Is the extra $5,000 worth it? Specialized Tarmac SL7 S-Works vs Pro

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@whatwelearned 2 года назад

It's been proven that the faster bike is the one with tan side walls

@TenSapphires 2 года назад

And gold chain adds 5 Watts!

@MrHellothisisme 2 года назад

False… it’s the red bike. Always the red bike.

@ruffrydazz2032 2 года назад

They're called "dick skins".

@JonReid 2 года назад

@@ruffrydazz2032 😂

@indusrtial 2 года назад

Aligned valve stem to logo adds another 5% of power as well.

@Joshua-dx7zn 2 года назад

This is basically what I heard: "If I crash, it isn't my bike". Man I need a sponsor.

@NorCalCycling 2 года назад

and that's basically what i said lol. i'm super lucky for sure, but i spent 10 years devoted to the sport, without any success, before i had any sponsors.

@geraldtone5914 2 года назад

@@NorCalCycling Jeff, what is your occupation?

@Joshua-dx7zn 2 года назад

@@NorCalCycling I'm not hating. I'm totally envious of your abilities and both bikes.

@JimUe1 2 года назад

I heard i'm gonna be winning crits. wow!

@Mollymollyboy 2 года назад

@@geraldtone5914 he's a freaking scientist. Fact. And he actually looks like Tony Stark! Haha

@stevengraham7627 2 года назад

This is the video we all wanted and no one else "in the industry" will make. Thanks!

@peterkiraly6699 2 года назад

U got me into cycling and now I cycle every day

@robthompson6674 2 года назад

Good stuff. I love "hacking" the cost of race bikes. I bought a used 2018 Tarmac SL6 with eTap for $2215, swapped the wheels from my old bike (ENVE SES 5.6 that I've trained/raced on for over 5 years, so that investment has more than paid off) and created a legit road rocket for less than the cost of the standard SL7 frameset. While I'm not competing in Pro 1/2 races, it has helped me reach occasional Cat 3 glory. Even better is hitting Strava PR's in my 50th year of life (beating times I set as a racer when I was 5-15 years younger RULES)

@AndrewCJXing 2 года назад

wow, that’s an amazing deal for a 2018 sl6 with etap.

@robthompson6674 2 года назад

@@AndrewCJXing It was in the "before times" (before supply chain issues) and it's rim brake (everyone wants disc) but it was a really good deal and has been a phenomenal race bike

@AndrewCJXing 2 года назад

@@robthompson6674 Oh I miss that time so much. But anyway, sl6 rim for 1 grand and eTap for another grand either it's force or red, is simply a no-brainer deal. Could you share some pictures of the bike?

@robthompson6674 2 года назад

@@AndrewCJXing No clue how to attach an image to a reply on RU-vid. Sorry.

@hansthetix8053 2 года назад

Love your videos man. Short, simple, concise, and fun. Just how all contents should be!

@stylgen 2 года назад

That was awesome! I just got my Favero Electronics Assioma Duo-Shi in yesterday and now I can finally train with power. Keep up the good work. You're videos are awesome!

@user-sc6wb7kg5d Год назад

Love the segment, super valuable for a casual rider like me to make an evidence-based decision about how much money to spend on a road bike. Keep them coming!

@tenderlovellcare 2 года назад

I really enjoy these videos. Thanks for all your content Jeff. Really enjoyable and really educational content. Much respect and kudos to you man. 🤙🏻

@chiefrocker12 2 года назад

Enter the Allez Sprint, relatively cheap frame, rigid enough and ideal for crits. Fair test. Would like to see you get your hands on one

@davidnicholson6680 2 года назад

They're awesome bikes and standard issue for crit racers. An Allez Sprint with Rival AXS and Winspace Hypers is probably the best, fastest race bike for the money you're gonna find.

@bernardo9202 2 года назад

isnt the merida reacto or scultura a better option? for a first road bike?

@NorCalCycling 2 года назад

I think the allez sprint is a great choice, especially for not very technical or hilly crits. pair it with fast wheels/tires and that's a very capable setup.

@richardggeorge 2 года назад

@@bernardo9202FYI, Merida can't be sold in USA. They are the best value mainstream brand here in Australia last time I checked. If I was to buy new i would probably get a Reacto if there was sufficient tyre clearance.

