Is The Fender Tone Master Pro REALLY That Powerful

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Well, I bought one. A few days in, and I wanted to get a sense of the "power" of this thing. Of course, we are told it has 8 cores, and is the most powerful modeler (I guess in terms of sheer gigaflops or womblebytes or something) - but as a User - what's it actually capable of?
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@questionmark5463 9 месяцев назад

Man ... watching your videos and short lessons has genuinely taken my playing to several levels higher than what I was doing before. Your level is my goal. Something about your videos and how humble you are is super motivational.

@rutger4131 9 месяцев назад

That pitch shifter test was kind a savage, well done!

@TLMuse 9 месяцев назад

Loved that intro-another keeper for a future recording! -Tom

@ThePlanarchist 9 месяцев назад

Another insightful video. Hope it goes well for the gig, looking forward to hearing how it fits....

@organic6299 9 месяцев назад

Thanks for this honest and enlighten review/video. This is a good contrast to the 'million' other YT-clips about the FTMP out there.

@marekgitarzysta5193 9 месяцев назад

I really like your videos - so unbiased! And you always look at things from practical, real user perspective - no marketing bullsh*t. Not to mention your playing ;)

@DrProgNerd 9 месяцев назад

I've been critical of the FTM so far - but I was surprised that I liked your FTM tone better than the Helix tone in the beginning. FTM was smoother and more detailed. The Helix was just a touch too furry. That said I'm no closer to wanting one. I'm a home player - happy with plugins. If I did go back to a physical modeler, I'd likely go back to Kemper. Might be tempted by an FM3 again. FTM? Not at all. *** Side Note: Your little girl is absolutely precious. My babies are grown now. Soak up every bit of this time with her. It may not seem like it now - but they grow up so fast. 🙂

@tim0391 9 месяцев назад

Just out of curiosity - why not consider the quad cortex? I’m considering one myself - never owned a Kemper or any modeller before to compare which is why I ask

@nickw1284 9 месяцев назад

They all sound the same. Jonathan will know if they feel differently under the fingers.

@batworksstudios7069 9 месяцев назад

I thank you for your insights, many vids get very complex with their reviews, and I am sure many appreciate that. I am just an average bedroom player, and the sound seems decent to me, but it is the ease of use that I love. So, on that alone I am sold. I am sure this will get much better. Actually, If I really like it, I will be getting rid of a lot of amps and pedals I have. I want to play, and I want to stop playing around with equipment. I will give it a few months before I get it though.

@RichardSmith-bj3bo 9 месяцев назад

These are now £1489 at Coda and 1499 everywhere else, so down £160 already from release. As an owner of several tube amps this is the only modeller I have been tempted by and its mainly about the UI.

@mickylicky5265 9 месяцев назад

love these videos you're doing of this....can't wait for the song/set list vid coming up as well as reports on how the gig goes....I like my Ampero II Stomp but it's very limited from a gigability point of view....I do love the UI of the Tone Master Pro....but I think they overshot the price point by at least $500....thank you for all the great content (& adore the clips of the gorgeous little miss Cordy!)

@ksharpe10 9 месяцев назад

Elodie!!!!

@jbbourbon178 9 месяцев назад

If this was $999 it would be a completely different ball game

@trevor4533 9 месяцев назад

Heck, even $1299-$1399 would have raised alot of eyebrows.

@TheBbtlegit 9 месяцев назад

Exactly its way overpriced.

@ironblast5 9 месяцев назад

I still want to see a headrush core or prime directly compared to this those are selling much cheaper and have more features atm

@planzed.2 9 месяцев назад

100%.

@NevinDouglas82 9 месяцев назад

I don’t think we could reasonably see a unit at that price point without compromising on the physical chassis.

@Zualra 9 месяцев назад

Bro, that Intro touched my Soul !!!!

@rockstarjazzcat 9 месяцев назад

Shout out to Cliff Chase who implemented gapless switching this week. 🎸😂🤙🏼

@AmericanNationalist852 9 месяцев назад

But but but but tHiS FeNdER uNit hAs pREtty PIctUrEs aNd tURny kNoBS!!!

@DavidEidelberg 9 месяцев назад

O only on the AFX 3, not on FM9 or FM3.

