a woman…and for faction that needs to be ruthless to survive against string foes, you can’t rely on the weakest of our species.

She’s a woman…

That does sound a lot like Whitehill. I haven't played Fallout 76, so I didn't know about Santiago.

I am glad it does seem like Bethesda realized people really like the enclave and are finding ways to bring them back from the TV show to fallout 76 new map expansion adding a new enclave bunker with possible new MAJOR enclave stronghold revealed

Pretty much. She makes the Enclave look a bit more like the Institute that way.

Everyone wants to save the world - they just disagree on how to do it. Best quote from new fallout show that sums up all the factions.

I think she would be a great companion.

She is the voice actress for "Ivy". So you could use her. Also, Amazing Follower's Tweaks would be a good plus. Dialogue wouldn't be much but she can follow you.

@@aries1765 Isn't that a coomer mod?

5 months old and I still gotta respond cause obviously my boy the one and only MYERS he was obviously number one voice actor could have voiced all the npcs himself

You aren't alone. She does get compared to Autumn and it made me feel a little better about being with the Enclave.

Agreed. I think the faction is more nuanced when they aren't pumping the skies with death. That's why I like Whitehill. ;)

It's in his speech too? You must be right, but I still don't like his style as much. ;)

@@lastmangameplan General Ward clothes are badass asf, and I'm not sure, but maybe, the FEV isn't as un-discriminate as Whitehill says, since from my memory, (he) traitor enclave guy doesn't die from the FEV, and he isn't from a vault, neither from high command, because of this, we can take that the Kane-9 FEV, it just kills highly mutated tissue, so the average wastelander, would probably just be sick, or not even feel it.

@@lastmangameplan in Ward's speeche, he says "The Insitute, so feared by the Commonwealth is now under our fold!", Something like that, so in the mod's lore, is probably cannon that the insitute is under the Enclave fold's, not mattering the leadership. Also, do you know what happens if you refuse the institute proposal to the Enclave annex 'em? I didn't try, but I imagine there's some sorta mission which we do a massive invasion of the Institute, or Idk

​@@spomja375 I can answer that if you want.

@@spomja375 I’ve done two playthroughs with one being taking over the institute with the enclave and the other obviously being to destroy the institute. If you choose not to side with Armstrong he immediately sets up a synth ambush/attack right outside North Boston PD after your interaction with him

Yeah. I wondered about that too. It was her or him though. I chose both ways just to see.

I appreciated that too.

I think so too.

She is kind of a Colonel Autumn, yeah.

Frank Jr. would have made daddy proud if he were alive today.

@@lastmangameplan So long as he isn't a *MOROOOOON!* and forget his *MARK TWO POWERED COMBAT ARMOR HE HAS LOST!*

Sim Settlements 2 raises that same question for me. It is amazing as well.

Myers made me think of what Pat Morita might have sounded like in his early 30s. XD Wonderful mod, amazing story, they really put together a winner with that one.

Ok ok ok. You guys pitching for the General Ward choice have convinced me. I'll do another playthrough.

Based, I’ve sided with general ward and senator matthews for pure human supremacy and hating everyone equally.

lmao tbh I think matthews is an arrogant nutsack.

@@ThatRotundGamer Dunno about that. I like General Ward, but Matthews I hate. He's your average arrogant and selfish politician who are responsible for the destruction of the US economically and literally in the Fallout universe.

It really does, doesn't it?

@@lastmangameplan Yes it does

I wonder if that was intentional?

I felt the same way.

I'll get back to Starfield soon, but Fallout is where my heart is.

@@lastmangameplan Totally understandable.

Many people just didn’t find Starfield compelling. I tried it, but was so unimpressed after the first two hours, I returned it and went back to playing Fallout 4.

Starfield? Is that like a new astronomy simulator or something?

Star field always turns me off as gameplay I watched always looked lackluster or like combat sucked. I like a challenge and fallout 4 with the right mods is so challenging ​@@QualityPen

Gunning for a promotion? ;)

@@lastmangameplan In literal sense.😁

Based

Did that playthrough as well. Best choice i did. Didnt like whitehill at all

I promise you it feels like a legitimate 5th vanilla faction.

