Is one better than the rest? 3 ways to make a frame and panel

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Ah, the frame and panel. A classic component of woodworking. As ubiquitous as the dovetail, for sure. But what's the best way to make one? Well, let's dive in and find out!
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@ENCurtis Месяц назад

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@Bytesplice Месяц назад

Link doesn't work

@patrickbink4617 Месяц назад

I would but I am already a WWGoA member; have been for years!

@chairmanmaoxxx 28 дней назад

Thanks for the reminder to join the guild. Meant to do it months ago. Gold membership for an extra 9 bucks is the way to go.

@tonyacosta529 Месяц назад

I watch tons of RU-vid videos and never make a comment, but I will make an exception to your page. I found you several months ago and I truly look forward to your new videos. Everyone is very informative and entertaining. I love your format and how it feels like you are talking to us. Keep up the good work and I'll be looking forward to the next one.

@patrickbink4617 Месяц назад

Same here!

@zachshott7833 Месяц назад

Only sponsor spot i never skipped forward for

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

Haha appreciate you man!

@jeffhaviland9896 Месяц назад

I really appreciate it when you show your "Brain Farts" (mistakes)! I am a longtime hobbyist and recovering shop teacher. I make a ton of mistakes and it frustrates me, kind of like I am the only woodworker who makes mistakes. Your honesty really helps my attitude when I am in the shop. There are a few RU-vidrs who honestly show reality. Keep up the amazing work.

@ChristianJ526 Месяц назад

hi Ed, your one of my favorite Woodworker. Being an non native speaker and only an hobby woodworker your mixture of craftsmanship, design and comments on live in general combined with your clear articulation makes your videos a joy to watch. Best greetings from Germany Christian

@inmyimage1081 Месяц назад

Hi Christian, I’d try greeting you with the German I learned in high school almost 40 years ago but my brain doesn’t work in multiple languages like yours. I say all that because I don’t want it to sound like I’m trying to belittle you in any way when I let you know his name is Erik, not Ed. Hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend👍

@KevinsdadNorb Месяц назад

Great video - love starting Saturdays off with coffee and an ENCurtis video!

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

Thank you!

@eldongriffiths2770 Месяц назад

I'm particularly partial to the bridle joint and have used it almost exclusively for more than 40 years. Thousands of doors from small boxes to cabinet doors to oversized entry doors.

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

I considered using the bridal as an example. Perhaps I’ll check the one off in the future!

@eldongriffiths2770 Месяц назад

@@ENCurtis That's bridle as in equine harnesses and the like. That's OK. We all have times when words are hard. I cut my bridle joints closely enough that smaller doors hold together against a fair amount of stress before any glue is added to the equation. A quick scrape of the surfaces to be glued, a check for square, and the lightest of clamping results in a nice quick, clean assembly.

@Ketaset999 Месяц назад

For getting laps at 09:36 : Raise the blade flipping every time. You'll make a tiny tenon. Keep raising and flipping until the tiny tenon falls off or is just a whisker. Then you are exactly half your material height.

@petercorney3125 Месяц назад

The milling music 👌🏼

@lmcori Месяц назад

Great video. This is an excellent level-up tutorial on panel frame construction. Also, love that you include the mistakes and fixes. Unrelated, the podcast is fantastic. As an aspiring maker, I’ve appreciated the perspectives on how we grow and evolve in the craft. Thank you for the effort in creating awesome content!

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

Really glad you’re enjoying the pod!

@AABlindSquirrel Месяц назад

You skipped right over the mitered mortise and tenon joint! By far my favorite joint for jewelry box lids.

@kb6dxn Месяц назад

Wood workers of America, now that brings back memories from years ago and I am still a member. They do come up with new content and it goes well with a time of coffee and zoning out, then there is the makers mob with a good selection guys.

@twcmaker Месяц назад

Out of a number of channels I subscribe too. Yours is the only one I don't skip a minute. And, and I've heard that some people set the speed to x1.5. Some to x2 speed which is crazy. Anyhow your 'Average view duration' must be super long. Something I would like to get right without using music. Not easy. Have a wonderful day ❤️ Jamie

@renaissancewoodworking Месяц назад

I built our screen door with half-laps and dowels. It’s a HUGE 1970’s custom door. So, I had to make it myself. Unless, we wanted to pay a few hundred dollars. Used 1/2 redwood. That door is used and abused all day being a back door! SLAM SLAM SLAM! Still holding together after four years. 😊

@johngalanes5264 Месяц назад

Love the look of that "flush" panel. Thanks for showing it!