@rockstarjazzcat 9 месяцев назад

@@DavidEidelberg The Axe-FX III is the flagship, and it’s announced in the works for the FM line, so…? 🤷🏻‍♂️

@TheCyberMantis 9 месяцев назад

@@DavidEidelberg It's not on the FM9 yet?

@rockstarjazzcat 9 месяцев назад

@@TheCyberMantis It’s only out in public beta for the III. So no, not on FM9 yet.

@THEItchybruddah 9 месяцев назад

“Not Faulty Towers…” Well done Maestro!

@picksalot1 9 месяцев назад

Looking forward to your report on how it sounded on the Gig. Particularly, if it sounded more like a real Amp, compared to other Modelers you've used on Gigs.

@ChristopherDowning 9 месяцев назад

Sounds like it's a lot of cash and John can't find the reason behind buying one. As he says if Fender wants to turn up to the modeling world late they better have something that fixes what the others have missed. John can't find what that is so it's a mystery product.

@klummmb 9 месяцев назад

I watch all your videos on the TMP for the same reason that i always read the 3 star reviews on a product. Discussion of the shortcommings in an honest and critical way and avoids all the biased negative reviews from defective/damaged/personal conflict cases.

@klummmb 9 месяцев назад

That being said, I think the opinions you are expressing are equally valuable to both people looking for a reason to buy or not to buy

@jessenicholson1777 8 месяцев назад

I’m impressed you got this good of a tone out of the Fender because I haven’t felt like anything I’ve heard on other channels sounds all that great. Even still, m I the only one hearing it almost cut in and out on rakes and low notes?

@Plextortion 9 месяцев назад

With the QC as shown your looking at a ton boxes with various squiggly lines and boxes within boxes, similar to the Helix. When the image of the QC was shown I didn't know what I was looking at. I've got a QC and give me the UI of the FTMP and HeadRush Prime/Core any day.

@johnnathancordy 9 месяцев назад

Once the signal chain gets a little more populated I feel like the UI of the FTMP and Headrush stuff starts to get a little tricky in its own way though?

@PuRe_AdDicT 9 месяцев назад

I’ll never get rid of my Pitchfork pedal, my Stomp can’t compete with it. (especially when playing chords) I like a mix of real pedals and these types of devices.

@infinity-1834 9 месяцев назад

Nice "Lonely in the Night" jam!

@fredcapolongo5909 9 месяцев назад

The real test is in a mix at a gig... with enough tweaking, almost any piece of gear can sound good in a controlled environment. About 2 years ago we started running a silent stage... looked at pretty much every modeler out, settled on the Boss GX-100 (largely due to your videos, thanks btw). In the mix, at a bar gig, it's perfect. There's a lot of competition in my band for sonic space... guitar, bass, drums, 2 keyboard players, an acoustic guitar player, and 5 vocals. With all that going on, the Boss does a great job. This Fender unit hasn't shown any justification for being roughly $1,000 more expensive... so far. Maybe that's a comparison you could try... gig with the Boss GX-100 and with this, see if there's any noticeable difference in a live setting. Keep up the great work!

@ianbarnes1406 9 месяцев назад

Great 'chord tone' soloing in that first solo. Maybe an idea for a future video, outlining your approach to this?

@THEItchybruddah 9 месяцев назад

As a semi Luddite, current rig is two tone Master Deluxes with a stereo pedalboard. It allows me to go direct, power attenuation (half juice on the Deluxe keeps up with bass and drums just fine), and I don’t have to deal with menu option anxiety. Also, with the recent demise of my long suffering “Time Factor” I purchased the DL4 MkII which has all the original patches I love AND the Helix reverbs. Basically I’m still a tap dancer that wants no part of midi. As always, I find much value in your dispatches John. Thanks for your time.

@marjeziorny924 9 месяцев назад

DL4, good joke

@THEItchybruddah 9 месяцев назад

@@marjeziorny924 How so? I still use the old modded unit on the board wired for the channel switching/FX loop. Pretty bullet proof after over a decade.

@marjeziorny924 9 месяцев назад

@@THEItchybruddah Everything is fine, but for me it was an unstable device, especially the switches. Beer, these things...Regards!

