Is The Harbor Freight APEX Winch Any Good?? Lets find out!

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Ever since Harbor Freight released their new APEX Badlands winch ive been wondering if it was any better than their previous models. Ive had alot of you ask me my opinions on it, and i figured it was time to try one out!
I will start off by saying im a big fan on Warn winches.. Ive ran a handful of different winches on my jeeps throughout the years and ive had the best luck with Warn. However, that does not mean that im not open to trying out a new product.
The Apex caught my eye... Not only is it a good looking winch, but it appears to have some very impressive specs.
12,000Lb capacity, 31.5 FPM line speed, Synthetic line (which i always recommend), hardened steel planetary gears (pretty common), a wireless remote option (along with a cord), a very unique oversized hook, and a better brake system than the prior badland winches.
In this video, we take a look at this winch and do a few tests. We will test it out on the trails soon, and put it up to some real life tests, as well as see how long it lasts!
So far, it seems like a great option for those that want a well built winch at a fair price.
Here are some links to other winches, and some winching accessories.
Velcro Winch Line Chafe Guard: amzn.to/3dbcsqv
Smittybilt XRC Gen 3 9.5K Winch: amzn.to/2y98OPp
Warn VR EVO 12S: amzn.to/2KQ677X
Warn Zeon 12s: amzn.to/2VSG0Uf
Snatch Block For Angled Pulls, or Increasing Pulling Power: amzn.to/2Stx85j
Recovery Bumper Shackles: amzn.to/3d7I1BH

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@JKGearandGadgets 4 года назад

Quite a few people have asked what Cassie’s channel is, ru-vid.com/show-UCe97sOxRwtz6PTN_QGfIPBg And stay tuned for further Offroad testing videos! Either on her channel or this one. Thanks for watching!

@nickstinnett933 4 года назад

I am new to owning a Jeep i have a 2002 liberty 4×4 and i know nothing about lift kits what would you recommend?

@MicDropBBQ 4 года назад

Please subscribe to my Jeep channel! Going to add Cassie's channel too.

@fhuber7507 3 года назад

I put a 100 amp fuse at the battery for my winch. Overkill for my little winch. But if there's a dead short of the wiring it will blow the fuse right at the battery.

@josephsepulveda8819 3 года назад

After watching your video and everything I could find on the APEX winch this is the one I went with. I highly recommend getting the warranty. 👍🏼

@robertemmons2260 3 года назад

Ironically I've watched Cassie's LS swap video before I have even though of purchasing the Badlands 12,000# winch. Both her video on the LS swap and your video on the HF winch were great! Thank you for your out of the box install review!

@stephenhunter6507 2 года назад

Running the winch in the rain is great until you slip in the mud and lose your glasses only to find out a dilophosaurus is sitting in your passenger seat.

@wyatt1339 Месяц назад

Underrated comment 😂

@JosePerez-sj3mq Месяц назад

And lose your shaving cream

@user-lu9hq6jv4v 3 года назад

It is so cool watching you and your wife working with the tools! Thanks

@Zoro4rk 4 года назад

Love your videos! Extremely informative and really like that you test the product and give instant feedback. This is why I subscribed to you and reasons why you’re #1 in jeep parts reviewing IMO! 😁 Keep it up brotha!

@shanecummings5178 4 года назад

I’ve been looking at this winch for a bit. Thank you for making a video on it!

@hamboneva 4 года назад

I've had the Apex for several months and used it quite a bit with no problems.. I really like it so far.

@michael102 2 года назад

How is it after a year Chad?

@hamboneva 2 года назад

@@michael102 I still use it quite often and really like it and I have had zero problems.

@hansont821 3 года назад

Thanks for the review, I just bought one and looking forward to it. Love your channels, keep up the good work.

@steventrevino972 3 года назад

Thanks for reviewing. I just bought the Apex because my old HF Badlands 12000 started drawing power down from the battery. That winch was with me for 5 years and performed multiple life and equipment saving pulls over those years in the Rockies, Moab, and the Rubicon. So people can say what they want about badlands but I had one that paid itself off 100 fold and expect the Apex to perform well also. It comes with some very nice add ons in the box and feels like a great value. Like with any winch I hope to never need it but I’m confident it will perform when the time comes. As confident as I would be with any other new out of the box brand on the first few hard pulls, you just never know till you know.

