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Sometimes, the best way a game of Magic on a $100 budget is by not really playing Magic at all...
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@michaelsparks1571
@michaelsparks1571 10 месяцев назад
I still find it so funny that dredging a bigger number was believed to be the DOWNSIDE of the card during balance testing, yet it's now the only text on the card that even matters.
@bananalord3882
@bananalord3882 10 месяцев назад
I've never heard that, but it doesn't seem super likely, considering golgari grave troll (a rare) has the highest dredge cost.
@poiri
@poiri 10 месяцев назад
@@bananalord3882it has the highest dredge cost because it has the best body by far.
@michaelsparks1571
@michaelsparks1571 10 месяцев назад
A higher dredge number was intended to mean you can't rebuy the card as many times in a game (and even less if you're rebuying other dredge cards too), or you're more likely to mill other non-dredge cards you might have wanted. The idea was that you can get them back, but over the course of a game, you'd eventually deck yourself/run out of other threats.
@jakedoe698
@jakedoe698 10 месяцев назад
@@bananalord3882 Well the important thing to note about troll is that it gets +1/+1 counters equal to creatures in graveyard and the ability to regenerate itself.
@Martin-qb2mw
@Martin-qb2mw 10 месяцев назад
they probably played Ravnica block during testing which didn't have these non-dredge cards that make the deck broken.
@Suspinded
@Suspinded 10 месяцев назад
Reminder : Just because it's not a typically preferred style of Magic, Dredge is still Magic. Unpopular Opinion : Dredge is the epitome of what Magic as a system is capable of. It's a strategy that is strong, attacks at a unique angle, and also has metagame solutions that flatten it.
@henrye3935
@henrye3935 10 месяцев назад
Dredge vs Affinity made me happy. I felt like it was 2015.
@Zerothas
@Zerothas 10 месяцев назад
And then Dredge vs Tron right after! What year is it?
@rpglover5955
@rpglover5955 10 месяцев назад
For future reference: Leyline of sanctity would have been a ok card to bring in against Relic/Tormod's crypt because both of the cards have : "Target player exiles a card/ their graveyard" on them, meaning you would fizzle that mode (in the case of karns getting tormod's crypt they wouldn't be able to hit you with it) and it giving you hexproof means they have to deal with it before your graveyard (outside of cracking relic that is). I know it is commonly used as anti discard, but it works against certain graveyard hate effects as well
@Gonzplays
@Gonzplays 10 месяцев назад
I really just sideboard in white and black leylines all the time in most of my decks
@Duall8
@Duall8 10 месяцев назад
I don't think Hexproof against Relic matters much when you fill your graveyard up so quickly and the targeted mode only gets one card per turn cycle.
@brewsipper73
@brewsipper73 10 месяцев назад
@@Duall8 Yeah that mixed with O stone makes me not side in leyline when I am playing dredge. Other decks like murktide or scam on the otherhand
@cooperburnham2359
@cooperburnham2359 10 месяцев назад
It says uploaded Sep 25, 2023 but playing Affinity, Tron, Mill clearly shows that this is actually from 2013
@danewirostek1903
@danewirostek1903 9 месяцев назад
Those decks are all still viable and played commonly??
@cooperburnham2359
@cooperburnham2359 9 месяцев назад
@danewirostek1903 if you ignore that in all major events, tron and affinity can't crack the top 16 and mill is just a noshow entirely
@chadcload1349
@chadcload1349 3 месяца назад
😂
@benjiboy1337
@benjiboy1337 10 месяцев назад
Conflagrate is important to have in the deck basically always, because it changes your 12 points of non-attacking damage with Creeping Chill, into 18 points (because it's not all that hard to get 6 cards in hand dredging), which turns janky Narcomoeba beats into the crucial last points of damage to win. In any game where attacking isn't reliable, it's vital to have access to Conflagrate.