@THEItchybruddah 9 месяцев назад

@@marjeziorny924 Welp, the “modded” thing I have HAS upgraded switches, output DOESN’T drop and some other stuff. It’s a tank. (I’m on the back side of my “beer” period so, I gotta wait n’see how the MkII werks out.) I’m a geezer as you may have figured out. 😜

@marjeziorny924 9 месяцев назад

Yes, I heard about modds, it was a weak comment on my part, I would be happy to drink with you. All the best in art and in life!

@nlmal4 9 месяцев назад

HX-STOMP is my favorite because I can paid for it, 👍🏾

@jamesnichols5998 9 месяцев назад

Might not be on the same level, but for DSP capacity a Boss GT1000 runs 2 amp sims for far less $ and still sounds great. Even my 1000CORE does that for under $500

@ZacharySaucier 9 месяцев назад

I’d consider it the same Level

@JDStone20 9 месяцев назад

Exactly. Put it in a mix or live band and do an A/B recording and see if you can tell the difference. Maybe a audiophile might be able to, but they are not everyone.

@JDStone20 9 месяцев назад

$1700USD...that is 3 Boss GT1000's and a Harley Benton guitar or 2 used LIne-6 Stompbox modelers

@_guitar_dad 9 месяцев назад

@AKJbone20 so 3 Boss GT1000 at $1099 = $1799 lol where are you pulling these figures from??

@TheCyberMantis 9 месяцев назад

@@_guitar_dad It's that "new math" they are teaching the kids in school these days.

@jimlansa7098 9 месяцев назад

i have a kemper and don't thinking of replacing it with something else for even one second, but if i had to choose between the tone master or QC i would definitely go for the QC

@primaballerina84 9 месяцев назад

Almost a tear in my eye when the little one showed up!

@JamesJLaRue 9 месяцев назад

Helix pitch shift way less glitchy. Thanks for getting into the details. The limited routing is a deal breaker for sure. Noone ever invites Boss to these parties, but I'm often using all 3 dividers on GT-1000, with more blocks than the Fender can handle. Not gonna say it looks or sounds better but I need the flexibility. Are you noticing any issue with touch screen responding to callused guitar playing fingertips? Looks like you're dragging blocks to trash a couple times before they respond.

@algorithm007ify 8 месяцев назад

The price of convolution reverbs and immediate preset changing

@davidreedjr8517 9 месяцев назад

Awesome vid as always - Does it have the ability (and appreciate you dont work for f****r) to eventually add more effects do you know? Anything mentioned in the manual. Ie like the helix's. I think the price already annoys me it doesnt have an expression pedal built in/on like the helix's/headrush...more effects - the ehx freeze effect is still something i wish all would include!! :)

@paulshedden1404 8 месяцев назад

Not sure if I have posted this before (apologies if I have), but the Mission SP1-TMP (co branded and custom paint) unlocks things like volume control, wah and a lot of cool creativity/control. Fender also made it reeeeally easy to set up the expression and the toe switch. Control up to 5 parameters at once and use the toe switch to turn off one or all effects. Be great to see a video covering this :-)

@JohnSpo 9 месяцев назад

At this point I want more footswitches than a helix not less. When I filled out a survey by line6 asking about what's important I put footswitches as one of the most important. I don't want to have to find ways to economize a preset. I would like a footswitch for everything I need to do; Boost the mids, boost the volume, add a booster, change tremolo speed, increase delay mix etc. I don't want to be jumping all over changing presets to have to use another effect. Using the helix without the Bank Up/Bank Down switches in stomp mode can usually accommodate my needs but there have been some instances when I would have loved to have the flexibility of another on/off, or parameter.

@nickw1284 9 месяцев назад

A good valve amp sounds better. We are all pretending that modellers can get close - they can't. I remember going to the Rewind festival a few gears ago, and many of the bands used a Kemper. It sounded alright, but when ELO came on with a JCM 900 stack, I could hear the difference so clearly. The Marshall killed the Kemper. Invest in amps, make amps great again!

@ejmachuca9355 9 месяцев назад

I've been using Fender Modeling amps since Fender introduced the Mustang line. I am currently using the GTX modeler. All have really great Fender models. The only "issue" I have with the modelers in general, is the fact you end up with so many features and settings you will never, ever....ever, open up or use. Still, brilliant modeling amps.