@kraigkaiser1961 4 года назад

I mounted the Apex onto our Jeep back in February and used it extensively in February and it works well!!

@MrSnoop1987 3 года назад

I been waiting on someone to do a honest review on this witch thanks Ben.

@JEEPIMPACT 4 года назад

Thanks for the video, I just purchased one of these and I plan on installing it on the Gladiator when I get home in a few weeks.

@aprojectile4421 4 года назад

Finally. I’ve been looking at the apex since it came out. Thanks Ben

@jaimeherrerajr.3651 4 года назад

I had mine for 6 months now. Used it several time and it works really great honestly.

@YJKadventure 4 года назад

cowboy Herrera how much did you get it for? And how much did the protection plan cost you?

@Brahmb 3 года назад

This winch is PHENOMENAL!!! I have the 12k lb winch on my Gladiator. I used it first to help a buddy hoist a culvert into slide position for his son’s treehouse. Then I pulled a 6" diameter tree off a trail. Finally, I used it at least a dozen times to move through deep snow and turn the Gladiator around 180*. It pulls out easily, goes back on fine and more than easily handles the weight of the Gladiator.

@LetsDoThis321 3 года назад

Harbor Freight is going through a lot of changes lately hopefully they bring back some of the great coupon deals they use to have.

@rcmike09 3 года назад

499 this weekend

@edwrench4796 2 года назад

Prices will continue to rise on Chinese imports as they eliminate American competition.

@beborosa2210 2 года назад

@@michael102 thanks to Brandon 👍👍

@jaygilley2223 Год назад

Got mine for $475 lady month in Seattle

@joerivs80 4 года назад

I was just researching this winch two days ago. Looking at reviews, price comparison, etc. then this video popped up! Thank you. I think I’m sold. I have a Renegade Trailhawk and I think I’ll be getting this winch for it for sure.

@outdoorstudios2022 19 дней назад

Thanks for sharing, thank you Ron, from rural life with Ron for bringing me here.

@jairosendsit8667 4 года назад

I was literally gonna buy this thanks for review love the channel made sure to drop a like

@dannyeugenewaits9486 3 года назад

Great review! I've had mine for over a year now, many many uses during the time I purchased it and still working Great! Thank gawd I live in Montana! Never even noticed that their was a pandemic going on...the price you pay for living away from the crowds! Just the few of us and the coyotes roaming our wide open world!! Cheers!

@jimschmidt4089 4 года назад

I just picked up one of these a few months ago. Haven't had the chance to use it on the trails yet. Great to hear your opinions and thoughts on it. Thank you Ben for the international video. 😊👍

@evanbronstein3126 4 года назад

Like a few others, I just installed this winch. I got mine once I saw a 20% discount coupon. It’s a great deal and one that I couldn’t pass up. Fit my Poison Spyder stubby, recessed bumper perfectly. I opted to install the disconnect switch. On my 2017 JK there was an unused bolt hole along the side wall near the battery. Used it and a 3x3 SS angle to mount the switch.

@alfonsoovalle9055 4 года назад

Keep it going thank you for reviewing stuff for people with small to medium budget

@c4onmylip 4 года назад

I just picked one of these up a few weeks ago. The only thing I've winched so far was a Buddy's tacoma out of a deep mudhole on the lake bed out in Johnson Valley. It did the job with no drama hopefully it can do the same when I need to use it again.

@josephmcclure6229 4 года назад

Great job. Cant wait to see how it holds up.

@nathanwoodard7661 4 года назад

Can’t wait for the follow up video! Very curious to see if it last.

@kaoticmotorsports872 4 года назад

Thanks for the information. This is one of the winches I'm looking at putting on my Jeep Cherokee XJ when I get it ready for a winch.

@siklegend 4 года назад

I had a 9500 lbs badlands winch from 2016 for 3 years and it held up very nicely, took trees out of the road pulled huge trucks out of the ocean, pulled people out of the mud ect. And it never quit, I think badland winches are a little underrated just because of their price and that they don't come from an official offroad company.

