Is Drifting Really Fast and Furious? 

Drifting is only faster if you hold it long enough to get the blue/gold/purple sparks because you get a speed boost when you straighten out. I thought everyone knew this 🤔🤔

Thanks for coming out Kyle! Let's do it again 🙌

The only time drifting is faster is on loose surfaces in which you would have to slow down MUCH further in order to maintain static friction, such as dirt, gravel, or snow.

I thought it would be pretty obvious that drifting was indeed slower, like the great drift king Keiichi Tsuchiya once said “I drift not because it is a quicker way around a corner, but it is the most exciting way”

1:15 I remember Itsuki asked Takumi on drifting. Takumi: in a curve... Itsuki: Don't say "curve" it's not cool. Street racers say "corner".

Even Takumi uses the “gutter move” to have better grip during sharp corners to beat his opponents.

How many car enthusiasts are watching this thinking "DUHHHHHHHHHH" lol

watching a drift car completing a normal grip lap is so damn weird

Good maths but you forget to factor in the eurobeats.

This episode was really just an excuse to drive and drift in some fast cars, wasn't it Kyle?

Drifting pros: Looks cool, Kicks up a lot of smoke that could obscure a pursuing car's visibility. Drifting cons: Slower, destroys tires faster, more likely to result in a collision, consumes more gas at higher sustained RPMs which reduces available distance to escape, puts additional wear on the engine, kicks up a lot of smoke that can make you easier to track from aerial pursuers (like a police helicopter). Result: Like shooting from the hip, drifting is best left to the movies. Additional thoughts: A more realistic escape vehicle will look very plain-Jane (like a Honda accord or Toyota Camry painted silver), but be outfitted with better suspension and tires, and possibly a stripped interior and enlarged gas tank. You want to be able to blend into traffic after breaking the police line of sight. You won't do that in a tricked out brightly colored, loud, gas-guzzling sports car that is kicking up smoke. It looks cool, but it's just silly. Also, a get away car must be cheap enough to ditch. Ditching a $150K suped up sports car is just retarded when your goal is a successful heist, as that will eat into your profits considerably more than an $8K used car with about $8K worth of upgrades. It's a lot easier to walk away from $16K than $150K.

Drifting's initial application was used in downhill racing in an effort to brake as little as possible, thusly maintaining a higher overall speed. I would expect that a drift would be superior in that specific situation rather than grip racing. Granted, I'm no scientist, but this thought occurred to me while watching this video. Great show guys, long time watcher, first time commenter. Keep up the awesome work.

“Daddy’s gotta science!” You always make me laugh and love science, never ever will I get tired of this show! I hope you get to do this for as long as you want!

It's also very important to take into account the racing surface. In rally racing, the surface is very loose so the maximum acceleration the rally cars can produce is reduced, placing a higher importance on conserving the velocity you bring into the turn, resulting in some turns being taken in a style similar to drifting. Aaaand lol you mentioned rally anyway. OK KYLE I GUESS I CAN'T BEAT YOU.

The Mythbusters had done a test like this, only using a non purpose built drift car, and they were on dirt. They found that the times were roughly the same because in some situations the time lost taking the corner slower was made up because they had less grip to accelerate with, meaning carrying more speed into and out of the corner helped immensely.

How does the radius of the turn affect the time? What about the method of drifting? There's inertia drifing, e-brake drifting, and power sliding to name a few. I'd love to see a vid where you include these into your calculations too

Theory: The longer Kyle is removed from the void the more his body deteriorates. The smoke we saw was not from the car, rather from Kyle himself

Style points, my dude. Style points.

4:07 >How cool is this thing? It's actually very hot. I see what you did there.

Friend : how to drift? This guy : *explain in the most scientific way Me : slidey slidey smoke

