The ahead at the apex standard is absolutely ridiculous. It's not even enforced consistently either. The intent at Austin last week and turn 8 this week was exactly the same, the move was performed the same way, by carrying more speed into the corner to be ahead at the apex therefore being unable to keep the car under control inside track limits on exit, but the difference is... the speed? I can't believe I'm seeing people defend the turn 4 move either. Lando was ahead all throughout, which was their excuse last time, and they still say that max can run him out completely? This level of fanatism is embarrassing to see.
so if Lando knows Max will do this why not double bluff and cut back inside like Lewis did today? Really Lando is a nice guy, fast but a bit naive and slow to learn.
@@mrmdmF1-gn2zswell this is like the first season he has to deal with something like this plus he is learning, whilst it is slowly he didn’t pussy out this time like in cota
@@mrmdmF1-gn2zs how many times did Hamilton try the cut back before Russell wasn't able to keep him behind? There's also the kind of important fact that once the outside turns into the inside, none of it matters anyways, as long as you drive the overtaking driver off the track or crash into them, which Russell didn't do to Hamilton. In fact, Hamilton's move worked because it wasn't against a driver who's better off if both of them dnf.
I dont think anyone can deny that max is unsafe to race wheel to wheel anymore he knows that if he crashes out with Lando he basically guarantees his fourth wdc
I think the FIA's inconsistent rule enforcement allows for this kind of driving. Before any rule changes this needs to fixed first. I agree with Max's penalties but one has to question if he would be driving like this in the first place if the Stewards did their jobs right. I also bring into question Max's reasoning he gave in the interview. Where as his penalties were not his biggest concern. He basically said ignoring rules (because the FIA allows it) was not as important as his pace. Remember Miami when K-Mag was hauled into the office for his reasoning for bad driving and giving more penalties. Same should happen here. All this said it really is a problem with the FIA (not the drivers) by executing their responsibilities very poorly allowing drivers to "behave badly. The FIA needs to fix themselves first before any rule changes that need changing.
I agree with you, jos verstappen, Horner, Marko and the FIA have created this by pandering to him and they continue to try and find ways around the rules to enable his unruliness. Clearly we are at a crossroads, either rule application becomes consistent and he gets reined in at last or other drivers play by “max’s rules. The latter will most certainly end in disaster
This IMO really hurts his reputation and is why he'll never be a top 5 driver as we have many far too many examples of stewarding that benefitted him. How much closer would this years title be if he was penalized correctly? Would 2021 have gone down to the wire he was penalized properly in Brazil and Jeddah?
its a mix between knowing the rule book and still having the stewards on your side, he brakes 50 meters late and sends both drivers off, that is the thing that should be penalized, i get the rules are stupid but he's ALSO breaking the rules and the stewards just let it fly, but finally someone gave him a penalty
Max is doing anything and everything to block Lando. Whether it’s legal or illegal, he is happy to concede the penalty. His lack of response to the penalties was very calm. He knew what he was doing and that he would get the penalties!
Not a Lando fan but what Max did was outrageous. Maybe Max forgets he's not driving a sim. He could literally kill someone. That second penalty should have been a DQ. He wasn't even pretending to make that turn, he just went all in to pushing Lando off track, taking himself with him. That is not racing.
Yes, the possible consequences of a situation line this is the worst thing about it. Imagine they make contact and we didn’t have all the amazing safety we have now. He is literally putting Norris life in danger with that move and he seems blinded by his ignorance of how safe f1 is. I don’t think any driver want to have a consequence like that hanging over them… They aren’t immortal.
If they black flag him they would make him a mártir, since he already has the WDC in the bag, they need to black flag him in an early season race, when the championship isn’t “ok the line”
@@AlexAlex-rf8hm yeah as much as i want yuki in the main team it'll never happen so i hope liam can hold it together and maybe even be in the seat for next year
Well....i remember few seasons ago a radio from Max that shows us exactly how he thinks. It was Lewis on the other side and Max had more points, and he just said he didn't care if they crashed. If he has more points than Lando, it's convenient to drive like that. If they crash it's good for Max and if they don't crash he still wins the position. It's win win. The way he drives is not only competitive, it's dangerous and dirty. Lawson, Colapinto, Piastri could easily teach him
Big difference between hard racing and what max did. Anyone saying it was fair racing has no regard for safety or respect. It seems like Max doesn't give a shit about anything anymore.
