Is Jesus really denying his own goodness in Mark 10:18? Clearly not! As Jesus calls himself the Good Shepherd in John 10 and Jesus asks, “which one of you convicts me of sin” (John 8:46) implicitly claiming to be sinless. Moreover, the deity of Christ is all over Mark. In the beginning of Mark 1:3 John the Baptist is quoting from Isaiah 40:3 which says: “‘Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.’” and more specifically it says Make a Pathway for our God. Yet it is clear from Mark’s account that John the Baptist is clearing the way for Jesus. This suggests that from the earliest gospel he was worshipped as divine. Also, the rich young ruler asks what we must do to be saved but the gospel is not about works for salvation but trust in the Lord. Jesus’ response along with Mark 10:18 is in verse 19 you know the commandments Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.’” the rich man claimed to have kept all of commandments he hadn't. The first commandment is to have no other gods before God himself. But the rich man made an idol of his money, which is why when Jesus asks him to sell his possessions and money and follow him, he refused. The rich man was honoring an idol before the true God that stood before him. Lastly Mark 10:27 in the same chapter Jesus says it is impossible for man to be saved expect with the power of God: 24 The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, “Children, how hard it is[e] to enter the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” 26 The disciples were even more amazed, and said to each other, “Who then can be saved?” 27 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.” (Mark 10:24-27). Jesus goes on to say that he would give his life as ransom for many (Mark 10:45) and that his blood would be poured out for many (Mark 14:24). Therefore, if it is impossible for man to be saved expect by the power of God, and Jesus claims to give his life as a ransom for many then Jesus is claiming to have God’s saving power. Thus, if Mark 10:18 can be used to attack Jesus’ deity, then the same gospel can be used to refute this assertion. Furthermore, Jesus’ claim to do what only God can do proves he claimed to be God. The Old Testament seems to agree that no human being can pay for another's sins (Psalm 49:7-9). Only God will redeem our lives from the grave (Psalm 49:15). I also thought it was very hypocritical for the Muslim debater to condemn the language of Luke's account of the virgin birth because of the use of the word overshadowed by the Holy Spirit. But the Quran uses much more graphic language. As Sam Shamoun points out: "It is surprising that Muslims would raise this as an issue, since it is actually the Qur'an that describes Jesus' virginal conception and birth in very graphic language: And (remember) her who guarded her SEXUAL ORGAN (Arabic- farjahaa): We breathed into her from Our Spirit, and We made her and her son a Sign for all people. S. 21:91 And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her SEXUAL ORGAN (Arabic- farjahaa) and We breathed INTO IT of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His revelations, and was one of the devout (servants). S. 66:12 The word farjahaa, from farj, refers to a person's private area, to their private parts." www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/virginalconception.htm He also tries to cite John 14:28 to disprove Christ deity but the context of John shows this effort is intellectually feeble because the context of John's gospel shows Jesus is God (1:1, 1:18, 20:28, 5:22-23, 14:13-14). His accusation that Christianity gives us a license to sin demonstrates a lack of knowledge of scripture. In fact Romans 6:1-2 states: What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? Romans 6:1-2 He cited John 5:30 but the context of John 5 shows Jesus is coequal with the Father For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. John 5:18-19 NIV For all his mockery his arguments are very pitiful!
You mention (John 8:46). I will accuse Jesus of SIN. Jesus lied, slandered, malign the GOOD NAME of Satan in (Luke 10:18). Satan is the SON OF GOD in the Jewish Scripture. SATAN NEVER disobeyed or rebelled against God of Israel. I CHALLENGE anyone on this thread to show me a passage from the Jewish Scripture which mentions SATAN DISOBEYED GOD DIRECTLY?
@@sardarkz9929 there are so many passages about the disobedience of Satan (Genesis 3) How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, “I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon. Isaiah 14:12-13 Satan is very prideful and as a result rebelled against God
@@patrickfisher2817 Isaiah 14:12 is not about Satan, but it is about the King of Babylon, Isaiah 14:4. And Genesis 3, does speak about the serpent, but once again it's not about Satan The serpent is a animal- beast,and not an angel of God (Genesis 3:1).