Well, to drift wouldn't make you faster, as stated in the video and in @WarlandWriter's comment, but to keep your tires always firmly onto the pavement also isn't the whole answer. In some scenarios, it's actually faster to allow your tires to slide. This may not be called "Drifting", but it's close enough. Even though Rally driving was addressed in the video, the whole story was not told. As gravel and dirt roads deliver a substantially lower friction coefficient compared to asphalt, lap times, or more accurately time per stages, would be significantly slower if the drivers tried to always avoid slipping and sliding. To drift means in this case to carry far more speed through the corners compared to forementioned slip-less driving by allowing the rear to swerve. Another example concerning this is driving on a snowy road. With friction even lower, driving speed is also utterly decreased, making it faster to allow the rear to slide. In non-mathematical terms, a sliding rear is just the rear axle trying to overtake the front as it is traveling with greater cornering speeds as the static friction allows, thus kinetic friction is to be applied. Concerning solid roads, to slide or not to slide is also highly dependend on the vehicle being used. @viperconcept has made a great video treating this topic, here is a link: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LOCLOinA_fs.html . The quintessence is that when driving cars with high grip levels, eg. F1, LMP, GT..., it's quicker to utilize a "clean" driving style, so not to drift. On the other hand, cars with low grip are faster when driven "dirty", with a sliding rear. As to why Odi's drifting laps were slower, even though his car clearly wasn't a F1 car, he still used slick, or semi-slick tyres, so tyres with high amounts of grip as compared to road-legal treaded tyres, and used a hard, for racetrack use sutible suspension setup as indicated by rolecage and overall use of the car. High amounts of grip combined with forced sliding of the rear axle meant that drifting times were slower. Higher grip means that Odi had to spend way more energy to get the tyres slipping that he had to sacrifice speed. Had the slide come naturally by an excess of speed, things might have beed different. The problem also lies within that he was having slipping tyres at points on the track where in the first laps he was already comfortably accelerating, thus losing time, which is the MAIN reason why top-level race drivers DON'T drift or powerslide as time spent with slipping wheels means less time being spent on getting faster. This is also the reason why burnout starts are slower than starts where spinning wheels are kept to a minimum. Also, the car's handling is important. When it is stable, so not overly under- or oversteer, there is no point in trying to get the car rotating more than necessary as it's already following nicely the driver's input through the steering wheel. But in the case where the car is overly stable or unstable, so that it either reluctantly turns into the corner or tends to go into a spin, it's better and faster to slide. An understeering car, primarily FWD cars, a quick flick with the steering wheel so to get the back sliding will encourage the car to corner, and also to do it faster. A skidding rear, as found in torquy RWD or rear-focused 4WD cars, can't really be tamed. Avoiding slides means the car will be driven below its limit, so powerslides and slight drifts are to be favoured as the car's full potential can be unlocked, as long as the are coming from the car, not from over-aggressive driver inputs, notably a too far pressed gas pedal. I may not be as eloquent as @WarlandWriter or Kyle with mathematical formulas describing this issue, but I happen to know this to be true from personal driving experience. In conclusion, drifting isn't always faster, while clean driving also isn't faster at every occasion. As in everything in life, a middle ground has to be found. Clean driving is best utilized at high grip levels and/or with a stable car. Drifting, well, not exactly drifting, but sliding is best used, when the overall grip conditions are poor, as in rain, gravel roads, snow etc. or when the car is tending to overdo it in wanting to corner (oversteering) or in a lack thereof (understeering). With a bazillion of factors and circumstances, Kyle, your video isn't giving the whole answer. To drift or not to drift can be a deeply philosophical question, with its answers only fitting one scenario each. P.S.: Dom might actually be faster when drifting, as muscle cars, which his cars clearly are, are prone to be torquy and unwilling to follow a straight path. Powersliding would be better in his case, which is, btw, canon as he does so in the latest installment in Russia with his 2000+ hp monster. ;-) P.P.S.: A great example for a slide-heavy driving style would be Juan-Manuel Fangio, five times F1 world champion in the 50's. He perfected the art to slide around almost every corner whereby all four wheels were pointed straight ahead, giving the appearance in pictures that he drove straight. Somewhat similar was Michael Schumacher's driving style. He kept driving his F1 race cars like they were gokarts from his youth, which resulted in him drifting, though only slight, around corners by a big margin faster tha his opponents. There exist videos on RU-vid wherein his telemetry data are compared to his then-teammate Johnny Herbert, detailing exactly his faster corner speeds through Maggots and Becketts at Silverstone. Gerhard Berger, who inherited Schumacher's cockpit with Benetton after the latter's departure to Ferrari , later described how the 1996 car was very unstable, thus helping to achieve a drifting F1 car. And, I mean, 7 world championships speak for themselfes. P.P.P.S.: Whoever finds grammatical errors may keep them. Finders, keepers, after all. :D

Drifting is HELL on tires too. When I saw that loss of control on that second lap coming in, I knew that the tires were shredded even before the driver confirmed it - the friction practically smoked it to bits.

Drifting is about style not how much speed you have. They're just flexing on each other in fast and the furious

Your wrong about one thing. It might not be as fast but it certainly looks furious.

Kinda disappointed with the lack of Eurobeat.