@joelanderson6777 9 месяцев назад

I have GTX 100 too. It has over wi-fi updating but the TMP doesn't! However Fender hasn't updated the GTX with anything new in well over a year despite that it is still their current offering! That is also a concern for this crazy-priced processor!

@yikelu 9 месяцев назад

Thought the Helix was the second one and was right. It was a little more clear in the top end to my ears. The thing with the FTM tones I've heard so far is the top end isn't very pleasant. Too fizzy if left in, then too dark if you try to cut the fizz.

@billlangly7806 9 месяцев назад

Still feeling great about my HX Longboy!

@Crabfather 9 месяцев назад

I stopped and relistened, I'm picking solo #2 as the helix as it sounded more 'familiar. Intrigued to see if I'm right. They both actually sound good. Edit: YUSSS!

@derrickmickle5491 9 месяцев назад

Thank you for the blind comparison between the TMP (FTM?) and the the Helix Native at the beginning. Confirmed what I've suspected: the difference is de minimus, and overall both sound great! Although you've complicated my life, now. 😅 Although I'm loving the simplicity, ease-of-use, and sheer fun of using the TMP, it's prob not wise for me to part with my Helix anytime soon. Agree with your initial thoughts on the power of the unit. A bit suspect that Fender hasn't published any specifications that would back up the claim on its website to be the "most powerful...guitar processor ever" on the market. Various sources have reported that it has eight cores vs the four cores on the Quad Cortex. But nothing official from Fender. Also, is there a separate GPU handling all the skeuomorphic rendering? If not, and the cores are handling both the graphics rendering and the DSP audio processing...this could hamper the ability of the eight cores to handle more than two amp combo models simultaneously.

@Adventuresingearland 9 месяцев назад

13:39 - perhaps all the memory they’ve allocated to the 6000 (12k with you’re two cab setup here) IR’s for mic placement are a factor?

@pepeowen 9 месяцев назад

I'm not sure if you're trying to do negative reviews of this piece of gear, because each video you sound even more amazing that the one before. Fender should have sent you this unit for a free demo, now they're getting the free review and people like me are starting to think this is pretty good.

@johnnathancordy 9 месяцев назад

Not negative nope, just reviews putting it in the context of the wider modeling world

@modscientist9793 9 месяцев назад

John, two questions, how many bugs have you found so far, and do we know what's the most powerful processor that could be currently implemented into such a unit that would give us the flexibility and power that we need without limitation?

@timothy5974 9 месяцев назад

I’m over the modelers at this point, yes they’re nice , but I just enjoy playing a simple setup. The thing for me is personally not choosing to spend money like this. Getting ready for retirement years and trying to pay for a child’s college is a challenge. I’m set in my ways and am sure there are many viewers in the same boat. Thanx.

@johnnathancordy 9 месяцев назад

I've really enjoyed gigging with a tube amp again for the last few months....

@Stoffendous 9 месяцев назад

Do you feel he has to stop spending on gear so his kid can go to college? Surely youd advise him to splurge a little right?@@johnnathancordy

@diontes1480 9 месяцев назад

Pod Go might be something around your alley! It's simple and easy to navigate compare to most modelors, while still having Helix tones. Pretty inexpensive as well :)

@Tanax13 9 месяцев назад

++ UX wise it wins against every single modeler out there + Build quality seems very good + Sounds are decent IMO, perfectly acceptable +- Touch screen seems... finicky but passable - Feature wise, of course it doesn't have everything the others has since it's fresh new - Price wise... a bit too expensive right now

@derrickmickle5491 9 месяцев назад

Here's a thought: the micro SD card slot may be the TMP's ace up the sleeve. Limits on the number of cabinets is prob a function of the limits of the program memory component of the DSP. The manual says the micro SD card slot is for "future expansion of Tone Master PRO functionality", whatever that may mean. However, UHS-II v90 micro SD cards are a thing, and powerful enough to handle 8K video recording. They would chew through the most demanding audio workloads by orders of magnitude. Theoretically, the v90 micro SD card speed in an audio context would be plenty fast for the TMP's core processors to use to temporarily offload audio processing tasks in real time. So perhaps Fender plans to leverage the sd card memory capacity to unleash the full power of the unit? Pure speculation at this point, but a possibility nonetheless.