@@lastmangameplan Cool! Also is AR2 a sequel or a remake of the first? And should I download both or just one

@@cacokid1489 You only need America Rising 2, AM1 is the outdated version. The mod is amazing, I finished it and felt like a real expansion that integrates well into the story. The mod was recently updated which gives the option to pacify and recruit the Enclave remnants recently added via next gen update.

Right?

I think it has more to do with long term exposure. The enclave remnants like col. Whitehill spent a decade in the commonwealth and were exposed to significant radiation whereas those at high command and the oil rig had minimal exposure

The Minutemen and the Enclave seem like they'd be at odds eventually, but my playthrough didn't ever bring it to that point.

@@lastmangameplan Well yes and no depending on Whithills actions towards the Minuteman and the Settalments(+Population) because i can see her going full reformer once the Enclave central command starts to breathing down her nack going compromised that the Average Waster just as Enclave personal is a normal person with Ghouls maybe being lucky and becoming 2 Grade Civilians but all that goes into HOI4 OWB Submod length xD

the Enclave would simply use the Minutemen as a proxy. Why bother patrolling the countryside when the Minutemen can do it for you. It frees up resources and gives the illusion of cooperation to citizens. Using proxies isn't new for the Enclave. They use others as proxies in Appalachia like the Responders.

I’ve left Preston and his group in sanctuary for my entire play through and they’re condemned to stay there forever

The SS is a Major at the end of the campaign (not the highest military rank but still of great importance) and General of the minutemen. The SS would just use the minutemen as their own personal army to combat mutants, feral, etc. Plus the Minutemen could be equipped with Enclave Power armor. Not to mention the minutemen are decently patriotic so they would have the Enclaves respect

If the timing was just right, and if you didn't take the quest from Barret that sent you looking for a missing Vertibird to start beef with the Railroad...Maybe.

Whitehill never sent me to destroy the Railroad, but I also never took a quest from Barret. I’m 99% sure you can’t take control of the BoS though.

The Enclave view the Brotherhood of Steel as traitors to the United states army (which they canonically are) and peace would be out of the option for them. The Institute would either be forced into submission or obliterated since their tech, particularly tge literal ability to clone perfectly loyal soldiers/sleeper agents would be invaluable to the Enclave. Railroad would probably be watched or ignored. Minutemen would likely act as a proxy army, particularly if the Sole Survivor is their general, mainly because why lose pure american lives when you can send the corrupted muties of the wasteland to do it for you?

@@Psycho3678 Whitehill and Autumn doesn't see wastelanders as muties, and routing them as mutants is the same stupid error that led to The Chosen One ripping them a new one with the LW going full Kyle Katarn up them twice thanks to Richardson and Eden AI. Even the Semi-Canon Midwest Chapter learned that the hard way and accepted Gen 1 and 2 SM's into their ranks.

I like that analogy!

Nah the marines would also be enclave Semper fi

The mod itself doesn't have any re-requirements outside the Vanilla game I don't think, but the quest requires something like level 5 before it starts. The mod description on Nexus has an invite link to Otellino's Mods--a Discord channel where the mod author and the community might be able to help you.

@lastmangameplan I figured it out. I had to start a new game. It's a whole new game DLC kinda and didn't know that. But it triggered when I started from the beginning which is what I was planning anyway 👍🏼

I don't remember waiting too long for the next quest to pop up. But try talking to the main Enclave characters and see if one of them gets the ball rolling.

The mod is integrated with the main quest line, the next missions start roughly around the time you enter the institute for the first time

Just listen in on enclave radio and you’ll get the quest

Would that be a playthrough where you choose one of the opportunities to refuse to help the Enclave, and then go a Brotherhood route? I didn't think that would work, but I'd be very interested in what you find.

