And that right there is the actual reason dislikes are being hidden away. Why make good moves when you can make RU-vid hide the bad audience reactions away.
It really hurts _and_ pisses me off, as a black woman. I'm tired of being a weapon, shield or excuse, or being told what I think or need. Or that ppl like me are gonna "save America" like they want me to fix its issues for them. Do better, Hollywood. You have the resources so it shouldn't be that hard 🤷🏾♀️.
@@spaghetto9836 - It's not about the difficulty but the Return On Investment or ROI for short. In other words, it's usually perceived as cheaper in Hollywood to invest in an established franchise then come up with a new/untested intellectual property. Though to be fair, those new intellectual properties would still be bound by all the usual tropes you run across in media. Especially if you've consumed a lot of it over the years. It's why my criticisms of RPG Maker games and other stuff has probably only gotten harsher and more cynical since I remember other franchises using those same plot devices better. Though how much of that is just nostalgia for my childhood is debatable.
@@thesacredlobo I came to understand that, but not in those words exactly. But it's always good to try new things & take risks or else you'll be hurting yourself in the long run. It's true in both movies and games, and is what's happening now- everyone's getting tired of remake after remake and reboot after reboot. It's why the concept of milking exists & I hate it. They think they're being smart, but they're just lazy and greedy.
I find it curious how the people behind this movie spent all their energy trying to make a “girl power” movie that they completely neglected the fact that they wrote the most racist black character in recent memory. It’s absolutely bizarre.
How was it a racist portrayal when black characters were literally like Patricia Tolan in various classic sitcoms and movies featuring black characters? It's NOT racist to write her like that if you prefer to see black characters that are always uptight or bougie like. Something we see a lot in our culture as well in more conservative-driven content like the Tyler Perry and Spike Lee movies.
@@darnellmajor9016 she literally plays the stereotypical argumentative sassy black character. 100% effective for a movie meant to convey the theme of equality :D
Fun fact: The teaser trailer for this movie was uploaded on February 14, 2016 on Valentine's Day. In Ghostbusters 2, when Peter asks the psychic woman when would the world end, she says Valentine's Day, 2016. Very creepy prediction.
Remember folks, If you have to repeatedly tell customers how good your product is, rather than customers genuinely telling you how good your product is...your product is probably garbage.
@@osets2117 most if not all of the actors did a pretty good job with the book script that they were handed (honestly it works much better as a book which is shown within the novelisations)
To further the Winston Patty slam dunk, Winston was answering a help wanted ad in the news paper, and showcased in several scenes that he wasn't an idiot. Even though Egon boiled down his explanation using a Twinky as his example, Winston got what the man was saying and added a fun quip in a smooth laid back manner. Then later while speaking with Ray, he carried the conversation diving into mysticism and Christian spiritualism. On top of that, he picks up on how to use the gear rather quickly, all things considered. Which one can infer he's had past experience operating similar machinery in terms of upper body strength, weight, mobility, endurance, stamina, etc. He doesn't scream or react in horror when faced with confirmation than ghosts, gods, and demons exist. Comparatively, he's the coolest headed character.... What does Patty do? Scream, run away, be obnoxious, slap one of her possessed friends while delivering exceptionally corny dated puns.... Oh, she manages to get the crew a car to ride around and go on missions in, so that's cool.... Yeah, Patty sucks ass, and is less progressive as the token Black stereotype than a movie made in an era that allowed for movies like 48hrs to exist. lol
The character of Winston was originally written as an older army veteran played by Eddie Murphy, but they rewrote the character to be more of an every man that the audience could identify with when Murphy turned down the role.
Winston was an example of not needing to be a genius with a doctorate to work with the Ghostbusters and be a friend and equal partner. He wasn't as smart as them but was never belittled for this. If anything the films should be lauded for their good treatment of a black man as just a guy who doesn't need to prove himself to be acknowledged by his white co-woekers, much like how Extreme had a main character who did busting from a wheelchair but wasn't defined by his disability.
I never thought Winston was supposed to be portrayed as uneducated or stupid (unlike how they have Leslie Jones debasing herself in the reboot). I think he was just supposed to be an everyman audience surrogate who regularly points out the ridiculous and insane things going on around him. Ray and Egon are the weird ones, with one being the almost sociopathic straight man and the other being the childish pushover. They were all written to play off each other, with everyone filling in their own place on the team dynamic. Winston is the one who comments in the way that they think the audience would be thinking. Venkman is also like this, to a point, but they wrote him as a bit too smarmy and charming to be a regular guy, so rather than saying the obvious thing, he says the quippy, funny, clever thing.
The only time Winston's color matters is that one, single line: "I have seen SH** that would turn you WHITE." I crack up laughing every single time, simply because the mayor's "wait, what?" reaction is priceless.
The Ghostbusters catch only one single ghost in the entire movie and they don't even get paid for it. The main joke of the original movie is that dealing with the supernatural is a regular job.
