Is Li-Ion better than LiPo? Testing Li-Ion packs: Lumenier NAV, Auline 

The Molicel p45b 21700 are the best you can get. P42a 21700 and p28a 18650 are also top of the line. You should talk about the cells used and not rebranded packs. Although some do state what cells are used. Check out mooch battery tests. He goes into details and graphs

Before you get too many battery videos, you need to test ESR on a quality meter (the one I have recommended twice before). This is a single number that is directly compare between all packs, and it's an excellent way to look at health of the pack over time. Why do you ignore this, the meter is only $150.

Would have liked to know what cells they used for each Li-Ion pack.

It would be nice to know what 18650 or 21700 cell is being used in these packs, though I would likely guess it is the Samsung 40T for 4000mah or Samsung 30T for 30000mah. It would be nice to see some packs using the Molicel P45B or P42A as they both have a 10C discharge rating. Its also important to note the capacities are rated with a cell discharged down to 2.5V

li-ions are awesome for planes, since you can cruise at way less amps compared to drones.

i would love to see a comparision at the same(!) discharge current as you will fly them with the same setup, there is no reason the put a higher load an a bigger battery. please try to do comparisions ceteris paribus.

Repeat this when the new Molicel P50 comes out Also these premade packs are just a rip off. Get proper single cells 🤘🏻

This is why subscribed to this channel 👏. If u want to learn this is the channel.

good stuff!! need some packs for the FalconRad build--trust your full quadcopter build completion s is next AOS Falcon 7

Would really like to see testing of the Upgrade Energy Dark Lithium V2 Li-Ion packs using Molicel P42A 21700 cells.

Thanks for being accurate and precise. 👍 I think if someone would compare very low C Lipo (10-15C) with same capacity and voltage LiIon, results would be interesting. 🤔🙂

So from my understanding auline will be good choice for 7” 6s Nice review

Please test Molicel P45B, real game changers, I’ve pulled 200Amps out of these cells, no issues!

With long range builds I’m always worried that liion packs cannot manage bursts needed sometimes, especially 6S1P packs. But in cruising it’s the best choice .

I'd love to see you test servos Chris. There's so much baseless conjecture in the fixed wing world about the quality of different brands of servos. Some proper independent scientific testing would go a long way.

I use the Auline Li-ion 4000mAh pack with my 7" quad. The all up weight of the quad with the battery is 1.1kg. I get between 10 and 15 minutes flight time depending on conditions. At about $80 USD I'm satisfied with the battery but I was expecting a little more. Thank you for the tests. Your vids are valuable to me. Happy flying amigo.

are there any plans to test micro liion pack's or even micro liion cells? like sub 50g

Are you going to do a 10 inch frame? There's a hole in the market for a well engineered 10" frame and motor combo and you're the guy to do it. Should I build a hyperion or wait?

Really excellent testing, Chris! Thanks!!! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

Can we get a dark mode for your videos?

You should test the Upgrade Energy Dark Lithium packs. They are more powerful than regular Li-Ion packs

I would be interested to test your C rating metodology and compare LiPo battery on lipo discarge cycle (5C, 144S, 0,5C/s, 3,1V maybe 3,3V) and compare result with standard test. Ofc single cells, etc, would be cool as well. Thanks for graeat content

Has anyone ever tried combining lipo and lion in parallel with some sort of software switch to swap between them as amperage draw increases and decreases? The lipo would act as a capacitor for the lion.

I really appreciate having someone doing all this testing but lately it seems your videos are about promoting certain companies. You made this video without once mentioning which actual cells were used in the pack because of course the manufacturers don't want you promoting that. It is not in your best interest to talk about the individual cells and in a video like this that is what is important.

Thanks for this test. So far it was mostly a narrative, that long rangers on Li-Ion have less power but longer range... 2min more Range for 1/3 of the power is quite a hefty pay-off tho. I might actually sacrifice that range boost if I ever build a big guy and stick to my LiPos

i use an auline pack for my goggles its pretty nice

Auline 4000 I get 25 minutes cruising between 16-20% throttle on my 8 inch.

Hay can u make you channel 4k and update 7 inch drone with flex stack as 5 inch Plz tnx!

I felt like this all was going to lead up to a better conclusion. I saw very little difference between the lion cells. Didn't feel like the title of the video really got answered.

A jump cut for every sentence!

Can you (still) buy AULINE in England.... post Brexit??

Why are we paying 70.00 for 6 18650 batteries paralleled with an xt60 tied on? We could just have a 18650 holder with an xt60, then we just buy a bunch of 18650 cells. That will be ALOT cheaper.

Was need soft packed li-ion so its lighter

Seems many of us want to know what cells are being used. Cut them open and give us the info that should have been included off the jump. Look forward to your pinned comment.

Maths are simple, energy density is smaller for liion then for lipo, end of story. Lipo is better for drones/planes. LiFePo4 have the lowest energy density VS weight.

And stop using mah as a capacity mesuring unit, Wh is the unit to use.

You lost me when you said that li-ion had twice the capacity for the same size then showed the OUTLINE of the packs to be the same, even though the li-po is much flatter. That's like saying, "Look, this stack of 100 pennies is the same size as a dime" and showing only an overhead view. Thumbs down and OUT.

your a smart guy chris, you should know economics well enough to know that affiliate links actually do cost us, they cost everyone, that marketing cost is spread across all sales including ones not using the links, so affiliate links do infact cost all of us when people use them, not that i think there is anything wrong with that marketing, but saying it doesnt cost us anything is deliberatly ignoring reality... and just like how i really dont like bardwell all that much because of his affiliate speal, not the fact that he engages in affiliate marketing, but the way he tries to convince people it doesnt cost them anything, makes me dislike the guy, dont be that guy, just be honest, just say there are affiliate links there where you earn a commision from the sale if we use the link and there is no additional charge if you make the purchace through the link, no additional charge and doesnt cost you anything, see the difference that language can make from you being deliberatly misleading and looking like a dick, to being honest and still saying the same basic thing. on a side note, i would love to see you test individual cells, then simply report on what cells whatever brands use and what packs are suitable for flight packs, becaue the zohd liion flight packs are useless, made with sanyo 10a 3500mah cells and they get super hot and sag like a mf if you try to use it as a flight pack, the only craft i can use it with is my t28 1.2 plane that cruises at 7-9amps but i have to parellel it with my samsung 25r cells pack i diy myself, but i mostly just use it as a goggle battery, the POS was super expencive too, molicel make the best cells for flight packs and to my knowledge i dont know and manufacturer using them, but they also have lower energy density and at that point im not sure if its worth it and would love some real testing data like this, cheers