I am a programmer and big gaming fan, but after having trouble with my wrist in college, I built my own dactyl manuform split boards and it really helped me a lot. I also highly recommend doing some wrist and finger stretches before and after each day of typing.
Thanks a lot for those kind words 😊 We try to make as many of these as we can, but they take a lot more time than they seem to make. But for sure we'll come back with more of those if they are such a blast 😉
I actually immediately disregarded Dygma Raise when I saw no tenting on it (Lmao raise can't raise). That gives some hope. But I'm not sure if it's that easy to raise it, without changing the wristrest.
I'm actually a big fan of your competitors products (ZSA) but I must say that your personality, your style and your attitude have really won me over. Your videos manage to make something as dry as ergonomics quite fun and engaging!
you prolly dont care but if you guys are stoned like me atm then you can watch pretty much all the latest series on InstaFlixxer. Have been streaming with my gf these days :)
i would get a moonlander over this if it had the same thumb layout and you could seamlessly connect the middle. I actually have no interest in ergonomics, these keyboards have other features im into. lol
I'm actually glad it's not Ortho linear.. I've spent a year trying to retrain my right hand for a 1.75 shift instead of a 2.75 and failed.. I can't imagine trying to relearn ortholinear after 30 years plus. But to each their own.
@@Turvok your issue is you use right shift home row users are the actual plague of the internet, we wouldnt need ortho or split if no one used the home row
@@Turvok I don't know if this would be worse or better for you, but have you tried auto-shift if you have access to that on the firmware you use? Basically you hold a letter key down a bit longer to get the shifted version instead of needing the shift key.
You've really become excellent at making these videos. Perfect balance without the silly stuff (which is executed really good by now) and information. Lots of love for you all at Dygma!
What I don't understand is if there has been research done suggesting a 45 degree angle of tenting helps relieve the most stress, why is it so hard to find tenting kits or peripherals that typically only go to around 15 degrees max? Even Kinesis' tenting kit is only 15 degrees and the only thing besides this video I've been able to find is placing a Moonlander or split keyboard on a beanie to get enough tilt. And of course this tenting kit is limited in supply and requires a waiting list. I'd be interested in what other people have done for solutions that worked for tenting beyond the 15 degrees offered by most tenting kits - i.e. setting up a keyboard with a 45 to 70 degree tent.
When I was using computers in the 90s, I though everyone would be using ergonomic keyboards by the 2000s, and here we are in 2021 ... Honestly, the thing that I think hurt ergonomic keyboards is just that they cost more. Businesses could either pay $60 per employee, or they could use the keyboard that came in the box with the computer.
Tenting is also the term used for the process by which the vagina stretches to prepare itself for penetration!! So listening to this video is extra weird for me knowing this, so I must share this and now you all must suffer with me.
This is an awesome keyboard. As a programmer I'm not ready to give up my function keys and the arrows. The split of the space bar is a great idea. If someday you will make one with function kyes, arrow keys and a tending keyboard by default I will buy by it with closed eyes, even if the price is higher. It is nice to see an european company make a such nice keyboard
Funny you mentioned not having the arrow keys and fkeys because we just published a video yesterday explaining why it's better to not have those physical keys present. You can watch it here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kkXt6ddbmSw.html It might be interesting for you! We will only do 60% keyboards. The reason behind it is that you can create multiple layers and easily switch between them instantly. Every key in every layer can be remapped and can be configured as a macro. You won’t need to leave your home row! This way, you can be more efficient when typing and gaming. You’ll have a compact keyboard with the same and even more functionalities of a full-size one 😊 But having the tenting available is something we're working hard to accomplish! :)
I'm a programmer and I love the dygma raise. The beauty about it is that you can have layers that make it easy to access function row keys and the arrow keys without ever moving your fingers away from the home row. I'm also a vim enthusiast so keeping my fingers on the home row is something I unnecessarily obsess over.
If you are a programmer and use the arrow keys and function keys in the first place even if you have them, then you are horribly inefficient. Look into vim for an example.
Putting aside the question of vim, in any decent IDE it is easy to change the hotkeys (even Chrome devtools you can change if you enable the experimental feature). IMO, hotkeys involving the function keys aren't great anyway since you can't usually touch-type them and have to stretch your hands way out to reach them. If they're shortcuts you use on a regular basis, I think it is worth considering remapping them anyway.
We actually did create an ortholinear version but it didn't get as much traction as we wanted, esp for a first product. So we decided to develop the Raise keyboard instead. We talk all about it here in this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YiSaSaJp9RE.html
For a product called "raise" it's insane that it didn't have a tilt or tenting feature with it. Even more insane is the expense one needs to add to an already expensive keyboard. I love my dygma but the added cost and limited availability of the very thing needed to actually give any "raise" to the keyboard is very anti-consumer.
We know that might sound strange, but when we first launched the Raise we did not had such a big demand for tenting. Don't worry, that's amistake we're not going to make again 😉
Uhmm if your chair is lower than your table top, but your chair sits right, you need a LOWER TABLE, not a higher chair. I find most desks are too high (and I'm 1m95)
this stuff is no joke. i lost the ability to move my right hand for about 6 months. trust me... you DO NOT want to use a mouse left handed.... at work... for 6 months. you don't have to buy anything special, but just be aware of it, take breaks and don't leave your hand/wrist in an awkward position for any period of time.
