Is Jay Z The Greatest MC Of All Time + Better Diss Track 'Takeover' Or 'Ether'? EITM Debates 

I also find it funny that this guy Rosenberg has an opinion on hip hop, now I know I may offend some people when I say this but that's okay this is our music birth out of the Bronx 1973 Kool herc. I don't need someone who does not look like my people to form an opinion about everything concerning Hip Hop I understand we're reaching the masses and that's okay but when you start to form an opinion about our music, our culture which you have little understanding of then I have a problem. Nas by far is our ambassador, I don't know how these people get these radio jobs what makes them better than any of us why is it that their opinion is valued I would love to have a sit-down conversation with anyone of them and debate in all seriousness about who is the best who was not the best in regards to hip hop. I mean let's be honest like nah said you wanted to be on every last one of my classics, it would seem like to me Jay Z clearly is following the footsteps of Nas and terms of his Investments and even his social awareness but if we paid attention we would know that Nas has been socially aware since the beginning of his rap career.

Honestly and it kinda make sense now why J cole is like that too he don’t really care about the limelight he just rap and live his life

@Jarrel Ely don't ask a dumb question Nore really?

Nas is not rapping for the charts or for popularity. Nas teaches in his music and it’s always a message.Top 5 in my book above Jay who is an honorable mention in my book

Nas don’t have the catalog that jay has.

Mr & Mrs Plummer I agree. But if Nas is Prince, JAY Z is definitely Michael Jackson!

One hot album every 10 years average ... FOH it was written was lit and better then anything hov has ever put out. So Nas has 2 untouchable albums and bodied him with ether . There can only be 1 king!!

Christopher Murphy false

@@420killaz78 you;re buggin if you think it was written is better than reasonable doubt or blueprint 1. i would say illmatic is better than anything hov has ever put out but jay has the next 2-3 albums after that, easily.

Even Prince adapted to sound I think ppl Jay is Underrated as an MC because his business moves outshines his Rap career Maybe thats what he wanted but bar for bar Jay-Z is a monster

Straight facts 💯

Much success to ya, even if you wish me the opposite/sooner or later we'll all see who the prophet is

Accurate

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Jeffery Fenton true

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@@slimshady4875 he not

So underrated yet he's in every top 5 rappers list? Shut up man!!!

1 fucking line mentioned like stop hov dedicated the first half of takeover to mobb deep then the second half to nas

J Johnson he said he lost when they compared Either to SupaUgly

Marquise Parker exactly

this radio station steady on Hov's Dick

Eddie terrell he said if it was going to be anyone...it would be him because he stole all his moves. I think he said that as a little bit of a shot a Kobe.

Jay Z kills Nas in every way

Right now he most certainly can outrap jay....em ahhh depends on the day...em can either be super sharp with crazy good subject matter...and other days its just lazy and just a buncha words to fit and rhyme into his set rhyme scheme.... Anyone can get got on any day...its just like boxing Now if you said he cudnt outrap nas, rakim(even at 70), immortal tech, mos def, black thought, id say his chances would be slim...

@Jarrel Ely off course not

@Jarrel Ely in what?? Rap off...or battle rap (In there primes) Rap off just like bar for bar wudnt be shocked if twista won Battle...gonna go with jayz

kendrick will out rap jay z anytime.

nomar manuel-munoz what does out rap mean? If talking velocity then Twista and Busta Rhymes can out rap Eminem then.

Mike Jones I do hate jay I respect him and his impact I look up to him he is definitely 1 in alot of areas that have impacted the culture just not as an MC and his total body of work album wise is not that great ..not just hits

He never out rapped Biggie on a track FOH only one who kinda did was Method Man

@ziggy Xavier. Don't act brand new homie. It's universally accepted that jay out rapped Biggie on Brooklyn's finest. YOU many not think he did but the majority of people think he did based of the complexity of his bars. Big got him back on Young G's but on Brooklyn's finest Jay clearly had the better rhymes.

Mike Jones denying how he sold out is disingenuous also

stayed relevant for OVER 25 years? lol but reasonable doubt (his first album) came out only 22 years ago.. and all he was staying relevant to back then was nas' style lol

they wont.... Jay has them under his thumb... no way in hell Jay can make a solid album today

Yep nas is the God MC His new album is Fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥😯🔥🔥🔥🔥

He has a trilogy of KD and Magic just those 4 >>>>Jay

Troy Stone I agree and Nas has stayed true to himself in the industry. Success!!

That’s what’s so great about hip hop but to say it’s not even close is disingenuous. They had a battle for the crown for a reason. I think most fans are bias though and probably don’t even listen in depth to any mc who is the rival to their favorite. Listening to jay and nas albums just from the 90’s alone and it’s hard to determine who’s better. It basically just come down to taste and preference. Nas has a more relatable persona and jay has a more elite, wealthy persona that most can’t relate to. But if we really “listening to music and not just skimming through it” they both have crazy crazy bars and flows.