@@sardarkz9929 it obvious the serpent is Satan and this argument is pure garbage Revelation 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. Ephesians 2:1-3 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others. Genesis 3:1-6 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Has God indeed said, "You shall not eat of every tree of the garden"?" And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, "You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die."" Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate
@@patrickfisher2817 The serpent is an animal, which God CURSED the serpent to crawl on its belly forever, and evermore (Genesis 3:1, 14). Meanwhile Satan was with God in HEAVEN having conversation about Job (Job 1:6). The NT is full of LIES about Satan
@Samuel Green, I was wondering if you would be willing to debate if Jesus was fully God/man since I believe He was fully man while in His incarnate form. We can do it on your channel or have a neutral party host the debate. I hope you accept this time since this is a doctrine with salvific implications. Thank you Yours truly Mr DELICIEUX
Philippians 2:5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death
Wow, that was a debate and a half! I have never heard someone take so many verses out of context in such a short time than Ilyas. Does he realise that he is doing it I wonder? Seems like he is only interested in winning the argument by all means rather than desiring truth. So sad...
In (Mark 10:18) Jesus does believe the Father is the only one who is GOOD. Jesus believed the Father is the ONLY God, the only true God (John 4:23, 8:54, John 17:3, 20:17).
@@SamuelGreen-AU Jesus does point out the Father is the ONLY TRUE God in (John 17:3). (John 17:3) Now this is eternal life: that they know you, (Father) the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
@@smk1189 Of course, that is Trinitarian. If it said only the father then you would have a point. Please read all of John when Jesus and the Spirit are described as God too. You cannot take one verse and ignore the rest of the book.
@@SamuelGreen-AU Trust me I have read John. . . .How can you believe in Trinity when the Holy Spirit is ignorent of the HOUR according to Jesus (Matthew 24:36). The Holy Spirit is NOT co-equal to the Father in knowledge. How can Holy Spirit be God and NOT all knowing.
@Samuel Green. I think Christian apologists should stop debating just christian doctrines without corresponding doctrine from the other side. Uni-topic at best keep things how they were before the start of the debate. Its now time to adapt the equal measures and weights
I am sorry to say Jesus of the Bible, Jesus of the Bible is NOT the Christ (Messiah). WHY? Because he did NOT FUFILL the FIRST Messianic prophecy of being the descendent SEED-FLESH of King David (2 Samuel 7:12).
@Arabian Prince "Islam is a copy paste made up cult with no shame "- Part 4 Christian Scriptural Errors Chap 1 with Rabbi Asher .... Islam IS the Truth!
@Arabian Prince Allah is not like what Christians have done with Jesus that He comes to the Earth... "Questions about Allaah's descending" "And it should be noted that there is no contradiction at all between our belief that Allaah is above all things and that He is the Exalted, the Almighty, and our belief that He descends to the lowest heaven, for the highness of Allaah is one of His essential attributes which cannot alter or change - i.e., it cannot be other than it is described at any time - so there is no contradiction between them, firstly, because the texts refer to both of them (i.e., His descending and His highness), and the texts cannot say anything that is impossible as is well known; and secondly, because there is nothing like unto Allaah in all His attributes, so His descending is not like the descening of any of His creatures so that one could say that it contradicts the idea of His being exalted." Islam-qa. Islam IS the Truth!
@Arabian Prince "Jesus said..."- could he have though? Even to Judaism, "whose" Bible is not the Old Testament (100%), he could not have. So, there is the true stealing. However, for if there are similarities between what Islam has with Christianity, well, the Gospel (part of), according to Islam, was corrupted. Also, it is not only Islam and Judaism which mentions of pre-Qur-anic corruption. So, does the Bible have something... or nothing? Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is in the Shahaadah not as another God, but because of the Sunnah. Abraham? Is, for example, Justin Martyr, a Church Father who accused the Jews of textual corruption, a God to you? Give me your view on this please. Islam IS the Truth!