Wait a second. You're only making 500 tenting kits, but you already have 1000 people signed up on the tenting kit waiting list? Isn't that a shortage waiting to happen? Not that we're not used to this with the current PC component shortages, but...
Yeah, we actually didn't expect this many people interested in ordering one 😅We're just making 500 units for now for the first batch. And even if 1000 people signed up, it doesn't necessarily mean they're all going to get one... or would they? 🤔
Splitting and tenting is only half the truth for ergonomic typing. Also ortholinear or vertically staggered keys, a more ergonomic layout like Colemak and even smaller keyboards with less keys for less finger travel helps to get a better typing experience. I personally use a split vertically staggered keyboard with a 34 key layout. Even if the keyboard has more keys the 34 key layout is still available and the other keys are just for convenience.
We totally agree, that's why our keyboard is fully programable too and has plenty of thumbkeys (so you can use layers comfortably and reduce finger movement). Plus, we recently announced our new columnar keyboard, the Dygma Defy 😊 dygma.com/pages/defy
That looks nice, but in my opinion too many thumb keys. I reduced my need for thumb keys to two for each side. Three is still ok, but more keys are confusing imho
Do you know of any research regarding (and/or have y'all spent any time thinking about) asymmetric pronation angles? My hands seem to like to land quite differently from each other... something like 20° (from horizontal) on one hand, and 70° on the other.
This makes sense, because we use each hand for different things and may have different strains or tensions on each. We haven't researched it, but it's definitely possible to have different angles for each side with our tenting kit 😊
Yes ortholinear keyboards are also one to look out for when it comes to ergonomics, although they have a steeper learning curve. But we did create an ortholinear keyboard prior to the Raise (the one in the video). But we saw that the demand was low so we continued with a staggered one as our first product. But we will continue to develop an ortholinear version in the future :)
We understand the concern. We know that staggered models are not optimal. But as a startaup, it was crucial for us to launch a product that would allow us to grow and develop more niche models. We have a piece of content on the matter "If the Dygma Raise is an ergonomic keyboard, why isn't it ortholinear?" Dominique explains it much better there. Since the Raise, we've developed a model with a columnar layout, and we intend to to many more amazing things 🙂
Not really. The Dactyl already has the shaped design and the small legs for the tenting effect. However, we're no experts on the Dactyl, so take this with a pinch of salt 😁
It isn't out yet, but the kickstarter for the Glove 80 board is supposed to happen some time this month. Has keywells, adjustable tenting, and is wireless.
Waiting for tenting kit to be available for order so I can order the whole set together. Also your video swayed me towards your brand compared to moonlander
I'm working a lot, and previous year my right wrist started to hurt. I bought a vertical mouse, and now I just cant use regular ones. And now my left wrist starts to hurt. So, since I DIY is my hobby, I ordered keyboard parts to make my custom ergonomic ortholinear keeb. Cant wait when it will arrive. People, we really should embrace ergonomics, and forget about all of this skeuomorphic crap as soon as possible.
Do you mean the pink one? I don't recall the model and the mouse is not around the office anymore, sorry. Still, just find look for "vertical mouse" on google or amazon and you'll fin very similar models for reasonable prices
Thanks a lot for the suggestion! We got the same input from other Dygmates and it's something we'd really want to look into, maybe not for this but for the upcoming models. There's room for improvement in that regards ☺
That would only happen if you're using all the keys on both sides of your keyboard for gaming. If you use layer shifting, you can have all those keys on just one side 😉
Thanks a lot 😊😊 We try to expand our gospel and we really need to make it palatable for people. We get enough weird faces when we eexplain our jobs to normies with a one-piece keyboard!
Well, for now I just put left and right keyboards on the edge of my laptop so it's tilted a bit. And instead of mouse I use touchpad. But I guess it would be good to be able to finally raise the Raise :)
Nice trick! Remember though, ideally your monitor should be eye level so you don't slouch or hurt your neck ☺ so once you've raised your laptop, you can then raise your Raise ;)
@@DygmaLab yeah that's a huge thing for me, I had neck pain for a while and I looked up reasons why and learned that you should keep the middle of your monitor at eye level so I adjusted my monitor height and the pain went away almost immediately.
You have the palm pads that you can choose to use on the aluminum wrist rests or not, to adjust the angle of your wrists. You could even look for thicker palm pads if you need more negative tilting for your wrists!
What we'll do with the list is that we'll send everyone in that list the first newsletter announcing the availability of the Tenting Kit. So it doesn't matter if you signed up today or a month ago :)
My chair goes under my desk, but with my postural issues it feels necessary or I absolutely will lean forward and hunch onto the desk. I probably need a different chair, even though this one was expensive and an improvement. The desk is a bit high, still. Can you share the research you're alluding to about the height of the deak and chair in relation to each other?
If you can adjust the chair, try different postures and placements of the keyboard, you can test different distances to the edge of the table. Also, you can adjust the height of the monitor with a book, which will allow to test different chair heights. As for the research, this website specializes in these questions, take a look and see if they can help 😊 1-hp.org/blog/author/caitlin-mcgee/
Hi, Well, in that case, probably the best solution would be using a trackball or some other inmobile device that requires less state. Still, once you get used to the tenting, you can keep using the mouse in the middle. With high DPI, it does not take that much space.