Is Percabeth actually a toxic relationship || In this essay I will 

U know abusive victims tend to fall in relationships with abusive ppl? Right? And not to mention, Percy has an attachment to ppl.

I am going to also use that as my yearbook quote

I actually told my best friend that I want to castrate and kill him.

Mine will be: “i didn’t want to be a half-blood. Well, too bad Percy, I did.”

Yes as a joke

Seriously I say to my friends all the time If they say a bad joke or tell something they shouldn’t I say I will kill or kill u later

I mean they are one part of each other how can Percabeth be toxic?

This quote is sweet, though your s/o should be your compliment, not your other half, in my opinion. Too much dependancy can be toxic, but i dont think they have that here.

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I 💯% agree! That's why I love Rick Riordan ships. Like how you said, people are never perfect in a relationship, and a great example of that are Percabeth, and even Fierrochase.

@@rileysgameoverworld84 same

​@@rileysgameoverworld84 Piper and Jason was bad, and Hazel and Frank was, I don't know, not too memorable. Percabeth was just too big that everything else couldn't match it

​@@jamesindia6131Might be a hot take but Hazel and Frank's relationship is the most interesting part for me in the second books I enjoy there characters a lot

omg got yes, judo flipping ur boyfriend against a stone for being kidnapped and blame him not his kidnapper such goals

U have to consider THEY ARE NOT NORMAL MORTALS, THEY SERIOUSLY HAVE GODLY BLOOD FOR GODS' SAKE .......

Also: IF ANNABETH WAS ABUSIVE, HE WOULD NOT BE IN THE RELATIONSHIP! HE LIVED WITH GABE, AN INCREDIBLY ABUSIVE MAN, FOR TWELVE YEARS OF HIS LIFE! HE CAN RECOGNIZE ABUSE!

​@@pipermclean7980doesn't make it okay?

​@@WhiteSwan2011do u know abusive victims can still fall in toxic relationships filled with abuse? How DELUSIONAL can Percabeth fans be. Like I love percabeth but u gotta acept that

YES. HITTING UR PARTNER, SUCH LOVE LANGUAGE

Ye

I think their great but out of context...

Cool, u can think what you want to think.

@@endlessoceans9038 yeah lmao out of context it looks so wrong to some people but to me even out of context its perfect haha

I don’t think Percabeth is abusive either, but I do kind of understand why it might seem abusive from the surface.

Percy IS LITERALLY SCARED OF ANNABETH AND IT'S PLAYED FOR LAUGHS. Sorry but rick make leo's friend punch him for being missing, despite leo being an abused victim. Rick never touched any topic of the effects the abuse had on Percy and Sally, he write a coming out scene where the gay boy from the 1920's was FORCED to leave the closet, when coming out is supposed to be safe. Don't excuse it with them being child soldiers. It's just Riordan's shitty writting.

And Annabeth isn't scared of Percy ​@@bl00dyroses? In House of Hades, Percy literally nearly kills the misery goddess, Akhyls by controlling poison, like he would water and Annabeth is described as VISUALLY FRIGHTENED! Next Leo: You haven't punched your friend playfully before? I know I have. And Leo was gone for who knows how long. I think that's justified. Gabe's abuse: At the end of The Lightning Thief, when Percy is reunited with Sally and Gabe, Sally FLINCHED when Gabe raised his hand at her. We see the effects Gabe's abuse has on Sally so that's another point against you. And Nico's coming out scene with Jason and Cupid. Cupid FORCED Nico too. A god, a LOVE GOD at that is forcing Nico to out himself. Not any of Nico's friends. The point of that scene is SUPPOSED to be unsafe. It's not supposed to be enjoyable for the reader and any of the characters involved save for Cupid. And clearly it made you uncomfortable. You are entitled to your opinion but these characters have gone through stuff most of us CAN'T even imagine, so yeah, their love languages are going to be different than most. It's not just Riordan's "shitty" writing, as you say

