Is the 40 MPH Apollo Pro Actually Worth $4000? 

My biggest issue with it is actually not even speed/accel as 44mph is more than enough, but for that price, it really should have bigger battery.

A lot of people are calling this a 4k piece of junk, but here is what you may be missing. -A great Indiegogo promo for $ off and bonus perks for first 300 backers (still available) for a tool bag, 4 amp charger, and 6 months of sim card theft protection, -Larger circumference wheels have better high speed and coasting performance. Takes less energy to maintain top speed, will maintain kinetic energy longer than smaller wheels. Cons are more inefficient at constant stop starts, and harder to stop. Adds a pro, more energy gained from regen braking. -Unique custom built parts that will determine the future of personally owned electric scooters. IP66 rating (wash it with a hose, darude sandstorm proof) will be Apollo's new standard. Which is rare in most high performance scooters. If there is any puddles or rain, you don't wanna risk taking a Segway or Kabo Wolf King out for a ride. Apollo Pro will still get you to work on time! Smooth city cruising will improve. -Apollo app performance monitoring. The app will know if you need to schedule for maintenance or offer to ship you replacement parts, -10000km/6200mile performance expectations. Best in class. This scooter will last you the next 5-15 years, with likely the only maintenance being tires treads, motor and battery replacements. Considering a used gas motor vehicle will cost the same, + gas +insurance +oil changes +tire rotations +tire changes seasonally +cleaning and maintenance +etc etc etc... and parts aren't likely to improve from this point either. You may be able to get a higher voltage battery, or higher amperage, or lighter weight, but for the 40-70kmh 30-45mph city demographic that will be taking this scooter home every day, it will be EXTREMELY difficult to improve upon without being EXCESSIVE. -Designed for city performance. Not too many people are utilizing the full power of a 110kmh/70mph scooter. The battery range isn't good enough, and it isn't as forgiving as a motorcycle with double the size tires. 50 km/h/35 mph is average speed limit on most city roads. Plenty enough power to get you to where you need to go add pass people you need to. Scooters aren't highway material. Stop kidding yourselves with your performance expectations. They are unreasonable. -Customization. Lock your scooter remotely with the app so it shouldn't be stolen. BRICK IT REMOTELY, aka make it useless, for anyone who does manage to take it despite that feature so they can't sell it. Acceleration and Regen braking power are adjustable. LED lighting is adjustable in brightness and colours. For turn signals, braking, and regular lighting. The PRO is all about being customized electronically, with minimum physical maintenance. Oh, but the Wolf King GT Kabo goes faster and farther. Its got double the battery voltage and 5 more amps, and 30 more pounds despite the minimal metal rod frame and IPX5 rating. X means undetermined by the way. Segway GT2 is IPX4, but 20 pounds heavier. Depending on where you live, THIS IS HUGE. Apollo is really risking it all to create the new benchmark for scooter expectations. Sure, I could understand that you don't need the blue tooth speaker and anti theft, the quad lock options, the dual 1200 motors or the mach2 controller that overclocks them to 3k each, or the fancy LED 360 lighting. But the 330lb UNIBODY frame, IP66 rating, regen braking, cruise control and handle bar directionals, DOT display from any angle or brightness, auto intuitive regen braking on handle brakes, customization for gear speeds, customization for acceleration and regen braking strength could be the new industry standard. And they will be set up with one of the best frames, stems, latches, suspensions, and bonus customization parts around for the next couple years. And the company they used to purchase their cookie cutter scooter parts from will be forced to update all of their factory specs to accommodate. If this Apollo Pro benchmark succeeds, Apollo will be able to make the cheaper versions of this scooter EXTREMELY easily. Where as everyone else will have to adapt. For example, it's like when small time beer companies in the early 1900s patented a way to can beer. It wasn't successful until the 1930s but it's popularity exploded due to lack of a deposit charge (rip), easier and safer to store and transport, and increased shelf life. It cost big time companies like Pabst and Anheuser-Busch (Labatt) a lot of money to replace their bottling lines with canning machinery. Performance improvements to be made. Cruise control should have a button press, instead of a set hold throttle time initiation. Directionals should be more similar to a motorcycle, with one finger to press left or right on one side. The brakes seem backwards, with rear wheel on the left handle and front wheel on the right handle. Especially for a Canadian company exporting to the US and Canada for the first batches. Would love to have a handle bar latch to the handle, or the front wheel to the frame, so that you can lift the back of the scooter and drag it around by the front wheel while in unlock mode. Especially useful for communal buildings with elevators, or to pull up a flight of stairs instead of lifting.