As a Max fan, he should’ve been given penalty points or black flag for this moves or else he will be doing it again, you can’t just give Max 20 second penalty and don’t expect it to happen again
If Max Verstappen didn't run Lando Norris off of the track TWICE, Lando Norris would have won the race, and my prediction for the race would have been right. I even predicted that Max Verstappen wouldn't make the podium. As for your prediction for the top 3, it wasn't very close.
This 'first at the apex controls the exit' is pure BS. Telemetry will show where the normal braking happens for each driver on a normal racing lap. Verstappen keeps waiting until next Thursday to brake, grabs the apex, and then never makes the friggin' corner. Amateur Hour. That's the move of a bloody iRacing noob using a gamepad. You all know That Guy. Well, IRL, Max is F1's That Guy. It's about time the FIA did something about That Guy, toot-de-sweet.
Is Mad Max dangerous: absolutely! He always has been, all the way back against Dani and Charles. Only time he hasn't was when he was winning races easily. Will he learn from these penalties? We can only hope. Will the stewards continue to punish him? We can only hope.
Max's aggressive driving is only towards his nearest title competitor which is Norris. The same thing happened to Lewis in 2021. The last 4 races and two sprint races will be very exciting now.
In Lando’s penalty the FIA stated that it could have been 10 seconds but they dialed it back to five because Verstappen also went off and Lando would have made the corner.
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@@JDT2309 Yeah, because when Verstappen went off with him Lando couldn't make corner stick. But this time i think Max went to far and they saw it. Also, they had pre-race talk about the rules of racing and maybe that is one of the reasons for 2 time 10 seconds
3:13 i think that's briliant from lando, slowing just enough to put max in a very bad position while still "giving" his position back and ended up forcing max into a massive penalty
Senna : if you no longer go for the gap... HAM: if you no longer go for the gap... MAX: 🤷♀️ As long as the current rules allow it, I'll continue to do it. Is there a Solution?: FiA need to come up with better rules that does NOT enable: 1) turfing the outside car off the road 2) but does not penalize Ricardo-like-dive-bombing. But that is NOT easy to do when you have ground effect cars with shorter braking distances unlike the older years.
This was very calculated in my opinion, the alternative if he gave the position up is that lando would’ve likely won the race, with max finishing in p4, (25 points norris vs 12 points max, =13 point gain for Norris) whereas by finishing 6th but holding lando up enough he made norris finish second (18 points Norris, vs 8 points max, = 10 point gain for lando) given lando needs something like 11.5 points per race or something. This is a net gain for max as lando only gained by 10 points. If he can do this when the car is awful, and then compete when the car is good (Austin) he will win the WDC. He knows exactly what he’s doing
I feel like “ahead at the apex” should only get you the steward’s advantage if you keep it on track at the exit. Otherwise you were only ahead at the apex because you made no effort to actually make the corner on track. Taking the apex first and then going off track at the exit should be penalized as “leaving the track and gaining an advantage” more often, especially when there’s another car outside of you that can’t stay on track without being hit by you.
Cars are to big for what max is doing. I like how Carlos immediately cut the track when max forced him knowing if he tried to hang on he’d loose more places. Guys very sharp.
Carlos is still trying to convince Horner to take him into Perez seat next year. The jungle drums are pounding ever louder my friend that Carlos will not drive for Williams leaving Colapinto in the seat.