@ebayturboproductions6133 4 года назад

Josh Drendel it’s funny because the older badlands from HF are identical rebranded smitybuilt winches

@franco4201 3 года назад

I used My Badlands winch every day pulled 5 car or better a day died after 3 years n I abused it every day pulled even what I shouldn't have been pulling. I'm replacing it with another one highly recommended it

@dieselram05 2 года назад

Mine lasted a year…barely used

@vincesmith764 Год назад

@@dieselram05 warn sucker

@UncleRayRayGarageEmporium 4 года назад

I was taught to always be watching the spool of the winch when pulling. It takes very little angle to get it to wind on one side of the spool and start to operate outside the proper diameter. If you are alone and have to use it the way you demonstrated, get out every 10 feet and check. Reset if needed.

@thebunkerhillboys 4 года назад

Pretty killer review ! In depth and a lot learned !!

@fbtippmann 4 года назад

Awesome dedication filming in the rain! I appreciated seeing the unboxing and test pull through the ditch. However, I think your comment about pulling up a grade was a bit misleading. The winch line wouldn't see the full weight of the vehicle until the vehicle was hanging vertically. Your points about pulling over rocks and out of deep mud were very accurate and the best reasons to buy what seems like an oversized winch. FWIW the doubling of line capacity with a snatch block does come with a halving of the speed. Better to be safe than fast!

@michaelhalstead64 4 года назад

Good video! Thanks dude. By the way, that front bumper on the LJ looks dope!!!

@bendayho 4 года назад

Thanks for the great video and thorough testing.

@roughpatchroad 4 года назад

Love my apex winch has gotten me out of multiple pinches already! Great winch reviewed it and thumbs up 👍🏽

@WaitWhat-jy9ck 4 года назад

Thanks for the review Ben. I've been researching winches and this really helped narrow my decision down. HF has really stepped up their game with the introduction of this series of winches. For its included features, that are options on other brands, that price out about three to four times the sale price of the Apex of $500. Even at the MSRP of $750. it's hard to beat. I think I'll take a chance with the Apex.

@WaitWhat-jy9ck 4 года назад

Web Dev does the Smittybuilt come as a 12,000 pound with synthetic line and a wireless (or wired) remote?

@jimmierpadgettjr 4 года назад

Great videos! On the power switch cut off... little story! We were at roush creek with our club from Connecticut and one of our members had a jk I was the vehicle right behind him and about 15 minutes into the morning trip he flexed on a trail and it started on fire! He had ran his positive cable between the radiator support support and frame... big fire but plenty of fire extinguishers and quick removal of positive terminal ending it... bad news was we had to pull him out! Fried his ECM... roush people connected him with a Jeep garage about an hour away and he was back on the trail with us on Saturday but a couple grand lighter🤦🏻‍♂️

@icdproductions 4 года назад

Thanks for hanging out in the rain for that test! 😆

@RidgeRunner304 4 года назад

Thanks Ben! This came out after I had picked up my SB winch, but I did just go grab the hook this winch comes with to replace my SB one!

@joecassara1870 4 года назад

Thanks for this. I have been looking at the HB Freight items.

@realbob6669 4 года назад

Thanks, great video. I would pit the battery cut-off in the hood, but turn it on before trial, part of being prepared.

@toddhoffmaster6057 4 года назад

That is a good looking and appears to be well built winch. I have used Badlands winches on my flatbed trailers and they always worked when they were needed to pull something up onto the trailer. As you stated earlier, inexpensive extended warranty and available in almost every city when/if needed.

@donwooton7460 4 года назад

Obs Ford crew cab short box I’ve had this winch since it came out works great the extra length of rope is very handy it’s pulled me off of some logs in the snow here in Michigan so far very happy with it

@ryananderson5552 4 года назад

i like the idea of using the moving blanket in your work space

@mistercamaro1 4 года назад

I have been curious about this winch. I wouldn't be afraid to run it. 👍🏽👍🏽💯

@alsmith1025 4 года назад

Thanks for making this video. Good stuff.

@dustyrieck7939 4 года назад

I agree that it needs a cover to protect the synthetic line from sunlight UV. Good value.

@bsideadventures2180 4 года назад

Thanks for another great video ben.

@holnugget 4 года назад

I no joke was looking to buy this today. There is a 20% off coupon and it seemed to have everything I would need. Thanks for posting the video!

@zandersmith6960 4 года назад

holnugget there was a 25% Mother’s Day coupon today! And I’m broke...

@sgg17003 4 года назад

Don't forget, you can add the coupons to the "everything off in the store" sales. That's how I buy Harbor Freight stuff.

@c4onmylip 4 года назад

I just bought one a few weeks ago with the coupon, It was only around 600 bucks with the 2 year, no questions asked warranty.