They also ostensibly killed Bill Murray with said ghost and face no repercussions even though they knew how dangerous the dragon ghost was to civilians. Role models.
THANK YOU The main gag of the franchise is that these are just regular exterminators but for ghosts instead of bugs, the original movie had a montage of them doing their job and expanding the business overtime, they had commercials and discounts,they acted professionaly even in their first official job Those 4 girls could not pass as professional even if they say it to your face,at most they seem like part timers doing a prank
Makai Ridah The movie even has a scene with a bystander asking what is up with the equipment and Venkman just answers that somebody saw a cockroach, because he does not feel like explaining it, or because Venkman just loves messing with people.
No, they killed off Bill Murray because he was contractually obligated to be in it and that was the most he was willing* to do. Edit: *by that I mean contractually obligated to do under threat of legal action if he didn't.
@@Lobsterwithinternet I don't believe that's true. The fact that they had one of woman say "he was never a real ghost buster anyway" or whatever they said after he died definitely feels like stab at the originals and fans. I think it's very safe to assume the worst.
@@kelp7060 The problem with that is the emails from the Sony hack showed that they were willing to go after Bill Murray legally if he wasn't going to cooperate. Doesn't preclude both being true.
@@Lobsterwithinternet After actually looking into this I'd say you're more accurate. It's so odd to me though that they'd force him there, and then settle with him playing another character entirely, and then killing him off in such a goofy fashion. How the hell did they think fans would respond to that? I never heard about the Sony hack, and now that pisses me off more that they forced him to be in it. I can understand why they did that, but fuck these people.
*Nov 2021 Me:* _"Looking forward to Part 2! I'm sure it's happening soon."_ *Dec 2021 Me:* _"Aaaaany day now..."_ *Jan 2022 Me:* _"Man, at this rate World War 3 is going to happen before this video."_ *Feb 2022 Me:* _"Well, shit."_
The "Ain't no bitches gonna hunt no ghosts" in-movie RU-vid comment was probably the funniest joke in the entire movie. I think it was the only one to get a genuine laugh out of me
How I would have fixed Kevin's character is that I would have made it so that the reason he acts so idiotic is that he was possessed the entire time by an idiotic ghost. This is only revealed when Roan possesses Kevin and forces the stupid ghost out. In the end, Kevin staggers off confused and the dumb ghost goes on to stay at the firehouse as their receptionist. There I put more creative thought in this dumpster fire of a movie than the dumb bitches who actually wrote it. And I can say this because I'm a woman.
Was going to ask "how'd he get possessed by the initial idiot ghost?" But gave up, because I was just happy some creative thought was put into this story.
@@noplace4akitty047 we can assume he was acting as a sort of double agent and would've trapped the fake Ghostbusters in some trap if he wasn't forced out of Kevin.
Y'know what would've made a fantastic, new Ghostbusters movie? A movie about Extreme Ghostbusters, that had a team of men and women together in it AND NO ONE LOST THEIR MINDS
So is nobody is gonna call out Erin for willingly hitting on another man when she was in a relationship. She was one step away from cheating so why when men cheat in media are bad, but when women do it it's empowering or they are considered sympathetic victims? Cheating is wrong no matter what.
Oh you don't understand women are allowed to be and seek better, it's not cHEating, they are just looking for themselves to be happy and they can't be tied to a single MAN when there's ALWAYS a better option, always, loyalty is a misogynistic term created by men to control women. /S.
@Charles CM Wainaina I've pointed this out as well. It makes those scenes more uncomfortable and creepy than funny. Especially since she keeps doing it even after she learns that he's really stupid. It makes her character seem shallow. And this is a character I guess we're supposed to relate to?
@@dullknifefactory yes it is wrong. The only exception that I can think of is a Zeus and Hera one. When you have a partner that constantly cheats on you with different people, but you can't leave the relationship even though your partner is making you unhappy. I think only then in my personal opinion (so you are allowed to debate with me on this) cheating is ok.
The character arc possum reviews went through is probably the most impressive thing related to this movie. He went from blind anger to unimaginable exhaustion.
What Sony never saw was that "female" doesn't automatically mean funny or interesting. Equality means that your movie might suck without a reference to the casts genitals. There is no "girl power" element that magically makes something better. Exchange the cast with the best and most beloved actors in their prime and it would still suck.
Truth be told, a better cast might have faired a bit better. I don't know why people feel the need to say that the cast is good. They are dreadfully grating. This movie's biggest mistake is that it's missing charm. If something is charming, you will overlook certain things. You wouldn't think 'how did nobody see the villain's secret chamber' or 'the special effects are pretty bad.' Without a good reason to like it, the flaws become much more obvious. A bad joke from someone you like might still make you laugh, while it only makes you groan from someone else.
Yeah, let's not pretend that a vocal chunk of the early hate directed at the movie *was* people explicitly complaining about it having women in it though.
@@FTZPLTC I remember a vocal chunk of people, from their position of extreme visibility, all explicitly complaining about the same handful of complaints from a few obscure edgelords.