Max has pretty much gone back to Mad Max from 2021 his racing was absolutely awful today he didn’t need to drive like that considering he’s miles ahead we need a look into the driving standards rules in Brazil before Qatar Gp as it’s getting quite ridiculous this happening to often
I'd say that 20 seconds is a bit overboard, but not by much. However, we are where we are now because a few years ago F1 stewarding was a lot more strict and the drivers kept crying "just let us race!" so things got looser...And It'd gotten stricter because drivers were doing crazy things!! It's a cycle!! Just like the runoffs/track limits..."If they put gravel, we wouldn't go off track to gain an advantage"...they put gravel...people go off and their races are ruined..."why did they put gravel here? it's not fair that my whole weekend gets ruined because of one mistake"...They start policing track limits, and we get 200 or whatever infringements..."that's not a good look for f1" It never ends!!
Which F1 is this? 😂😂... Old F1 had hard racing with unsafe race track designs.. Not dangerous driving.. And yes, they frowned upon dangerous driving back then
@@hamza12ism if you ever watched that F1, you know there was hard racing and not dangerous driving except for the occasions MSC would drive into people in attempt to win the WDC... Plus that F1 had very little overtakes, if any. If we had DRS back then, it would have made racing even better...
@@KailamiMwiingaBoth of you are wrong. F1 was cleaner and more entertaining back then, and DRS would ruin the entire point of hard racing. Take Hakkinen or Alonso, Button. They were very clean drivers and delivered quite the spectacle back in the day. Also, safety was pretty much the same as it is now, with the exception of the halo, which is just unnecessary weight. Right now, all I'm seeing is big, bulky, chunky cars trying to find ways to pass around a corner, a difficult feat for most drivers to perform. However, when we had smaller, more agile cars, everything was much more fluid. It's time we ditch the hybrids. Bring back the v10s, remove the halo. Plus, races don't need many overtakes to make them interesting, just nice, clean racing, smart defending, and wheel-to-wheel battles. It would make things much more memorable than simply watching cars overtake on the straight.
They need to simplify it. If you go off track you get a 5 sec penalty. If you force another driver off its a 10 second one. Max will do whatever he's allowed to do
65tif the FIA does not stop max from driving other cars off the track of you try and pass him, he WILL kill someone! or himself! his driving is deadly dangerous!
Naaah I think that calling Max dangerous is exaggerated. But today he was foolish for sure. He didn't need to take all that risk in order to become champion again. His points lead was large enough.
It's amazing how drivers and everyone else respect Max at a certain level, yet clearly Max doesn't respect anybody else. He's like a movie villain who's good at what he does, and a menace to those around him.
Not dangerous but Max is driving in the Senna style, this hurts the pure nature of competition, beat me on the track, not with lame rules or by crashing(also lame), the rules are getting super convoluted thanks to drivers like Max. They all know what’s right and wrong, be men and do what’s right. Last but not least, man I miss Charlie Whitting.
7:05 everyone watching F1 from 2016 knows that if you know if you are going outside of Max to overtake you better get way ahead of him before the corner or else your car won't be in tracks or you will be crashed out. Max will always be in the limits of the rules and regulations... Some or most of it doesn't seem fair but it is what it is he is Max and he will always bw in the limits
Comparing Sainz overtake with Lando is different coz, Sainz has nothing to lose and max knows that, Lando and max are fighting for the championship and max has more to gain from them crashing out,
All of this really hurts Max's reputation. He's a good driver but as a fan base we've been talking about the same regs for 4 years with overtaking and there's only driver who's consistently been at the center of that conversation. Max fans can't have it both ways of either a) hard racing or b) the rules are the rules. This grey area is a let down for the sport and is tarnishing his reputation. How much closer would the WDC be these regs were applied consistently? How high can we hold his prior championships given his driving style (Monza 2021; Jeddah 2021; Brazil 2022; Hungary 2024).
First FIA needs to explain why 10 sec penalty, previous race for same things it was 5 sec penalty. What is criteria for 5 and what for 10 sec. For me then Perez it should get 10 as well, he even made a damage to both cars. Also then lando should get 10 sec previous race and finish behind Oscar. So question for you guys, what do you think? Did FIA wants drama in driver championship or what do you think about all of this?