@consaka1 4 года назад

All the coupons I have seen exclude the winches.

@charlesgarner3288 3 года назад

I was not allowed to use my 20% coupon on this winch. Asked the manager and he said that I counldn't on any badland product. He even went a anounced it over the intercom.

@danielsmith7951 3 года назад

You did a good job showing that it really works

@connorrice630 4 года назад

I may need to get a Harbor freight winch that thing looks 🔥. Great Video Ben!

@PrinceOfEville 4 года назад

Didn't even need to watch, just liked it. Have been waiting for a real review on this for a while now! On a side note, it looks pretty dang similar to the warn china series.

@jakobwest4811 4 года назад

I was tempted to get this winch but I ended up getting the Smittybuilt X20 for a little cheaper. It is nice that the badland comes with a fairly thick fairlead, really helps with those angled pulls. It looks thicker than the factor 55 1.5" surprisingly.

@trevorrandall1609 4 года назад

I have it on my jku and it's pretty freaking nice and works every time i need it too

@SweatyCommando 4 года назад

ive always wanted to run a winch but honestly i just love the way my truck looks stock and dont wanna change the bumper to make it winch friendly. super informative video about this winch though

@jordannathanielballou2637 4 года назад

Great point with replacement and availability! I need a 12K for my Land Cruiser build and the price point is seriously tempting. Thanks!

@eeassa 4 года назад

Thumbs up for filming in the rain!

@markremillard5135 3 года назад

I bought one today thanks for the review I haven't heard anything bad yet about this winch it's been all good or great

@slipknot7424 3 года назад

The ultimate test is hooking it up in a tree and pulling the Jeep up of the ground, we hooked ours up to the bottom of a train bridge and pulled it completely off the ground, fun times. 👍🏻🇺🇸

@ryandavis4689 3 года назад

Would be badass to watch

@robertsonfamily2536 3 года назад

And pull the tree on to the Jeep...brilliant

@olivertaylor8788 2 года назад

Ha ha now thats one way to get hang time,bigg air.heck,just leave it way up there,they make good bird houses.

@recnepsgnitnarb6530 3 года назад

I had a Bandlands 12K pound winch on my Suburban. Worked great, never an issue with it.

@kraigkaiser1961 4 года назад

Like said before, just turn on the power disconnect switch when you hit the trail. I think it's a great to to have in line to the winch.

@joedavis8072 4 года назад

Got the same on my Rubicon JL. It's a beast. Pulled a F-150 out the mud couple weeks back, not one issue. I wired mine to my aux switch too. I didn't Iike the battery switch either.

@foihdzas 4 года назад

Great information here Ben. I am in the market for a winch, and the Warn VR Evo 10 was my pick, but seeing this may change my mind. Both made in china... I'm looking forward to another review once the world situation changes.

@Nexflyer31 4 года назад

I just put this on my JT - with a Venator bumper and I love it!

@adamaldinger6960 4 года назад

If only there was a Harbor Frieght near me in Anchorage, Alaska. Looks like a good package for not a bad price

@bersonlee 4 года назад

Great video!! BTW, what kind of video camera did you use to shoot this?

@jkDLux1 3 года назад

Had the old badlands winch for 4 years now, works great. Just have to let it cool down after 30 seconds. Its pulled me out 4 times and is totally worth it

@timwatkins3828 4 года назад

5:00 in: and I did that exact same thing yesterday with a nut into the body of the Jeep with the doors off, had to remove rock slider, and 4 bolts from the front quarter panel to get it out.

@thead10 4 года назад

If it was me, it would still be there!

@ShowMeAdventuring 4 года назад

I’ve been running Badlands for a while now. On my second Jeep with one. Love it. Has never let me down. Pulled stumps with it on a WJ.

@stevenhorsefield2909 4 года назад

Same here I have the 12000k. It's never let me down why pay more for this fancy version when the Badlands does just as good.

@OverlandCitrus 4 года назад

I have this same winch I love it works great for my needs and it looks great

@waynehamilton5248 4 года назад

I have one of these on my 2019 JLU Rubicon. Haven’t used on trails yet. But it looks impressive.

@brianglave539 2 года назад

2 things about the battery disconnect switch. I think Steven Toronto's comment probably explains why it was included. Previous winches started to draw power from the battery, then this is a cheap work around. I also think the disconnect would be very useful for those that mount this on a trailer. You can hook the winch to its own deep cycle battery and disconnect the battery when it's not in use.