Yes. I did see someone did a play through with the BoS and Institute vs the Enclave but they didn't show if the new world space is still available or what can you do with the things the mod brings if you destroy the Enclave. @@lastmangameplan

Right?! It was compelling.

@@lastmangameplan just beat it with Whitehill and I stand by what I said. Honestly after hearing her speech at the end I think this is the closest to siding with Colonel Autumn we’re ever gonna get.

That's a good question. When you say getting the radio going, do you mean the one on the oil rig? I can't remember if any new quests popped up before Senator Matthews arrives on the oil rig or not...

Not sure about the radio, but if you’re stuck waiting after the quest “Remnants” it’s because you need to progress the main game story, up until you need to head into the Glowing Sea to meet Virgil.

The main quest of this mod is linked directly to the main quest of the base game. Progress that and you'll be notified when the next quest for this mod is available.

Like the rest of the factions, there comes a point where you can't do more things until you progress with the vanilla story. Right now, you would be in the "early game", when the BoS arrives in Boston, you start the "mind game," and when you enter the Institute, you establish the "late game." In each phase, you unlock the content of each faction.

True, especially since I can't get FEV grenades to do much damage even on ghouls. LOL

I agree that it inherently emphasizes the prewar origins better than other faction beginnings.

No, General Ward is our best hope at victory

Yes. They still do. Whitehill is still Enclave like that.

@@lastmangameplanI thought as much. She really is Enclave. Well, maybe a more “Diet Coke” version of them. As you said. In your video, she does take a more measured approach. She values the lives of her men, but little outside of that. A very well written video by yourself. The mod itself is phenomenal.

Whitehill is similar to Autumn. Still quite xenophobic but not genocidal enough to poison wastelanders with FEV.

It really is.

Right? The Enclave does just fine under her leadership.

Being bad looks pretty good, right?

Exactly!

I respect that. I've gone with General Ward on my current live stream playthrough.

I can certainly respect that falloutboy.

There is a lot of potential. They are a bit shady, but there is potential.

@@lastmangameplan yep. shame they and the brother can't get along.

@@lastmangameplan they would also need to be a bit more friendly to non-hostile ghouls as they are still people just trying to survive and maybe drive for the enclave to try and eliminate large pockets of radiation in the commonwealth like the glowing sea. and honestly if maybe whitefield maybe met with dance and go with his plan to take over the brotherhood the 2 could have merged their forces as their ideals could be well merged as they can prevent mankind from making the same mistakes

You have to sabotage their Vertibird by going down to the factory and sabotaging some replacement parts. The oil rig defenses target the Vertibird and knock it out of the sky. I did show some of that footage, but I'm sorry if it was hard to follow that part.

I had the Hacker perk maxed out and just sabotaged the bird without needing to do anything fancy.

I hear that. That's why I have been trying to find more. Check out my video on taking the Enclave to Nuka world: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cW9GI7k5uhg.html

That’s why I chose to destroy the institute in my second playthrough of the mod

That's kinda deep.

Are you trying to temp me to go Ward next time? I just might. LOL

Not to my knowledge.☹️

@lastmangameplan Thanks

I don't actually know...

The credits say Kitt Nevada

Kitt Nevada , also the VA for the Ivy companion mod.

She fears the FEV won't see her much differently than a non-feral ghoul, so privately some part of her recognizes their humanity, but officially she is all Enclave.

Ghouls are ticking time bombs, empathizing with zombies is weird.

People hated on Whitehill's voice acting?! That's crazy. I love it.

Thank you!

You are right about the captain and lead engineer. Maybe I jumped to conclusions.

It's a fair question. My best answer is that her Enclave is the only one I want to join.

I get it. That's why Whitehill seems like the better way.

LOL

Was that an option? I don't remember being able to ask her to just peace out.

@@lastmangameplanyeah it is, after you exit the hallucigen building with the hypersonic vaporizer, if you have high enough charisma you can convince her to leave the enclave without killing her or general ward.

@@lastmangameplanand just make sure to refuse her offer in order to get the option to convince her to leave the enclave

I learned something today. Thank you.