@petesmith6434 9 месяцев назад

The Helix Poly Capo sounds and tracks much better than the Fender’s pitch algorithm to me.

@PuRe_AdDicT 9 месяцев назад

Helix native*

@joemiller9856 9 месяцев назад

John , yeah you dialed in a better patch / tone. To me this thing looks reverse engineered from key features of the other leading modelers in terms of form factor and things like dual use of foot switches and encode / adjust like the neural. The ui , signal paths, etc are probably more limited initially based in code structure rather than power ( number of cores). This is definitely version 1.0 from a code perspective. We need to give it time to see what the first couple rounds of firmware updates accomplish. That should also give an indication of their longer term commitment.

@millman82 9 месяцев назад

What did you use for speakers on the Hotel gig with the volume restriction? Did they have a house system or do you have a go to setup when you don’t go direct to FOH?

@ksharpe10 9 месяцев назад

It's ELODIE!!!!! It's user interface is what will draw. UPDATES will keep it GOING. It needs loads more Amps/effects. GREAT VIDEO!!!!

@hypnoticGrill 9 месяцев назад

It seems the quantity part of the fender unit is a bit underwhelming, also they effects seem not to be on par with fractal or helix. But the amps have through all the videos i ve seen a feel to it that exceeds all others for me. so maybe that is the strenght of it. having killer amps is somewhat their expertise, and it seems they used it. now they need to up their game in the effects section to really get near the crown

@joshuabenton3785 9 месяцев назад

+1 to Fractal for getting that amazing gapless switching!! -1 for letting Fender beat them to getting the ODR-1 in their modeler first.

@TheCyberMantis 9 месяцев назад

Meh. The ODR-1 is not that big of a deal. Most people can easily live without it.

@joshuabenton3785 9 месяцев назад

@@TheCyberMantis i personally really really like it with some amps so I am still hoping it will come to the Fractalverse soon

@markinthemix6055 9 месяцев назад

It is straight up easier to get in good tone quickly with this unit than a helix or an HX start.

@robertclarkguitar 9 месяцев назад

I want to hear it and see the reviews once its updated and IR and pre a B mixing working.

@robertclarkguitar 9 месяцев назад

Cab mixing I mean

@vincentsantiago2gmai 9 месяцев назад

I want to hear the Roland JC-120 chorus

@bangdude5630 9 месяцев назад

How accurate the pedal models compared to helix's?

@brianbivens6476 9 месяцев назад

Being that I have been duped by Fender before, jumping in on a poorly supported digital amp, and given the high cost, I will be sitting this out year one. If Center can come in with some really good acoustic stimulation and pitch algorithms over the next year, I could see buying this. As it stands, I will stick to my Strymon board. And my … wait for it… Zoom MS50 (which is seriously underrated)… As it stands, the MS 50 has a better sounding polyphonic pitch shifter than the fender! 😂

@therealtech833 8 месяцев назад

I was thinking too, somewhere between 1,000 and $1,200, this thing would be very competitive, and be able to gain vital market share. It's quite a crowded market at this point, the Fender fanboys will buy up at first, but to maintain sales, it will need to be competitively priced to create a base of people that use it. Otherwise it will become a niche product.

@david71991 9 месяцев назад

You gonna give the new FRFR cab a try?

@blueleaftuber 9 месяцев назад

It sure does look nicer than my Headrush FRFR

@bathstreetblues2588 9 месяцев назад

Love a Barrymore gag

@adamwilcox6405 9 месяцев назад

Does this put the idea of a helix 2 to bed? It illustrates that more processing power etc doesn't really offer a fat lot more.

@VideoDetection 9 месяцев назад

John, can you please let us know the country of manufacture for the Fender Tone Master Pro?

@Impractical_Engineer 9 месяцев назад

Would love to hear your thoughts on the tone master FR-12 powered speaker.

@Stefan- 9 месяцев назад

That pitch shifting in the Fender was not anywhere near the Helix, it sounded like a ringmodulator at times. Boss has had seamless patch switching since 2018 with the GT-1000 and on the GX-100 you can also have that but it apparently depends on how different the effect chain is, but we are talking about a device that is about a third of the Tone master and still can do dual amps and quite a few effect blocks. I dont own any of these but the Tone master would not currently be on my list of potential units. It surely has potential, the UI and IO seems nice but i havent heard any good sounding distorted sounds so far and it doesnt seem impressive functionwise.