Why Percabeth Isn’t a Good Ship (Sorry 2x) I’m definitely getting cancelled- 1. Annabeth is physically abusive. The fandom makes this point seem controversial and debatable, but it’s really not. The definition of abuse is hitting someone. Annabeth hit Percy. Therefore, Annabeth abused Percy. Is that really that hard to understand? Annabeth hit Percy for the first time in The Titan’s Curse when she, Percy, and Thalia were looking for the di Angelo siblings. She punched him in the gut when he asked her who he should ask to dance with him. Annabeth knows that Percy can be oblivious at times...but punishes him when it benefits her? The second time was in The Mark of Athena, when she judo-flipped him because she missed him. That’s...what?? Usually when people are worried about someone else, they hug or kiss them, not flip them over their shoulder. And yes Annabeth kissed him first, but the judo-flip was completely unnecessary. Annabeth punished Percy for ‘leaving’ her despite him being kidnapped and his memory wiped. And everyone’s like ‘But Percy didn’t feel any pain!!11!!1!’ The chapter wasn’t in his point of view, so that claim is a guess. Just cause he didn’t say ‘Ow’ doesn’t mean he wasn’t in pain. Also- Annabeth slammed him on a stone pavement on his back. That definitely hurts, even if Percy is a demigod, physically strong, and has gotten hurt a lot. There’s a difference between ‘playful hitting’ and actually hurting someone. Yes they trained a lot, but this isn’t training. This is Annabeth punishing Percy for being traumatized with yet another life-threatening quest and being kidnapped. I don’t remember Percy judo-flipping Annabeth after he saw her again when she got kidnapped in TTC. Besides, the Romans were about to take out their weapons when they saw Annabeth attack Percy, so if all of them thought it was an attack...it was most likely an attack. Even Annabeth said herself “I only attack my boyfriend like that”. The thing is, if it was Percy who flipped Annabeth over his shoulder and slammed her on her back or punched her in the gut, all the fans immediately would’ve freaked out and cancelled him, calling him a horrible and abusive boyfriend, but because it’s the girl hitting the guy, it’s fine apparently. Nothing wrong with it, right? And then Riordan (and the fandom) had the audacity to romanticize that abuse. Abuse isn’t a sweet, romantic gesture. Stop making it seem like it is. That’s disgusting. 2. Annabeth is also verbally abusive and toxic. Annabeth canonically lowered Percy’s self-esteem, constantly insulted him and his intelligence despite knowing he was insecure about it and always getting kicked out of schools and getting bad grades (even with her so-called ‘endearing’ name for him ‘Seaweed Brain’), and the overall idea of Percabeth is a super smart, pretty girl making a guy with below average intelligence feel insecure about himself. Percy’s self-esteem has plummeted since he met Annabeth and her behavior is never called out or even noticed, which implies some manipulation going on. Annabeth is shown to be extremely capable of manipulating her enemies and anyone else she pleases, and there are quite a few signs she’s using it against Percy (his feelings of obligation, fear, and guilt of and over her, questioning himself, having strings attached, always only thinking of her and no one else in his life, etc.), especially since Percy begins to gradually stop noticing Annabeth’s wrong and toxic behavior as the story progresses. 3. Annabeth only likes Percy cause he’s the chosen one. Annabeth only hung around Percy since The Lightning Thief cause she thought he was ‘the one’ and so she could finally go on a quest. She literally used Percy to go out to the mortal world and ‘prove herself’ cause really, all she cares about is glory, which is shown multiple times throughout the series with all her pride and ambitions. Plus the fact that Chiron made Annabeth swear on the River Styx that she would keep Percy from danger is a pretty clear sign she didn’t stick around him just cause she wanted to, but because she felt obligated to and cause it would benefit her. Take all of this and it’s kind of obvious Annabeth only hung around Percy cause he was the chosen one of the prophecy, a son of one of the Big Three, and was destined to go on multiple quests and play a big part in the mythological world, which is what she always wanted since book one. 4. It was forced. Since the beginning of book one, it was so obvious that Percy and Annabeth were going to get together that their relationship ended up being boring, dull, and flat. Riordan made it so obvious they were going to be a couple that nothing that happened to their relationship really mattered, cause everyone knew it would work out in the end (which is probably why everyone wrongly hated on Rachel) so what happened in between didn’t matter. Their relationship was the typical ‘male lead and female lead’, ‘bad boy trouble-maker skater and nerdy good girl’ power couple that was way too clear. And Riordan made it worse by pushing their relationship and shoving it into the readers’ faces way too much. In MoA Annabeth states that she’s always had a crush on Percy (since they were twelve) which immediately rips all the development their relationship (which was supposedly ‘friends to lovers’, but not anymore) had away. Riordan made up a bunch of honestly dumb scenarios that were legit cringe to make Percabeth seem like ‘OTP’ that really didn’t make sense. 5. It ruined their characters. Percy and Annabeth would’ve been way better off as just friends. After they got together in HoO, all their personality and everything else that made them independent was destroyed to make room for more ‘Percabeth’. All of Annabeth’s skills, bravery, intelligence, pride, ferocity, judgmentalism, and all the other traits and flaws that made her a well-written character were never utilized or even mentioned. All she thought about was Percy, and the same goes for him. His loyalty, sarcasm, humor, obliviousness, etc. disappeared to make room for arrogant Annabeth fanboy. In PJO, they were amazingly well-written and great role models for younger readers (especially Annabeth), but in HoO their characters were exclusively ‘Annabeth’s boyfriend’ and ‘Percy’s girlfriend’. Their characters were completely dependent on each other, and they were way better off as just friends. 6. Annabeth is way too possessive. And creepy. It’s fine and honestly normal for people to get jealous when another person likes someone they do, but Annabeth’s jealousy was downright creepy. Not only did she not know if her feelings for Percy were reciprocated or not, but she also didn’t know if Percy and Rachel liked each other, either. The very first time she met Rachel she immediately hated her. That’s not ‘I’m jealous cause this girl likes the guy I do’, that’s ‘I’m jealous cause the guy I like has another female friend’. She had no reason to believe that Rachel and Percy liked each other and has no say in who they can like, either. She thought that she and Percy absolutely had to be in a relationship and that he couldn’t even have friends with different genitals than him. And remember when Annabeth literally stalked Percy in The Sea of Monsters? Like when she creeped by his window, constantly watched him, and kept tabs on him just cause she ‘couldn’t find the right time’ to tell him something cause he was ‘never alone’ despite him being alone multiple times and despite the fact that she literally could’ve just knocked on his door like a normal person instead of creeping around his cabin and staring at him through the windows? Again- switch the roles. If it was Percy who was stalking Annabeth, everyone would’ve immediately called him a creep. If- according to Tumblr and almost everyone who read Twilight- Edward is a creep for stalking Bella, then Annabeth is a creep for stalking Percy.