Kyle, aren't you going to answer Groot's corrections? After all, he said, "I am Groot. I am Groot. I am Groot. I am Groot. I am Groot. I am Groot." You can't just brush that off.

drifting is slower only on grippy surface, try bringing that car on a rally track and see if drifting is faster or not lol

Kyle, you also have to remember. The suspension setting on this car are done to make the car more stable while sliding. If you were to have taken the time (not a sensible option) to make sure to optimise the car for grip driving, you would have had to change the springs, change damper valving settings, changed the sway bars (or add one in the case of the front suspension) you would have had a much bigger difference in lap times than just 3 seconds. That car was really unstable during the grip laps, but like.i said, it was set up.to slide and it did that really well.

I find the lack of Initial D meme disturbing..... *DEJA VU! I'VE JUST BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE!*

TL:DW. No, most of the time. Drifting is marginally faster if the car you are driving is going to understeer and/or lose speed/traction on that corner anyway. You can retain slightly more speed by drifting around the corner then if you take the corner wide and have to break late. However, with more grip there will never be a time where drifting is going to be better than maintaining traction and speed. Naturally this is why you see people racing offroad using it in races but almost no one on a racetrack use it outside of a drifting event. Personal point. Why is this video only talking about breaking entries? While handbrake entries are common and easy, it's still very easy to just counter steer once you lose traction in the rear wheels anyway (RIP my minispooled R31 and your bent chassis rail). Also: Love the S14 swap on that s-chassis.

Me as a car guy: oh he’s making a video about drifting Also me: yea i know everything already

I'm using an example here, I work with a group of guys in short oval track racing, incredible stuff and a great experience to see. When they go around the oval they actual try to slide the corner just a little bit, to keep the car smooth, yes gripping may be faster but in an application such as that it's good because it helps the car rotate around the corner allowing you to push off the inside and glide to the outside of the oval into the straight. This style comes with lots of practice in oval racing, years of technique and learning.

Gonna have to call you out on this one Kyle. Everyone knows drifting is slower, that's why no actual racing disciplines use it. Obviously you wanted an excuse to rip it up on track. That is something I can respect tho. Edit : I meant tarmac based racing. Obviously rally, ice and snow racing drift to keep momentum.

That guy didn't know anything about drifting. When you start drifting you have to move the steering wheel left to right until sparks come out of the wheels, then, when the sparks turn blue, you stop drifting and get a super turbo.

i get it....because vin diesel voice plays Groot

I’m pretty sure the 240SX LS swapped has a drift angle kit on it

I had a discussion about drifting with a friend of mine recently, who said that although you can't go as fast drifting in turns, you can make sharper turns, which can turn out quicker if the distance lost is greater than the speed lost. Thus - so she claimed - drifting on a regular race track or on a highway is slower, because it was designed to make regular turns at high speeds. A city has much sharper turns and thus in a city it would be advantageous to drift. However, before she turns up and starts spreading her lies, I wanted to debunk that. First of all: Yes, you do indeed turn your wheels in relative to your centre of mass, and thus the turning radius of your front wheels becomes relatively smaller. However, turning your front wheels in does not allow you to cheat physics by making the centripetal force think that your centre of mass is now actually closer to the centre of your turn. You still need to supply a centripetal force to make your car go around the bend. This force (Fc) is dependent on mass m, velocity v and turning radius R by Fc=m*v^2/R. This means that at a certain velocity, you can't just choose a different R just because you happen to be drifting. Your centre of mass still needs to follow the same path for a given Fc and v. Which brings me to the next point. The limiting factor determining the ratio v^2/R is the maximum centripetal force you can supply. In this case this Fmax is supplied by the frictional force (Ff) of the wheels. Thus, rewriting the formula: Rmin=m*v^2/Ff Ff=mu*Fn=mu*Fg=mu*m*g, thus it is linearly dependent on mu. Thus, Rmin is proportional to v^2/mu. In a drift, mu decreases. Quite drastically, in fact. A quick calculation gave me that at a drift angle (theta) of 5 degrees, mu effectively becomes 10% smaller already. This means that while drifting, your turning radius would become 10% greater in order to maintain the same velocity, or you'd have to slow down by 5% in order to keep a 'normal' turning radius. Since half your wheels are using the kinetic friction, rather than the static friction you can never turn as efficiently as you would in a normal turn. (Which makes sense, as cars are designed to make normal turns.) Lastly, I wanted to address my personal biggest issue with my friend's argumentation: Turning your car sideways to make smaller turns is a terrible idea. I don't believe I have ever seen a car that was wider than it was long. Math. Suppose you have a car with length 2*L and width 2*w. The surface area that would need to be available for you to make a normal turn with radius R would be the area of a circle drawn by the outer edge of your car (R2=R+w) minus the area of a circle drawn by the inner edge of your car (R1=R-w). For a 90 degree turn, that boils down to: A=1/4*pi*R2^2-1/4*pi*R1^2=1/4*pi*((R+w)^2-(R-w)^2)=1/2 pi R w Same thing, now turn your car by an angle theta. R2=R+L*sin(theta)+w*cos(theta), R1=R-L*sin(theta)-w*cos(theta). Filling that in and simplifying gives: A=pi*R*(w*cos(theta)+L*sin(theta)). This means that at a 10 degree angle with a car 2 m wide and 5 m long, you've gained yourself 42 cms on either side, increasing your area by a whopping 184% (to me this seems a bit much, but I can't figure out where it went wrong either, so I'll assume it's correct. Also the fact that the relative increase does not depend on R seems weird to me.). Tl;dr, Sorry for unleashing the mathematical fury of my friendly discussions upon you. The turn you make drifting cannot be faster than a turn made normally because you can't change how your centre of mass behaves, and you will need a lot more space to execute the turn. Because science. (Can I say that or is that copyrighted? I don't know, it just feels like the right thing to say here, under a Because Science video. Hope you don't mind.)