Yes you do. Eventually you can end up as a colonel.

Even if you choose whitehill?​@@lastmangameplan

Thank you for saying so. Means a lot to me.

If she was too accepting and permissive, it wouldn't be the Enclave anymore, right?

@@lastmangameplan Not necessarily. I mean I’m sure the nicest version of the Enclave would still be pretty racist against ghouls and super mutants. Maybe mutants would be treated as second class citizens but not actively exterminated. Anyway, I was hoping that what they define as “human” would extend to regular wastelanders. This does seem to be implied to be the case under colonel Whitehill but it is not directly stated.

I respect that sir.

As I understood it, Dr. Kane spends time developing a new strain of FEV on the oil rig during the course of events in this playthrough. She explains (in a cool scene I didn't fully include) that the higher your cellular mutation, the more dangerous it is to you. Kane tried to tune it to attack Mutants and Ghouls most virulently, but a lot of other wasteland citizens could also be killed more slowly. Whitehill thinks remnant enclave survivors like herself and Meyers would be in danger. Does that clear it up any?

@@lastmangameplan It dose but it seems odd in all honesty. If she’s making her own strain of FEV I don’t see why she can’t specify it like John Henry Eden did. Though maybe it’s just because she was not as smart as a Super Computer that she can’t fully specify her FEV to attack certain things?

You have to go with your gut. Good luck.

Thanks

I am certain you aren't alone.

Good question, and I do have an answer: She isn't from the prewar. She was a normal Enclave soldier living in the wasteland who has been serving the Enclave during the events of Fallout 3.

@@lastmangameplan I see but when you save the ghouls and take them to oil rig she said they are my soldiers in their defense so we don’t kill then due to no longer being human so it made me confuse. It’s amazing mod tho loving it with fallout 76 empowered power armor

That's what she (Whitehill) said.

Well, there's the problem. You're relying on Oxhorn for information. Nobody likes Oxhorn anymore.

It is very high quality. It took the mod authors years. I hope you get a chance to play it.

Do we not like Oxhorn anymore? I hadn't heard that.

@@lastmangameplan I dunno. *I* heard that. Something about getting some facts wrong, and trying to change the Fallout wiki to match his telling of things instead of admitting he was wrong. This was some time ago, mind you.

@@tonystank3091 every malicious thing oxhorn does i just find hilarious, like the cbbe stream incident. detests 'horny' mods and defends why he needs to use cbbe for like 40 minutes on one stream only to show the next day he has porn mods. his hypocrisy is so funny.

Pretty much.

You know how it is. The Minutemen don't get attacked by whichever faction you end up siding with most. There is a separate mod to put minutemen in Enclave uniforms though...

I don’t like the minutemen because Preston Garvey is annoying asf with his radiant quests and his “this settlement needs your help, I’ll mark it on your map”

​@@ThatRotundGamer I downloaded a mod that greatly cuts down on the MM quests.

The first release of the mod did have a more narrowly targeted FEV. But the Enclave's ability to control it's effects once released was always suspect if you ask me. Thank you for watching!

I recently chose that path too for my Ward video. He is definitely on brand for the Enclave.

LOL

Yes.

I agree that the factions need to stand apart from each other.

@@lastmangameplan The Enclave were never supposed to be the good guys. They are made to be 4ssh0l3s and look good in the same time.

@@AlexanderTheFarmer *SS and Hugo Boss Approve This Message*

@@Taistelukalkkuna Woah there buddy, we are approaching levels that are not supposed to be crossed lol

@@AlexanderTheFarmer True understanding comes from the fact that they are both good guys and "4ssh0l3s" at the same time. Reclaiming America is a messy, but noble, affair.

Also from what I’ve seen you talk a lot about Ward and his ethics but a few people correct you on it. What are his ethics and have you played his playthrough yet? In other peoples chats you seem coy with your answers so I am just trying to get a solid one.

Then I won't be coy: I played Ward's choice out a ways, but not as far as Whitehill. I can't say for sure exactly where Ward deviates from Whitehill's choices, only that he was all about a global dispersion of modified FEV.