@Arabian Prince "so the question is why did Muhammad copy these statements from a corrupted Bible and claim this is what Allah said ?"- Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon hiim) did not copy as the Qur-an is a revelation to him. So, even phrases, more or less- of what I see from a post there, can be the same as Allah is responsible for the Gospel, which was partly corrupted. "is this Allah saying it or did Muhammed copy it from the Bible ?" Allah. "so WHY would Allah copy what humans said and claim it for himself ?"- I believe I gave a response to this kind of question. Now, my question to you: how do you view statements, like the First and the Last, which are the same or almost the same between the New Testament and the Tanakh? Islam IS the Truth!
Samuel green hi I'm a muslim and although I do agree with you that the quran doesn't say that the holy Torah, psalms, gospel have been changed but where is the reference where it encourages muslims to read them
Hello. Nice to meet you. I don't think I say that exactly. The Qur'an says that the Bible can be consulted by Muhammad and Muslims to know that the Qur'an is true. If you [Muhammad] are in doubt about what We send down to you, ask those who recited the Scripture before you. (Q10:94) And before you also the apostles We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration: if you do not realise this, ask of those who possess the Message. (Q16:43) And the Meccans are to consult the Bible to confirm that the Qur’an is true. They say: "If only he would bring us a miracle from his Lord!" Has there not come unto them the proof of what is in the former scriptures? (Q20:133).
@@SamuelGreen-AU - Having said that why do you believe that the quran is not the word of god and do you sincerely believe that there are contradictions in it
@@theguyver4934 > why do you believe that the quran is not the word of god 1. Because the Qur'an says Muhammad is foretold in the Bible and he is not. 2. The Qur'an says it confirms the teaching of the Bible and it does not. > and do you sincerely believe that there are contradictions in it Yes. But this is not my main reason for not accepting it.
@@SamuelGreen-AU The question was where does Quran encourages MUSLIMS to read the previous scriptures. The answer of which u said 10:94 and 16:43 . There are some points which I would like to make clear 1. Allah says O Muhammad (saw) if you do not realise this or if you don't know this , the meaning you along with many other Christian missionaries represent is changed , when you say it is to read the full bible and believe in it . As for 10:94 u should be looking from 10:90 itself where Allah says the story of Musa as(moses) and firaun(pharaoh). When moses entered the sea and so was it split apart but the drowning took place in case the pharaoh entered in it. And the pharaoh exclaimed to be accepting the message of Moses and believing in the God of Moses , and thus was the next verse 10:94 , if you are doubtful , ASK THE PEOPLE who had the scripture before you and who had the knowledge of scriptures. it never says to read the Bible and believe what is mentioned in it. And you say Quran never says that bible and Torah got changed , I would say , when Quran says " Qul ya ahlul kitaab , taalau ila kalimaatin sawaaim bainanu bainakum" o people if book , come to common terms in between you and us(Muslims) , the word" common terms" are only pronounced when there is a difference , and Quran stated that there was a difference and also Quran states that if the Quran were the book from other than God there would have been huge contradiction , so when Quran says to ask the people , you misrepresent as to read the Bible and believe in it whereas both the verses of 10:94 and 16:43 were just telling prophet Muhammad saw to verify if prophet Muhammad saw finds it uncomfortable or if he didn't know it that too FROM THE people and that too THE SPECIFIC PART OF STORIES which were foretold in the previous verses in Quran. If Quran were to say o muhammad read bible and Torah and believe in them and the same Quran says do not say trinity , indeed the people who say trinity have made a false claim on Allah . Saying Jesus Christ is the son of Allah is the biggest abuse to Allah , these verses are in contradiction. And the Quran never said to read and believe in bible. Just the specific part to be asked if rasoolallah saw did not believe ( because of astonishment) to the PEOPLE , and that too for a specific stories. In both verses ( 10:94 and 16:43) it has been told to ask the people of knowledge, nowhere mentioned to read bible or Torah and believe in them 2. A simple question