I think there is only one example where intentional drifting yields a faster result. There is a rally car manoeuvre called the Scandinavian Flick (or a pendulum turn in the US I think) that is performed on a 180˚ or hair pin turn. By breaking and throttling at the same time, the rear wheels of the car have a lower wheel RPM. Steering opposite to the turn while entering and then using the sideways torque the rear of the car follows the arc of a circle with the front wheels act as the centre point of the circle. The car basically swings like a pendulum. While overall speed is not really different, the advantage are that the car is oriented to leave the hair pin turn in a straight line and that a decent engine RPM is maintained. It was good that you brought up rally car drivers but this was also done by prohibition era bootleggers. In this case, it is not a simple speed advantage but utilises the fact that the front wheels steer and the rear wheels apply power (or in the case of AWD, the rear wheels apply greater power). ETA: The sentence should read "the rear wheels of the car have a HIGHER wheel RPM".

Because science: is drifting even fast? Have you not watched formula drift?

I think what we here in KY call a state boy slide is about the only applicable use on regular streets. It's sort of drifting/sliding to catch up around corners, especially on gravel or dirt. Not regular or even somewhat tight curves.

Isn't the 'Number' in "VIN Number" unnecessary, since VIN is already 'Vehicle Identification Number'...?

Are you talking about drifting without mentioning Initial d

"But hey, that's just a theory; a Film Theory! Thanks for watching!" Oh, wait, wrong channel, lol!

Woah, I was NOT expecting this video to be so in depth. I love the detail you go into in all of your videos, but generally speaking, non-car focused channels can't usually get car stuff correct. You sure as hell did, though. As a lifelong car enthusiast, part-time mechanic, and weekend autocross racer, I can most definitely say that *you absolutely nailed it.* Glad you pointed out the applications of drifting in rally. Really, a greater slip angle on loose surfaces will yield faster times than that same driving style on tarmac/pavement. (And you should really try driving a car with a manual transmission! It's so much more engaging and arguably safer than driving with an automatic!) Great stuff!

*muffled eurobeat plays in background

No mention of initial D anyways drifting isn't about speed it's about not crashing or falling out of mountains

But did you learn to drive stick though?

This world needs a "This isn't gonna work, daddy's gotta science" gif of Kyle breaking that cast. Someone please make that.

If you fall on the street, you were punched by the pavement.

Deja vu...

Drifting:A way of turning corners by sliding the vehicle while maintaining control of it. Invented by Keiichi Tsuchiya aka Drift King. Introduced mainly by Pluspy, Initial D and Fast and Furious (mainly Tokyo Drift). Formula: Great engine sound+great car+great songs(such as Eurobeat)+skill+cup filled with water+manual shifting=drifting Best performed in RWD cars, FWD also suggested but AWD not.

Mythbusters tested this and found that it was slower in practice than making a normal turn! Really good episode on both sides! Can't wait to see what you tackle next!

"How cool is this? It's actually very hot." ^^

Dont forget, an absolute essential of street racing is the 32 speed gearbox P.S: You're a very lucky man, that car would have been a joy to cruise in.