The first thing you should look at with the scooter isn’t speed or distance, it’s the manufacturer. If you’ve done some googling, you’ll notice apollo has terrible quality control and customer service to match. I really hope they step it up because they have some great ideas but it is NOT worth the hassle until they fix some stuff, trust me.

I think if you ask a thousand people that have tried the scooter, 900 will agree it's overpriced. I think it should cost the same as a Nami Klima Max.

nice work Mitchel! Like how you changed your perspective here after riding it for a couple of weeks. Apollo definitely aren't affraid to do things a little differently (ie. the drum brakes), and it sounds like they have really done their homework with this model - following your feedback.

For 4k usd you can look at Dualtrons which is built better and with a brand name that is well established

Hey Mitchel, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I think you intuitively understood what we were going after here and managed to communicate it very well! A lot of customers are turned off by the price tag - the reality is that quality costs money. There is a simple relationship between the quality of raw materials, motors/batteries/suppliers from renowned manufactures, and the end consumer price point. The Pro, due to its motor size, is also subject to 25% import duties in the US which does not help. That said, the Pro was important for us in two ways - it's by far the most ambitious product we ever launched and it paved the way for the subsequent models we will be releasing (for example, by cracking how to integrate IoT into a scooter). Secondly we are working on building up volume to lower our costs and bring the price down over time. Our goal is to ultimately offer this scooter closer to the $3,299 price point in about a year from now. Keep up the great work and look forward to involving you in more product discussions in the future!

Great review🤙🤙

We have Velity new 90 mph scooter.. excellent reviews on this Chanel relaxed and good insights..Well done..

Besides a great review, what an amazing route

Inmotion rs is much better, and dont cost 4k the market is very very big for big prices.....

I worry Apollo will poorly support the Pro as they have (in my view) the Phantom, especially since the Pro seems to double-down on things like an app and a monthly subscription. Setting the well-known QC issues with the Phantom aside, I can't help but feel burned that they promised the V3 upgrade kit only to cancel it (for the 60V model). Apollo, in my view, embodies the tech industry maxim "Move fast and break things." Problem with that is when your stem bolt isn't made of strong enough steel, that bolt is what breaks when you move fast. History shows Apollo will abandon the Pro for whatever their next scooter is, as they have abandoned Phantom owners.

I just bought a Nami KLIMA Max. The Pro was the one I really wanted and after being one of the first Adopters of the Phantom V1 Apollo Scooters could not offer me a better deal on the Pro so I went with a new brand.

Have you done a review on a wolf King gt?

great video! how do you feel about the suspension

It is super quiet. Looked to have some wobble riding but might be camera view. Too expensive, my Solar P1 was $1000, 1200w front and rear motors, 40mph, 28mph real world range. I do love the ghost and phantom for suspension, looking forward to new Explorer, I almost bought the original rear wheel drive one. Cheers for great honest review.

I daily drive a 5000€ scooter, Nami Burn E, 7kw rear wheel drive only with a Nucular 24F controller, and the usual Magura brakes and PMT tires etc, the rear motor is also watersealed and has Ferrofluid and a new temperature sensor inside, its propably already faster than like +95% of dual motor scooters, next year it needs a larger motor and a new battery, i want at least 15kw from the rear wheel...

new version Vsett10+ vs Klima ?