@@FTZPLTC ok? so what if people actually care that movies are trying to gender bend already existing characters.... gender bending already existing characters doesn't fucking work it never has and never will a great example is Jodie Whittaker as doctor who she fucking sucks... This film fucking sucks... Gender bent characters fucking suck
what's worse is that a cartoon succeeded where Sony failed. Extreme Ghost Busters or as it is called by fans "Ghost Busters Dark" had a new team that was ACTUALLY inclusive with a female ghost buster Kylie (hell Janine had her moments two so,, 2 female Ghost busters technically) it also had race rep with Rolland Jackson and a handy capped (wheelchair bound) character Garret Miller the last guy being the sarcastic Eduardo Rivera ...oh and Slimer is there too. additionally they had Egon Spengler as a mentor (and Janine was around as well if I recall correctly) the show was pretty darn good. there was even a multi part special where the OG Ghostbusters reunited for awhile. unfortunately whoever ran the networks it was on were idiots and only a few episodes were released on DVD .. in France I think ... buuut If ya wanna watch the show now ya can still find it online with enough searching. also I'd like to point out the fact there was a Girl, an African American and a Paraplegic on the team wasn't the point of their characters. each had there own virtues and flaws. the fact Kylie was a girl never really came up other then Eduardo flirting with her and getting shot down she is a fan of Egon and reads his books she is the ghost expert of her peers. As for Garret him being in a Wheelchair hardly ever impacted him as a Ghost buster and he is one of the more athletic characters and a cheerful wiseguy , And Roland" well he is Black so what? its never mentioned much less impacts the story. he is just another person and he is the new tech guy working on new devices with Egon himself . As for Eduardo.. well he is the everyman and that suits him just fine. THIS is how ya do inclusive representation you make a character give them which ever trait BUT here's the catch ya don't make their entire character revolve around that single trait ys treat everyone equally and as if there is no difference between anyone. that's what was done here and hells I don't even think the Writers were THINKING about any of this it just happened in retrospect. they just wanted to make unique characters with Diverse looks and personalities and they more then succeeded in that. (I never really thought about this myself until I started watching this review and realized how screwed up the 'reboot' is ) Soooo... yeah Sony has no excuse -_-
It would've been a good idea to have Gertrude work with Rowan, seeing how they built up her character to be this psychopathic woman. And in a way, I feel like those two could have been kindred spirits with the same motivations.
I had an idea where Rowan is deceived by Gertrude, to open the door in order to free her for a sequel, and the immediate threat being the ghost unleased onto the city.
Winston was also the realist heart of the group & the voice of the audience. He was the guy who was there to say "this is a bad idea" and act as a cynical foil for the other three who had been close for some time & were mad about ghosts. He was just in it initially for the paycheck and eventually comes round to accepting the responsibility for saving the world (because they were the only guys equipped & able to do it). Patti is just the voice, not of the audience, just the loudest voice (in the already VERY loud room).
Venkman was 100% using his paranormal research as a con, an easy way to make money off fools. I don’t think he actually believed in ghosts until he saw the one in the library. He’s very similar to Winston in every way you mentioned.
I watched this with friends in 2019 and basically at the end I asked them if they wanted to take it home with them. Nobody wanted it and this was our first time seeing it. Instead I took the sword I had bought for no particular reason and basically had one of them toss the dvd at me. It got shatter and it felt like a great evil was removed from my home
I really respected the James Rolfe response, and I'm glad you included mention of that. He just made a level-headed statement that he wasn't interested in watching the film. Seems fair to me, and I don't get why it received such ire.
Because he's just famous enough that publicly hating on him would get you loads of views/clicks. But not rich or famous enough that doing so would get you a defamation lawsuit from his estate or millions of fans with rage boners destroying your business. This legit happens to internet personalities all the damned time. Especially RU-vidrs.
He was just targeted for being a heterosexual white male who did a video on the matter, he was a scapegoat to the closeted sexist calling themselves lgbt
Like another comment said, James represented the target they wanted to attack and dared to go against the narrative which gave them an opening, no matter how petty or silly it looked. He was a straight white man who dared to voice hesitation about paying to see the holy sainted leftist corporate product, so he became a proxy for the "manbabies" they were already lashing out at. Notice the article screencapped earlier in the review where they also did their best to tie the backlash to the alt-right, because that was another boogeyman they could attack instead of addressing real people.
@@supermariof0521 Fant4stic in 2015 seemed to be the starter for the you're racist card all because fans got confused over the casting of a black Johnny Storm and The Last Jedi started the trend of "old fans need to accept change or go away"
@@Thomasmemoryscentral True. Thing is the casting should be done because the actor is qualified regarless if he/she isn't white. Society needs to get rid of these artificial diversity quotas and embrace ACTUAL diversity.
@@supermariof0521 I got a reddit ad while reading this comment, fitting, really. Established characters in visual media should be cast appropriately, superman is white, cyborg (from teen titans) is black and anime shit is Asian, unless stated otherwise.