@ymelfilm 9 месяцев назад

I have a katana 50 frst gen at home for years, I may have to upgrade its firmware , but never use this amp. Does it have a pitch shifter? Useable if has?

@Stefan- 9 месяцев назад

@@ymelfilm I dont know much about the Katana so i couldnt say, i have never used one.

@jarrydwilliams237 9 месяцев назад

First jam was the Fender, second Helix

@harryharris1619 9 месяцев назад

We have no idea how they distributed the DSP or even if they have currently gone to the max. Have seen on info on this aspect of the unit. Most players are not going to have triple amps and two different delay units in its signal chain. along with all the other stuff. Not sure what John is going for here, but does it have good tones or not? Again its the first release so not thinking this and other reviews will be that useful in the future.

@alfonsovai 9 месяцев назад

Recently Andertones made a video comparing every major FX modeler (minus AXE Fx, since they sell directly) and Helix really came out low. But it really sounded as they never updated the thing, the Cab update was a huge deal.

@david71991 9 месяцев назад

They had a mono reverb on as well. Lee is obsessed with the idea that the Helix is somehow old technology and lesser than the rivals. He’s clueless basically.

@robertbrown1778 9 месяцев назад

They said 3.60 was claimed to be an improvement... "so let's find out" - which I assume means they'd updated it.

@robertbrown1778 9 месяцев назад

@@david71991 He was also obsessing about the Kemper being ancient, but said that sounded best of all.

@TheBbtlegit 9 месяцев назад

I love my Helix. This Fender is not impressive to me.

@picksalot1 9 месяцев назад

Yeah, it was shockingly bad how inferior the Helix sounded in general.

@AnthonyBencomo 9 месяцев назад

Sounds damn good though.

@ToneDeth. 9 месяцев назад

when you were playing the pink guitar that had eyes and a face was that helix?

@ahall3823 9 месяцев назад

Can you run three delays in parallel?

@shygrammer 9 месяцев назад

I think fender is trying to play the heritage card and charge us for that too

@w1zard0f0h 9 месяцев назад

did you do the update?

@orpheus3342 9 месяцев назад

I dont know where I should head with all this. On the one hand, you have the option of building your own pedalboard, or you could buy this. As a young guitarist I have absolutely no idea what to invest in, especially if these get software updates later on. So many choices to make these days! I wonder what will be more popular 10 years from now.

@ViniciusMollGuitar 9 месяцев назад

Hey John, thanks for the video! Are you going to share the presets for the Fender Master Tone pro on your Gumroad or where else? Thanks!

@johnnathancordy 9 месяцев назад

Happy to share them if folks want them?

@ViniciusMollGuitar 9 месяцев назад

@@johnnathancordy I would like to try it too! thanks!

@DrRussPhd 9 месяцев назад

Have you built a patch that maxed out the DSP yet?

@ksharpe10 9 месяцев назад

He does it in this video, he could not add any more, watch the Whole video PLEASE

@rogerwilliams2629 9 месяцев назад

That baby is precious and a cutie. Congratulations on the best thing youll do

@petesmith6434 9 месяцев назад

It looks like there is a lot of visual lag as you moving objects around the screen. That would drive me crazy.

@johnnathancordy 9 месяцев назад

the laggiest page i've noticed is when you're saving a preset, otherwise it's been pretty good

@MattJarz 9 месяцев назад

Phaser after drive pedal?

@trickfall8752 9 месяцев назад

Until Fender comes out with a polyphonic pitch shifter I don't think that's a really meaningful comparison. I wonder if they will eventually give you the option to have a preset set to either allow gapless switching, or not allow it and use more processing power. It's an interesting choice.

@johnnathancordy 9 месяцев назад

Worth knowing if it is an effect that folks are using? Seems with Fractal a choice may not even be needed?

@trickfall8752 9 месяцев назад

It just seemed a bit like comparing a Boss OC2 to a POG or something. Fractal seems amazing and I was ready to buy but the interface looked incredibly unfun for me and I rock spreadsheets for a living.@@johnnathancordy

@LivinginLosAngeles-re5yx 9 месяцев назад

$1700 for a modeler seems too much, but in the end, its all about the tones. If they're truly that good, it will do well. There room for everythng in the market. Many hate Headrush stuff, but their stuff sells very, very well. There's a product for everyone.