Oh abuse is funny,now? the "playful boy and tsundere girl that hits him" is so funny. Stfu

agree with you 100%, percabeth in my opinion is beautiful and if you are right in everything in the judo flip Annabeth was feeling many emotions, happiness for seeing Percy and knowing that he can with him but at the same time sadness and concern that Percy has changed among other things and is also feeling other emotions (anger, calm etc), the seaweed brain Annabeth was joking at the beginning but in the end it remained as an affectionate and funny nickname from Annabeth for example to my younger brother he said muggle as a loving and funny nickname and well It was left as a nickname in the dance there if I don't remember which one you are talking about if the Titan's curse and I don't remember what happened jsjs I'm going to reread that part so I can't tell you my opinion Like sewer's, I don't remember very well which one you are talking about, sorry, I'm very forgetful, but you're right

The judo flip made my whole night when I read it for the first time this morning

just because she's mad odesn't excuse her actions though, she was pissed off at him that he got kidnapped, she knew he got kidnapped yet she was pissed off, also she has jealousy issues, whenever a girl is within a one mile radius of him she assumes the worse.

i hope someone sees this because i am very confused? what is the sewer u are talking about? pls help me out❤️

@@rev0568No, it's she gets immediately jealous of the girls and doesn't even direct her anger towards Percy and becomes suspicious of them immediately

Is that a trade mark, with full patent, on Affectionate Judo flip?

@@dylantennant6594 It’s patent pending.

