Employers want to remain cold and business-like while they expect their employees to be personally and emotionally invested. That is a text-book case of an abusive relationship.
One time I got laid off, the manager doing the layoff was reading me the terms from his phone. It’s shocking how easily people will remove one’s source of income and livelihood from another human being.
The moment I realized everything my father told me "be loyal to your employer, always give two weeks notice, work hard for the company and they will reward you" was a lie was when he was laid off after 25 years at a company, told to pack his things and escorted out by security because the company wanted to get his salary off the books the day before the new fiscal season started. Corporations don't care about you.
It wasn't a "lie" when he started, things just changed. Between employees jumping ship at a whim for better offers and bean counters given increasing power, loyalty became a thing of the past.
@@bigtimepimpin666 That's sad, but unfortunately the way of the world for as long as history records. People can signal virtue by talking and by doing charitable things for others to see, but at the end of it, all of those people are looking out for their own. It's not something we can change in people because it's innate. Some are more brazen than others, some disguise it better than others, but everyone's trying to look out for themselves. And rightfully so. Most aren't out to put one over on others, just to get ahead. But occasionally some are blatant and mean. So don't feel bad in knowing this; instead, use it to your advantage in negotiating. "Here's what I can do for you, and here's what I require from you in exchange." "And if you agree, let's get it in writing, sign the contract, and be subject to penalties if either party reneges." That keeps everybody on the level while looking out for their own interests. Cheers, and yeah, good you got out of that mess before it did you in!
@@elgringoec the point of this video is that employee loyalty has disappeared because employers don't provide any long term incentives. Actually in my experience, I've stayed at the same companies for years and never been given a significant raise unless I changed employers to get it.
@@carochan86 that rings a bell my new manager who started a year ago mentioned several times in our 1v1 meeting "I'm here for you, I can be your friend, mentor, etc." and I thought this is a dangerous slippery slope I can fall into because trusting him could lead to giving him ammunition. Since he's new to the company he has no stake in the company and little influence to improve my teams workload and support we need but rather he's in a position to fulfil his boss and upper management goals while advancing his own career than truly "be my friend who would look out for me..." My previous manager was with the company for almost 20 years and fought tooth and nail for my team and so I already knew the red flags to look out for when the new guy came in and I caught onto his motives as my team kept taking on additional support with lack of training or escalation paths for newer techs and gaslit us in a team meeting that its good for us. I already don't like the direction my employer IT department is going and I'm planning an exit strategy
lol HR was nowhere to be seen when the CEO at a company I used to work for was held hostage at gunpoint by a disgruntled employee who managed to get a pistol past security...
I am a manager and was asked to let go one of my employees fighting stage 4 cancer. I slowed played that process until, goid bless her she passed from her disease, seriously wtf? Let's layoff a lady at the end of her life going through the battle of her life for well ...reasons... I was told I put my career in jeopardy by my moves but I have no regrets.
When my wife was 18 she worked as a server at a buffet. A 30 year old man started seating himself in my wife's section every night and slowly developed a para social stalking relationship with her. He would constantly ask her out, bring her gifts, and even wait in the parking lot after her shifts. This man's elderly mother would even come into the buffet to harass my wife into going out with her son. Over months my wife expressed to her bosses that she was scared and uncomfortable, but the management refused to kick him out because he was a regular. The stalking escalated to the point that the man recognized my wife's car and would wait for her to clock out at night. The final incident this man slashed the tires to my wife's car while she was working, luckily coworkers waited with her while she waited for a tow truck. The buffet fired my wife the next day because she couldn't find a ride to work. No such thing as loyalty.
I found out that corporate loyalty was dead 20 years ago when I was new to the job market. It’s obviously a lot worse now, but I was given the advice by my parents, and their generation of finding a big company to grow with, and in my experience, I found that just wasn’t possible. It’s no wonder people say no one wants to work anymore. What’s true is that no one wants to work for these kinds of companies.
We want to work, but we want to be viewed as people. Failing that, we would like basic human decencies like working A/C, a wage that competes with inflation, and maybe the ability to afford a house and settle down to have children. And then people wonder why my generation isn't having kids. You (not you, but the big wigs, the politicians) sold our futures and our souls long ago to line your own pockets. And when you pass from this world, it is we who will be left to mend the broken pieces with the training that we were never given, the life lessons that we were never taught.
@@krel7160 funny thing about that....eliminate the central bank and return the gold backed currency and inflation goes away. Look at history and inflation wasn't a thing until the CB was founded and took over the money supply. Government was always meant to fund itself purely on tariffs and donations, nothing more. Too many people are unaware of what the central bank really is...hint, they're treated like a foreign embassy for a reason, which is why they can not be audited. The previous administration took steps to begin dismantling that nonsense, but the current one is hellbent on restoring it.
@@krel7160 To top it all off, the baby boomers sold and spent their accumulated wealth instead of passing it to their children like people used to do just so mom and dad could live the high life in their sunset years.
Every time I hear about some company treating their employees "like family" or they say "we're a family", I reflexively think "Yeah, and nobody knows how to abuse you better than family."
"You dont want them to think youre a job-hopper" but companies are employee-hoppers. "Give them a two week notice, its more professional" but companies do layoffs overnight. "Work harder for your job" companies are willing to overwork you and underpay you
They’ll bitch about lazy and shitty workers (won’t deny that there are plenty of them) but they’ll also weed out the actual hard workers by working them to the bone and not reward any of it meaningfully.