@jamesbob7553
@jamesbob7553 10 месяцев назад
SETH! You should do a chaotic transformation deck because we can now create token creatures, artifacts, and enchantments with instants and sorceries. Please?
@Frostgiantbutsmall
@Frostgiantbutsmall 10 месяцев назад
Hasn't that been one of the best modern decks for the past year?
@Goblinking315
@Goblinking315 10 месяцев назад
@@Frostgiantbutsmall that’s Indomitable Creativity, which is also in pioneer, along with basic Transmogrify decks in pioneer. Chaotic Transformation is from Dominaria United, standard legal, and would have the best shot in that format since the cards OP referred to are all in standard right now
@c.thissell8751
@c.thissell8751 10 месяцев назад
I love the idea! I have been experimenting with that card and it is really really hard to play no creatures and get role tokens on things. Still getting artifact enchantment is decent, and getting creature artifact is as powerful as ever
@Goblinking315
@Goblinking315 10 месяцев назад
@@c.thissell8751 is it possible to attach cursed roles to your opponents creatures easily? I haven’t experimented with roles, but that’s the route I feel like I would go? You still own the token aura, but you still run into the issue of control/ creature lite decks
@christophernelson1334
@christophernelson1334 10 месяцев назад
I love dredge. The amount is times I've managed to sneak a win with a hard cast stinkweed imp is amazing😂
@Grombrindal
@Grombrindal 10 месяцев назад
Stinkweed Imp is the best card in the deck
@pablito12sc
@pablito12sc 10 месяцев назад
a man of good taste.
@headhunterhades3816
@headhunterhades3816 10 месяцев назад
Dredge and Living End are both decks that constantly cycle in and out of being Modern’s boogie men, and as a person who loves both decks I find it hilarious
@keithbarlow9701
@keithbarlow9701 10 месяцев назад
I remember a year ago ppl were making fun of Living End, then it pops back up at tier 1 like a month later 😂
@FootOfDOOM
@FootOfDOOM 10 месяцев назад
Losing with either of the decks? Just wait a few months, people have short memories.
@zarathos888
@zarathos888 10 месяцев назад
I'm suprised these deck archtypes never found a way to integrate a back up plan. A lot of decks in magic have plan B's but dredge has remained largely the same. This and artifact decks seem to be the decks wizards actually balance properly due to major past errors. Though hoggak was recent enough.
@jfostr0
@jfostr0 10 месяцев назад
Dredge recently got me into playing modern with a similar budget list so this is awesome to see! Also much love for the Amigo shirt!
@theopreston8507
@theopreston8507 10 месяцев назад
id love a series on classic modern decks that you normally wouldnt get a chance to see-- like, we havent seen infect in a while and it could be cool to see you try that out in the new modern format! edit: i forgot about Fury actually
@HeWhoSlayethCain
@HeWhoSlayethCain 10 месяцев назад
I've steadily adapted my old Gri-Shoal-Brand deck as the years have passed and banning have happened.
@jakecollin5499
@jakecollin5499 10 месяцев назад
@@HeWhoSlayethCain That deck was so much fun to play
@owithalineybutitsupsidedow923
@owithalineybutitsupsidedow923 6 месяцев назад
don't have to worry about fury any more!
@ToBeardOrNotToBeard
@ToBeardOrNotToBeard 10 месяцев назад
The reverse flawless victory deserves much more attention IMO
@colecarmichael5724
@colecarmichael5724 10 месяцев назад
Hearing bear pant the entire time is so cute and great video! Modern is by far the most diverse and fun format I can’t believe dredge still performs this well with mh and mh2 running the show
@tonsofsodium6641
@tonsofsodium6641 10 месяцев назад
Can't even play Grave Troll because 6 is just too many cards
@colecarmichael5724
@colecarmichael5724 10 месяцев назад
@@tonsofsodium6641 that’s cracked
@soiherdyoulikemudkip
@soiherdyoulikemudkip 10 месяцев назад
Seth being an Amigo the Devil fan is so on brand. Can’t wait to see Amigo in a few weeks
@TheREALTheRealAdam
@TheREALTheRealAdam 10 месяцев назад
Remember when Shriekhorn was a 4-of staple in dredge? Good times.