@@hehexd5317 I agree, but, but, BUT MUH REPRESENTATION!! REEEEE!!! If people want representation so badly, they should make their own IPs or go support other IPs created by or for minorities and women, instead of taking the lazy creatively-bankrupt route and rebooting and race/gender-swapping established white/male/female characters and force-diversifying European-based fantasies. It makes them look desperate for diversity, as if they believe original IPs written or directed by and for minorities and women won't get popular.
I think another thing that hurts Ghostbusters 2016 is the fact that every character in the team is trying to be a Venkman and all that does is turn the movie into an adlib shitshow where everyone is trying be more clever than their costars. Part of what makes the original team works so good is each person brought something different to the table. Venkman was the snarky one, Egon was the brilliant dry guy, Ray was the bright eye'd optimist and Winston was the grounded blue collar everyman. The different personalities playing off of each other created a fun dynamic that works so well. The problem with the 2016 is you have four characters playing the same character and it loses not only it's focus but it sucks the personality out of the team. Each girl is trying to mirror a character from the movie but in the end all they're doing is trying to be Venkman and It sucks.
Worse, all those characters in the "remake" are basically trying to be (cringeworthy) comic relief. Previously, the only movies I had ever seen where _every_ main character (all protagonists and most of the antagonists as well) were lame comic relief were the first three _Transformers movies._
This is the best criticism of the movie I've read - and it's true. The fact that I enjoyed the dumb movie about idiots chasing ghosts, who suddenly have to avert a ghost apocalypse despite being incompetent (that's a big part of the movie's premise - it's not in the original), doesn't change the fact that the characterisation was spoiled by being an improv-off.
The point of the podrace in Phantom Menace is to showcase how Anakin was able to navigate the interior of the Lucrehulk at the end of the movie without crashing into anything… plus the other stuff you mentioned.
@@WolfHreda Lol. 😂 I still knew what you meant. And, I like the Chekhov’s gun analogy as well. 👍 I’m just ready for part two. I hate this movie so much. Lol.
Dang, you're more based than ever! I agree with what you've said, this movie isn't bad because of the cast, it's bad in everything else it does, including how it handles that cast.
About the dragon ghost, I'm pretty sure the animated Ghostbusters or some other older Ghostbusters media revealed that a lot of the more monstrous/inhuman-looking ghosts weren't actually ghosts, but rather, entities from other dimensions who just function like ghosts in our dimension.
That was probably the best “self-argument” I have ever watched. Didn’t malign the argument often made by those types of people, but actually challenged what was being said.
3:18-5:11 Is one of the best arguments I have ever heard. This is why you’re one of my favorite RU-vidrs next to you actually having dedicated ad breaks instead of letting ads interrupt you mid sentence every 1-3 minutes.
There was an issue in the Real Ghostbusters cartoon where in the second half of the series, the producers made changes to the show. One aspect was placing Winston, the black character, as the driver and JUST the driver! It’s nice to see that this movie keeps up that trend
Didn't really have much of a choice, I bet. I've been at this since 2009 and sometimes you just gotta delete that shit. Also, I imagine he was probably legit ashamed by some of his angrier, lesser quality stuff. I mean, I certainly know that feeling myself. Although, I prefer to own up to my shittier, past self. :P
@@tarrker I miss the one where he reads the Twitter posts over the Szechuan Sauce riots of 2017. That video was more entertaining then this movie. I also like how he was at one time roasting “The Walking Dead” while playing zombie game.
One of the biggest issues I took with it was that it breached the letterbox. Either be full screen or don't, but breaching the letterbox with the CG breaks any potential immersion a movie may have been building and reminds you "hey, you're just watching a movie."
Fun fact about the Joker movie, since it was brought up, the movie played in theatres on the same day (I think) as Frozen 2, and despite Joker being the movie everyone said incited violence, a machete fight took place in the theatre showing Frozen 2
A word about the all-female cast controversy: I'm planning on writing a final story for a long form series surrounding a gay couple struggling to let go of a haunting past and having trouble finding their place in the world as young adults. Very few problems in their lives are homophobia-related. And one lady who does kinda go after one of the guys for being gay is shown to be a sympathetic character. It's not perfect, but I like to think it's better than this.
The problem with making every male character a vile stereotype is that you can't identify with any of them. There is a lot of pink in this film. Pink is strange in that it has a calming effect at first, but then causes stress if you keep looking at it.
If at least one character was relatable, male or female, you can make everyone else a bunch of pricks, but they made everyone an idiot or a prick or both. There are no people in this movie, just vociferations machines, Paul figlet really knows how humans exist.
Honestly Ghostbusters was a one hit wonder. The first movie was lightning in a bottle and isn’t really recreatable or something you can create a sequel to. Not helped by the fact that movie studios will want to try and recreate that lightning in a bottle with a beer bottle and a 9-volt battery.
