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I have Menzters book infront of me and for his Ideal Routine Jay missed the following. In the Chest/Back Day you also do a set of Lat Pullovers Superset into Palms Up Pulldowns In the Leg day you also do a set of Abs In the Arms day you superset the Tricep pushdowns into Dips
supersets are useless anyway if you already go to mmf on the 1st set, dropsets and supersets are really only for people that struggle to train to total failure on the 1st set
@@asjad_boi4169 I disagree. you can't push a muscle to the real failure without supersets or dropsets. for example, if you can press 50kgs for 6 reps and can't do the 7th rep, does that mean you achieved full failure? no because you can still press 30 kg so, to reach the actual failure you either do dropsets or supersets. supersets are similar to dro sets but they also work another muscle group as well, so it's more effort with more return or partial
We have better information now and since I am a certified personal trainer I can autoregulate my own variables better myself than abiding to a specific and antiquated static routine. He is right about dips. I wish I was able to do those in my home gym
Hello, I have a couple of questions: 1) What about the stretch after the workout? 2) Could we play some sports like tennis or soccer during the resting days?
jay is talking about 99% of the people you see in the gym jerking weights ,joking around and taking selfies , hes absolutely right ,those people couldnt generate intensity in their workouts even if their life depended on that.If you are offended by his statements, hes is not speaking about you
@Jay vincent , I'm confused , besides the safety factor , are their any other benefits of a slow rep cadence? Can you please clarify some additional info on the subject in a video? Thanks !
Didn't he recommend 3 reps for incline press instead of 6-10? also, does this training approach suitable for elderly/ people with heart disease? if not, what style would you recommend for your students?
Hi. Mentzer recommended 6-10 reps in the flys before you follow with a set of incline with a weight heavy enough to do 3-4. This is done as a uperset. Keep in mind though that the number is arbitrary. You should reach failure regardless. The flys are for pre-exhaustion. And yes, this can be done by elderly people as well.
@@dendanskehelt4296 On the ideal routine the reps for incline press are 1-3! For dips on delts/arms day he recommended 3-5. Both those compounds in the supersets have those rep ranges. I have the book open in front of me.
Mentzer’s workout isnt ideal for maximum gains as a natural. Works for some gains but definitely wont see ideal results. Any newbie will see a bit of muscle gain just because of them being new to lifting
Exactly . I think Mike used the word ideal due to that fact that you don’t have to live in a gym and get to do more important things like being with family work and recovery in general . Pretty ideal to me working 12-14 hrs a day
Actually mike would disagree with you. If you look into mike he was an strong objectivist and believed that in science there is no such thing as "subjectivity".
You're wrong dude, Mentzer reccomended different routines to different peoole, and this was not his only routine, perhaps it's his best 4-days routine but he even had a single day routinet@@ben-ben2366
I appreciate the video. But saying mikes program isn't going to be good for you, does it no justice. He never said 1 size fits all. He gives you a program and to adapt based on what you experience. After actually implementing it for the period he says. Blanket saying it "probably isn't going to be optimal or perfect for you" says nothing at all. Nothing is perfect for anyone and to act like your program holds a magic formula for each individual that mike has somehow overlooked is a complete crock of sh*t. Using his name to gain views while promoting your own course as better then his methodical approach i find to be disrespectful to Mike's name. But i still wish you all the success in the world with your channel.
I'm doing a variation of Mike's advanced consolidation routine and getting stronger every workout. Squats palms up chins. Rest 7 days. Deadlifts, dips. Rest 7 days. 2 sets per workout total. It is Mike's beginning workout.
@ben-ben2366 it's a perfect program and can be customised to your lifestyle and gers straight to the point. I do my own variation of the Consolidated routine.
@ben-ben2366 it's a beginner routine. But does work every muscle group with enough overlaping. I am following Mike's advise "after 8 or so workouts, take 2 weeks off. Then resume training every nine days". I'm gonna do every 10 days. But you have to train insanely hard, I go to "near" negative failure. And every time I return to a more advanced routine, I'm never weaker. Despite the fact I haven't done those other exercises in months (aside from the specific skill set for each movement, which comes back after 1-2 workouts).
@@birdbrainz4178 It's not only a beginner routine, it was designed for those who are very close to genetic potential and thus to over-training. It also therefore works for those who over-train easily as a beginner.
Mentzer scored a perfect score in a competition. Where is your perfect score? I understand you want to promote your product, but put some respect on his name.
hes literally roided and most ppl watching arnt, also perfect scores are mostly a posing thing, which isnt that tied to your physique, arnold, robbie robinson, sergio oliva etc, where ALL bigger and leaner then mike but didnt get scores like him
Single set training, as taught here, is dead. Look up any elite university research or the American College of Sports Medicene. In the 90s, the latter briefly supported conventional single sets but no longer. All the research nowadays is with multiple set training. Muscles have to be intensely hammered, not intensley caressed, to grow bigger and stronger.
The ACSM is wrong. None of their recommendations are supported by any evidence. It’s mostly opinion. Read this paper which looks into the ACSM guidelines in detail and see for yourself www.researchgate.net/publication/238100785_A_critical_analysis_of_the_ACSM_position_stand_on_resistance_training_Insufficient_evidence_to_support_recommended_training_protocols
If you think a single set to absolute failure doesn't 'hammer' muscles you probably should put your money where your mouth is and try it. If you can do a heavy single set of 20 rep squats and then come back for another, you'll have earned your right to make your claim. I'm confident you won't come back for another set.