@@Unclaimeddemigod ohhh....thanks for clearing that up.....it’s weird seeing people have such negative interpretations of annabeth’s gestures though, to me they just look like evidence that she had a crush on Percy.

I was just coming to comment that Percy would be able to tell the difference between playful roughhousing and actual physical abuse due to his past experiences of being abused by Smelly Gabe and recognizing the signs of abuse to another when he saw his mom flinch! I’m glad someone else thought of this as well! And Percy has a bit of a defensive temper in the books too so if he felt it was abuse or unjustifiably too rough then he would definitely react and wouldn’t be hesitant or shy about it!

Fax

gabe and sallys relationship isnt the only kind of toxic relationship? you cant say a relationship isnt toxic because its not as bad as gabe and sally , that in itself is toxic

@@lima7_bean668 yes. half a year and my understanding has deepened. i do not mean it that way. of course, toxic relationships can come in all forms.

there is other types of toxic

@@livelaughlovelev i've acknowleged that. see my reply to a previous comment?

It was definitely a mistke of her, but that is not what I would call toxic. She is jealous. Yes, she definitely should not do this, and she knows it and admits it (if my memories are right). So, she didn't have the best way to act, but that was not really toxic to me. Proof is that Rachel and her became good friends afterward

THANK YOU, I do agree that's toxic, but it also is in character and I think she grows out of it which is good, but that jealousy and possessiveness (while makes tons of sense for someone with that level of abandonment issues like Annabeth) just ain't healthy.

Yeah but both were downright flirting with him, so it was just petty-jealousy

Idk I think that’s kinda a reach. Only silena and drew fall into that first category, and the only one I can think of that follow the second is annabeth. Not trying to be antagonistic, but I’m confused as to where this “Rick isn’t the best at writing female characters” comes from. Sadie might be my favorite protagonist after Percy, Sally is iconic and most of the other notable female characters differ from the two archetypes you mentioned. But maybe my perspective is just different because I’m a dude (and I’m not saying he writes PERFECT female characters, but their have been plenty of lacking male characters too so 🤷🏿‍♂️)

@@alphathegreat9458 i mean you have good points, but think about it. piper is kinda like rachel, sally could fall in the second. her and annabeth are kinda alike. and i personally havent read kane khronicles so idk sadie. but most of the girl that i know in rick's books are really similar to others. also clarisse and katie.

@@kenzieallen_ hmm idk. Piper is the “I’m not like other girls” character, and while I could see how Rachael also comes across that way, I see her more as a “I’m not like other people” character. She doesn’t really focus on not being like other girls, or people for that matter, she’s just a unique person. It never came across like she was trying to act a certain way (like piper definitely is), more so like that just who she is as a person. And I’m completely loss as to how sally is into fighting, and she’s not that sarcastic either. I guess you can say she’s tough, but that’s so vague you can use it to describe anyone. She did handle herself pretty well against Gabe though, so I’ll give you that, but i don’t think that’s good enough to say she fits. I honestly don’t remember that much about Katie Gardner but i don’t remember her having anything in common with Clarisse. IMO clarisse has the best arc of any female character, and is arguably the most well written one though so I might be biased.

@@alphathegreat9458 Yeah I honestly cannot see why people are suddenly saying he doesn't write female characters well. I'm a guy too but to me all characters are equally developed and nothing really stands out that makes me think "That's not how girls think/work/act". Also keeping in mind that these are middle grade books we are talking about, it's kinda hard to be super in depth about the psyche of someone when you have to do it to a certain audience. Plus his books always have that lighthearted comedic tone that lends itself to caricatures for ALL characters to some extent.

@@e443productions9 imo I think this recent train of thought is because the two most notable female characters in the two most popular series, Annabeth and Piper, are two of the most archetypical characters in the books, as opposed to most of the other female characters who are more relatively nuanced but lack the exposure of the other two.