@TheMCGamer2012
@TheMCGamer2012 10 месяцев назад
is it not?
@jakecollin5499
@jakecollin5499 10 месяцев назад
@@TheMCGamer2012 as far as i know it was just a an attempt to replace faithless looting but it never really panned out. Its a solid choice but turns out theres better options.
@WitherFang
@WitherFang 10 месяцев назад
@@jakecollin5499 No, Shriekhorn was in Dredge alongside Faithless Looting because they didn't have Cathartic Reunion at that time if I recall.
@luisfelipesantos379
@luisfelipesantos379 10 месяцев назад
I love this deck!!! ❤
@OGNoNameNobody
@OGNoNameNobody 10 месяцев назад
Wow. Dredge is on _Bugdet Magic_ ... How did we get to this timeline?
@davidhansen5067
@davidhansen5067 7 месяцев назад
I knew a guy who played Dredge in every format a few years ago, and it turns out that the cards that are incredible in Dredge are usually stone-unplayable in any other deck, especially if your build isn't running Life from the Loam, so the nonlands are surprisingly cheap.
@MindstabThrull
@MindstabThrull 10 месяцев назад
Don't forget that you can cast Darkblast on your upkeep, dredge it on your Draw step, and then cast it again later in the turn to kill an X/2. I've played both Modern Tron and Legacy Dredge, and historically at least, I found Tormod's Crypt to be a lot like Fog - it'll stop you for now but only for now, compared to Leyline of the Void which is much more urgent to deal with. Dealing with Crypt and Relic of Progenitus both is a lot though :) In the last match we saw basically a monored burn deck with Sacred Foundry game 1. With nothing else to go on, I would be tempted to sideboard in Duress and Wear//Tear: the number one sideboard answer I can think of out of white would be Rest in Peace, and they still have artifact hate (Tormod's Crypt et al). Not sold on Ancient Grudge here - Wear//Tear gives you the flexibility you need to take out any graveyard removal, and if you lose game 2 you can bring in Ancient Grudge if they seem to be relying on artifact hate.
@evaman0182
@evaman0182 10 месяцев назад
that mill player was definitely having an Anakin moment yelling out "what have i done?"
@jaysonhanna8075
@jaysonhanna8075 10 месяцев назад
He had so many hands that could have just drawn and discarded the dredger turn 1 instead of mull. Could have gone the no land dredge route.
@JNDDS1
@JNDDS1 10 месяцев назад
Seth forgot that reverse flawless victory with mono red prowess (with fireblast) in legacy x)
@Alexander-rk4cu
@Alexander-rk4cu 10 месяцев назад
Nice to see dregde again. Now that you are doing it, could we see a redo/update to the old manaless dregde (against the odds) deck? Im not sure, but i think that deck did get some new playthings.
@erysecret
@erysecret 10 месяцев назад
It's mostly just the same exact deck except instead of flayer of the hate bound>gravetroll>flame kin zealot You just get back thassas oracle Exact same deck besides that
@7deuc2e38
@7deuc2e38 10 месяцев назад
Yay finally a video for a format I actually care about
@zorro-tramposo2652
@zorro-tramposo2652 10 месяцев назад
I realize I've been playing this deck minus the dredge for months on the arena, and it's by favorite deck of all time. Maybe I'll get into modern lol
@rambulance6241
@rambulance6241 10 месяцев назад
Love it
@TheMCGamer2012
@TheMCGamer2012 10 месяцев назад
1:01:30 imagine Seth's reaction if opponent played Mana Tithe!
@ruesifus
@ruesifus 10 месяцев назад
Have you tried dredge with Harth Elemental?
@zacharyvega233
@zacharyvega233 10 месяцев назад
With the amigo the devil shirt!!!!!!
