Is it Worth Upgrading Cams on an N/A DE? 

You're welcome! Those Altimas are deceptively quick. Good luck with the build!

that should be nice, I love it

You're welcome! I think most revup guys look for a used engine when they start running into issues - would be dope seeing some rebuilt high-rpm screamers. Since the revup has some advantages over regular DE.

If I had the budget, I'd say full send. lol. After it gets back on the road, I'd love to get a Nismo V1 spoiler, and maybe save for wrap.

Until you pi$$ off a cop and get slapped with an environmental charge from the guy sitting in the green F-150 he called up about 20 min ago for a vehicle inspection... check your state / province laws folks. 🤣

If I knew more about all the costs involved in maintaining and modifying a VQ, I would have done the same.

Nice! It's definitely worth it!

Like any purchase, it's only worth it if your goals and budget allow for it, which is the point of my breakdown here. I think breaking down numbers deters people from installing cams for n/a DE's probably more than it encourages it. While the heads were sent to machine shop, I did the install with a buddy, so everything was cost effective for me in reaching my goal.

There's so many improvements on a stock 370 over a DE, I'd keep it. You'd want to focus on heat management, like an oil cooler, and hood venting. 370 has better brakes, suspension and wheels right out of the gate, so you're faster than a DE already.

jellofuel right, the problem it’s just the cost, my car rn is basically bone stock, it actually cost the same as a basic bolt on de.(including suspension, lsd upgrade). Also the master slave cylinder in the 370Z is internal which is a pain in the ass. Also I found it to be hard to get in second gear in my 370Z, could be a synchro. Btw, how is your gearbox on the 350z?

I like the 370 more tbh so I'd fix the trans, install an oil cooler and go from there. But a bolt on DE with suspension upgrades, wheels and brakes would tear up a track. My gear box is fine, I use redline synthetic fluids and that fixed some fifth gear grind I had when I bought the car 5 years ago

jellofuel thanks for the advice, It seems like all the gearboxes on z have some flaws. I am using the redline as well, it’s a bit better but still grind a lot.

Hey, so I thought the C2's didn't require headwork, but looks like they need JWT shims and springs. Their S1 and S2 cams don't require them. People upgrade the oil pump because the regular DE doesn't rev as high as the revup. The revup pump has stronger gears, so if you retune for 7k rpm, it's best to upgrade for it. Realistically, I've never heard of any oil pump failing on the 350z. Low oil pressure is almost always the dam oil gallery gaskets. But for a couple hundred bucks, that oil pump gives that peace of mind, because installing the cams is a lot of work. The oil pump itself isn't any additional work, since it's driven by the primary timing chain, which comes off for the cam job anyways. I think you'd need to lower the upper oil pan, (once front timing cover is off) but that'd be it.

I went with Jim Wolf Tech C8, which are 272's. I think the 272's for the HR will make like 350whp after a tune and full bolt ons

Thanks! Took like a year and a half of research, swapping parts and tuning, but definitely worth it to me 😁

jellofuel so what are you running?

@@Thetrapcrafter10 I'm finishing an engine refresh, but Z1 intake, NWP throttle body, JimWolf Tech C8 cams, Tomei headers, and Z1 test pipes, y-pipe and single exhaust.

jellofuel are the headers worth it? I’ve heard mixed things. And is it a revup?

@@Thetrapcrafter10 if you have the budget for it, definitely worth it over others like DC or stillen. My z is not a revup

You could do poncams or C2's and have good gains. While you're in there, I would do water pump, upgrade to revup oil pump, do timing components and replace gaskets. Like the oil gallery gasket that is prone to go on these.

@@jellofuel thanks for the suggestions bro, I’ll look into them. Nice z btw keep pumping out that content 🔥

Thanks! I appreciate it

@@jellofuel the gallery gasket is prone on the revup ?

Glad I could help! You'll definitely love the upgrade, the sound alone with worth the cost lol

I never drove a Maxima, but I only hear good things about them. Any big plans for it?