Ghost busters afterlife might've just proves you wrong I watched it and I thought it recaptured that lightning though it might've taken just a bit too much from the orignal its not to the level it hurts the movie it still feels like it's own thing and I believe is a true successor
Except Ghostbusters 2 was great too and I will NEVER understand the part of the fandom that snubs it. Afterlife is also great, if not on the same level as 1 and 2.
Sorry but Ghostbusters II wasnt a flop and Ghostbusters Afterlife is exceeding what answer the call did with in the same amount of time all while under a pandemic with a staggered international release. Opening weekend answer the call only brought in $45,000,000 globally while After Life brought in $63,000,000 globally and gained another $10,000,000 domestically by last Wed.
This movie was just bad. Now Ghostbusters Afterlife is how you pay tribute to the originals while still moving forward. Absolutely loved it & brought back so much nostalgia from the originals.
Remember when film makers actually wanted to make good movies, listened to their audience and learned from their mistakes! Instead of just believing that everything they did was amazing, and filling their films with "the message" replaces the need for good story telling! I miss those days! More so by the day!
+@@thesamejackalsniperthatkil117 Which is really a shame because I'm more of a gaming guy. I prefer the interactivity. But who wants to interact with a piece of shit that talks down to you?
@@thesamejackalsniperthatkil117 at least good games exist even in this day and age . Remember elden ring , dark souls , zelda , steel division (yes steel division has a lot of dlc's but still good without them) etc.
Film makers RARELY listen to their audience because that’s not what art is about. Spielberg or Kubrick will either laugh in your laugh or chew you out for being an idiot. You don’t know anything about filmmaking so why should they even listen to some uneducated random twat?
I'd argue the original podrace has more of an effect on plot than most other films "podrace". Aside from moving the plot along It serves to establish that Anakin is a very good pilot despite his age (and likely force assisted), and the bit about the Tusken Raiders routinely sniping racers also shows that he has experience flying while being fired at. Plus they actually accomplished the goal of making an entertaining action scene based on how popular podrace merch was for years afterwards.
Truth. Phantom Menace was clumsily done, because Lucas was trying to tell a story too big for its format. The podrace did what it was supposed to do, but like every other element in the movie, it didn't have a chance to meld with the rest, so it just feels like padding. It's not, but it feels like it.
The Podrace scene was one of the better things to come out of the prequels, I think, and I say this after having time to appreciate what Lucas was trying to accomplish with the trilogy. If I ever had the chance to make a Star Wars movie; it wouldn't have anything to do with Jedi, With, galactic politics or anything like that. It would just be a podracing movie; _Days of Thunder,_ but in space.
You also forgot that Qui-Gon bet including Anakin that Watto didnt want to sell, he also tried to include Anakin mother but Watto refused, it wasnt just the part for the ship. Tattooine in Episode 1 is a "pit stop" but at the same time the prequels had to include Anakin Skywalker since the prequels were about the rise of the Empire and thus Anakin fall, Tattooine was required for what George wanted to do with the character far more that Naboo was but the story needed Naboo as well, the greatest flaw is that if you see it in order then Tattooine section feels off as if you see it in release order Tattooine makes sense.
What made the humor in the original film so great was that it was much more intelligently written, and much of it was more subtle. Not like in the 2016 one where it was written by bored teenagers. The whole thing seemed like yet another bad SNL sketch
This was the time when I realized how worthless Rotten Tomatoes critic rating is. Always go by the audience rating. If the critics say something is good but the audience didn't like it, there's a 99% chance you won't like it either because you're not paid or professionally obligated to say it's good.
Then again, RT gave good movies like Rat Race, Spaceballs and Road to El Dorado very low scores. It was a bad reviewing site back in the day, but by 2016 it turned into a complete shitshow.
@@theactualTVB I've just noticed they gave Alien Covenant a 65%, dangerously close to being okay. What I hate about RT is how the critics talk about movies like they're all supposed to be incredibly well written. Godzilla: King of the Monsters got freaking 42% because oh no the story isn't amazingly detailed bro wtf who went to see Godzilla for anything other than giant monsters smashing in to each other? It's just so pretentious, media should be judged for what it is and what it's trying to be, a movie like Godzilla or even Fast and Furious isn't trying to be anything other than a dumb action flick, not Shawshank Redemption or whatever.
@@mrcheesemunch Tomb Raider 2018 was given a higher score on the site than the first two Jolie films or the Resident Evil movies, yet the film is still bad and forgettable. Star Trek Into Darkness was given a 67-69% despite that the film is godawful. Paddington 2 is currently the highest score on the site, but it's not really THAT good. TV shows like Late Night with Lily Singh, Riverdale, The Owl House and The Great North were given great reviews on RT by journos and critics, when really, they are also terrible. Journos and critics who are affiliated with the site pretend to act like they're smart by putting in college academia words to describe these movies and they feel about them. It goes to show how completely broken this site is.