I feel like they should just use merc’s version of papaya rules cause that was Some beautiful racing instead of this BS where they just drive each other off the track
One thing I took from this race was Carlos showing Lando how it's done to overtake Max on the long straight! (This is a joke, I'm not knocking anyone's favourite driver)
Max has such a lead that it feels like he’s just racing to ruin landos race. If they both crash he doesn’t care because he will still be ahead on points
Everyone finally see’s past the facade to see what I’ve seen since 2016. Crashstappen never left he was merely given reliably quick machinery.. and no competition within the team 😂
I’m sorry but this is Max. Either you yield or we wreak. He’s obviously an incredible talent. But these past couple of years it’s made it look like he’s matured and become a cleaner driver. Easy to say with the car he had along with a sub par teammate. Fans of him can defend him all you want. But how many others do this as much as him when he’s being challenged?? There’s a difference between racing hard vs instances like today. Was a penalty deserved? Sure, but I’ll agree 20 sec was a bit much.
Sure he has talent but if F1 is spec racing then no big teams would want a driver like Verstappen because apparently forcing people off track is all he can do when he's defending.
G@F1Unchained got to disagree, Norris braked so early it was dangerous. I thought he was slowing to let max past from the live footage abd max had to swerve to avoid him
I told you the Ferraris will be on top on your predictions... stop overpowering Max he's maxed out already....this kid is done.... he's a total trashh the worst driver I've seen.... someone put Verstappen in a trashbagg.... there's nth wonderful on how he drives....so childish and he's nearly 30 mahnn groww uppp
This is what you get when the FIA refuse to stop Max from driving like this back in 2021. One of these races he’s going to create a very bad crash if he keeps this kinda driving up. Max is entitled prick!!!
Max has always been dangerous. If it wasn't for the halo Lewis would either be dead or crippled when Max took him out those years ago. He needs to be pulled up.
all this dangerous driving just fell on def ears when max was doing the same thing to Lewis crickets now he's doing what he has for years and its a problem The FIA is just as Bi polar as Max
It would be a lot more exciting if they just let him erase that of all these little sissy penalties outrageous let them race it is called motor racing for a reason
Eh ? I’m not sure what you were watching but norris got schooled again today. Just the fia gave Norris a free 20 Second pass . He won’t be world champion Norris that is so cling onto your feeble hopes.
Turn 4 was just barely over the line, worthy of the penalty, but not really dangerous. The next incident shocked me that he didn't get a DQ from the race, it straight up looked like he just tried to take out lando.
@@notastone4832 no, and I don't think that was on purpose, he literally just made a mistake. A costly one but I was a reasonable pass too attempt, it has happened many times over the years.
That move into the s’s is what people do in F1 24 when they are frustrated for being overtaken, where there is no consequence. Yeah it’s fun to see them fighting for position but this isn’t even funny or anything, it’s just simply dangerous. I think a drivethrough penalty was much more appliable here. We can’t be racing like this.
Is Max dangerous to pass? Carlos made a great pass 01:38, Charles got past him too as they both did relatively easily last week in Austin, no issue there. We have seen him passed by numerous drives over the season. Its always Lando that has issues passing him, yet its always Max's fault. Maybe if Lando grew a pair and applied better passing strategies maybe we would not be talking about this. I mean after Austin how hard is it to know he will take track from the inside, we saw Lewis cut back toady and make passes stick. Lando does not learn.
Carlos had a great weekend but it’s just unfortunate that it’s not very consistent. It’s been a year since he had a pole position, Singapore 2023, and seventeen races since he’s had a front row, Australia 2024. Meanwhile, his teammate has 7 front rows and 3 poles. I’d just wish we could see him do this more frequently
My question is, why does Lando keep leaving the inside so open to Max? If he doesn’t want to be pushed out, why not close the inside and force max to go through the outside? Last week and this week Lando had enough space to close the inside, yet he doesn’t. That’s probably going to keep him from a championship.
I feel like what was worse than anything was the fact Max seemed unbothered by all of this during the post race interview. He learned nothing as usual and will do something like this again...