@kirklandcarswell6640 Месяц назад

This morning’s video was great. First thing I do Saturday morning is look to see if you posted any new content. I think pod casts are great too.

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

Thank you so much!

@williamshaffer2562 Месяц назад

Lotta coffee this morning huh bubba. Seriously Erik, fine teaching moment for young woodworker to learn. Good job. Carry on bud carry on.

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

Much obliged my good man 👊

@40jwthomas Месяц назад

Those reveals on the panels are stunning. I can’t wait to incorporate this ❤️

@wouterengels7769 Месяц назад

It's a thing of beauty that panel! Adding it to my every growing to-build list.

@colleenscorfield3505 Месяц назад

As ever superb skill and interaction, mistakes are part of life and should never be hidden that's the beauty of "hand made by humans" which adds soul to a piece.

@jt8172 Месяц назад

I so enjoy the content EN. Your subtle mistake in work and words...feels real. Keep it real man 😂

@Harleydane Месяц назад

Love your posts, I find myself looking forward to end of week to see if there will be a new video. Must also say if I’m feeling really frustrated with a current project, that I can always get some motivation from watching on of your videos . Now for the negative, my only complaint is having to wait up to 2 weeks for new episodes and wish they were a bit longer, I know you have patreon now but being on a fixed income I can’t really swing it yet. Anyways keep it up love the channel .

@CallMeMabie Месяц назад

Long time fan, first time commenter. This is a great video as always but I just wanted to compliment you on the shirt choices you often make. They're just so darn cool sometimes.

@karl_alan Месяц назад

Love the half-lap-mitre joint. Used it on a picture frame recently & it looks great with finish on it.

@shaunpowell1294 Месяц назад

Highly recommend the woodpeckers dado nut for the sawstop, it allows full engagement and rotation of the nut securing the dado stack.

@davidcaraballo3991 Месяц назад

Easily the smartest and best $2 investment I'll make today.😆 Thanks Eric!

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

Love to hear that! 😎

@twandieltjes1359 Месяц назад

Beautiful technik and explained!

@michaelnorman5640 Месяц назад

Thanks for sharing Erik as always another great piece of wisdom my friend!

@YurievOlmos 8 дней назад

Some table saws have a very convenient 5/8" nut-washer thingy to stabilize tick dado configurations like in this video, you should get one for your table saw (e.g Woodpecker's Dado Nut)

@johnbillings5573 Месяц назад

As always, thanks for the way you present material. For this newb, it matters.

@jimrosson6702 Месяц назад

Another absolutely great video always look forward to each and every video so helpful and informative. Thanks for sharing as always.

@southernjoes8372 Месяц назад

Excellent work. Great job of explaining the techniques and processes

@woodnotestudio Месяц назад

Great video as always. What an inspiration you are.

@cdnbean Месяц назад

THANK YOU for showing different ways to do the same-ish thing - ALSO love showing of errors and how to fix (lord knows I need to know how all the different ways... ) Cheers!

@skippylippy547 Месяц назад

Did he say . . . "College Eric may have neglected to read Thomas Aquinas from time to time? 🤣🤣🤣 OMG that was hilarious!

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

I was always a terrible student of I’m completely honest 😂

@jt8172 Месяц назад

Skipped English and grammar class too 😂 finally someone who speaks like i does LOL JIC 😂😂 I mean JK appears words and acronyms are hard 😂😂 Love your content and humor! @ENCurtis

@kevinc5234 Месяц назад

Thanks Eric, for another great video.

@devolljs Месяц назад

Eric, good video, thanks. Can you share what wood species you were using for that project?

@Kernowwoods Месяц назад

I could watch you talk about paint drying Erik lol. Thanks for another great tutorial. Love what you do 🤙

@jimmcnett Месяц назад

Look so good.

@IntrepidFox94 Месяц назад

This was very enlightening and inspiring. Thanks.

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@MrMikebeer Месяц назад

Thank you very much man, you are the best, I am one of the 1000!!! I send you greetings from Uruguay✌

@inmyimage1081 Месяц назад

Used your link to look as the WWGA but it looks like their vides average 5-7 minutes and given the topics, between you and The Wood Whisperer, Tamar and a few others, that I get better instruction here. That’s partially because all of you make the content not only instructional but also engaging and entertaining. Would like to see you also do more series similar to ones you did in the past following a project from inception to conclusion.