@bernardo9202 2 года назад

@@richardggeorge yeah i know because of the deal with specialized whey yhey bought 20%. I was with same though, still looking for the domane or the cx trek released some time ago

@marshallman6591 2 года назад

I'm no A/V geek but I feel like editing all this takes a long time. At least to do it well like you've done here. Great content. Thanks.

@NorCalCycling 2 года назад

Much appreciated!

@pup5190 2 года назад

One of my favorite RU-vid channels. Seems like a real nice guy. Thanks for all the cool racing videos !

@channul4887 2 года назад

I love your in-depth, unbiased videos. Please do a full length feature on the SL7 "recall".

@HaveAGoodHeart 2 года назад

tks so much. love your videos as always, short and sharp, full of solid substance!

@roadkill_toronto 2 года назад

The more people like yourself able to share info with a guy like myself who is currently unable is only going to help push things further farther and faster. Thanks.

@s.jatighetchi9021 2 года назад

Thx Jeff. I’ve contemplating this question for awhile. This vlog absolutely answered all my questions made it clear to me. By the way, 5k difference in price in USD is more like 7k or 8k in CAD$ for me. Cheers and many thx on a great vlog. More content like this is greatly appreciated 👍😃

@michaltreder 2 года назад

finally some product review and comparison! looking forward to see more!

@bdoxsee 2 года назад

Nice info/video. I would have liked to see what the SWorks mounted with the SL7 wheels would reveal. I’d also like to see what a neutral low/mid profile wheelset on both bike would show weight, segment times and subjective “feel” of the two bikes.

@henrikmadsen6446 2 года назад

Jeff - I love this - do more of what you do. Just do what you find fun cuz that carries over to the content.

@chrisw5483 2 года назад

Adding the music in now makes the videos super more pro. Love the video and the channel all the way from Auckland, New Zealand 🇳🇿

@gabrieloperana2728 2 года назад

And the white sl7 pro to me definitely looks a lot cleaner, the paint on the sworks sure looks nice but a clean white bike is just chef's kiss worthy. And mind if I ask, but is the 2000$ racebike/setup video still coming? Love the content!

@NorCalCycling 2 года назад

yes, it's coming

@87togabito 2 года назад

I usually would prefer the Sworks. But I went with the pro this time because the white of the pro just, imo, looked so much better

@scottbaker5851 2 года назад

@@NorCalCycling I was told by Joe Bell a custom frame painter that white bikes are heavier. It takes more paint to cover the frame.

@EliCriffield 2 года назад

Please do 32c tires vs 25c tires, with a variety of pressures on the same course!

@bradleyleeper9517 Год назад

just rewatched this twice. Still one of my favorite videos on the tarmac differences

@8rk 2 года назад

Top end bikes from 5 years ago is also a great alternative. Last year I sold my S-Works SL7 to get a Rim brake supersix. Never been happier! Wallet is so much heavier though :P

@paulseandaniels5031 2 года назад

Love the video!!! Something different and definitely makes sense to upgrade on wheels or moving parts!

@dutypaidrock 2 года назад

Thank you Jeff for the honesty. For those questioning the accuracy - what, you think suddenly your 'improvements' are going to yield differences that can justify (and let's all remind ourselves here...) a $5,000 difference?! I can't even conceive of a performance increase that could justify that. PLEASE, let's all quit this delusion that we're getting 'value for money' from the bike industry. You're paying $5,000 for a decal. If that's how much you value 'street credibility', then knock yourselves out, but stop with the post hoc justification based on zero measurable value. They're skinning us alive and we're lapping it up like thirsty puppies [/mixedcliches], and so long as we do, they'll keep jacking the prices up every year for their "7% more aero performance" marketing claims.

@thomasvmanning 2 года назад

I mean, it was 2 pounds lighter. That ain't nothing. It's not significant for most people, but not nothing.

@NorCalCycling 2 года назад

it's lighter and comes with a faster wheel/tire setup, so the difference isn't nothing. if you're at the absolute peak of training/fitness, justifying the extra $$ might make sense. I hope my video makes that clear so people make informed purchase decisions.

@dutypaidrock 2 года назад

@@thomasvmanning $2,500 per lb. Just... no.

@marcalvarez4890 2 года назад

" a $5,000 difference?! I can't even conceive of a performance increase that could justify that." ...EPO, HGH, and steroids have entered the chat....