@danarteritano1340 4 года назад

I have this winch, like you said they set the bar high with the waterproof rating and line speed. It was an easy install. I did some tests and it works great. HF has coupons all the time so you could get it for $500-600.

@andrewk8636 4 года назад

What coupons? I never see any that work on the apex winch

@troyblume51 Год назад

Yep. I used a 25% off yesterday. OTD price, $526

@scottdaniels2877 9 месяцев назад

I got one yesterday, $480 with a 20 percent off coupon.

@tbornman89 4 года назад

Definitely been looking at doing an upgrade soon.

@nicklorusso1024 4 года назад

Nice review. Thank you

@norsefalconer 4 года назад

My experience with HF is that I get either a Wednesday built tool, or a Friday built tool.

@Rick_Sanchez_C137_ 4 года назад

Norsefalconer Meaning great design with inconsistent (or no) Quality Control....

@charleswright86 4 года назад

@Oskar Dirlewanger and NO Margaritta Mondays or taco Tuesdays!

@Colorado-overland2020 4 года назад

Thank you, I’m definitely buying it

@bogotstogoskiing 4 года назад

What. That is a good deal! I really like the bracket cables to mount the control box elsewhere. I picked up a Smittybilt last year and had to make everything myself. Wasn't a huge deal but that's definitely a nice touch.

@VictorVectorJKU 4 года назад

Good review Ben! I never really considered the badlands series winch from hearing bad reviews about the earlier generations. I will be interested if you do a review in a year after using it a good amount!

@tommybomber 3 года назад

People always badmouth anything that is harbor freight. My dad's had the 12k badlands on his tj for a couple years now. I've been considering one for my dodge dakota.

@VictorVectorJKU 3 года назад

Thomas Mcmullen I was in a pinch and needed to throw a winch on my jeep and ended up picking one up. I’ve used it twice now and it has gotten the job done so I have no complaints so far. And it it nice all the extra components it comes with!

@rogerlehr7991 3 года назад

Thomas Mcmullen Not sure but I heard Warn makes those

@jagers4xford471 3 года назад

I have a badlands 12K winch on my Bronco, I love it. Unlike what wizbang saying them being unreliable, I've never had it fail me, not like my friend's superwinch. In fact I pulled his Jeep out of a swamp only two weeks ago. The Badlands winch pulled so hard on the 16K rope, it shredded the internals of the rope. Buy a badlands winch, you won't regret it.

@haloprogabriel 4 года назад

Bought this winch a couple of months ago. Love it. Wanted to run something different and love the color scheme of it aswell. Not a fan of the looks of the Warn. Payed $500 for this when it was on sale regular price is $749 and comes with a lot of stuff.

@mguerrero8787 4 года назад

Love that wireless control

@kertiszman 3 года назад

Another great video brother!! I have been thinking about getting this badlands to put on my gladiator but I also like warn 10,000lb. It’s just cheaper for the 12,000lb badlands. After having both...which would you buy for gladiator??

@dorsk84 4 года назад

I have the previous version on this. I had to change the grease in the planetary gears, and seal up the control box. I had to get the remote separate, and get a cover for it. Now I need to contemplate getting one of these new ones. And after all of that. It's still a beast. I have literally pulled a small sunk boat out of the pond I live on.

@brucehirsch5437 4 года назад

@ well. You obviously knew what he meant though. And I am willing to bet so will/has everyone else who read his comment.

@brucehirsch5437 4 года назад

I have the older model too. The non APEX one. How did you seal up the control box? Thought it was already sealed?

@dorsk84 4 года назад

@ Yes. That's what I ment.

@dorsk84 4 года назад

@@brucehirsch5437 The bottom of the control box had these little "drain holes". And the top and bottom had no gasket between the halves. So....RTV to the rescue. Filled the narrow channel where the two halves met with RTV, let it set. Then screwed them together. The holes where covered with small pieces of Flex Tape (that stuff is ridiculously good). I also put in a high grade grease into the gears, cause the stuff it came with was a joke.

@c4onmylip 4 года назад

@ Damn dude, don't suffocate on the smell of your own farts there.

@autoblog3922 4 года назад

I put it on my JLU with an arcus front bumper and this winch is huge! Had to squeeze it in. It seems to be built well.