@@jellofuel yes so i made a tictok to build my maxima if u wanna check it out lmk but ima make it a progress building that car all the way up

Wife and i have actually seen them live twice now lol. Def-initely a good show if you can catch them

For sure! My wife and I have seen them live twice now, definitely worth it if you get the chance.

thank you!

I don't think so, I think the block is the same and everything else is different. If you need new cams, I'd go aftermarket, or buy stock ones from someone who's upgraded.

I say yes, but clearance would be tight. Even with the vehicle up as high as you can get it. But can be done without pulling the engine. I'd pull it out, redo seals and gaskets to make it easier and more reliable.

You're welcome!

poncams would only need a retune. By engine refresh, I mean we tore the engine apart, did not replace piston rings or anything like that.. Basically stopped just shy of a full rebuild. But we swapped in all new gaskets and seals, and the heads were professionally done with new valve seals. And also installed all new timing components and water pump. Everything else is reused.

Jim Wolf Technology C8 cams.

No issues with clearance, but a shop installed the JWT shims/spring kit, and worked on the heads which is definitely needed for the C8's.

@@jellofuel ohh makes sense. I wanted to go with Tomei 272s for the nonrevup but they seem to be out of stock and the 258s just don’t seem like a good option to push over the 300 mark, which leaves me with the only option available 274s with IN lift of 11.3mm and EX lift 11mm. Tomei says after 11.00mm on the intake side, recessing the pistons is recommended 🤦‍♂️ but thats $$$$ that i dont have. So thats why i asked the question

Wish I could join, my buddy and I just got the engine in tonight. So I'll be spending my free time getting everything hooked up.

@@jellofuel I gotcha, I'll catch ya on the next one bro.

I don't think so, I think the bolts are different. I think if you can get revup heads to match up to, that could work, you'd need to plug some holes that regular DE doesn't use.

Just a throttle body spacer won't do anything. I'd get the NWP throttle body for better throttle response. It includes an adapter and I think this leads people to think spacers work. The only spacer that makes power on a DE is a plenum spacer

@@jellofuel how abt a plenum spacer and throttle body spacer

@@autoperformance503 there would be gains from the plenum spacer. I'm just saying the TB spacer doesn't do anything unless you also happen to have a larger TB installed.

You're welcome! I appreciate the feedback

Thanks for the sub! I appreciate it

It averages around 22 mpg or so on premium. It could get better if I keep my foot off the gas lol

@@jellofuel what do you think of using 11:1 Compression pistons with these cams and any guess on how much of a power difference it would make,

Sorry for the late response (busy year), but I remember Sasha Anis running high compression pistons on his build, and it didn't show the gains he was hoping for, the DE intake manifold is just too restrictive a bottleneck for the pistons to increase power. 11:1 would work great with ITB's, or that forward facing manifold from merlin machining though.

lmaooo I think the Jim Wolf Tech C2's would do the trick, don't think there's a lot of options for the VHR guys :(

I'll just hit up John at Z1 motorsports. He'll find something lol.

@@Hondacbr600rrish For sure, John's the man! He's tuned my z like 5 times now lol

He probably knows me well lol. Cause I call him and ask rhetorical questions that don't make sense lol 😆

Yes, hp measured at the rear wheels.

I guess you cant complain for a true drop in. I'm currently in the process of refreshing my gaskets and timing chain, thought I'd look into cams 🤷‍♂️

The stock cams are so small, anything's an improvement lol. Have a specific goal in mind? The S1 or C2's are good budget options, I think either one will get you into 280's to 290 whp range

@@jellofuel yes maybe something that would have me at 300whp or close enough, i already make 283 full bolt on tuned , i have a 06 350z de non revup and would like some cams that i wont need to do head work or bottom end work

@@jasonrodriguez5227 My vote is for the JWT S1's. There might be new Tomei cams that are also drop-in friendly, but I'm not familiar with their revised cam sizes.

@@jellofuel thanks for the response i also found Tomei poncams 264 10.8mm It says it can use the stock valve springs but not sure which would be best jwt s1 or those

@@jasonrodriguez5227 it's really a preference of brand at that point. Both will have dynos showing the gains, and generally jwt has better high rpm gains