@jimhanrahan6406 Месяц назад

Thanks! Always entertaining learning.

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

Thank you!

@mcozturk Месяц назад

Thanks for another great video! There is one detail you skipped however. You left a 1/8" gap between the frame and the panel. Was that for aesthetic reasons or to accommodate for the panel's expansion. Since you glued the panel to the frame, I am thinking it is not structural but I am not sure. In any case, it would be helpful to discuss wood movement for a framed panel like this in another video. There is very little on this online.

@KRWoodworks Месяц назад

I love and use stub tenens, a lot, There are cabinet doors all over my house with stub tenen rails and stiles.

@avbauwel Месяц назад

That half-lap panel for the double garage doors at my parents sounds like an option.. Nice timing on this video for myself :) And was still in the top1k clicks, best 2$ spent in a while.. with a 9$ Gold upgrade to go with it.. ;) Keep these video's coming! :)

@Fusion_Woodworking Месяц назад

Great result.

@terrytopliss9506 Месяц назад

Thanks for the video,really interesting ideas.👍👍

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

Glad you liked it!

@user-op9tu9fs8o Месяц назад

Loving the content and approach you take. Us Brits still find the health and safety on you saw bench a bit alarming, ever thought of a run off table?

@smorgasbord42 Месяц назад

Great video - As you know, there are more than 3 ways.... Besides the bridle joint mentioned above, there's an actual haunched Mortise & Tenon, and, of course, using Dominos or dowels. The discussion of using A) stopped grooves versus B) a joint that fills in the groove (stub tenons as you did, or haunched M&T) versus C) Not caring since the exposed groove end won't show is, I think, worth yet another video. BTW, what joint did you choose for the front door, where the edges would be exposed when the door is open?

@1deerndingo Месяц назад

Love your videos. The centring idea is simple and yet so effective. Your video has made me think (not common). If you had the groove only in the mitred portion of the lapped mitre it would not show and it would mitre join an internal moulding on the frame corners. I'd still have to mitre the moulding joint on a central rail though. Thank you for the shove.

@briancollins2230 Месяц назад

I got to you late this week. But I got to you nun the less. Great video. I always enjoy the coffee references. I sometimes feel that it's a shutout. But it could be a stretch. But I'll take it. See you on the next. Take care.

@robertberger8642 Месяц назад

Good video

@brendo1000 Месяц назад

Hi Erik - great tips - looks so much better than a plywood backing! Thank you for sharing. Can I please ask what hearing protection you use / recommend?

@ABNestor Месяц назад

Best ad read ever! But now I want to know what "Comparative Religion" is.

@chrisjaustin88 Месяц назад

So you didn't comment on gluing the central pieces, which it looks like you did, and wood movement and having clearance?

@ElectricalInsanity Месяц назад

Wow, you really turned it up to 11 for this one! This is "teach a man to fish" kinda stuff!

@ChurroLightyear Месяц назад

This got me to go make some espresso on this saturday

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

Love a good weekend espresso ☕️

@tiarnedwards2339 Месяц назад

Hi Erik, my partner loves the monster mug you are always drinking from, where did you buy it/who made it? Keen to help her track down its source 😊 Thanks!

@andrewklug4845 18 дней назад

Great videos! Would you share what you prefer about Old Brown Glue over Tight Bond II or III for these kind of projects?

@kellywillems6126 Месяц назад

Love it

@corumkane3545 Месяц назад

Where\d you get those sweet blade wrenches for the table saw?

@rmwoodcraftllc Месяц назад

Question, how do you keep the rabbit detail of your flush panel centered? I am assuming that it's floating.. also, that is a good looking back panel. Cheers.

@TWC6724 Месяц назад

I ordered a membership to WWG. Thanks for the coupon! Quick question. I’ve been trying to tell from the video, are you fitting the panel into rabbet’s on the back or simply butting it up to the back of the self and attaching it there? May be a dumb question but was just curious. And how and where do you attach yours? Glue or nail in the middle to allow for expansion? Got to say, that panel is sexy for sure 👍

@TWC6724 Месяц назад

Nevermind, I answered my own question at 26:52. I see the rabbets 😊

@user-os7jz1oc5y Месяц назад

Whoa! Look at those subs rising! Goodness gracious me.