@Coffee1864 1864 I completely agree with you. I respect other’s opinions but I personally don’t understand how Annabeth is abusive. And this is a children’s book. The evidence shown doesn’t really prove anything from my perspective at least and as for the judo flip scene even though I wouldn’t have reacted the same way Annabeth did I never saw it as abusive. People need to cut Annabeth some slack she’s literally a teenager. Nobody is perfect not even her and she would obviously never want to hurt Percy. I love Percabeth even if it isn’t my favourite ship and it saddens me that some would view there completely normal relationship as toxic

@@Unclaimeddemigod probably a good idea 😂

Its alright, she’s not that abusive.

Hey Percy I hope you’re usage of the internet hasn’t attracted too many monsters

@@buggymah nah Leo made us phones that cant be tracked by monsters.

Oh good

hahaha, that would have been true in High School but I have 3 whole friends now!

@@Unclaimeddemigod nice!

@@Unclaimeddemigod how old are you?

@@Unclaimeddemigod oh ye

@@Unclaimeddemigod I would have caught it the first time if I didn't get distracted

Excuse me, how was Sileana’s death my fault!? And I didn’t abandon camp! I was hanging out with my friend on the first day of summer! (Not my fault she kissed me either)

@Dark__ Wolf Yes it is. Percy has an insulting nickname too, but he never gets called out in it. Annabeth has an insulting nickname and she gets called out on it. It's the literal definition of a double standard.

@@percyjackson9336 You hung out with Rachel most every day that summer. TLO takes place in August, not June. If you were at camp, Clarisse would've joined the war, and Silena would still be alive.

@@Unclaimeddemigod True

@@catherineturk3819 No, I went to camp.

ye because if they did people would have flagged it instantly and there would have been a whole abuse thing

Same I don’t really like Annabeth she’s a bit rude-

I ship Percabeth but I kinda agree

@@strwberry_xoxo Wrong

I totaly agree

yeaaaaaaaaaaah no they're my otp

@@Unclaimeddemigod I did not think you would reply, but you are literally my favorite youtuber EVER! I am obsessed with percabeth.

i agree , he could have laughed in fear of looking weak , reactions arent always how a person is felling , like how somw people laugh when in pain , you cant say its not toxic cause of how he reacts , in the end shes still hurting him on purpose