I remember when this movie came out, I loved it because of the winged ghost. I really only cared about the animal/creature/monster designs when I was little
so happy you brought the past history of the fake movie reviews..... everyone should goggle "Sony agrees to settle suit over fake critic" or "sony caught creating fake movie reviews" or "David Manning (fictitious writer)" or "Remembering David Manning, Sony's Fake Film Critic" .... not that it (maybe did not) happen to Ghostbusters 2016. it is still a very interesting, case citable, historical fact of some of the same parties involved.
Worth noting that we see the Ghostbusters catch exactly one ghost over the course of this movie...who they almost immediately release due to their own incompetence and immaturity. I would say that brings their ‘Ghosts Captured’ count back down to zero, except it also _immediately_ _killed_ _a_ _man._ They captured _negative_ _one_ ghosts.
@electriicbayonet2 The movie is called GhostBUSTERS yet they're not catching the ghosts. They're just destroying them. It's like they completely missed the point.
@@noless it is using the same logic as the 2009/2019 remaster game, where low level ghosts can be dispersed, albeit temporarily, they can in fact be mostly sapped of their PKE to the point they can no longer manifest.
Ive always felt like changing previously male characters to female in the name of "Gender equality" is more insulting because it carries the implication that female characters must ride on the coat tails of male characters for anyone to give a shit (which is obviously false) but the implication is still there with stuff like this
@@ChallengeIdeas Absolutely, I've noticed an increasing number of modern "Strong Women" characters are basically just a woman acting out textbook examples of "Toxic Masculinity" Obviously theyre not all like that, but it shows that many many writers today simply don't know how to properly write a strong woman without just basically making her a toxic guy.
It's a shame such a reasonable point can land you on the toxic list these days, I think the youth just need more practice communicating their points, because entertainment is going down the tubes and most people can see it, you just need to approach it the right way.
Plus it implies women are worse at their job as apposed to their male counterparts. I thought feminists hated that stereotype. I wonder why it got so much love from them.
A year late to this party but fuck it, I'm here and that's all that matters! In the the whole of Possum's entire catalog of RU-vid videos, my absolute favorite quote is in this very review. Namely this single line: "We sure do live in a society, dont we?" The hilarious, perfectly delivered sarcasm is matched only by the depth of social commentary evident in this simple sentence. Keep manning that wall, Possum!
Sad thing is they claim it because of women ignoring the fact those original fans loved the cartoon which in fact had Janine done a proton pack numerous times in the cartoon series then you have the Extreme Ghostbusters which had a woman ghostbuster as well. But oh no us OG fans are afraid of women Ghostbusters when we grew up with the cartoons putting women as Ghostbusters with zero outrage then.
@@deanjustdean7818 Janine didn't usually understand what was going on, but by God, she was a professional, and no matter how weird things got, she was gonna do her JOB.
Speaking of cry bullies… I used to go out to bars and such and would occasionally airdrop pictures of my cats when they were kittens to whoever had their airdrops open. I assumed this was very harmless because you need to have your air drops open to receive an airdrop REQUEST (key word) and upon receiving the request it says who it’s from (my phone shows up as meow) and after seeing that you have the option to decline or CONSENT to receive said air drop. Every single time I sent pictures of *checks notes* kittens the response was always positive and they usually air dropped me pictures of their pets. So I’m hanging at this bar. I remember how much fun it was to randomly send kitten pictures and receive pet pictures in return and look if anyone is on air drop. I air drop pics of my cats. Some girl (a complete stranger) walks over and put her hand on my shoulder (without asking consent) and preaches to me about how uncomfortable I made her feel when I air dropped her pictures of my cats (as kittens, you know the most harmless adorable thing ever). I say “you had the option to decline.” She says “but what if it was a dick pic, I felt obligated to find out so I could have you banned from the bar.” I say “slippery slope fallacy is slippery… anyway, WAS it a dick pic, or was it pictures of kittens that you had the option to decline but you consented to receiving anyway?” She tries giving me a lecture about how it’s triggering and blah blah blah and it could’ve been something it clearly wasn’t but I kinda just tuned her out, I don’t exactly pay attention to what idiots have to say unless I feel like I have to (which unfortunately is more frequently than it should be). Then the girl next to me says she also received pics of my kittens and then felt triggered and turned her air drop off. I mention “Again, it asks for your consent if you want to receive the pictures. It’s not like you get them regardless, you have the option to say no. Also, they’re just kittens.” She says, I shit you not, “saying I have the option to say no is like saying ‘she was asking for it because of what she was wearing.’” I laugh and say “no, no it’s not.” She says I’m a horrible person because she’s been sexually assaulted before many times. I say “sorry that happened to you. That’s a traumatizing physical experience where you don’t have the option to say no and someone is violating you without your consent. It’s not the same as a notification on your phone that asks for your consent to view an image. Of a kitten. Kitten pictures are not rape. A rape victim could be walking the streets naked and twerking screaming ‘I’m a horny slut’ for all I care and if someone came up and forced themselves on that person without their consent I’m going to call that person a rapist and say the victim isn’t at fault. But when a phone notification asks for your consent to receive a picture you are given the option to say no. Rape victims aren’t given the option to say no. Also pictures of kittens aren’t rape and the slippery slope is very slippery.” She said she was leaving her spot cause she didn’t wanna be near me. I said “great, I don’t enjoy being around people who irrationally hate me for having a penis. Good riddance.” Her friend, one of the bartenders, said “don’t badmouth her she’s my best friend. If you talk poorly about her again I will have to ask you to leave.” I said I wanted my check. Didn’t even finish my beer. On the tip line I wrote “NOPE!”