To be fair here, the "companies don't have to give you two weeks..." is a terrible comparison. Unless you'll tell me that if you were told "hey, you'll be fired in two weeks.', you would react perfectly happily, and do your job to the fullest, and be just as well behaved. No. You'd, at best, be lazy as hell. At worst, you'd start stealing and being a menace. It's shit, but there's not much that can be done.
As a bartender i often hear older guests talk about their pension, social security, and fully paid for home and i just sigh knowing ill be lucky if i even have a home
You buy a home thinking you’re doing something for your children. I worked in insurance. Let me tell you - some adult children are QUICK to sell off deceased parents assets.
@@Kiyonce.Kartier that is not necessarily a bad thing. My wife and I decided to buy our house as an insurance policy for our kids. Crap happens and you never know what life will throw at you. We bought it so that if anything ever happens they can sell it to help with whatever they need.
30 years ago I was labeled as "flakey" because I refused to be loyal to any employer that treated me like a commodity. No pensions were available then. I've always only been offered a 401K. My attitude was why be loyal to a company with a 401K. My peers called me stupid. I was more loyal to my family. Zero regrets. I guess now I don't look so stupid.
My family has been self-employed since as far back as we can remember. We're all builders, plumbers and electricians nowadays. Yes, we worked for a bunch of companies related to our trade but we've always done it independently. So we've never had this whole concept of company loyalty and in fact, we've always encouraged self employment whenever we can because we've found happier lives even if we've never been made richer.
You can still work for companies, but you have to have the right mindset. A mindset of a mercenary (similar to being self-employed). 1. Always be applying and networking. You never know when the next great opportunity will come by. Try to put yourself in the right place and right time for it. 2. Always be prepared to walk away. I know this might sound counterintuitive, but if a workplace is toxic and affecting your personal life (god forbid your health), always be prepared to give notice (or no notice in some cases), and just quit. Sure, you can try fighting for your job, play the game with HR, complain to your manager’s manager. But is it really worth it for a job that is sucking all of the energy out of you? 3. Always be prepared for your next paycheck, being your last. This means having 6 months of living expenses saved up. I know it is hard to get there. But if you have to live on rice and beans to get there, when you do, your mental health will thank you.
I'm glad I found your channel. I have a pretty messed up firing story that I wanted to share. I had a friend who used to work at a hospital as a surgical cleaning tech. He made good money and loved his workplace. Then, one day, he got lung cancer and was hospitalized at the same hospital he worked at. Since we laying his bed DYING and couldn't work anymore, they fired him, causing him to lose his benefits. He blantanly said out loud that he might as well just die because there was no way he would be able to afford his medical expenses even if he recovered. Two weeks later, he died. That's when I learned that hospitals are just for-profit corporations.
Look in to hospitals and how much money millionaires donate to them as tax write offs. Hospitals get so much money from donations alone that everyone COULD get care for free. The "doctors" in charge keep it quiet because they pocket alone of it. They also give the go ahead on paying off people's bills if said people are wealthy and friends with certain doctors.
I worked at a sales call center for a major US computer company you have 100% heard of. They had a "pajama day," one of those morale boosting stupid things when they could just PAY PEOPLE BETTER, but anyway. We all arrive at work in our pajamas expecting a silly time with coworkers only to find news vans in the driveway and news cameras capturing us badging in the door in these outfits. Then we were directed to the all-site meeting where we were handed our separation packets. I don't know what sadistic person planned this, but it was absolutely humiliating.
My boss last year had that exact same thing about being laid off while on bereavement leave. Her father had just passed, and they decided to lay her off while she was AT THE FUNERAL. It was disgusting how they handled it.
I was fired from a company under similar circumstances, had to go out of town for a funeral. I absolutely lost it on the HR person that called... She pretty much insinuated that if I had only taken two days off instead of three, I wouldn't have been fired, that it was my fault and as a result I had no recourse.
@@ronsmith4325 that makes absolutely no sense. If that were really the case, it would seem they would just say you’re only approved for x number of days. Sounds more like it was an excuse for whatever the real reason might have been . Either way, that sucks:/
First time I ever got laid off was via an E-mail while I was at my grandmother's funeral. After the service I saw it and just started laughing, people thought I lost my mind... Sometimes you get fucked in such a way... you just have to laugh...
That's why I am every bit as ruthless dealing with companies. I take them for everything they re worth and the second something better comes along, I say "it's gonna take x, y, z to keep me. If not, Friday is my last day."
I disagree. Would it be nice to be compensated well so that you can take care of your family not have to work overtime so you can spend time with your family and enjoy the perks of being a satisfied and happy employee in long-term employment with an employer. If you as an employee are loyal to your family, and absolutely no one else then our society morals have fallen into decay. There was a time just like this RU-vidr said where company loyalty was well paid. It did not pay to jump from job to job. That no longer exist and that is sad.
I'm tempted to make a joke about the mafia, but I won't! Honestly, I learned this lesson the hard way. It astounds me how little regard the company has for not just its employees, but its own long-term success. When a software company cuts developers, they are all too often losing the experts in the very systems that run their business. Later, they pay consultants a lot more money to spend a lot more time fixing issues that wouldn't take the original programmer long to fix
I have a pension. Typical corporate crap… at 27 years the harassment begins and for the first time your performance is questioned. Then at 29 years, you end up in the Mayo Clinic for 6 weeks only to return to work to be coerced into an early retirement at 50% of the return you worked your entire career for. That’s why young people aren’t being tricked by these employers, they’ve seen what happened to their parents and grandparents.
When you give 2 weeks notice, most will show you the door before those 2 weeks are up, so I don't give any notice anymore to anybody if I decide to leave..........