7. It’s mostly fan love. Honestly, the fandom is the only thing that fuels Percabeth. Riordan just destroys it. He shoved it down the readers’ throats, forced it way too much with really dumb and honestly unrealistic scenarios, and made it abusive and toxic. On its own, Percabeth freaking sucks. The fandom’s version of Percabeth is 1000x better than whatever the hell Riordan was doing, but even that version is toxic. Like, I’ve seen way too many jokes about Annabeth hitting Percy (as if abuse is hilarious and amazing meme fuel and not an extremely sensitive topic that triggers multiple people who actually went through it). Half the time, the fandom fixes Percabeth and the other half of the time they over-glorify and ruin it. The fandom over exaggerates and over glorifies it way too much. It’s not that great of a relationship, to be honest. Most of y’all only like it in the first place cause Riordan made it canon. 8. It was cringey. Like I said above, Riordan wrote some really dumb scenes for Percabeth. I mean- the matching gray streaks in their hair despite Atlas and Artemis not getting any? Percy’s tie to the mortal world while bathing in the River Styx being Annabeth and not his mom, Grover, etc.? Percy only remembering Annabeth, the girl he’s only known for four years and not his mom, the only woman who actually cared for and took care of him or Grover, his best friend who protected and continuously cared about him? Percy turning down immortality only for Annabeth and not even bothering to mention the pain of leaving behind his life, friends, family, memories, etc. behind if he accepted it? The romanticized judo-flip? The whole ‘dark-haired rebellious bad boy/nerdy blonde good girl who can be bad’ trope? Even the boring predictability of Percabeth is cringe. 9. It’s a bad influence on younger readers. Basically the lesson of Percabeth is ‘Once you get a love interest nothing else in your life matters’. Besides that one single scene that took like three lines in The Son of Neptune, Percy never even thought of his own mom, nor did he think about any of his friends or passed allies like his dad, Rachel, Grover, Paul, Silena, Luke, Ethan, Bob/Iapetus, Tyson, Calypso, Charles, Michael (whose death he accidentally caused), Bianca, Zoë, etc. Even when in Tartarus with the curse of the Arai being forced to remember all the people he forgot and feeling guilty about abandoning Bob and Calypso, all he thought about was Annabeth. Even when faced with the man who broke the heart of the girl who sacrificed herself for him, Percy didn’t even think of her, only his jealousy of Jason. Same thing with Annabeth. She never thought about her mom, Luke, Thalia, her step-mom or step-brothers, etc. It was all about Percy. Cause yes, Riordan, that’s exactly the lesson you should teach your younger readers- forget everyone you ever knew the moment you get a partner. Besides that, it also teaches readers that being rude to people who like the same person as you is completely okay cause no one will care and once you start being rude, bitter, and possessive you’ll get exactly what you want (that’s literally what happened, with Annabeth and with Calypso, too). He also teaches that after you get a partner, everything that makes you you will disappear and you’ll be completely dependent on them and nothing in your life will matter, even your own independent life and personality. 10. The fandom tries to excuse and explain Annabeth’s behavior??? What??? Since when does explaining and excusing hitting people put you in the right again? And the excuses aren’t even good, too! Percabeth fans use- Annabeth was full of emotions/mad and doesn’t know how to deal with emotions. Annabeth really loved Percy. It was only one time. Annabeth was worried about Percy and mad that she left him. Annabeth didn’t mean to hurt him. Annabeth didn’t know what she was doing cause she was full of emotions. ??? Annabeth was full of emotions/mad and doesn’t know how to deal with emotions- Annabeth was seventeen years old, the daughter of the wisdom goddess, and is supposedly the smartest character in the series who is shown to be extremely good at reading people and their emotions. And y’all are really trying to say she doesn’t know how to deal with her emotions? Annabeth really loved Percy- SO? A mother might really love her child, does that excuse her for hitting them for dumb reasons? It was only one time- actually, it was twice, and so what? If someone was slapped across the face ‘only one time’, does that mean they weren’t abused? ‘Abuse’ doesn’t mean ‘hit constantly’, it means ‘hit’. If someone was hit, they were abused. Is that really not a known fact in this fandom? Annabeth was worried about Percy and mad that she left him- last time I checked, people didn’t hit others when they were worried about them. If I was worried that my friend was going to get hurt, I wouldn’t hurt them myself. That literally makes no sense. And again- Percy didn’t leave Annabeth. He was kidnapped. Do y’all not know the definition of that, either? Annabeth didn’t mean to hurt him- yes, cause that’s why she decided to flip him over her shoulder, slam him on a stone pavement on his back, and punish him for ‘leaving her’. Annabeth didn’t know what she was doing cause she was full of emotions- Annabeth??? the daughter of the wisdom goddess??? not knowing what she’s doing??? huh??? I mean, would any of you really, legitimately try to use any of these dumb excuses to excuse a man from hitting his wife? Hopefully not. And if you did, you would immediately get hated on and legit cancelled. So what makes this any different? Also- I see the excuse ‘Annabeth didn’t know Percy lost his Achilles Heel and thought he was still invincible’. Under different circumstances I’d accept that, but Annabeth knew that Percy’s Achilles Heel was on the small of his back...BUT SHE SLAMMED HIM ON HIS BACK. If Percy hadn’t lost the Achilles Heel, Annabeth literally would’ve killed him. Abusive enough for y’all? Or is attempted murder excusable and still ‘OTP’? 11. They had no chemistry whatsoever. Was I the only one who felt...absolutely no chemistry between Percy and Annabeth? Like some of their moments were cute, their friendship was really good, and they had a lot of potential, but they didn’t feel right for each other. Remember- opposites don’t attract (they just argue, and no one has ‘another half’ that needs to ‘complete them’, everyone is their own person), they cancel each other out. I mean, Reyna and Annabeth had more chemistry in that one chapter of the New Rome tour in MoA than Percy and Annabeth had in 12+ books. They’re just...not right for each other, I guess.