Can i use bike speedometer for apollo pro?

I agree with your views, with this being a "premium" scooter. But I probably won't be dropping 4000 dollars for one.

I would like to see an option for a sear on such scooters.

Is it better than Nami Klima or Max 2?

comparing to the competition? definitely not imo I personally purchased it for $3k($4000 cad, by being an early supporter) which I think is what it should be priced at, very fair but to be honest the main reason I went for it is because of the gps/alarm/remote lock(which isn't free unfortunately) peace of mind is priceless :)

Whenever you shop for a scooter the speed and range are the first things you consider. This scooter asks you to pay $4,000 but it wants you to put speed and range to the side and focus on a light show and app instead...that's a red flag to me. I don't care about fancy lights when I'm riding and trying to keep up with traffic or ride up a hill. I own the Phantom V2 60V version and it has a quad suspension, hydraulic brakes, and the same top speed so the Pro is a downgrade in 2 areas and costs more. Lastly the Talaria XXX ebike costs $2,999 and it's faster with more range and a way smoother ride

Makes sense that Apollo used drum brakes, since 99% (in my case, 100%) of braking is done with the Regen system (RBS). Drum brakes aren't aggressive, but they're low maintenance. When you have an IP66 rating, which is fantastic, the focus has to include "keep the moving parts covered". I'm 5'10" & ~200lbs and the RBS, once you learn how to use them correctly, can stop way faster than anything I've used, without locking up the wheels. Yes, a good set of hydraulics is more aggressive if you want to lock the back wheel & skid. There's a lot of competition @ the $4500 (CDN) range - with most of the offerings aimed at either offroad or top speed/aggressiveness & quite dishonest claims of range. The Pro isn't as fast as many in the price range, with the Apollo Phantom about 5 km/h slower & at less than half the price. You're buying a refined, well-tested product that isn't made to basically destroy itself or the rider. Who knows what a software update might bring - they're using 1200W per wheel, you can configure the controller to punch them a lot harder. I'd expect there'll be updates available. I haven't ridden the Pro yet, I own a '22 Ghost & a '23 Phantom though, so I've had the pleasure of using the RBS. I think what you're paying for with the Pro is the waterproofing, the 'vehicle-level' quality and what I like best - 12" puncture-resistant, self-healing tires. Changing the tires on an Apollo is a true pain in the arse. The handgrips seem to be the only thing people really dislike about it. It's not gonna be aggressive enough for some people, it might be a bit overpriced, but its true value hasn't yet been established. Let people put a few thousand km's on these things & I think riders will see some return on their investment - something like this is built to last. Exhaustive testing costs a lot of money. Bet we see cops/mailmen/security guards using these to inspect properties soon, if not already.

Do anyone know anyone who rides a Roadrunner V2 in Nevada. Legally? Thanks in advance.

I bought a dualtron thunder 3 instead. Range and performance. The lights on the dualtron are incredible to and looks so nice. This scooter is way to much money for what it offers. Example look at the punk rider pro, same design, but 1300 dollars

I'm confused with this scooter. Is the final version chrome or gray?

I agree that the Appolo is meant to be a comfort/luxury ride, but they could've at least made it 60v.

The Segway GT2 is cheaper than this Apollo Pro now and I prefer the Segway :)

Imagine if they bought back/reborn the Apollo Ultra (X11-DDM). But since its Apollo were talking here, it'll probably cost $6K.

when you put Apollo and reliable in the same sentence 😆

I know you'd probably won't see my comment buy I wanted ask what your opinion was on the iSinwheel s9 max e scooter model?

Since that scooter is also made in China like the competition. So why the high price tag ?

Drum Brakes on a 4000 $ scoot is Wild .

There’s nothing that makes it worth this high price. The old, five year old chassis that you mention in this video are very well proven, this chassis, not so much. The fact that I can get a scooter that’s faster than this one with longer range and also lighter for like half as much as pretty telling.