@@lastmangameplan That is fair I suppose I am curious as well what you think about the other things I said in the main post.

You win. I won't argue with the expertise of your well decorated military avatar. :)

@@lastmangameplan lol i gotta change my avatar it was from a younger and cringer phase

Not a fan?

Thanks for watching. I understand what you are saying. Sometimes it can be a little ridiculous. But ladies can be military officers in many countries, not just the U.S. I think Whitehill is believable.

@@lastmangameplan I know its all in good fun and i tend not to take those things too serious... but even now I believe its less than 10% of military officers are women in the real world but now in gaming it seems ot be 50%. I maybe think maybe the young men which is most players, just like an excuse to look at a pretty girl or perhaps it is to appease a certain ideology. Even though I am a woman I play as a male character in these games, because I think it fits the game better, the Sole Survivor is all about agency and violence which is very much a guy thing, it always seemed weird to me to play as a woman in such a world and role. When we visited a museum a couple years ago as a family, my eldest daughter who is very fit 22 year old, would struggle to even hold a medieval sword properly, but my son even though still only in his mid -teens teenager had no such problems. I am convinced in a post Apoc, the world would revert to classic roles for violence, in about 5 seconds.

@@elizabethmiller7918Normally I’d agree with you, but by Fallout 4 the Enclave is very short-handed. The entire Enclave population is probably in the hundreds to low thousands. There’s basically one Enclave battalion (around ~300 to 500 people) for the entire Commonwealth of New England, which would have had a pre-war population of approximately 15 million and in lore probably has a population in the tens to hundreds of thousands. Every man, woman, and probably child is going to be part of the Enclave military under such a shortage of soldiers. Plus, if the Enclave prioritized men for combat roles and just lost a ton of those men during the events of Fallout 3, that would disproportionately leave women alive in the Enclave by the events of Fallout 4. So, is Whitehill another example of the military bad boss babe trope? Definitely. Is that unbelievable or unimmersive given the specific circumstances? In my opinion, no.

@@QualityPen The thing is Whitehill is totally powerless! She spent all that time in the oil rig, and couldn't muster the force that senator Matthews did. Women as a whole are not actually built for warfare, a women will never physically overpower a guy (unless he's toothpick skinny), let alone beat him without cheating. War is a man's game, and often women who spend time commanding MEN do so out of a power fit. Seeing how in real life our female leaders practically ruined every district they governed, it is very hard for me to simply say Whitehill is a good leader for the enclave, because again, without Matthews or Ward there is NO Enclave. Still, at the same time she makes a fair point, if the Enclave goes through with its original plan from Fallout 2, the US will literally replay the events that happened and try to stop the Enclave all over again. But you know what the crazy part this logic thinking came from? It came from a guy. Yes the guy who created the mod thought of a logical ending to negotiate with. So lets say she does become leader of the Enclave right, what happens after? Because the President is still there giving orders, and each branch although divided has to act on those orders. On top of that she doesn't have the logistics Matthews/Ward had. I mean just look at the Oil Rig on its own, you see how Matthews assembled a force?! While she had all that time and nothing? Ultimately if the solution is to kill off all radiated creatures including humans, which we saw in the episode with the Gunners in the FEV exposed building, then it's a reasonable solution to a persistent problem. Because what would be worse is having to live life the way it's being lived off now in the Commonwealth with Radscorpions and Deathclaws, and super mutants. They could literally solve Fallout in one quick stroke. Is it unethical? Yeah, but you do save America. This is all assuming of course that we somehow use FEV to create a species of Brahmin we can still cultivate at the end of the day.

Coud you stop being a baby?

@@enclave1012 not very Enclave of you, liberal.

Some women actually are good leaders (mainly fiction, but some real life ones exist too)

You need to give women A LOT more credit moongoalie. I think your world will get much bigger if you stop dismissing half the people living in it. I'm not trying to be a smartass--I want that growth for you. And thank you for watching.