RBG RBG it's actually close both are top 5 emcees. Jay-Z was rapping like the fushickens before he listened to illmatic though lol

RBG RBG but Nas is the better storyteller and songwriter. Jay-Z spits from his perspective he's not good at telling stories , Jay-Z is good at straight spitting but Nas can do that too.

Nas the goat 🐐

Exactly it all comes out to people's personal taste in rap music. But it is fun and entertaining to watch people debate about who is the best MC of all time.

Greatest is far less subjective than best; although favourite is completely subjective

legendary no, it’s not. If you back up your claims with an actual solid argument then it holds no weight

There are no opinions when it comes to the GOAT... Only the GOAT.

There are a Few goats, but the number one goat is a debate.

Cadillactica I agree with you

Cadillactica Definitely. Nas is the GOAT when it comes to lyrical ability. BIG was the most skillful. Pac was the most impactful.

I'm convinced you guys don't know what it takes to be a great lyricist. The double entendres from Jay are out of this world. Maybe most are too simple to grasp it.

yunghopbitch But, content also plays a factor. Anyone can rhyme words, but it takes a lyricist to paint a picture. Those entedres are not that impressive either. I rock with Jay, but I think he gets too much credit sometimes.

Em isn't the GOAT but he is top 5, Jay isn't

Yeah def lost me at the end

If Nas didn’t drop that banger Stillmatic, his career would’ve been done.

Jay z is the goat

Nasir Jones

Damn right 🔥🔥King Of New York G.O.A.T

Your wrong. Jay Z has a lot of introspective songs. This whole thing false

nobody remembers then..if they held me at gunpoint and said i should name one rakim kool g kane song i would get popped

@@yolinjenga225 low true 😂

All those mcs are great but they ain't got the consistency jay got... At Jay's age he's till putting out classic albums like 4:44 and he's able to adabt unlike those mcs you mentioned. I got mad love for Nas but Jay is more versatile and that's a fact

Brinx NPH oh you mean the mainstream albums ? Reasonable doubt didn't even have a good debut , it took years for that album to really do something. Jay Z has mainstream popularity . It does not make him the greatest MC . Jay Z makes good songs and is a good MC but he's not the greatest . Even famous rappers have what they call the supreme or Alien list and Jay isn't there .

Jay-Z is overrated asf.

So why is he not in the conversation

Brinx NPH the first 3 Roots albums are classics bro

We're not talking better........we're talking greater. Thought isn't close to Hov when it comes to greatness, and I love Thought

icebergthegamer today he would Eminem has been washed for a long ass time

TheBestEver listened to chloraseptic remix? Yea em still a beast.

icebergthegamer em hasn’t put anything good out since 2002 and that’s just facts

TheBestEver that’s actually your opinion.

icebergthegamer wrong

Kendrick out raps both today overall he isnt one of top 7 Jay and Em both are

@Jarrel Ely WTF No

Well currently Cole is on a frenzy no one can outrap him these days... No one not even Kendrick. I mean just look at his career he has continuously gone up since his debut unlike Kendrick who took a dip after TPAB. And it seems like Cole's trend would continue with THE FALL OFF as it has three bomb tracks as of now "Everybody Dies, False Prophets and 1985"

@Jarrel Ely Cole way too OP

Like what its 2021 and his most notable thing other than Rap he has done is invest in a door bell

@@georgehorton5288 Google is your friend. Nas is a venture capitalist. Part owner of Guerilla Union (tour company behind Rock The Bells) owner of Mass Appeal. They’re expanding beyond a label/magazine. Sweet Chick restaurants. History clothing. And yes check his portfolio out of all his investments. There’s a reason Puff said at the Revolt awards when he gave Nas the icon award that “on Silicone Valley you done out hustled me” don’t take nothing but a second to see the numerous things Nas is involved in. I only listed a small portion

@@georgehorton5288 if you might paid attention to the new last week his half million dollar investment in coinbase is now worth 100million dollar so he definitely knows what he does

Thank you!

doing it Longer than who? hahahaha go back and study

Darl Aig than anybody whos still active and relevant.

julio garcia pac?

Jay Z loves to rap about how great his flows are, yet he is rapping off-beat for at least a few bars on most of his songs, lmao..

julio garcia FOH jayz susbstance is very limited

westsideAUKILANI You a clown.

yunghopbitch Agree

westsideAUKILANI It's quite simple.There is no debate.We just watched 4 legends in hip hop in their 40s (Black Thought,Nas,Eminem,and Jay z) recently put out projects to display CURRENTLY who is the Greatest of All Time,and If we are being HONESTLY OBJECTIVE we should come to the conclusion that Jayz CURRENTLY has the greatest body of work of any artist in hip hop over 40 and has maintained a certain level of influence and credibility at this point on the culture that is unparalleled with any other MC in their 40s that you can mention.