@winssports4830
@winssports4830 10 месяцев назад
This is exactly how i feel about modern atm. Thats why i built 12 bogles that's just all in on a 1 drop with auras that cant be targeted (theres a new one drop with ward 2 thats close enough to be a Bogle) and Lightpaws answer my two drop or die. Its just built around getting a broken 2 drop down and throwing a canopy cover on it and killing them. Even built a legacy version (surprisingly does better but theres a key tech called Lashknife that lets mr protect light paws for free the turn it comes down.)
@colecarmichael5724
@colecarmichael5724 10 месяцев назад
List? This sounds fun!
@winssports4830
@winssports4830 10 месяцев назад
@colecarmichael5724 which one lol I kinda talked about 3 different decks in my comment. All in bogles or all in 2 drop auras? Or the legacy build?
@colecarmichael5724
@colecarmichael5724 10 месяцев назад
@@winssports4830 12 bogles!
@guigst3r923
@guigst3r923 10 месяцев назад
@@winssports4830 we want the 3 versions :D
@kapperkai27
@kapperkai27 10 месяцев назад
Both modern ones, plz. 😅
@HeWhoSlayethCain
@HeWhoSlayethCain 10 месяцев назад
I've been playing a Dredgeless Dredge very similar to this in Historic. It either explodes or fizzled. There's no in-between.
@pkspadoosh5275
@pkspadoosh5275 10 месяцев назад
What decklist are you using? I'm really interested in trying it if you're willing to share
@HeWhoSlayethCain
@HeWhoSlayethCain 10 месяцев назад
I'm at work at the moment, but when I get a chance I'll share it.
@HeWhoSlayethCain
@HeWhoSlayethCain 10 месяцев назад
@pkspadoosh5275 Deck 4 Stitcher's Supplier (M19) 121 2 Mire Triton (THB) 105 4 Desecrated Tomb (M19) 230 4 Creeping Chill (GRN) 66 4 Corpse Churn (IKO) 81 4 Silversmote Ghoul (M21) 122 2 Ashiok, Dream Render (WAR) 228 4 Grisly Salvage (RTR) 165 2 Mountain (NEO) 300 2 Swamp (NEO) 297 2 Forest (NEO) 301 4 Woodland Cemetery (DAR) 248 4 Blooming Marsh (KLR) 280 2 Ox of Agonas (THB) 147 4 Overgrown Tomb (GRN) 253 2 Fabled Passage (M21) 246 2 Blood Crypt (RNA) 245 4 Prized Amalgam (SIR) 240 4 Bloodghast (IMA) 82 It's no perfect list, and some are just pet cards I want to work, like Desecrated Tomb, but it's fun enough.
@Nopenotyou
@Nopenotyou 10 месяцев назад
Hmm once a long time ago I had started work on an Ichorid Dredge deck, and a lot of the money cards here I already have…
@TheMCGamer2012
@TheMCGamer2012 10 месяцев назад
wooo! Modern time :D
@matthewjecelin8358
@matthewjecelin8358 10 месяцев назад
I picked up the deck on moto and gave it a run and most people just scooped in game 1 after seeing s dredge card because they dont main deck graveyard hate lmao
@09nickdenis
@09nickdenis 10 месяцев назад
Fun video even though I find dredge a tad annoying. I'm curious, is there a reason you wouldn't bring in duress game 2 against vs affinity? You mentioned wanting to stop graveyard hate would that not be a good way to do it?
@Duall8
@Duall8 10 месяцев назад
A lot of artifact Gravehate is 0 or 1 mana and Affinity's on the play, so there's a high chance it's already in play before Seth gets a turn with the opponent having it hand as it happens in the game. G3 there's a much stronger argument to play it.
@user-gp1ji1no6i
@user-gp1ji1no6i 10 месяцев назад
I loved dredge, i realize it was hated, but its just such a different way to play magic. And I am a monster.