@@SSchithFoo You are right it is an American problem. We are the only Freehold people on Earth. The rest of you belong to the country you live in you are nothing more than property. We on the other hand are not property but we also don't own all of the land the United States sits on we do pay land rent to other countries for some of it, including the original 13 colonies. So yeah there shouldn't be the kind of loyalty there should be in say England or Germany or Japan, we are neither culturally nor legally like them, nor should we be.
@@SSchithFoo It's a capitalist problem. Uk isn't much better. Canada isn't much better. Very few places are any better and even they still have capitalism.
my entire team was called to meet with an executive - never a good thing. To lighten the mood she decided to move us all to sit in the ball pit. She laid off the entire team while we were sitting in the ball pit in the lobby. It was insanity.
If going to an interview and somehow an interviewer mentioned company loyalty I always responded with essentially "I am as loyal to the company as the company is loyal to me." You could usually see a stifled reaction in them.
I started using "my loyalty is equal to how much i get paid" lost a couple of jobs due to that but i know they would have used me up and fired me when things got rough.
Loyalty is always a two-way street. No one should expect loyalty without first giving it. Companies want it going in one direction only. Doesn't work that way.
I love that employers couldn't fathom why during the great resignation, employees no longer wanted to go back to the broken relationship that existed previously. This was an eye opener for me. Now, as much as I might like my job, I understand it for what it is. It's just a job. My loyalty is to myself, and my family. Companies almost always put themselves first. Now, I do too.
I'm glad you've realized this. Too many people haven't realized that downsizing over the past 20+ years should be a sign that companies don't care about their employees.
The eye opener for me was all the essential worker nonsense. I knew several people at the time whose job was " essential to the economy" and yet their pay didn't budge. I guess that is when I realized that those people are essential to them getting their mansions.
"It's not personal; It's just business." No reason for you to treat it any differently. Your employer is not your family. They just pay you a salary to do a job. That's it. When you find a better opportunity, feel free to take it if they won't match it. It's not emotional. It's just business.
Last time I was told "we're a family" I asked, "A family like Leave It To Beaver, or a family like Married With Children?" The manager responded with "Leave It to Beaver" but the tech guy who asked me questions mouthed "Married With Children"
Hhahahaha too funny this reminds me, I got laid off along with my colleagues some years ago, wasn’t a big deal for me because I found a new job in no time at all. We were given a choice to stay on 2 to 3 months while looking for a job because we were on work visa then. During the course of that 2-3 month transition, the staff including those who were laid off were given a shirt that says “I work at (name of the company)” in front, and “You don’t” at the back. Whoever came up with that idea. LOL do they really expect the laid off employees to wear that shirt. Too funny.
I've worked as a corporate recruiter before and I'm gonna be honest: I literally always felt like a venus fly trap, just waiting for poor hopeful fools to sucker into the company. It felt very dirty, and I eventually quit and changed careers. These companies have absolutely zero regard for anybody's well-being.
Anymore, most recruiters don't even read your qualifications. I don't know how many times I've been contacted for jobs that don't even remotely match my experiences or education. It's a numbers game to them. "Contact X suckers today and go home." I had a recruiter team me up with a toxic employer about 10 years ago. Never again.
I was always told that you need to give employers 2 week notices but every time I gave them the notice, they just fired me on the spot. Companies want loyalty but they don’t want to show it once so ever. I will not now or ever again give a company 2 week notice. If I find a new job, my start date is my quitting date for Amy previous company. It’s ridiculous how these companies bash you for not being professional yet try to get away with practices that sometimes can be illegal.
Just remember it is employment at will.Corporations will you gone immediately when they desire..I used to give 2 weeks notice in my younger work years...now I give NO notice. If the work environment has become so toxic I cant get my work done and upper management left that happen you do not deserve 2 weeks notice. Sorry Charlie...lol!!
I live in a country with better labor laws so that cannot happen here and we get a month's notice from either side. That said, my plan going forward is even to start the next job, call in sick on the current job and see how the new one is looking before fully committing to leaving the "bird in hand".
Make no mistake, if they remove you from the role the day you give your two weeks, regardless of the State ("at-will employment"), they must pay you out those two weeks. its the law, but most people dont know that, nor pursue that with them.
Same thing happened to me, my boss was so mad they could barely control themselves. And they don’t want someone at the workplace reminding others that there are other opportunities out there, or that anyone doesn’t desperately need to work there.
Yeah, I had my last job for almost five years. It was one of those small business "we're a family" deals. My dad unexpectedly passed in July, and they told me to take as much time off as I needed. I had plenty of PTO saved up anyway. After a week, they said I had better be there on Monday. Two weeks later, and it was "transitioning to my no longer working there because my performance had declined." I had just been working 60 hour weeks in May and June, and getting all kinds of "good job" pats on the back. I was way more upset about my dad dying and my girlfriend abandoning me to even care about losing the job at that point. I just felt so empty, alone, and hopeless. Sorry for the long comment.
It's like we are mercenaries in the workplace jungle of Vietnam where only body count matters or profits 📈 What is right or wrong doesn't matter anymore
I am so sorry for your loss. If this kind of thing happens again make sure to file for FMLA. They cannot legally terminate you on FMLA leave. If they try contact the federal labor relations board
We need to make it a norm to name and shame these companies. A wall of shame, where the businesses hiring and firings practices and history are easily available to anyone with an Internet connection. Everyone should know if the company they are using are acting like psychopaths towards the people who actually do the work.