I would like to ask , is if you think that Quran says muslim to believe in bible and Torah , and at the same time Quran also calls Christians and Jews to come to common terms between you and us , and at the same time Quran also states not to say trinity , and Quran also tells about all 3 things which Christians repeatedly claim, the father , the son and the ghost. That Allah neither begets not he is begotten , that Jesus is just a mighty messenger of Allah and the angels are not the sons of Allah but just the servants of the almighty , the first verse that u claim that Quran encourages MUSLIMS to read the Bible and Torah is in contradiction with the next verses where Quran stops Muslims from believing what Christians believe. And here you bring the contradiction by yourself , not the Quran. The words of Quran are so precious , if you miss one , you will lose the whole context of verse 3. Nowhere it is mentioned in Quran that Muhammad saw is forementioned in bible , again the words are taken lightly , it is said prophet Muhammad saw is foretold in PREVIOUS SCRIPTURES. And as Muslims , we believe in that , we don't need the proof of being mentioned , but still I can show you at leashundreds of places in Hindu scriptures and even in bible about prophet Muhammad saw , song of Solomon ,5: 16 now that's a different story that u want to translate the Hebrew name mahamad as " altogether lovely" Deuteronomy , chapter 18 verse 18 John , chapters 14 and 16. And many more ...... It is a different topic , we can even have a talk on these kind of references , that's a totally a different case that you don't have to accept and agree and turn the proofs into a different direction. I am answering the questions in a defensive way , in fact I also have thousands of questions if you can spare some time to answer them , let's just go through bible and let's verify every verse and the scientific, mathematical , historical and linguistic authenticity. 4. And most importantly, u said Quran confirms the teaching of bible , it never told that , show me a single verse where in Quran says that it confirms the teaching of bible and more specifically the teaching of trinity , and the teaching of the belief of modern Christians. If it ever says , Quran will again be in contradictions , which is never ever the possibility. These are just mere your words. Of course the message of Quran is the message of the previous messengers , like Abraham. Moses Jesus which was to worship one agod and they were the messengers of gods , neither we believe what Bible says about Jesus too. Neither we need the proof that Prophet Muhammad saw is mentioned in previous scriptures. Nor we say bible is corrupted , but CHRISTIAN SCHOLARS themselves. If for tomorrow all the religious scriptures in the world are burnt , there is no chance to recover bible but in a single night the whole Quran canbe remade with every single dot on it. And that is why we believe it is the word of God
@@ahadqureshi2934 Thanks for the comments. 1. The Qur'an commands Jews to believe all of their scripture and not pick and choose. Do you believe in part of the Scripture and not believe in part [of it]? (Q2:85) Muhammad never read the Bible (Q29:48, 42:52) and so he thinks that what he is saying confirms the Bible. Please read the Bible. It is really ignorant to think you know what book says without reading it. 2. As I have said Muhammad did not read the Bible so he does not know what it says. He things he is confirming the Bible with his teaching. For your point to be valid you need to show that Muhammad understood the Bible and is correcting it. 3. Muhammad is foretold in the Bible in the same way Bahaiallh is foretold in the Qur'an. Please watch my debate with Adnan Rashid on this topic. 4. > And most importantly, u said Quran confirms the teaching of bible , it never told that , show me a single verse where in Quran says that it confirms the teaching of bible And believe in what I [Allah] reveals, confirming the revelation which is with you [Jews and Christians]. (Q2:41) When a Scripture [the Qur'an] comes to them [Jews] from God, confirming what is in their possession. (Q2:89 & 91). As I said, Muhammad shows no understanding of the Bible. He made this claim without reading it. People still do this today. I have met people who tell me they know what the Bible and Qur'an teaches. When I ask them if they have read them they say no, but are still convinced that they know what they teach.
@@Mkvine But you JUST said that Jesus alone (who is neither the Father nor the Holy Spirit, but allegedly the Son) is ONE God. So why are you changing your definition all of a sudden?