. In the way home I called the bar cause the best friend bartender was too lazy to do her job and answer it, but the male bartender there who was great at his did answer each time it rang. He picks up and I say I feel bad that he didn’t get the money I meant to leave as a tip because his coworker defended someone who compared me to a rapist for *checks notes* sending pictures of kittens. Next morning I call when they open and speak to a manager and explain the entire situation. She said she didn’t understand how airdropping works. I explain it to her. She says “yeah, that’s fucking stupid, if someone air dropped me pics of cats I would just air drop them back pics of my cats and dogs.” Then she asks if it’s okay tk text me, I say yeah. I receive a text of a picture of a cat and a dog. Also one saying that I get to get free food and drinks when I show up to the bar or the sister bar. I show up and have the money I meant to leave as a tip, I give it to her she says she’ll make sure the male bartender gets it and thanks me for not writing a bad review and talking to management instead. Turns out they meant my whole tab, I got totally fucked up and drunk that night and ate lots of free food… And I haven’t seen the bartender who defended her trash ass friend that compared me to being a rapist for *checks notes* air dropping pics of my kittens that could be declined nor have I seen her trash ass friend there. Pretty sure she’s banned from the bar. And yes, rape sucks. I know, I’ve been sexually assaulted (once had a dream this girl was giving me a BJ and then hopped on top and started riding me and woke up to a friend I had let stay in my house when her boyfriend allegedly beat in her on top of me riding me… I did not find her attractive and certainly didn’t consent to having sex with her and she said “well if a man’s hard that means he consents” type of bullshit and I tried pressing charges and it went no where because it was laughed out of court. And I had a lot of stress and anxiety when I got tested afterwards and she kept saying I was gonna have to pay child support… it was whole fucking thing… this is the only story I’m comfortable enough to share). Sexual assault sucks. It’s not a laughing matter or something to make light of. When I’m wish a girl I’m just friends with and she starts doing stuff 90% of the time yeah… I don’t mind because I’m usually attracted to all my friends and I just go along with it like, okay cool, whatever. But occasionally I’m like “yeah maybe ask first.” And when I look at the 99% of the time when they do actions that would be considered rapey and creepy and awful I think, yeah in the future imma call them out for that bullshit. And be like “did you actually get consent to do this shit or did you just assume?”
If Ghostbusters 2016 started the whole "Just say you hate women" 'argument', what do you think birthed the whole "You're just racist if you criticize a movie that heavily stars or is made by POC" 'argument'?
When it comes to movies that are centered on characters who are women, they can be done well. All you have to do is create interesting characters with flaws who are able to grow and change through adversity who happen to be women. The way I see it, a movie that doesn't focus on a character's gender and instead focuses on creating a character who feels like and acts like a real person in a compelling setting or world is the key to a quality storyline. Combine that with interesting sequences and dialogue as well as quality filming and editing with solid performances and a capable director alongside a quality crew and you're on your way. What matters isn't a character's superficial or arbitrary details, but what makes them stand out and worthy of an audience's investment. Sure, you can have overcoming a setting's closed-minded social norms as part of a character's journey and growth, but even this can be done without shoving a character's gender in their face as some kind of achievement in and of itself. For example, the original Disney animated film Mulan presents a character overcoming the social norms of their environment in order to accomplish something great. The thing is, Mulan does this not by virtue of her being a woman who is better than the boys because she is a woman, but because she is her own character who learns, grows, adapts, and ultimately emerges victorious with help from those she befriends while also being able to utilize her intelligence and quick wits to accomplish her goals on top of having a strong and indominable will. Her being a woman doesn't make her a hero, but who she is as a person outside of her gender does. If you want to create something worthwhile that represents women well in film, look to examples such as Mulan, Ripley from Alien, Sarah Connor from Terminator, etc. to draw inspiration from to name a few. It can be and has been done so there's plenty of proof all around you illustrate the point I'm making. Lastly, I apologize for making this a whole ramble as I initially intended to only type out a few sentences, but I feel this topic needs more of an explanation and a more detailed analysis to do it justice. Hopefully I have accomplished that without losing too many readers on this one. :P
34:15 so I never watched this movie. I never intend to watch this movie. But hearing that song.... hearing that song right there actually hurts my heart man. Just completely shat on the og theme.
I still can’t believe that the Ghostbusters were directly linked to two deaths (Bill Murray and Rowan) and the police never thought to call them suspects despite the timeline of events being far more than a coincidence.