You're describing my current "we're a family" firm. I'm already bracing for the inevitable. I'm not going to sacrifice my time for something that's not worthy of it
@@detrik01 spot on. Do not work free overtime either. They get used to it and it becomes your “normal”. I worked at one place where I was doing two jobs. They gave me meets ratings for three years. When I left they had to hire two people to replace me
When I first saw the movie "Office Space" with Ron Livingston way back in high school, I was working only my part time job. Now 23 years later and worked at 5 different companies, I can't believe a comedy about work is actually that spot-on accurate.
I watch Office Space every few years just like the safety, harassment, drugs in the work place, ect. videos that my employer roles out. Office Space is the training video for crap I will not put up with in the workplace.
This is exactly why comedy is so integral to our society. They bash corporations in such a deeply honest and real way that forces you to watch. The modern progressives and bernie sanders of the world could never hope to capture that with such nuance.
The biggest problem in the workplace today is HR. They are definitely NOT an advocate for the employees and actually WANT To fire everyone except themselves.
I recently had a medical issue and had to take some time off. HR tried to (well they did initially) deny my FMLA claim. Stating the I was not eligible due to being salary. The hospital case worker had to literally yell at the head of HR that they were breaking the law, in order for me to get approved for it.
@@nicholaswechsler9150 that’s why people need to document all HR interactions. In most states we can even audio record without their permission or knowledge.
The reason this happens a lot is because typically people in upper leadership tend to be in the spectrum of psychopath or sociopath therefore does not have much empathy.
Omg my coworker was talking so happily about meeting the CEO for the company we work for. Like no, girl please stop. I wanted to say, “it’s just a facade.” He literally makes his words sound so smooth. I think most people who are extremely charming, have these ASPD’s. Sorry to be generalizing, but I don’t trust people who speak too damn smoothly.
nothave MUCH? lol. they just dont have the capacity to feel it. like other people dont actually exist in their minds. everything is just something to harm for pleasure to them
@@bryangeorge3138 I agree, when I say it took me that long I was made redundant/laid off last year and found out my role has been replaced even though the company said no-one else would be hired
I always cringe at my coworkers who always gab “you are my family!” No we’re not. You aren’t my family and I don’t want to be your family. We’re all here to use our knowledge and skills for a paycheck. That’s it.
My position was just eliminated and I was let go after nearly 14 years, my best performance review, and no performance review below exceeding expectations. While I don't expect loyalty from companies, I would have thought being a high performer would have kept me around. Nope. Cool story.
We watched a company severely abuse our Aunt .... she dug her heals in (starting as a VP) but it ended up making her very sick, ultimately killing her through a stress related illness. It was awful. It's awful
When I talked to my manager about being a loyal employee of 10+ years he laughed at me and said "Loyalty doesn't mean anything. Maybe it did in the 1950s but not anymore. If the company isn't getting what they want from you, they will fire you. If you aren't getting what you want from the company, you should quit". I didn't stay much longer.
@@kenyoung4881 I don't trust companies, I imagine they could remove particular reveals if paid enough. It'd have to be something entirely nonprofit and sadly even the nonprofit organizations actually need financing. So...
Unfortunately I do agree on the "Loyalty Of Things".. It's overrated on "Certain" things.. MY Loyalty goes as far as the other person (s)... If you ain't Giving It, Don't Expect It.. Although, I don't View (Jobs) as a Loyalty factor.. So good point on the Dog Theory.
Seriously, this sounds like feudalism. Capitaliam is so end stage, u can see aspects of the previous ecconomic system being thurst upon us. Were gonna have tonswear fealty to the CEO king soon
Corporations in America have worked very hard to reduce employees rights. They worked very hard to fight unions who fight for employees rights, and they worked very hard to convince average Americans into believing unions and labor rights are bad. Unfortunately employees are willing to deal with this and until employees decide and that’s enough employers will continue to take avantage. This is the people raising up and say no, enough is enough.. Corporations are NOT going to suddenly get morals and virtues.
Unions fight for employee rights. I’ve seen it play out and you are better with a Union than without. Of course corps have fought and worked aggressively to build a negative view by Americans on unions. Of course an worker that believes unions are bad (something that’s built to protect your rights) is brainwashed and bought all the corporate bull about unions.
The saddest thing about Unions is that we still need them! As an employee you have to pay someone to stand up for you and have your employer treat you like a person. Look at the railroads- the conductors don't even get paid sick days!
@@jerseattle0722 People will flat out refuse to do a stupid simple task because it's "someone else's job." Union dues required because they want to donate to political parties to grease the wheels in their favor. A bunch of money being laundered to ensure they're not paying more in taxes. People in the union being forced out or flat out being threatened and even physically injured to ensure compliance with their rules. I know people that have experienced this crap first hand. You want to sit there and tell me that unions are there to fight for the little guy ? I'm not for forced association, especially where positions of power can be abused.
I have done interviews where a single employer asked me to go through 6 interviews(30-45 min each) and a 5-hour assignment. By the 5th interview, I was already exhausted and feel used. I have also done interviews from famous companies that demanded 40 hour assignments. There is one thing I learned: If a company truly wants to hire you, they would not make you go through those.
I would have stopped and the 3rd. Two is plenty. Obviously a horrible company I would never want work for, and has no clue how to hire. Sound like HR is sadistic. Is this a job on the international space station? I'd tell them that.