*AWESOME* *EPISODE* Thank you Kyle and Odi! I love Because Science and Donut Media so much, this episode was a dream come true! Keep up the great work, all of you! :D

Check out grip vs drift with Keiichi Tsuchiya, unfortunately its in Japanese but, they show that up to a 4 degree slip angle is marginally faster than a grip run, with a full drift being the slowest. Is drifting faster, yes. But only if you don't care about increased tire wear and fuel consumption.

I watched a couple of the Fast & Furious movies and have always wondered... What kind of transmission has multiple gears for reverse? They're backing up fast, and they change gears to back up faster?! I don't suppose you could explain that one with science? :-D Kyle, you looked like you had an absolute blast! Thank you for letting us enjoy the trips around the track through your experience!

2 things -- 1) Drifting CAN be just a tiny bit faster, if a) it's power-on drifting as you exit a corner, and b) you don't have to countersteer. 2) Drifting on an off-road course can sometimes be the fastest relatively-safe way around a corner. See also: WRC footage from previous winners. But the rest of the time, you're totally better off not purposefully evoking a drift.

i've actually done some gokart drifting on a indoor track. what i found was that if i drift long turns i lose time compared to just turning. but racing is about getting through a turn, then accelerating as fast as you can up to the next turn, then slowing down as fast as u can (with control), to take the next turn as fast as u can. on sharper turns, u can actually drift through the turn faster. however, coming out of the turn and getting down the straight to the next turn is slower because you've lost the friction between the tires and the ground. HOWEVER, er, sometimes you can drift a turn so much faster than slowing down to take it normally, that u have more time to let your tires hook back up with the ground and get up to top speed, orrrr get through the turn faster and maintain high rpm/low friction but carry that speed, at an angle, down a short straight and get into the next turn where u can slow down a bit, let the tires hook up and accelerate down a longer straight faster. drifting every turn would definitely be slower, but drifting some turns should be faster. but the biggest problem is tire wear. if you took tire wear out of the equation, i'm certain that most racers would be drifting certain turns and taking other turns normally in most races. but then they would go through 3 sets of tires to one set by someone not drifting at all. TL;DR: drifting some turns, but not all, would be faster than taking every turn normally. but would be harder on the tires.

3 seconds is a large difference in racing, but one thing not mentioned or overlooked is that the car you did your testing it was designed and built around drifting which gave it a little bit of an advantage in the drift scenario. I also didn't notice you mention anything about tire swapping so the tires you were riding on probably were more drift focused than race grip. So with that said, the actual time difference could be much greater with cars that are not favoring one method or the other. Edit: Oh, and it's kind of the same principle when stopping. This is why anti lock brakes are so much more effective than skidding to a stop.

1:15 into the video, lemme just ruin this for ya guys. If you are drifting your tires have gone beyond their limit of grip so you are no longer putting the maximum amount of your engines power to the ground, therefore it is not faster. A proper racing turn allows you to accelerate for the last half of the turn.

Drifting is faster depending on the situation. It is faster when the traction between the tires and surface of traveling (or what we car guys like to simply call grip) is less than ideal, or when the turning angle is too great that you need to go forward and backwards multiple times to make the turn when not drifting. You already covered all the physics behind it so I will not talk about that, but mostly other parts of why it can be faster in this situation. For the most part, it is better to do a controllable drift in low traction situations, because you can keep your car in a higher gear, if executed correctly you'll end up in a higher gear when exiting the corner thus saving time switching gears, also it is a lot harder to calculate the stopping distance on these type of surfaces, and since you only have a split second to decide what to do, and when to do it, it is easier for the driver to drift and control the slide thus saving time. And about the second situation, I think it speaks for itself, if someone need to turn a 180 around a pole, and stay as close to the pole as possible, you'll have to drift it or you won't be able to make the turn.

I think the way I heard it explained was that the higher the coefficient of grip is (That is, the total amount of lateral force allowed through the interaction of tires and the surface), the lower the optimal slip angle is. This would explain why rally cars use a high slip angle on gravel, because the road facilitates a very low coefficient. Then you could also look at GT3 cars as a mid point on the spectrum of grip, because in low speed corners for qualifying, when the aero isn’t working as hard, those cars have a relatively small amount of slip angle, but also much more noticeable than an F1 car. I also specified qualifying because running the car with any slip angle heats up the tires like a madman, and most endurance cars avoid going full tilt for just that reason, as the heat makes the overall times much slower.