@ithanil4429 2 года назад

@@dutypaidrock What you seem to neglect is that $2,500 isn't worth the same to everyone. For some people it is literally pocket money, while others might need a long long time to save that up. So yeah, I think if you have to compromise any other aspect of your life to buy the $5000 bike frame (!) over one with much better value, it's not worth it at all.

@huddlesteam 2 года назад

Not sure if you’ve done this before-would love to hear you thoughts and analysis on the latest tire trends and get your thoughts on how they impact speed and climbing. I’m thinking like tubeless vs. super light clincher/latex tubes setup, or something along those lines. I know there’s a lot of “tech” vlogs out there, but your real world experience would be really cool to see here!

@SR-fm1ft 2 года назад

Love your videos man keep up the great work.

@ceazy1861 2 года назад

I appreciate the work that goes into your production

@avenc8516 2 года назад

Thank YOU Jeff for your channel and content

@TaylorSmith-tm3sz 2 года назад

Definitely glad you did this!

@justinossa7349 2 года назад

So jealous of your Garage. So neat and organized for the videos.

@justinossa7349 2 года назад

Also, Your welcome?

@maxw5229 2 года назад

You are welcome Jeff, enjoy giving you the pleasure do do what you want. :)

@tieskuijpers936 2 года назад

Love the content Jeff! Keep it up!

@mgoldberg333 2 года назад

love these jeff - they make me a better and more informed cyclist.

@smits7142 2 года назад

wheel setups are most important part of any bike, thats true in every discipline

@ChristophPotzinger 2 года назад

I really enjoyed the video (which applies to all of your vids) and fully agree with your conclusion. Great job. I also like how you store your bikes. Is this a Thule rack from which you picked the SL7?

@mathewrose2951 2 года назад

I upgraded my ride to a Bianchi Oltre XR4 with all the DuraAce and Ceramicspeed goodies. I don't race, but I enjoy the livelier acceleration and (strangely) reduced harshness. I'd say that the bike subjectively "feels" like 10-15% better than what I'd had, but at double the cost. As a MAMIL, however, I'm okay with that. It's very subjective, but it works if it's worth it for you.

@endeavour5316 2 года назад

Another great Video Mr.Alviso

@victordominguez8362 2 года назад

Very good video. It is the same piece of advice that Pedro Delgado sais on Spanish TV many years ago. So you have confirmed the same thing than a former TdF winner. Btw I had followed his piece of advice.... and now yours. Thank you.

@bluemystic7501 2 года назад

Love the comparison vids!

@martinhudobivnik5895 2 года назад

This is so much more enjoyable to watch than the GCN tests.

@nuttynut722 2 года назад

yes, without all the stupid pump track

@taylorbrasher4252 2 года назад

Love these comparisons! Hey what ever happened to the Couch to Crit series? I loved the theory but never saw any follow-up.

@joshmaitie5954 2 года назад

Love the video and the edits

@darsweave 2 года назад

This was awesome man. The music was cool too!

@BETRNSX 2 года назад

Yes! Love this stuff, gadgets and gear. Definitely don’t want to crash a more expensive bike too.

@cyclingchefglenn 2 года назад

Thanks! Great content and comparison

@BabisCharalamp 2 года назад

Brilliant, and I agree with the conclusion and advice at the end.

@nurulhuda-kb6lt 5 месяцев назад

I come back to this video every time I’m itching to get a new bike. I’m riding a specialized tarmac sl7 w roval rapide clx wheel set.

@tyleromeo 2 года назад

Thanks Jeff for the video. This is exactly why I got the SL7 Pro (Di2) instead of the S-Works for $5000 more. I am not good enough to benefit from the 1-2% benefits and don't care about the S-Works badge on the frame to make me feel fast.

@MFASonic Год назад

True. Count me in. Still I always buy S-Works, just to make sure it is definitely me who failed, not the bike.

@czts4778 Год назад

Maybe on climbing it’s not just 1 to 2 percent difference. I’ll buy the sworks.

@peacejustice2116 2 года назад

Great video and analysis! Love the comparison. Interesting comment on “…miserable California winter….” . I will definitely trade my Boston winter to yours every day…😝

@ucdescents 2 года назад

Thank you for sharing this. Been following you since you had around 100 followers. Which road was this? I also live in the Bay Area.