A lot of Graphic Design postings used to ask applicants to work a full day (unpaid) or complete a "live project" (also unpaid) as the final part of their interview... and more times than not, once you had done that free work for them you'd never hear back from them again. The trend died off once people were aware of the trick, but like most plagues it seems to be trying to worm its way back again :(
@@olencone4005 Is that truly legal? That sounds like a con job. I think a lawyer would be able to make a case that you were engaged with them in some capacity when they assigned you work. And that status should apply when it comes to mistreatment, any injury while on the job, and compensation at a fair rate for the work you provided them particularly if it didn't lead to gainful employment.
@@Tubes12AX7k Oh, they were definitely con jobs, purely for free work -- I'm pretty sure it's not legal, but I'm also sure they'd just skirt around that by saying it was a "design test" or something along those lines, which is completely normal for this industry (tho normally just using lorem ipsum filler text and random stock photos instead of an actual real project).
The temerity of employers being upset that people don't have 'loyalty' anymore really brings my piss to a boil. They have made it clear, nationwide, that they will replace their employees with a cheap foreigner, robot, or AI as soon as they possibly can. I've personally had it happen to me *twice* now and I've only been in industry 10 years. What kind of masochist, or weakling, would have any loyalty to such organizations?
When a company says, "We're a family here," that's a euphemism for RUN far away. Let's see how much you're part of the "family" when the company has a bad quarter.
Dude, I have similar experiences at my current job. The people running the show love to Grand stand and appear competent, then when shown their lack of competencies they try to avoid or hand wave the issue. Our office response plan to an active assailant is for the safety guy to play telephone while everyone just tries to fend for themselves. No early warning alarm, no support for arming employees, nothing.
It’s even worse than you described. Not only did companies pull the benefits and increase layoffs, they also lobby state and federal congressional representatives to weaken or kill any bills that lean towards labor. It’s like an abusive relationship where the abuser is paying off the cops and the city council.
Worse part is its happening all over world. I am from India and everything on this channel is thoroughly relatable. Indian companies are even worse, they make employyee sign contract and work like dog and then send them to jail and extract money.
I know from experience that when you get laid off over and over it wrecks something inside of you. I can honestly say I never contemplated self harm but I got very tired of the constant pressure to perform in a world where I had zero control. I could work hard, show up on time, do a good job and put the company first and be let go the next day.
@@Mrwizard-ck7oe How would you identify those people? Part of the issue is the every changing world we live in. Back when I was in school, in the 70s, we were preparing for a particular career. By the time I graduated from college that career had been upended and wiped out. The same was true with tech. you build up skills that are made meaningless with a tech change. It seemed like I was having to relearn a whole new career field every two years. I am not sure who's fault this was?
The other bad part about high turn over and lack of loyalty is that executive management becomes more inclined to make careless decisions in the name of short term gains. If a company decides to cut R&D costs to please investors, they'll get a bump in their stocks today, but the cost comes several years down the road when it's time to innovate. The people who made those decisions will have moved on by then, so it isn't their problem.
Exactly what's wrong. We are so short sighted that we end up giving the future our problems to deal with. It's why the Youth today are so hateful and spiteful to the people before them.
And with less time for making a family, there will be even fewer young to care for their elders than we see already now, bruises on the elderly before they hit the coffin, because there is such a lack of caregiver staffing that anyone can be hired if they are cheap, qualified or not. Instead of 401K the retirement of the future will be a .45 before you hit 80 years.
That's late stage capitalism for you, as long the next quarter profits looks good, the shareholders are happy. We're looking at the destruction of the life we know with climate change, but nothing it's done, because at short-term it hurts profit
@@arnowisp6244 Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! No one is blind here, young folk can understand quite plainly the cards they're handed much sooner than most seem to think, it's not particularly difficult to read the egregious writing on the wall. White collar, blue collar, small business, large business, it's all self-interest and cut-throat policy. Inspiring to a certain sort, I guess. Monopolies are the primary problem, if someone out there cares, start by dismantling them and maybe your children and their children won't have to fight so hard.
After getting laid off twice in the 2010s, I focused all my efforts into landing a government job. Everyone said I was dumb or short changing myself because my talents would go for more in the private sector, but sometimes the dollar amount doesn't matter as much as the ability to ensure I always have food on the table for my kids.
Exactly. I work at one of the few companies that at least seems to try to be decent to their emplyees. Rigorous standards for firing, maternity and paternity leave, 4 weeks vacation from day 1, ample sick leave. All things that when listed out really should be the bare minimum but these days are "benefits". Anyways, I have gotten offers to interview for jobs claiming to offer a lot more than what I'm paid but frankly, i have no desire to go work somewhere that statistically will treat me horribly wjen I have a comfortable job at somewhere that treats me like a human and not just a resource to be exploited.
What type of government work? I'm about to achieve an associates and am interested in a career in the public sector and in my area you don't find that often as networking is the only way in to some.
I’ve been thru several cruel, sneaky & vindictive layoffs but the most humane one was a retail giant’s headquarters in the early 2000s. They gave everyone 3 months notice and had experts come on site for resume and interviewing prep, as well as onsite interviews from other companies. If you didn’t have a job by the end of the 3 months, it was only bc you didn’t want one.
Had a similar experience when Whole Foods was acquired by Amazon. They were actually really good to us during the whole process, at least by comparison to some of the comments I'm seeing
The pay raises are usually more than double by switching jobs rather than staying. Long gone are the days when you could work a job right out of high school and easily afford a home. We need to make the most out of our earning potential just to scrape by. My Mother ended up losing our childhood home because she stayed at a terrible, low paying employer too long. Take care of yourself first.
The exact same thing happened to my mom. I was in a bit of a financial pickle (nearly insolvent) myself at the time, so there wasn’t anything I could do for her. It’s a harsh lesson, but look out for #1 (yourself).