@user-mr1ku5iz8l 9 месяцев назад

The Tonemaster Pro has loads of CPU power and the sounds are really good. I think the way they implemented capture/profile capabilities in their $1700 device was really smart and a unique way to capture/profile amps & pedals. Oh wait. Never mind. Big miss there Fender. But adding overlooked features are what firmware updates are for.

@joelanderson6777 9 месяцев назад

I love the bass models and effects, vocal effects, practice mode, 20 minute looper... oh wait! That is the Headrush Prime and Core which are $400 and $700 less expensive respectively!

@user-mr1ku5iz8l 9 месяцев назад

@@joelanderson6777 HRP owner for two months now. I love it. The capture/profile feature was a major selling point for me. It's nice to have the capability.

@robertclarkguitar 9 месяцев назад

Second the helix. First the fender? I thought i heard a change but thought was patch swap via preamp or maybe eq or something possibly drive pedal lol. Ill find out shortly. Lol😅

@robertclarkguitar 9 месяцев назад

I was right!!!!! The helix sound was a bit more drive it felt

@JDStone20 9 месяцев назад

$1700. Do you know how many Boss Me-90's you can buy for that? Digitech RP360's? Zoom? LIne-6 HX?

@-plexico- 9 месяцев назад

So, Fender TMP is growing on you? Ty for posting.

@johnnathancordy 9 месяцев назад

Will try gigging it this evening - there are some things that I think are cool about it - but I don't think it brings much new to the modeling landscape right now? Good to see a smaller form factor though

@-plexico- 9 месяцев назад

@@johnnathancordy have a great gig. And hope you acquire an FR-10, FR-12 or stereo pair soon!

@blueleaftuber 9 месяцев назад

Does anyone else feel like stereo out is just the way to go now?

@PuRe_AdDicT 9 месяцев назад

Any group I’ve played with, it’s been mono guitar all the way. Even playing wet/dry with 2 live amps is 2 mono sources. Stereo guitar is a PITA for engineers live.

@rockstarjazzcat 9 месяцев назад

@@PuRe_AdDicTworth checking sum to mono for sure. i dial in focused tones that generally work either way. cheers.

@mrtruefifth 9 месяцев назад

Did You Update and factory Reset the unit ?

@johnnathancordy 9 месяцев назад

Of course

@mrtruefifth 9 месяцев назад

@@johnnathancordy Thanks, but many RU-vid demos did not do this and there are more amps and better sound with the update and reset, so it's a relevant question. Also, Fender has stated on TGP that they use Electronic Component Modelling, this means that all amps and pedals are quite slow to develop, as all and each electronic part in a given amp or pedal is digitally copied / emulated. It also means that the Memory Man Deluxe pedal acts on the dry signal just as in real life - as answer to your question your other video. It also means that the Fender amps are the exact same as those released with physical amps in the Tone Master series.

@PuRe_AdDicT 9 месяцев назад

To me, seamless preset switching is a WOW, and it's drawing me in. How is having parallel paths on QC any different to this? If I can swap to any preset seamlessly, then I can swap to any signal chain seamlessly, what does it matter if it's within the same preset or not? It's as simple as pressing a footswitch on either device EXCEPT the QC is limited to 4 preset seamless, while I can swap any amount of presets with the TMP (unless I'm missing something) 🤷‍♂

@johnnathancordy 9 месяцев назад

Well, because there are a few ways to use other units, and if we are talking about sheer power etc, then running 3 or 4 amps is possible on other units - quite a lot more on the Quad Cortex?

@PuRe_AdDicT 9 месяцев назад

@@johnnathancordyA valid point I guess, but I don’t think I’ve ever wanted more than 2 amps at any one time in a signal chain (and that’s wet/dry), seems quite a niche situation to have 3 or 4 in a single signal path. Can’t say I’ve ever seen you use 4 amps in a preset in any video here, but I could be wrong of course.