@chillingcapybara8528
@chillingcapybara8528 3 месяца назад
19:15 Dredge Darkblast kill Ballista maybe?
@brewsipper73
@brewsipper73 10 месяцев назад
31:05 the classic put a land on top, dredge it away
@j2212325
@j2212325 10 месяцев назад
"lets cut the last merchant" *cuts a prized amalgun
@3rdtimesacharm84
@3rdtimesacharm84 10 месяцев назад
12:16 - Can't you just target the same stinkweed for both draw replacement effects? It was legal to do that many years ago when I used to play a deck with Stinkweed in it
@sutfolsemaj
@sutfolsemaj 10 месяцев назад
No, it's not in your graveyard after the first draw to choose again for the second. Each draw happens sequentially. I don't think this was ever a possibility
@catdreaming6004
@catdreaming6004 10 месяцев назад
Dredge doesn't target at all; When you replace drawing a card with using the Dredge effect of a card in your graveyard, the card who's replacement effect was used is put back into your hand as part of the replacement effect resolving.
@3rdtimesacharm84
@3rdtimesacharm84 10 месяцев назад
@@catdreaming6004 thanks! Yeah I checked the rulings and you are correct, they specifically made rulings since I used it last many many years ago lol 🤣
@Chuubii
@Chuubii 10 месяцев назад
No chests?😢
@sarge0099
@sarge0099 10 месяцев назад
What is he playing on?
@tianruixiao9239
@tianruixiao9239 10 месяцев назад
Good showcase of matches, some of the matchups were really funny, why did you choose to do some 2-p queues along with the league in the video? I was wondering if there were some non-games, but then again you are playing dredge so all of them are non-games :P
@zirilan3398
@zirilan3398 10 месяцев назад
Hot take: Dredge is more actual Magic than BR-Scam
@ironbird673
@ironbird673 10 месяцев назад
Probably won't take but shrine clones?
@jackl8025
@jackl8025 10 месяцев назад
55:00 Bear panting
@JT-91
@JT-91 10 месяцев назад
seth as a long time dredge player you want to really avoid disrupting your combo when sideboarding....
@samueldavidson6502
@samueldavidson6502 10 месяцев назад
Is MTGO always showing animations at ~2 FPS or has Seth's computer just fallen behind?
@gaivscaesar
@gaivscaesar 10 месяцев назад
i thought it was just me lol
@47Mortuus
@47Mortuus 10 месяцев назад
1st play of the game and already a mistake... YOU ALWAYS OTHERWORLDLY GAZE ON YOUR TURN because of Creeping Chill + Silversmote Ghoul
@pascalraskal9347
@pascalraskal9347 10 месяцев назад
Could we see a normal list played
@Flashpoint-xe2gb
@Flashpoint-xe2gb 10 месяцев назад
Dredge is definitely still playing Magic haha
@SilverAlex92
@SilverAlex92 10 месяцев назад
I love dredge. Like is such a dumb deck full of horrible jank like creeping chill, narcomebas and the like, and yet its one of the strongest deck ever if your opponent doesnt has graveyard hate xD
@stimpacks
@stimpacks 10 месяцев назад
*screams in horror*
@bigwig8657
@bigwig8657 10 месяцев назад
As Richard Garfield intended.
@TMidander
@TMidander 10 месяцев назад
*happy bear noises*
@briankuczynski6884
@briankuczynski6884 10 месяцев назад
Why doesn't dredge play Wonder?
@ankhi3585
@ankhi3585 10 месяцев назад
This budget list has 0 islands.
@Perricore
@Perricore 10 месяцев назад
Needs moar Gaak.
@Atmapalazzo
@Atmapalazzo 10 месяцев назад
Modern decks don't really interact with the graveyard game one. Meanwhile, standard decks have insane amounts of graveyard hate main deck.