Yea when I was working in trades as a 2nd year in my trade the company I was working for I only asked them for 22 cause I knew they were a smaller company and I just needed work at the time the guy litterally offered me 20 like fuck off lol I'm supposed to get paid 28 at least at that year of experience in that trade but I took it anyway just so I was working looked for a job and in a month found a company that offered me my 28 that I should get paid and bumped me up to 32 after 3 months but even then all companies are shit now I'm changing my career to ui ux design because trades are trash full of lay offs regardless of how good you are cause alot of it is seasonal work where i live as soon as I switch to I'll be up from 50k a year to at least 75k a year for a starting a position as opposed to a fucking 3rd year journeyman position
Layoffs? I had to quit 3 times in one year! The depraved level of actual malignant narcistic folks in middle management without a soul is seriously surreal these days. I've never seen such awful behavior in humans in my 30 years of working.
@@internetmaryann You are not alone. It's comforting to know we're not alone in this, and it's happening to other people as well. These companies have no respect or loyalty to anyone.
Yep, actual psychotic behavior, bullying, and deliberate sabotage. It's so brutal. 20-year work veteran, never seen such behavior before, I can't understand it.
The worst part of all of this is that these disgraceful pieces of crap get upset when you work multiple jobs. Yet they fire you with no remorse and no warning. They take pleasure with and enjoy watching people despair as they perform these layoffs. The list job I ever had I was fired and rat that calls himself the business owner was upset that I smiled and walked out the door. He told the rest of his employees he was hoping I would beg for my job and take a pay cut. All his employees left.
I don't think that is accurate. I don't think these people are malicious. They just don't care. That is different than being happy someone else is hurting. Apathy is horrible, don't get me wrong. But it is different than antipathy
@@debeb5148 Strongly disagree. Malicious behaviro implies malice. Malice is defined as 'the intention or desire to do evil; ill will.' Most people don't care about you enough to have a desire to do evil. The person describe by the OP above is an asshole, sure. He definitely qualifies. But MOST people just don't care enough to rise to the level of being malicious. Your well being and health is just not important. Is that awful, 100%. But for most people, employees are just people they employ. They feel not responsibility to them nor do they feel any antipathy.
Also side note, I survived 7 layoffs at my old company. When it finally happened to me it woke a lot of people up to the situation. There is no saving you when the high performer is cut.
Never attach yourself to a Place, Project, Thing, or Organization. The only thing you should be attached to is your Peace of Mind, your Family and Friends, and your Goals. That is how you keep your Power and live a Fulfilling Life.
@@Wisdom-Nuggets-Tid-Bits Well obviously there are no perfect Family & Friends. Relationships come with conditions. Unless the Family member or Friend is toxic, you don't need to cut them off. A lot of People undervalue the tremendous joy and fulfillment you get when you spend time with the People you love and care about the most.
I think one of the reasons why this is a thing is that Human Resources is even a thing. It's right there in the name. The company doesn't view their employees as people anymore just as resources like raw materials for manufacturing, equipment, and cash.
Google calls it "People Operations" but the name change doesn't do anything. HR is great to have when it actually functions for employees. Try working somewhere without one. 😵💫
Folks now is NOT the time to get PREGNANT or start a family. We are entering the Greatest Depression as the everything bubble which is the biggest in history is in ongoing collapse after 14 years of "money printing" ending with money supply tightening needed due to hyperinflation about to start in all countries.
These examples are why people retire as early as financially possible. There was never a "labor shortage" in the pandemic, just a shortage of employers willing to pay a living wage and treat their employees like people, not cattle.
I was hit with by a 325 workforce reduction in 2019. One woman, who was losing her job that morning, was delayed in getting to the office because she was finding out she was being diagnosed with cancer was blocked at the front desk when she tried to swipe her badge when she got to the office after her drs appt. She was getting “access denied” when she was trying to swipe her badge to get to her desk! Disgusting
I work in Talent Acquisition. Half our department was cut including me. I went from being buried in an impossible workload, stress eating myself into an early grave to everything frozen almost overnight. The company I worked for just had their most profitable quarter ever but because their future orders are down they decided to do a mass layoff. Its hard not to be angry when I think about all the extra work I was doing, all the stuff that I did that wasn't even in my job scope because it needed to be done and then I discarded at the first sign of a downturn. And just like the example mentioned in the video my company had recently hired more recruiters including a single Mom who was counting on her new job to support her child. Shameful.
Kick the dust off from your shoes, put in the reports that you can with the relevant agencies, pray that the lord have his way with them.. Then carry on. That is all that can be done in those situations. Miserable as it is to accept that as fact.
I think we need a national strike to remind these people who is actually doing the work. They need employees a lot more than employees need them. Just because you open a business doesn't entitle you to billions in profits and treating your employees like slaves and/or livestock. Loyalty on behalf of employers is a joke at best. They will throw you into homelessness without blinking an eye.
That's just it. We do need them. They are the ones with the money. A strike would be more comfortable for them. We would in fact starve and become homeless quickly, and they know it.
Both need eachother. It is a very interesting conundrum since they will find out once they remove enough of the workforce nobody will have enough money to buy anything they produced. Essentially at this rate we will return to feudalism probably since our current market structure is basically destroying itself.