@ojbarberena7090 3 года назад

Time for an update on this winch. Thanks

@DR-rk4qu 3 года назад

When I had a winch on my XJ, I had the winch power hooked up to a solenoid that could handle the amp load. I could turn the power on and off from a switch inside the vehicle. In case there was wreck I didn’t want all that current being live.

@fredwolf327 4 года назад

It looks like a winner, and it performs very good , the winch looks great and as most people only use a winch once in a while it should last a long time. Harbor Freight has a great design and a complete package with all of the options available. I would give it a try if I needed another winch

@Mad_Alx 3 года назад

Question, what bracket did you use to mount the silver badlands plate onto the winch? Thanks for the great video.

@mrpw1402 4 года назад

I have it on my TJ. works great no issues. Saved my but countess times

@twistedfireman 2 года назад

Are you going to do a long term review video on that winch ? That would be so cool !

@bobvedder2451 2 года назад

That power disconnect might be a good antitheft device for the jeep itself. Hide the cutoff somewhere you can access easily, but not in plain view.

@asperbergers7136 4 года назад

@11:40 Ahh Chaffing gear, we used much larger ones in the Navy on our mooring lines.

@sbcbaits994 3 года назад

Shut up, shoe.

@asperbergers7136 3 года назад

@@sbcbaits994 Why would I listen to a polywog?

@jameschrisdavis 3 года назад

They make large 12v fuses or even circuit breakers for marine /rv applications. You do not need to isolate the battery with a switch in order to be safe in the event of a grounded wire.

@scottmccook8484 Год назад

Awesome video bro

@jerrycagle7565 2 года назад

Great job,will those also bolt on the enclosed winch bumpers,like for the Tacoma??

@etomlinson11 4 года назад

Works good, buddy got it on his xj. I got stuck in 3 foot of snow and my jk is very heavy, have exo roof rack and rtt xl. He pulled me out. No problem

@Mauser1965 4 года назад

With a different perspective... Having a higher rated winch makes sense, as over time as this units operating temperature might go up over time. No different than choosing a 3/8" inch breaker, or using a 1/2" inch breaker which is heavier plus longer making it easier to loosen things up. I'm undecided if I'm going to install another secondary (AGM) battery in a '89 XJ project which I have to decide if it's easier to do a rear bumper install, with an isolator and heavy fuses at both ends for safety. I also have a 2k watt inverter which one can use 120v 8A devices, such as my Kobalt 1/2 corded impact wrench and other such light duty tools anywhere. Watched this while drinking some coffee waiting for a break in the rain to do more Jeep maintenance, though I'd rather be out on the trail as the fair weather people stay home to complain about the rain here in Washington State. Thank you for the content coverage, as the project only has the dash and front seats installed and everything else has been stripped out with no rushing a completion time. So for seeing this at this moment is perfect as I am doing all my own work.

@davidcox2197 2 года назад

That LJ is awesome with its new engine. Makes me want one. Badlands winch seems very adequate perhaps even overkill for that rig.

@hectorserrano7703 4 года назад

I've been looking at this winch for a while and all the reviews seem to be very good.

@jmjl1994 4 года назад

I've had a badlands ZXR 12000 on my jeep and have actually used it more than I thought I would have. Never had one issue out of it except for the time that I pulled the cable completely out but that was 100% due to operator error.

@Mtg_MoBrocks 4 года назад

jmjl1994 so I was looking at the zxr 12000 > the apex because of price and steel cable. How’s the water proofing on the xzr and do you prefer the steel cable I think I would? The only thing I like about the apex is the water proofing and wireless remote but I don’t think that’s worth the extra $300 if you’re saying the zxr 12k is decent.

@jmjl1994 4 года назад

@@Mtg_MoBrocks I havent had it submerged or anything but it's been used in pretty heavy rain and cold temperatures and hasn't had any issues yet. As for the cable, I like it so far. I havent had one with rope yet so I cant really compare the two. Everytime I use it though, I always clean it up when i get home and make sure that I respool it "correctly" (which basically I hook it up to a car and pull it up the hill to me) but that's more of me being a bit of a perfectionist but it also let's me inspect the entire cable so I know it's good to go the next time I need it.

@Mtg_MoBrocks 4 года назад

jmjl1994 perfect I think I’m going to go with the zxr 12k it’s $200 less and it says there is a wireless remote also.