@NorCalCycling 2 года назад

Thanks for your support from the beginning!! steven's canyon road to redwood gulch

@turnerdrywallrestoration8077 2 года назад

Great comparison video 👍🏻

@johnflynn4923 2 года назад

Nice content that clearly illustrates the law of diminishing returns when it comes to barrister price bikes and the importance of decent hoops and rubber and how they are such a big factor in overall performance.

@eliotzbot 2 года назад

No thank you Jeff for providing the world with dope insights and strat!!

@PayneDeathz 2 года назад

I never realize how much of an impact good wheels can have! Great video!

@sebaslap 2 года назад

Yes and No right? Like it is an investment of $1k-$2k for a 1-3% improvement!

@PayneDeathz 2 года назад

@@sebaslap you know what? I think you're right. I never really considered it that way.

@georgegould1385 2 года назад

I’m amazed you left your bike and camera out without it being taken whilst doing these runs!

@fredkohly6892 2 года назад

Great comparison. Thank you!

@sheldonccp9947 2 года назад

Thank you Jeff, Perhaps your thoughts on SRAM red vs Force and why you like SRAM over Shimano

@bshebest 2 года назад

Just picked up the black SL7 Pro. Perfect price point for me. Very excited!

@lterra72 2 года назад

I own the allez sprint 1x and I love it. But since I installed a quarq pm I’m stuck with an fsa chainring that drops the chain. Now I focus on chain drops and my 1x seems antiquated. Falling outta love with my 1x.

@jjjj041 2 года назад

Definitely like this content Jeff! Would love to see an off season training/couch to crit series where you instruct a newer cyclist on off-season workouts on the bike and in the gym too!

@NorCalCycling 2 года назад

I have a series called couch to crit! check the channel

@jjjj041 2 года назад

@@NorCalCycling oh yea I’ve watched the whole series already! Wondering if you plan on doing something similar but for the off-season prep for next years race season

@alvin.holbrook 2 года назад

Jeff, what's your take on the Assioma-Shi pedals? They're exactly what I am looking for but the wider Q-factor is a scare.

@DanielHernandezBC 2 года назад

Great video Jeff, just 2 things to improve on for the next tests: 1. Weight yourself before every run and make sure to weight the same (adjust with water). The body weight difference between runs due to sweat is usually a LOT more than you think (1lb+) 2. The difference in power between runs look small, but 3w on 300w is already a 1% difference. So you should try to take it into account in your conclusions, or try to make them exactly the same by looking at a "lap power" field in you garmin and adjunting throughout the run. I did a similar test in a video but with different PSI on the wheels, and had to take into account all these "small" details for the test to really be relevant.

@Thom4aa4s 2 года назад

At the end of the day, the results would still be the same. Small differences for an extra 5000$.

@generalpompeyo 2 года назад

Thanks for the vid Jeff!

@NorCalCycling 2 года назад

You bet!

@kamilklosinski5990 2 года назад

Great content Jeff. Will you do videos on winter training or your in season training (long rides, intervals tips etc)?

@NorCalCycling 2 года назад

yes! stay tuned

@Rodolfowei12345 2 года назад

Great content, that's exactly what i thought that there is no point on spending crazy amounts on a road bike.

@facingup1624 2 года назад

Jeff: "On this miserable California winter day" me: looks outside and sees a lasagna of ice, snow, and sand in central Canada :/

@ianbent0n 2 года назад

mmm lasagna

@jeenyussnow101 2 года назад

Yeah, why he drives a AWD car when there's no snow at all 🌨️

@quarkonium3795 2 года назад

Yeah, we are lucky in California. Just today it was 26 C where I live

@DJWolves97 2 года назад

Jeff, could you do a test of the effect of tire pressures on the same course, please?!

@rainerweick1114 2 года назад

Great Video👍🏿. But if you want to built up a light weight SL7 with individual colors ther only way is the S-Works. Specialized is offering the fancy colors unfortunately only for S-Works. I would use meanwhile the new Zipp 404 instead of Roval as they are tubeless.

@Dramboli 2 года назад

SL7 pro just has this heavy groupset and this is the main reason it's loosing time uphill, otherwise it's nearly the same as the s-works model. Put a dura ace on it and I'm sure there will be no difference.