If it wasn't for this channel, my toxic boss would have been able to get inside my head and undermine my confidence in my work. I work in accounting, was handed a project which required that I clean up 10+ years of careless to non-existent record keeping. Then I was blamed, first because I was forced to inform my boss that his client records were a garbage dump (after being verbally abused by him). 2nd because in his delusional toxic boss mental state, he thought that I could clean up his cr*p books and file tax forms (which need proper contact info & tax IDs) without having to research the missing info. I got the project finished ON TIME just by sheer grit, and then got fired by email on that Sunday, citing that "I couldn't complete my work on time". Riiiiiight. I'll be a free agent for the rest of my career. Love this channel, Brian.
Consider blowing the whistle on the scumbag that did that to you. If that's not a possibility, move on as a free agent. As an accountant you should be able to work remotely, so try doing that for a couple or more employers. It's called over employment. With two corporate salaries, I make more than some C-level executives while learning new skills. I'm gonna ride this wave for as long as it lasts and invest wisely. Unless something radical happens, I've vowed to never commute to an office for the rest of my life.
@@kikiriki8742 Can’t very well blow the whistle after generating and submitting tax forms. Would you really want the IRS scrutinizing how you were able to accomplish this from incomplete and missing records? Yeah, the boss doesn’t think the accountant would want to risk that, either. He’s banking on it. Pretty nervy.
Some years ago I was working for a big box store. The store manager was talking about how "we are like family" at the end of his speech. I joked and said "Yeah, the Adams Family". Most broke out laughing right in front of the store manager. He didn't look too impressed.
This has been a long time coming. I’m 57 and we have been the screwed generation. Taught by our parents to be a good employee and we’ll be set! Wrong! You work at a job for years only to have new employees to start at a little under what you make. Loyalty gone
One of my family members was with a company for over 20 years only to find out that new hirers in a starting position were being paid even more. If that isn’t a corporate slap in the face, what is?
As an upcoming college graduate aware of the job market struggles rn because my mother was laid off after working for a company for 16 years. This is all incredibly stressful and depressing, my professors don’t seem to understand why most of my classmates, including me, feel utterly helpless and exhausted before we even get to working. This all makes me want to move to a different country, the US is becoming unlivable for those who aren’t rich.
@@bask809 You are wrong. In Europe, there are these things called “worker’s rights”. A foreign concept to Americans. You get 1 month PTO minimum, paid paternal leave with government protection, paid bereavement, mandatory sick time, you must be notified of layoffs and will be compensated, among many other rights. You have fallen for American propaganda
I finally learned in my 30s to ALWAYS keep interviewing and keeping an eye out for other opportunities even when you’re in a job that you’re satisfied or generally happy with. I also stopped giving 2 weeks notice. I give a week. Most employers let you go right away anyways and even if they don’t then it’s only a week before moving on to something better. I’ve stopped giving any type of loyalty to a company and look out for myself first always no matter how much they try to convince me that they care about me.
I was raised by bomber era parents that instilled corporate loyalty in me and i was very confused coming out of college and into the labor market when i was getting completely used by companies for $12 an hour (2018ish). Luckily my bf, now husband, was there when i called him crying at 1030 pm starting unloading material at the office when i had to be back there at 430am and my boss wouldn't sub me with another tech for my first job. He said, "quit. I'll hold us over until you get a new job". we had a long talk the next evening about how corporate loyalty is dead and how job hopping is the best way to increase your wage unless you find that 1 in 1 million company that still values it's employees. Spent the next few years increasing my wage from $12 an hour to $23 an hour and i actually found a company with a company vehicle, 100% covered healthcare, and decent sick/vacation time. I'm planning on staying forever unless something changes. I guess the TLDR is, old fashioned companies do still exist but are so rare that you can't depend on it. Job hop and remember that your quality of life is the most important thing you need to keep in balance.
@@cinnamonpanda6040 you do know that there is infalation now right? You can’t make a living on 12 dollars an hour or lower thanks to what our president does now
Yuppp. 1BR apartments where I live are on average $1200/mo. $12/hr. 12/hr is taxed at 26% so that $25000 is really $18500 -- that is, until social security and Medicaid are taken out. JUST RENT ALONE will leave you with 350/month from which you'd have to pay insurance premiums (guaranteed more than 200/mo), food, transportation, utilities. In other words, where I live you would be homeless on $12/hr.
My ex-boss of 20+ years pledged his loyalty to our company (even, and in some cases especially, at the expense of the employees he managed.) Regardless of his many issues, I appreciate his pursuit loyalty and dedication to the company. Ironically, to commemorate is untimely death, he got his name on a brick installed on a memorial pathway. And.....that it. He seemed to empower the mantra that we were like interchangeable Legos and easily replaceable. And end the end, he, himself, was easily replaced. All of a sudden, Lego brick and paver brick seem to have a lot in common right now. I'll just say the obvious. Getting your intrinsic sense of value and self-worth from your employer is probably a big mistake these days.
I've explained to coworkers that sticking with a single employer is a bad idea. I have job hopped every 1-3 years since I was 17. When I got told I wasn't getting an annual raise I got a different job. And that trend has continued for over a decade. As soon as my employer no longer works for me, I bounce.
@@richardarriaga6271 I've got no competes in my industry. They are ridiculously broad and would never hold up in court. They just use the threat of one as a cudgel to scare folks from leaving. Take it around to a few lawyers in your area. See what they say.
That is statistically the best way to get significant pay raises and higher positions. Every 2 years you should be leaving your current job for another job. Keep your resume polished and keep your skills sharp and keep learning and adding to them.
Amen to that! Did the same, and I moved from 14k 20 years ago to well over 6 figures today. Whoever tells you that job hopping doesn´t pay all you need to do is to show the clear evidence that it does.