This doesn’t really feel like a Ghostbusters movie, it has less to do with the ghost hunting and equipment and more to do with chinese food, queef jokes, and Hot Chris Hemsworth
I understand the reason for Chris to be there is solely so people don't know him as Thor, and well, judging by how my Mom instantly pointed and said "oh look, Thor is ghost hunting now"... Yeah, probably won't work so soon
Indeed. It wasn't. It was more a gimmick for "grrrl power" and didn't respect the source material or the universe it operated in. It reduced it to a flipped script gimmick. It had no seriousness or depth to it. Which added to the insult. You believed Harold Ramis was a scientist. None of the roles in this movie were believable.
@ren bao I thought she was funny in bridesmaids, the heat, and identity thief. But after that idk it was like she just started trying to hard and her characters were all the same after 2013
We need actual Ghostbusters to deal with this movie that absolutely refuses to die and keeps haunting our collective consciousness, leaving us smeared with its queef based ectoplasm.
I have this theory that people like this don't even watch the film. They just say stuff like that because they desperately want a mainstream iconization for their beliefs. Because this film does NOT empower women. Like... at all. It's actually kind of insulting to women. x_x
@@tarrker agreed real empowerment and real equality is throwing the notion of gender out the window and focusing on the person women are people too they can be masculine badass and fight a big fucking alien queen so once you throw out gender and stop being all "ooooh im a woman im better" and be like "im a person and im badass" thats empowerment baby
@@AbrasiousProductions It's even WORSE when you verbalize that in a movie. If you're actions or journey throughout the movie doesn't ACTUALLY show you're a bad ass, saying it aloud won't make that happen or make it true. If anything, it immediately dispels the entire aura of awesomeness that your character was trying to build up. EXAMPLE: It's why Nikita doesn't go around telling everyone how awesome she is or how pathetic men are - she shows up, takes care of business and goes for her post-mission briefing. :/
What annoyed me about the scene where Bill murray's character got axed was not just the sheer stupidity and childness of the woman who unleashed it but there seems to be zero remorse at all. Wether or not you agree with a persons' views, politics or even if you dislike them in general any normal person would feel some remorse or be effected by a person dieing by their hand in some fashion. For those who would say "No the ghost killed him not her" She again released it due to her fragile ego and that led to him being killed so she is responsible herself. Say what u want if one of the origional ghostbusters did something that stupid and it got a person killed they would of not gotten away with it freely and it would of effected them badly for the movie. As far as kevin their asisstant I once heard a person defend how dumb he is as a sort of "ha got you" in regard to how female characters and the origional female secretary was regarded. Problem is aside from you know its not the 1960s anymore and there have been alot of deep and solid female roles Janine, forgive spelling if wrong, was not regarded as a dumb sexual object the crew could sexualize or objectify. She was intelligent and a solid char. Yea i never thought on it but why did he not just puppet them? I mean they are normal humans and had no sort of protection so why did he just not freeze them? Suppose the reason was just by the power of vagina...... I always hate it when a story dumbs a villain down just to make the heroes look good.
That's what I've always thought about the secretary thing--the way they treat Kevin feels like revenge for something that never happened. Janine was not dumb and was not objectified and drooled over. She could hold her own when verbally sparring with the guys. But in these feminists' delusional minds, Janine was treated badly so they need to make up for it by having female Ghostbusters treating a male secretary the same way. Even though the mistreatment of a woman never happened in the original! Insane.
I don't think its possible for the writers of this movie to dumb any character down. In fact I always assumed the reason most of the characters don't have any actual character and just feel like comedians standing there saying random things is that the writers exhausted every ounce of mental energy they had writing Kevin's character and just gave up on the rest.
Even with the "the ghost did it" argument, it doesn't explain the whole "person died in front of them" thing, which is horrifying IRL in every single case, even if you're just a bystander. Happy Gilmore did "character falls out a window as a result of another character's foolishness and dies" joke much better, because it was actually amusing. This could have worked if, for example, they had the ghost already out, in a glorified fish tank, perhaps. They show Bill Murray, and the ghost tries to break free, which scares him, and he falls out the window. They're absolved of the blame, they look shocked, hard cut to a funeral or a news statement, and the film moves on.
@@AutumnWind92 She didn't like it because of the swearing. It doesn't matter whether or not the person is a man or a woman, she still doesn't like swearing.
You know what that movie needed, they needed The FitnessGram™ Pacer Test is a multistage aerobic capacity test that progressively gets more difficult as it continues. The 20 meter pacer test will begin in 30 seconds. Line up at the start. The running speed starts slowly, but gets faster each minute after you hear this signal. [beep] A single lap should be completed each time you hear this sound. [ding] Remember to run in a straight line, and run as long as possible. The second time you fail to complete a lap before the sound, your test is over. The test will begin on the word start. On your mark, get ready, start.
OMG I saw it! I saw the Tommy Wiseau's movie "The Room" scene fragment when the ladies were going to the roof hahahaha I didn't expect that it was so funny! You're tearing me apart, Possum!