Muslims can NEVER accept the Gospel of the Christian Bible. Because in the Gospel of Matthew Jesus FAILS the TEST of (Deuteronomy 18:21-22) which means Jesus is the FALSE Messiah, FALSE Prophet, and can never be God. In (Matthew 16:27-28) Jesus makes FALSE prophecy of his SECOND COMING which supposedly to take place in the LIFE time of his disciples which NEVER came to PASS. (Matthew 16:27-28) “For the Son of Man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay everyone for what has been done. Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will NOT taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
The book of Deuteronomy goes on to tell us what it means for their to be a prophet of Deuteronomy 18:18 Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face, who did all those signs and wonders the Lord sent him to do in Egypt-to Pharaoh and to all his officials and to his whole land. Deuteronomy 34:10 The disciples admit Jesus is the prophet like Moses (John 1:45) Meanwhile, Deuteronomy 18:20 gives criteria of a false prophet But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.” Deuteronomy 18:20 NIV Muhammad did both "I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken." ~MUHAMMAD (Al-Tabari 6:111) You claim that Jesus failed the test by claiming that none of the disciples would taste death until they say the kingdom of God (Matthew 16:27-28) However, Jesus' prophecy is actually fulfilled at the Transfiguration (Matthew 17:1-9) none of your arguments work.
@@patrickfisher2817 Oh please, give me a break. (Matthew 16:27-28) has NOTHING to do with the "transfiguration event", because Jesus repeats the same LIES LONG after the transfiguration event in chapters going forward in Matthew's Gospel.
@@patrickfisher2817 Why you can't read (Matthew 16:27-28) that Jesus LIED. Do you know he is referencing most famous passage in (Daniel 7:13) about himself.
@@smk1189 you asserted that Matthew 16:28 proves Jesus lied because he claims his disciples wouldn't taste death until they saw the kingdom of God. I replied that this prophecy was fulfilled in the Transfiguration. You ignored this and claimed he repeats this lie later in Matthew's gospel. Please provide the reference. Moreover I am aware Jesus applied the Son of Man passage to himself but that actually backfires against Islam and supports the deity of Christ and I'd be happy to show you how
If you believe Jesus was God on earth, than my question to you is WHO died for your sins when God cannot DIE . . . ? God ALONE is immortal, meaning God does NOT DIE (1 Timothy 6:16).
@@smk1189 well, that word immortality (Greek athanasian) is used 3 times in the new testament. Once in 1 Tim 6:16, and twice in 1 Corinthians 15:53-54. In 1 Tim 6 it is obviously used for the Lord Jesus in a present tense (King of Kings, Lord of Lords) but in 1 Corinthians 15, it is used for Christian believers in a future tense. So from the rest of the teaching of the new testament, 1 Tim 6 is obviously referring to the fact that Jesus having taken on a human body died (separation from the body) and rose from the dead being reunited with what 1 Corinthians describes as the resurrection body which can no longer die. The amazing thing is that even though Jesus alone has a body that can now never die, Christian believers will also have the same uncorruptable body. (read all of 1 cor 15 to see this - the chapter also calls jesus risen 'the firstfruits') so, sorry i think you have misunderstood 1 tim 6:16...
@@smk1189 however, you are missing the fact the Muslim guy in the video LIED about the Quran! It has changed many times, there are over 30 different Arabic qurans and the earliest quranic manuscripts in existence today have been corrected, edited many thousands of times...
@@smk1189 'the word became flesh and lived among us' John 1:1 he laid aside his flesh when he died (notice he says on the cross, 'today you will be with me in paradise' while his body laid in the grave for 3 days) he took a renewed immortal body when he rose and then ascended bodily into heaven...
@@ilj3168 In (1 timothy 6:15-16) Paul is speaking about God, and says God is IMMORTAL, which means God does NOT DIE. I think its save to say NO Christian with some common sense believes God dies. However that being said, the question still remines if Jesus was God WHO died for your sins .. . . ?
@@smk1189 1, JESUS IS THE LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS IN BIBLE , 2, No Christian believes GOD died / creased to exist 3, the body that was incarnate died meaning for 3 days had no pulse, till the son re-entered the body and raised it up HIMSELF 1 Timothy 6:14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which God will bring about in his own time-God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.