@blacksquadmtg8584
@blacksquadmtg8584 9 месяцев назад
Leyline of sanctity stops relic
@petrie911
@petrie911 10 месяцев назад
Your anti-graveyard hate seems focused around artifact destruction, but that doesn't really work on one-time use hate like Tormod's Crypt, Relic, and Soul-Guide Lantern. Makes me think Trickbind or Tale's End could be useful here. Lets you stop those as well as ETBs like Bojuka Bog or Endurance, and they have additional uses like stifling a cascade trigger or countering an Ugin activation (or Ugin himself for Tale's End).
@joshua_lee732
@joshua_lee732 5 месяцев назад
I wouldnt board out any dredgers since you dont have gravetroll in modern. Game 3 against tron is proof of this. Every time you went to sideboard you over dilute the deck and you suffer for it. A classic dredge strat is actually to sometimes just not even sideboard for game 2 and wait and find out exactly what your opponent brings. I would trim on the support carts before I board out a dredger. Unlessmyou encounter a ga!e where darkblastmis garaunteed to never have a legal target (hence why I ould rather playnlife from the loam as a 3 of with 1 darkblast)
@-homerow-
@-homerow- 10 месяцев назад
I love not playing magic!!!
@-homerow-
@-homerow- 10 месяцев назад
For real tho, these kinds of decks are so fun!
@Malisteen
@Malisteen 4 месяца назад
I enjoyed dredge as it was intended back in original ravnica block, with savra and shambling shells, dredging darkblast & modervine for their actual effects. But what it's become in the woder game is just an abomination. At this point any card with a dredge above 2 just needs to be banned.
@smelltank
@smelltank 10 месяцев назад
Unban Hogaak!
@briankuczynski6884
@briankuczynski6884 10 месяцев назад
Million dollar dredge; you pay the right bribes to unban GGT the day before decklists are due
@thevaultwalrus
@thevaultwalrus 10 месяцев назад
Wait Dredge is good That’s never been a thing They never banned unbanned and banned a card because of Dredge (This is joke)
@CianWolffensperger
@CianWolffensperger 9 месяцев назад
How did you manage to run into all these unpopular decks? affinity, burn, mill... even tron and living end aren't very popular in leagues.
@Shnoblr
@Shnoblr 10 месяцев назад
Please please please play eldrazi Tron it’s really fun and good
@ThatoneGuy-zd4rl
@ThatoneGuy-zd4rl 10 месяцев назад
It’s actually the opposite - the secret to magic is not playing modern. Wizards has made it a shit show at every turn since it’s inception from old extended.
@user-lm9li4ny3j
@user-lm9li4ny3j 10 месяцев назад
Just play bazaar Seth, this is painful to watch
@BrunoNunes83
@BrunoNunes83 10 месяцев назад
unban grave troll wotc cowards
@jamesrule1338
@jamesrule1338 10 месяцев назад
A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?
@Banchetph
@Banchetph 10 месяцев назад
It is hard to watch this format
@KnicKnac
@KnicKnac 10 месяцев назад
$100 is a budget?
@stephenrowan8128
@stephenrowan8128 10 месяцев назад
Stop scooping at 20 health.
@Frostgiantbutsmall
@Frostgiantbutsmall 10 месяцев назад
No point in playing if your opponent has a boardstate you can't possibly come back from, just a waste of time
@stephenrowan8128
@stephenrowan8128 10 месяцев назад
@@Frostgiantbutsmall That takes a lot of assumptions. Play your best game and make them earn it.
@doppelganger5328
@doppelganger5328 10 месяцев назад
​@@stephenrowan8128what game are you referring to? If it was game 3 against tron it didn't matter that Seth was at 26 that game was over
@stephenrowan8128
@stephenrowan8128 10 месяцев назад
@@doppelganger5328If it is really that determinitive and the opponent isn't deliberately wasting time, then a honorable player will let it play out. It won't take long.
@Il_Dilettante
@Il_Dilettante 10 месяцев назад
​@@stephenrowan8128no true Scotsman has ever conceded on magic online!
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