@ritujhingta7895 2 года назад

Love your content

@RichardMigneron 2 года назад

I agree 100%, for crits, there are 2 possibilities and they depend on the course. If the course requires hard braking and sprinting out of corners, you want the lightest wheels possible. On the other hand, if you can take good lines in the corners and not have to sprint out of them, you want the most aero wheels possible. Most everywhere, except steep hills where you are going less than 20 Km/h, aero trumps weight every time - up to a certain point - it is not worth it to spend to save less than 1 Kg on a bike with no other advantages (exemples: swapping all the steel screws for titanium screws or changing thru-axles for lighter ones).

@RidingBikes07 2 года назад

Another banger of a vid from NorCal Cycling, lessss gooooo!

@SpeedGio 2 года назад

Great! Im looking for a new bike right now, i have the Sworks right now, its a 2019 model, and I’m not sure if the Sworks price is worth the money, so i was lookin the Pro. Also between my options, i have the BMC SLR01, and the Festka One. Haven’t pull the trigger on any of those yet. What do you think?

@timmcclung69 2 года назад

awesome vid keep it up!

@robgreenwood7296 2 года назад

How about the S-Works Aethos vs the S-Works SL7. Will be a good side-by-side on both the flats and climbs. Have we all been punked by the aero movement only to now find out that round tubes and traditional appearance is just as good/fast?

@burnsideisback 2 года назад

Got so into this when my sprint interval hit... wasn't paying attention and almost crashed on the stationary haha

@EliasLopez Год назад

what wheel set would you recommend on 22/23? I'm between Enve ses 6.7 or DT Swiss arc 1100 or the Roval Rapide on the S-works build (the ones you ride pretty much) Thanks in advance, great video and editing.

@Youtubefana 2 года назад

Cool video. Did the increased Q FACTOR on the favero duo Shi bother you?

@mikeh7759 2 года назад

Your a full legend Jeff!! Was wondering is youtube/cycling your full time job or do you have another profession? Cheers!

@TurneyUK 2 года назад

I can’t really tell the difference between the two, except for the paint job. They both look like pretty top end bikes anyway. I wouldn’t be riding the more expensive bike in crits as we all know accidents happen and I’d cry if my best bike got destroyed. Always race a bike that you can crash and can afford to replace if it breaks.

@grantdoyle1259 2 года назад

Do you not feel any issues with the wider Q-factor on the SHI pedals? Apparently the difference is pretty large

@trevorfilipiak1247 2 года назад

S-Works exists so that the price on the "Pro" seems reasonable

@kconnnnn 2 года назад

I think you should have had the same tires on both also as that is relatively inexpensive to switch out and prob has more difference than the wheels. Love the video though!

@IsaiahsBabyDaddy 2 года назад

Can you post some thoughts regarding the Assioma Q Factor. Interested to see if you felt the width was too gross. Ty!!

@jorgegomez1099 2 года назад

Wich size does that bikes are?. Excelent Video, Thanks

@seanchacha 2 года назад

Would be good to know how much the price difference is between the team bike + high end wheels vs the sworks, which is what you are suggesting; i guess much less than 5k?

@Obsidian72 2 года назад

Seeing Jeff's arms with the long-sleeved kit feels so weird since it looks bread stick thin in the car shot but after watching all the Alviso videos I know how beefed it actually looks from the chest cam.

@peterkiraly6699 2 года назад

Worth watching u, legend

@gerard45gh 2 года назад

Thanks for that review so right ✅ wheels and tyres make most the difference..

@hadoush4247 2 года назад

Will we see you one day do a European Race e.g. like Mallorca 312 or La Marmotte? Btw love these kinda videos!

@j3ddai 2 года назад

How much did the weight change when you setup the SL7 Pro with the S-Work's wheels?

@adamludvigsen7665 2 года назад

How do the bikes compare in a max sprint or acceleration comparison?

@dhess34 2 года назад

You name the hobby, diminishing returns are a thing. Cycling, photography, shooting, speakers/audiophile equipment, pens, watches, etc, etc.

@lennynduru 2 года назад

Great video👍. But how did safe is that place leaving a bike behind 🤯

@MrKent84 2 года назад

Great video! I am really curious as to what your take is on the Assioma-Shi power meters. Did the Q factor affect you much that you could tell? Please let me know!

@NorCalCycling 2 года назад

Fine for training but I wouldn't race on them because of pedal strikes

@robertdiez3091 2 года назад

How about aero on a climb vs non aero I went a event in greenville it made no different to me being a light rider and any gaps I had off the decent I could close easy on the flats with it.