I agree. Jay is far from the GOAT I don't know about his overall success. Business has nothing to do with music. His music won't be culturally relevant to black people and our culture 20 years after he dies like Pac or after Nas dies.

9595113 Nope. No way. Unfortunately Big died and Jay evolved and surpassed Big on a whole other level

Rakim is 2 years older

Shabazz 7:77 Thank u!!

Cee Austin won what pop culture context when Hot97 and others promoted him to this status

Cee Austin Hov most definitely did win. Bar for bar not even close.

hov didn't "win". takeover is a better song than ether. ether is a better diss track tho. I hope that made sense.

Nas won

murphydboi yeah bar for bar nas bodied him

Biggie maybe

facts

White skin 😂

Nice use of that Kanye line bro

LadyIsTheChamp Light skin is the best, jk of the day

kanye aint in this convo, lol its hip hop people are passionate, you new here??

His soul was touched after that joint dropped. Matter of fact, it still reverberating.....his stans been tying to rewrite the history ever since. Then try to deflect and say he won the battle cause Nas signed to Def Jam LMAO!!!! ETHER damn near is apart of the hip-hop lexicon. All that success can't hide how Nas exposed niggas' whole character and existence.

White ppl (who are irrelevant in hip hop) will say Eminem bc that's all they know.

Foh nigga I fw jay but all he said was nas last albums was garbage and he hit his baby moms and he richer lol NAS ETHER is crack One mic crack rewind crack this is all stillmatic

Takeover did not age well. People don’t even remember that RECORD.. But ETHER is now used as a verb for destroying an opponent.. NAS the GOAT

lmao nope.

Nas is twice the rapper jay z will ever be

DameZ BRUH....THIS CAT IS THE BIGGEST FRAUD!!!! KILLA CAM EVEN MADE A JOINT CALLED SWAGGER JAGGER😂😂😂😂

Yet I’ve heard some many other artist constantly use jay lyrics all the time 🤔

MY BAD ITS CALLED SWAGGER JACKER

Why are you yelling at me?

Go head and get your trolling on.

Jay Z was constantly great NaS at Prime was THE GREATEST

You out of your Mind. NAS has about 6 Classic albums… Jay got about 3 Classics and some great albums.. Nas catalog is way more timeless… Plus Nas has the Greatest Album of all time “ILLMATIC ..

No

@@eddiearcadian332 whose better?

Be Eazy Another Myth. What did jayz say that was factual?

Antonio honestly he probably has more classics people sleep on American gangster and vol 2

Em's first three albums are all classic. Stan is better than any of Hov's songs. And he killed renegade.

Illmatic, IWW, Stillmatic, and LT1 are all certified classics. Nas has at least 4 classics. KD has potential to be his 5th. No skippable songs on Kings Disease.

J. Ivy and Ye had better verses in that song

Big L Biggie and Big Pun were dropping way more double entendre

i prefer takeover as well

Very factual

Luka MG Great joke

pimpmastaa101 not even remotely close

Sorry but not even close ! Not even an emcee top 10 .

Easily the streets around the world say 2pac is the greatest!!!! Only weak as New Yorkers or East Coast people would say otherwise because he dissed Biggie and all their heroes like Jay, Nas, Mobb Deeb, Fugees etc. He rode on all of them and they didn't say ish back.. He died at 25 and dropped more than anyone. Jay has the longevity and that's it. No inspiration to the real streets about upliftment until he turned damn near 50? FOH! Pac was speaking on it in his early 20s

You have the ears of a goat apparently.

dlkc2000 bro it's hard to be the greatest when he didn't make an album better than Illmatic, it was written, life after death, reasonable doubt, blueprint, let the rhythm hit em, and the list goes on and on. If it was based purely on passion he'd get the nod bit that's it. He's not the best lyricist, hes not the most well rounded, his story telling isn't the best, his word play isn't close, his breath control nor his live shows were the best either. I was blessed to have seen big, jay, Nas, pac, Eminem, big L, big pun, Rakim all live in person. Its not opinion it's just technical fact.

No lol Jay can't beat: L, Pun, Pac, nas, Big, Cube.

JAY Z NEVER RESPONDED BACK😂😂😂😂

i guess yall dont understand when hov says - yall know the difference between facts and fiction right? ether is full of fiction , but takeover is a classic diss track attacking three ppl at a time.

kasim suraj LOL HE STILL LOST SON!!!

Michael Barrow he did respond do your homework

TheBestEver EXPLAIN TO ME ????

I agree. Makaveli

BIG is a better emcee than Pac and so are 15 other rappers. Do you know the definition of Emcee??? A wordsmith, flow, cadence, delivery, double entendres, etc.....I love Pac, he is the greatest Hip Hop Artist of all time but his verses lacked technique and his word choice were repetitive

You must live in LA if you believe BIG's lyrics has not influenced anybody