I am surprised that Kyle did not mention the drift king Keiihci Tsuchiya as he is the one that does drifting in non drifting races.

dude, there's a lot os aspects you're not taking into account.. - there's Specialized tires for drifting; - speed in and out the curve differs in grip and drift; - the suspension set up is different in both sports... and so on, and so forth...

If you want to be fast you need power and grip. If you drift you throw away grip and speed but have more fun and look badass (if you do it right). It's basically impossible to be faster on a lap drifting than normal driving in almost all cases. But that isn't the point of drifting, drifting is *A R T* It's not Fast. But it's Furious.

One other advantage to drifting would be the smoke. If you kick up enough of it and learn to control the drift correctly, you could conceivably trick pursuers about which way you turned.

Great collaboration with Odi, I really liked the video !

There is a difference between drift and powerslide. Most fast and furious races feature powerslides. Though powerslides will still be a slow option than proper racing lines they still can be a good way to get your car in perfect position for 90 or crazy 180 degree turns with delayed braking before the turn and early acceleration after. Also fun video to watch nevertheless.

Anyone who follows professional racing knows the answer. Even playing a racing video game it's really clear. You're going nowhere sideways. You can't accelerate effectively

nice explanation :D one thing to mention is that more power is needed for drifting than for normal driving. Could you make a video maybe about the efficiency between front, rear and all wheel drive cars on the race track? Most people are stuck with the idea that rwd is better than fwd on the track but is it really so?

I was taught that a drift is a tool you use when braking will produce understeer (e.g. entering a corner way too fast). Drifting is then used to produce oversteer in such a way that you are now using the gas pedal to reduce speed and maintain control of the vehicle

The major advantage of drifting around tight corners is aligning your tires for the straight faster and thus being able to accelerate out of the tight turn quicker, not the drift itself.

Chuck full of irrelevant Groot reverences but no InitialD references. Fail!

Dude "VIN number" made me chuckle lol definitely one of your better puns

UOOOUUU!! You getting out of the lab/youtubeclass(?) with some serious company and real tests... You are awesome, thanks for that

Nice, daddy’s gotta science

Next video : does listening to Eurobeat play list make you drive faster?

"Daddy's gotta science!" XD

So does this apply to video games? Cause in every one I play with vehicles, you have the option to either slow down and turn normally or try to drift around the corner (and slide into a building in most cases)

1:41 Without friction you wouldn't be able to MOVE anywhere since you need friction for the tires touching the road, to move you forwards, or backwards.

If drifting was fast F1 cars would not do everything they can to avoid wheel spin

Yey Donut!!! Possible for a collab episode explaining James' dad through science?

Finally! I've been wondering when I'd finally have Kyle thank me for watching!

Insert *Initial D* joke here

Drifting is for downhill mountain and rally. Haven't you heard Takumi?

I've been drifting for about 10 years now and yeah in a circuit it won't ever be faster, but downhill with a light car is a different story just because drifting allows to take some lines that aren't possible unless you severely lower your speed, so that way the time you'd loose by drifting is more than made up with the more aggressive line taken at a higher speed than grip could provide, also no serious driver would drift every single corner on a race, the mix between the two are what makes the best time

I’m so happy that Odi Bakchis is in this video and is the driver for the vid. THANKS

Your drift driver looks like Simon Pegg! :)

Kyle's face is more than worth it.

Kyle holding on to dear life haha. Good job man!

“Right on the edge of harmony and chaos”

would these numbers change at all depending on the angle of the turn? like taking a wide turn like in your test sure drifting would be slower but what about on sharp u-turns where the driver would have to slow down significantly more to make the turn?

I think this is the first time I've seen Kyle out in the sunlight #voiddweller lol, love your stuff man keep on keeping on

Kyle's out of his habitat! I definitely like this and would love to see more vids with Kyle out in the field proving sciene!

You always want to be on the edge of your tires' grip. Drifting involves going over that, wasting power and lateral grip. Even with an understeer-prone car, drifting will be slower than simply maximizing what grip it's already got(understeer prone can also mean you lay down power quicker, so you are mostly managing your apex speeds). That said, purposely drifting can be a good occasional blocking tactic if the trailing car is close enough to not have the space to maneuver around your slower moving vehicle. The real key is knowing when to use which tool in your toolbox.

See you say that it isn't faster, but have you seen Takumi race in initial D

Well drifting is also a way to subtly increase the run time of the movie meaning you spend more time watching it.

You + Donut media? Great combo. Nice S13.4 btw

Well done brosive! This was a really well done episode.