Same thing happened when Thalia called him that

@@Unclaimeddemigod true! Thanks for the reply :)

Why Percabeth Isn’t a Good Ship (Sorry 2x) I’m definitely getting cancelled- 1. Annabeth is physically abusive. The fandom makes this point seem controversial and debatable, but it’s really not. The definition of abuse is hitting someone. Annabeth hit Percy. Therefore, Annabeth abused Percy. Is that really that hard to understand? Annabeth hit Percy for the first time in The Titan’s Curse when she, Percy, and Thalia were looking for the di Angelo siblings. She punched him in the gut when he asked her who he should ask to dance with him. Annabeth knows that Percy can be oblivious at times...but punishes him when it benefits her? The second time was in The Mark of Athena, when she judo-flipped him because she missed him. That’s...what?? Usually when people are worried about someone else, they hug or kiss them, not flip them over their shoulder. And yes Annabeth kissed him first, but the judo-flip was completely unnecessary. Annabeth punished Percy for ‘leaving’ her despite him being kidnapped and his memory wiped. And everyone’s like ‘But Percy didn’t feel any pain!!11!!1!’ The chapter wasn’t in his point of view, so that claim is a guess. Just cause he didn’t say ‘Ow’ doesn’t mean he wasn’t in pain. Also- Annabeth slammed him on a stone pavement on his back. That definitely hurts, even if Percy is a demigod, physically strong, and has gotten hurt a lot. There’s a difference between ‘playful hitting’ and actually hurting someone. Yes they trained a lot, but this isn’t training. This is Annabeth punishing Percy for being traumatized with yet another life-threatening quest and being kidnapped. I don’t remember Percy judo-flipping Annabeth after he saw her again when she got kidnapped in TTC. Besides, the Romans were about to take out their weapons when they saw Annabeth attack Percy, so if all of them thought it was an attack...it was most likely an attack. Even Annabeth said herself “I only attack my boyfriend like that”. The thing is, if it was Percy who flipped Annabeth over his shoulder and slammed her on her back or punched her in the gut, all the fans immediately would’ve freaked out and cancelled him, calling him a horrible and abusive boyfriend, but because it’s the girl hitting the guy, it’s fine apparently. Nothing wrong with it, right? And then Riordan (and the fandom) had the audacity to romanticize that abuse. Abuse isn’t a sweet, romantic gesture. Stop making it seem like it is. That’s disgusting. 2. Annabeth is also verbally abusive and toxic. Annabeth canonically lowered Percy’s self-esteem, constantly insulted him and his intelligence despite knowing he was insecure about it and always getting kicked out of schools and getting bad grades (even with her so-called ‘endearing’ name for him ‘Seaweed Brain’), and the overall idea of Percabeth is a super smart, pretty girl making a guy with below average intelligence feel insecure about himself. Percy’s self-esteem has plummeted since he met Annabeth and her behavior is never called out or even noticed, which implies some manipulation going on. Annabeth is shown to be extremely capable of manipulating her enemies and anyone else she pleases, and there are quite a few signs she’s using it against Percy (his feelings of obligation, fear, and guilt of and over her, questioning himself, having strings attached, always only thinking of her and no one else in his life, etc.), especially since Percy begins to gradually stop noticing Annabeth’s wrong and toxic behavior as the story progresses. 3. Annabeth only likes Percy cause he’s the chosen one. Annabeth only hung around Percy since The Lightning Thief cause she thought he was ‘the one’ and so she could finally go on a quest. She literally used Percy to go out to the mortal world and ‘prove herself’ cause really, all she cares about is glory, which is shown multiple times throughout the series with all her pride and ambitions. Plus the fact that Chiron made Annabeth swear on the River Styx that she would keep Percy from danger is a pretty clear sign she didn’t stick around him just cause she wanted to, but because she felt obligated to and cause it would benefit her. Take all of this and it’s kind of obvious Annabeth only hung around Percy cause he was the chosen one of the prophecy, a son of one of the Big Three, and was destined to go on multiple quests and play a big part in the mythological world, which is what she always wanted since book one. 4. It was forced. Since the beginning of book one, it was so obvious that Percy and Annabeth were going to get together that their relationship ended up being boring, dull, and flat. Riordan made it so obvious they were going to be a couple that nothing that happened to their relationship really mattered, cause everyone knew it would work out in the end (which is probably why everyone wrongly hated on Rachel) so what happened in between didn’t matter. Their relationship was the typical ‘male lead and female lead’, ‘bad boy trouble-maker skater and nerdy good girl’ power couple that was way too clear. And Riordan made it worse by pushing their relationship and shoving it into the readers’ faces way too much. In MoA Annabeth states that she’s always had a crush on Percy (since they were twelve) which immediately rips all the development their relationship (which was supposedly ‘friends to lovers’, but not anymore) had away. Riordan made up a bunch of honestly dumb scenarios that were legit cringe to make Percabeth seem like ‘OTP’ that really didn’t make sense. 5. It ruined their characters. Percy and Annabeth would’ve been way better off as just friends. After they got together in HoO, all their personality and everything else that made them independent was destroyed to make room for more ‘Percabeth’. All of Annabeth’s skills, bravery, intelligence, pride, ferocity, judgmentalism, and all the other traits and flaws that made her a well-written character were never utilized or even mentioned. All she thought about was Percy, and the same goes for him. His loyalty, sarcasm, humor, obliviousness, etc. disappeared to make room for arrogant Annabeth fanboy. In PJO, they were amazingly well-written and great role models for younger readers (especially Annabeth), but in HoO their characters were exclusively ‘Annabeth’s boyfriend’ and ‘Percy’s girlfriend’. Their characters were completely dependent on each other, and they were way better off as just friends. 6. Annabeth is way too possessive. And creepy. It’s fine and honestly normal for people to get jealous when another person likes someone they do, but Annabeth’s jealousy was downright creepy. Not only did she not know if her feelings for Percy were reciprocated or not, but she also didn’t know if Percy and Rachel liked each other, either. The very first time she met Rachel she immediately hated her. That’s not ‘I’m jealous cause this girl likes the guy I do’, that’s ‘I’m jealous cause the guy I like has another female friend’. She had no reason to believe that Rachel and Percy liked each other and has no say in who they can like, either. She thought that she and Percy absolutely had to be in a relationship and that he couldn’t even have friends with different genitals than him. And remember when Annabeth literally stalked Percy in The Sea of Monsters? Like when she creeped by his window, constantly watched him, and kept tabs on him just cause she ‘couldn’t find the right time’ to tell him something cause he was ‘never alone’ despite him being alone multiple times and despite the fact that she literally could’ve just knocked on his door like a normal person instead of creeping around his cabin and staring at him through the windows? Again- switch the roles. If it was Percy who was stalking Annabeth, everyone would’ve immediately called him a creep. If- according to Tumblr and almost everyone who read Twilight- Edward is a creep for stalking Bella, then Annabeth is a creep for stalking Percy.