@johnnathancordy 9 месяцев назад

@@PuRe_AdDicT definitely a bit of a niche, but there's a helix video where I have 4 amps in it for a big blues tone, and in Quad Cortex. Also, if you remember that was one of the selling points of the quad cortex, that you could (however rare, but I have seen people say they're doing this) run 2 guitars and a bass through the unit without too much sweat. Under the current DSP allocation set up that wouldn't be possible with the TMP

@QuoVadis88 7 месяцев назад

I can see why you returned the TMP. You are making a statement. You are both right and wrong. Right in that the "most powerful" modeler has pedestrian limits. Wrong in that what was true yesterday is not necessarily true today. The flagship TMP will be upgraded considerably. I have one. There are updates that I am looking forward to. I will not bail on Fender's flagship TMP. This unit works well. We all have limits. I can't send myself back to the manufacturer, they went out of business (dead). So I have to carry on and improve. The TMP does what it does so far with excellence. I don't need 4 rows of amps. If I did, I would get an additional TMP, (one TMP into the effects loop of the other) which would be a good investment. I did get two Fender FR-12 cabs for that stereo Wall of Sound. My headphones have two speakers, one for left, one for right. If I can't get a good sound with two amps ... but I can ... as when the Beatles started recording in the early 1960's, they only had two tracks yet sold millions of records and performed brilliantly great music. The TMP is a fine piece of gear, even with the limits you mention. As you see in the comments, some people prefer the sound of the TMP compared to the other modelers you push. You do play well though, and you can get some great sounds.

@intersweat 9 месяцев назад

The Michael Barrymore reference was genius. Anyone who doesn’t know the story check it out

@TheCyberMantis 9 месяцев назад

AxeFX-III is still the most powerful modeler.

@therangersinger 9 месяцев назад

The one you were playing after you picked up your daughter sounded very good. Whichever that was.

@mathmusicstructure 9 месяцев назад

One of the many tech specs probably is the most powerful in the world. Maybe it has the most RAM or whatever. But of course that doesn't mean that it's optimized, or that the overall practical power is the best.

@sugarprobe 9 месяцев назад

I bet fractal has had the gapless waiting to be used as a update for a long time. Why show your hand too soon when every modeller had the same issues. Wait for the right moment and boom “amazing update” lol. Disclosure - I have FM9, QC and TMP

@nikolaki 9 месяцев назад

They should put an m1 mac mini motherboard inside it.... would get less warm, boot faster and model more.

@RobCrawford23 9 месяцев назад

Before complaining about the price have a look at the build costs. Firstly the build costs will be way higher than you think. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QzbKtmEt68E.htmlsi=8wwAk9QkkSAQoCyz This is for the Quad Cortex but the same xounts for the Fender ( i am told its a higher quality display and additional processors & memory which mist definitely raises the build cost) Additionally the first realease will have a higher price. Of course the costing info i was given could have been given incorrect.

@shygrammer 9 месяцев назад

Helix was the first one

@Nixxal 9 месяцев назад

Looks like the tmp is now £1500 most places. Tmp vs neural… price fight.

@trevor4533 9 месяцев назад

Yeah, its pretty easy to get them in the states for ~$1500 USD.

@tiomkinnyborg2289 9 месяцев назад

Here is a question. What does an amp sound like? Well it depends what you plug into it. If your ax has Hummbuckers it will sound different than if you used single coils. Amps have a 'type of sound'. Fender black face, Marshall, Vox. But there is no distinct sound that defines any amp. Can the modeler replicate those types? Yes. Since the Zoom G5 modelers have been able to it do well. If I did a blind test of real or digital would anyone tell the difference? Is that how we listen to music? When buying a device I look at the price, size, and support. Then I look at the interface and ease of use. Back in the day You had ONE amp (2 channels switchable). You plugged a pedal or two into it and played your gig. Now it seem to be how good on paper something is. How many cores are at play and can I run 20 amps. This is not music anymore.

@sgtcaco 9 месяцев назад

At that price I would just buy a fender delux reverb amp.

@diezelvh4300 9 месяцев назад

the poly capo of hx native sounds better than that of the fender

@PuRe_AdDicT 9 месяцев назад

So a daw render of a pitch effect is better than most modellers attempt at pitch shifting - hardly big news. Poly Capo eats DSP on my Stomp and is not as reliable as a Pitchfork for example where chords don’t suffer from the same artifacts as you’re hearing here.