I think the Apollo phantom v2 is still king when it comes to looks, kinda like the batman pod bike.

Seeing the way you have to use the very tippy tip of your right thumb to activate the throttle makes me question the ergonomics. For 4000 dollars I would expect the best of the best in comfort (As I understand that is what this scooter markets itself to be). And that does not inspire confidence.

The the flj k6 is worth 2500.

Apollo could go with just brake thumb throttle…and NO disc or drum brakes! I have my regen brake throttle set to level 3 and I never need to pull brake handles.

Burn e2 ,Wolf king gt,Inmotion rs or the Teverun fighter supreme or Dualtron are all better scooters .the bells and whistles are just not important on a scooter. Drum brakes are just not enough. i would still rather have a higher capacity with a higher voltage and cruise at higher speed or faster when needed with better adjustable suspension and brakes. you would be mad to buy one of these given what there is out there to choose from.

Ah 40 mph for 4k I believe shouldn't be worth that amount lol. Looks nice but nah more of a scam price to me I don't see it being worth that much. But everyone has there own opinions if yall Wana buy go for it but not me lol. Same way as that Segway GT2 the specs arnt there to be costing above that 4k mark. It used to cost more then 4k I remember lol.

No it's not.. it'll be under $3,000 soon enough... It's nice, definitely would buy it.. but not for that price and not till they update the stem from wobbling, and they need to put a real display on there. Not putting my phone on something that may or may not hold it. And it you wipe out there goes your phone too.

I don’t know why this guy pulls brake handles the whole video…the regen brake thumb throttle is all he needs to slow down or stop. 2 thumbs is all that’s needed to accelerate and stop.

For 4k it would be pretty hard not to get the Nami instead.

I would choose rather Teverun supreme

I bought Apollo Phantom for half the price.

2500 would be enough for this Apollo..

I don't need the Rolls Royce of scooters. I would rather have a Toyota of scooters. Just something reliable that doesn't cost more than my car.

u can get segway gt2 for 2600 which is wayy better

Probably 1k for the speaker. Rediculous price really

A 4k scooter with no disc breaks!!! That’s sucks! The scooter is gorgeous though. My Segway GT1 is pretty nice. Just waaaay too big in my opinion. And doesn’t look really cool to me.

I don't think any e scooter is worth that kind of money 🤣

Ugh... 👎 on this review, it’s too pc for me and at $4000, I want to hear the nit picks. At what point will you buy this over a Wolf King GTR, Pro or a Nami Burn E2 Max?

Marketing overpriced this scooter. I will wait for 16 months when offered at 3000 dollars

No...the Apollo Pro scooter is not worth 4K. Thank you for asking.

It’s absolutely not worth 4k ! Drum brakes ? I mean cmon are we going back in time ? And all that money for something with no speed and not to mention how poor the suspension looks . No thanks

Right now my end game scooter is the Kaabo Wolf Warrior X Pro but yeh its the end point I've had 6 scooters and I own 4 right now but I'm modifying scooter 6 to be fantastic and it would be the last scooter to be modded its basically fully modded abit but im planning to get a custom footboard which would be sick ngl the wolf warrior x pro is better then this in my opinion I prefer the wolf over this scooter just my opinion on mine you have dual stems so u know ur safe this thing has 1 trust issues u know lol the Wolf Warrior X Pro is my perfect scooter decent speed it can overtake cars if I need to over take them that is but regardless I don't find this scooter worth it for 4k you could buy a car I dislike cars because of how they act there wreckless drivers not long ago my dad crashed into one he fucked off he went to the police they did nothing disgusting

inokim oxo looks better tho

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I cringe when i see you riding that fast w/o gloves. I know your a pro but stay safe.

Overpriced piece of junk.

That scooter looks really stupid.

Sounds a little faster if you put it into metric. I have a Teverun Fighter that goes 85 kms put that in Imperial now that sounds slow to.😢

@7:01 was that a rat or what?