@zionosphere Месяц назад

I appreciate that you took the time to show different methods. As someone with only handtools right now, I'm leaning toward the half lap since it's easier, but with the addition of a peg.

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

That’s a brilliant variation that will hold up for decades if not centuries 👊

@BillJBrasky Месяц назад

How are those panels going to handle movement?

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

They’re only glued in the center 3” or so and have about 3/16” of space to expand into the frame.

@user-mo6yl6ok3y 3 дня назад

Eric Were you ever in the seminary? You seem to have a back ground in theology with the way you present things

@BrittaDuffy Месяц назад

I'm curious if this is the build for a class you are teaching? I saw you and Larissa Huff are teaching together, and I would love to have joined the class, but it wasn't in the cards for me to attend.

@theelmagoo Месяц назад

I almost did a spit take when you cut to the montage of you jointing these very small boards.... and this heavy metal grunge music comes on?!

@theofarmmanager267 Месяц назад

It’s an excellent lesson in various techniques. I would just say that sometimes, the “strongest” technique is not needed. If you feel you need a joint to sustain (as a pure example) 1 tonne of force, then is the joint that will take 3 tonnes more useful than the one that will take 2 tonnes? And if that 2 tonne joint allows you quicker (that may mean cheaper) joints, then does that speed overrule unnecessary additional strength? In part, it comes back to “just because you can, doesn’t mean you should”. I think of that mostly in terms of design (I can make a complicate design but does that mean I should or that it’s better) but it can be relevant to aspects such as joints. In years gone by, I would almost always use a M&T joint because it is relatively easy to do and should be very strong. Now that my body objects to the use of the Morticer, I do use one of the dominos. I can’t see that a M&T joint is necessarily stronger than a domino joint and I’ve never had ones, made properly, of either style fail. The mantra of “just go and make something” is a phrase I wholly agree with. To get people started, then they should commence the journey to understand all the joint options but know that the simple one is almost certainly fit for purpose

@corwind3888 Месяц назад

Looking at that back panel, I think you put it in upside down. Heh, just kidding. That back panel looks wonderful!

@thedookster4143 Месяц назад

Signed up for wwga..thanks bud

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

Awesome! Thank you so much!

@nicholasmanovich4330 Месяц назад

Very nice

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

Thanks

@renaissancewoodworking Месяц назад

Wait, I thought you got rid of your Sawstop. 🤔

@norm_olsen Месяц назад

Awesome video! I'm new to this channel, and found myself starting to watch more of your videos, Erik. I thoroughly enjoy your teaching methods, and this video is no exception! I do have a question though.. at around the 26:27 mark, you are using liquid hide glue. Is there a specific reason for this? I looked online for differences between this and your typical Titebond type glue, and from what I gather, hide glue can be more brittle and even allow one to separate the joint without needing to damage the wood it bonds.. so I wonder if you used this in case you need to make some wood separations afterwards? That could be a cool future video, featuring hide glue and pros/cons of using it. In any case, thanks for these videos! Great quality and very informative!

@davidcaraballo3991 Месяц назад

Modern hide glue is pretty on par with your standard yellow glue structurally speaking. It's main advantage is that is has a longer open working time. Then why not use hide glue as that standard? That's mainly due to the hide glue not being able to handle water which is why it can become brittle. Also a little water and steam will let you pop out that joint. So advantages and disadvantages based on the operative application. Making a bookshelf that will sit in my home I'll use hide glue, for cutting board go with your titebound3. Or it could be that's just what he had on hand. 🤷‍♂

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

Hide glue definitely has its limitations but liquid hide glue, as David pointed out, has an open time of close to 40 minutes in good conditions. In this case I wanted be able to center the panels once the assembly was together without the yellow glue seizing the panel in the groove.

@youzhou2946 Месяц назад

if it is the same thickness, glue and flush with each other, why not just glue a few boards together? I thought frame and panel construction is to reduce the weight while still maintaining most of the strength and also have a few floating board for seasonal movement?