@@-._.-What-Is-Up-._.- With all due respect I disagree. I don't think she's abusive. I already said my part of the argument and I don't have the energy to go on about how she isn't abusive. This video also described perfectly why she isn't abusive. You're right. It isn't a debate. She's not abusive. She's got flaws but calling her s a stretch. You will never change my mind. Sorry I couldn't change yours.

I'm happy I didn't then :)

The judo flip thing was largely playful one, and Percy probably expected it, and their relationship was already really string before Tartarus Tbh if my gf judo-flipped me after being apart for so long, I would probably think that I have found a loving gf. I wouldn't resent her and most likely it would be playful one, as it was here. It wasn't really abuse, and Annabeth had a lot of emotions at this time.

100% agree. I loved them as friends

i think frazel could be better as friends cause everyone was dating and its like oh opposite sex can be friends

@@Unclaimeddemigod true

my thoughts exactly , perce may have laughed but that doesnt mean annabeth had the right to flip him , even in joking becuase its not a 'oh ill hold back my strength' its gonna hurt no matter wat

@@lima7_bean668 yeah on concrete the only thing landing right does for you is instead of breaking your skull you just have back pain for a few months

In Annabeth's defense, there's no way she could have known that Percy gave up the Achille's curse and could still be hurt by that.

@@waffleweirdo1252 yeah I’m just giving you the real prepective of what it’s like for someone that trains and actually gets flipped, but in the context of the book yeah that makes sense

i feel like they have been through too much to break up