@jonathonbaron2914 Месяц назад

@encurtis would you, at some point, consider talking at greater length about how you account for wood movement in glue-up and groove-depth? When I’ve done frame/panel doors for cabinets, it’s been recommended to me to always leave a bit of a gap, and to not glue in the panel; but that seems (a) to be different to what you’re saying you’d do with visible joinery; (b) maybe unnecessary when the stiles and panel are oriented the same direction in terms of grain? Anyways, super curious to hear more. : )

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

Will certainly do a video on that at some point. How I calculate how much room they need for expansion differs by species and grain orientation, but for now I’ll say the panels are only glued in the center 3” or so and have about 3/16” of space to expand into the frame.

@jonathonbaron2914 Месяц назад

@@ENCurtis Thanks for the reply! And I’ll look forward to the eventual in-depth video. : )

@inmyimage1081 Месяц назад

You can use ChatGPT to figure out how much movement you need to accommodate. If you haven’t used it before, you want to use as much specific information as you can but be concise. An example of what I mean would be: Calculate the amount of wood movement for a 24 inch wide panel made from kiln dried soft maple with 3 boards that are .75 inches thick and 8 inches wide.

@joeperch4486 Месяц назад

On the frame & panel part, how do you keep a consistent gap between the panel and the rails/stiles and yet still allow a gap in the slot for wood movement?

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

The panels are only glued in the center 3” or so and have about 3/16” of space to expand into the frame. Then I use playing cards as spacers during the glue up to ensure even spacing.

@joeperch4486 Месяц назад

@@ENCurtis Thank you. It makes more sense now. I really like your videos and your presentation style.

@1deerndingo Месяц назад

You're out of coffee! Maybe the whiskey cup

@masterfranco1991 Месяц назад

what is up with the mug?

@InstantaniousPoint Месяц назад

it hurts to see the cup set onto the cast iron

@christopherharrison6724 Месяц назад

I have a saw,set of chisels and a marking gauge will that do 😊

@Mark_Wood Месяц назад

Wait, I thought you had a Harvey TS

@DaddyBooneDon Месяц назад

Tons of tutelage, and tons of tunage, tu 😊 Can you share your playlist for this video please?

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

I should really put one together… if I do I will share!

@slanwar Месяц назад

I always watch these videos on Saturday with coffee on my hand and today my hand is empty because I’m out of coffee….

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

That’s the most tragic comment I’ve read this morning 😂☕️

@guillermo7777 Месяц назад

Nice work, but what about that space i was tough you must leave in a floating door panel, so it’s was all not necessary? After all this years of getting the math right in the cabinet doors, it was a waist of time? Dang it, well forget about them from now on, nice content

@katherynlamarche7308 Месяц назад

Thank you so much again .I really miss your regular videos. I do not watch padrone not a lot of money at 80 yrs old leaving in Canada with Liberals putting us in the poor house. Julien.

@walterrider9600 Месяц назад

thank you EN . hey talking is hard . so hide glue !

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

No lie detected!

@214rwoz Месяц назад

Thanks, I feel like i'm stepping away with a better understanding and idea of the way to get it right. I hope that makes sense to you. Thank you for all your time and effort. 1in7

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

Love that. Thanks so much.

@anthonyseiver7000 Месяц назад

Glad comparative religious studies gave you impetus to start learning woodworking. I blaspheme so much when I work in the shop, they'd never accept me for religious studies.

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

😂😂😂 eh I was much the same in college. Some found it humorous, others offensive

@howardcrane5902 Месяц назад

The rest of eternity? How long is that?😅

@zionosphere Месяц назад

I like the idea of college Eric neglecting to read Thomas Aquinas discussions on the divinity of Jesus to instead study the profession of Jesus. I bet Thomas would be amused.

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

I think you’re right. Might even say that Jesus would find the humor in that 😂

@Spills51 Месяц назад

I make CobKexes once in a while also...😜😜

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

😂

@glockgrouptherapy Месяц назад

"You don't need it!" Thanks Eric. The wife heard that and now I can't buy it.

@MAKEITSF Месяц назад

First like and first comment. Woot!

@ENCurtis Месяц назад

Appreciate you!

@rswearing Месяц назад

Am I surprised to learn that you studied comparative religion? No. No I am not. That tracks.

@Kosh42EFG Месяц назад

Mmm... Hot pony sauce...

@LordPadriac 26 дней назад

I used to watch WWGA but at some point I started noticing just way too many safety issues, bad practices and pure opinions passed off as concrete and universally accepted fact. I haven't watched any of their content in more than ten years now.