Is anyone keeping a list of companies that are doing things like this? If not, we should start doing it. We as jobseekers should be able to easily see a companies' layoff history, especially recent history right now.
Joshua Fluke exposes and destroys horrible, terrible, shady companies, terrible employers, bad employees and everything that's wrong with corporations worldwide on his RU-vid Channel! He is excellent at exposing such issues and ripping a new asshole on those employers and corporations!!
@@James-ws9ze glassdoor is not a great resource. They have started "reviewing" peoples comments and striking them for many bad reasons. I think they are getting paid by companies to remove an amount of the reviews.
Worked at Dominos for a year. The amount of loyalty and loss of time they demanded wasn’t worth the pay. They also were extremely disrespectful towards anyone that didn’t say yes to everything. Want me to be loyal? Do two things: pay me well, and be ethical to me.
I graduated high school around the time of the great recession. For my entire adult life, I have never harbored any delusions that companies actually valued me as a person.
Two years ago I had left a company where I worked for 22 years. I had a pension. New employees stopped getting the pension many years ago, but I was grandfathered in and they kept it for an ever shrinking pool of employees. Finally, the company killed it for all employees. It was one of the biggest things keeping me in that company. My medical benefits started out as a great and became an expensive joke by the time I had left. So I left for greener pastures...
Many businesses avoid hiring older employees entirely because they want no part in paying part toward health benefits. It's why we keep hearing "Where have prime age working men gone?", like somebody is expected to work until they have severe back or leg problems and then are laid off because "times are hard." A slaughterhouse tried to do that here and were sued to oblivion-now they only hire and layoff 20 somethings, and nobody over the age of 35 works there (except the owners/managers of course.)
I am a hard worker and over extended myself. I worked on average 10 to 12 hours a day and do to life situations I had to work another 4-6 hours a night for a couple years straight. It mentally affected me to where I had trouble reading things and my memory still hasn't fully recovered. I was with my company for 5 years at that point. During covid I was an essential worker so while everyone else was locked at home I was still slaving away. I made some mistakes and got fired I admit that I read a name of some people and delivered the supplies to the wrong location. What I feel is unfair is they labeled it as malicious and I did it with intent to damage the company. I lost my job got a bad label on my resume and got no covid benefits. Also thanks to the pandemic I had to survive the next six months with no job luckily I am financially responsible but it wasn't easy. Thanks previous employer I will never work for another company again, I am happily self employed now.
Burn out will do that to you. Your mind can become fatigued. It's a shame they weren't understanding. I'm sure managers have made PLENTY of mistakes during their life.
I used to be truck driver. There's always a shortage. Every trucking company has to spend a fortune recruiting drivers. As soon as I would take a job, I would be treated with the utmost of contempt. They made sure I knew that if they could figure out how to make $1 more shoving me into a woodchipper, into the chipper I would go.
It amazes me that these supposedly smart people can't figure out it is the way that they treat their workers that is causing the shortages. Try treating your employees with respect. You might notice a world of difference
@@hemaccabe4292 also are these same degree people in public governance? coz they enable this in many many cases even when law would say otherwise also curious, what do you consider "mcdonalds management system" ? I saw The Founder movie of mcdonalds business.
@@effexon The mcdonalds management system is Ray Croc's further refinement of Ford's treating employees as replaceable commodity cogs so as to be able to treat them as poorly, including low pay, as possible. Lot of info about out there on the net if you go look for it.
@@DemonDante1000 Respect, appreciation and a fare wage (which certainly is indicative of respect and appreciation) is how you retain employees and their loyalty.
It’s better to be loyal to yourself. No one will look out for you as well as you look out for yourself. Work is a business transaction. It’s more real that way. Treat your employer like they treat employees. Stay as long as it benefits you, not one day longer.
Upwork and Fivver has to be on fire right now.. We are probably going to see more freelancing sites popup and the first person to make the biggest one will be the new social media giant.
the pandemic turned toxic corporate behavior into overdrive. Nothing really has changed, just corporate management got more comfortable doing crazy stuff. There needs to be legislation to start protecting workers and penalizing corporations for violating basic human behavior
Don’t hold your breath! Neither side (R or D) gives a crap about “the little guy.” They only care about holding on to power and pleasing the corporate super-PACs funding their campaigns.
you can get work EASILY if you present yourself as a contractor/embedded contractor, dont take any benefits and have those deferred benefits translate into $ for extra compensation, getting benefits in the open market is a better deal anyway
A few roles ago I got sick and almost died. Was in the ICU. When I got out I was “randomly selected” for a layoff. My current role I work as a senior manager between first and second shift. I treated my groups like family which was unique in my company. I got in and a couple people from my group come up in tears and asked why I didn’t tell them. I was confused, and asked what they were talking about. 80% of my people were let go and I was never told. They knew before I did.
My dad just died (shortly before his 73rd birthday) in September of a heart attack shortly after he retired at 71.5 years old. He did very well as an IT manager and every time he talked about quitting, he was given a big raise that he said was hard to resist, but he eventually succumbed to his health and retired. He was given a pension, but I feel like he was possibly bribed out of a lot of his retirement, and died earlier than he should have. He said he had so many health problems that he delayed surgeries due to being too busy at work. My dad also was highly depended on and I remember this company (he worked for for 45 years) would beep my dad or he would call the work and we would have to cut our vacations short and go back home. My point is many people work longer than they used to, and retire shortly before they die.
That sounds like my father in law. He worked for a large chemical company for 42 years. Retired and six months later had difficulty breathing. It turns out when he worked for the company as a young man they had him clean areas with large amounts of asbestos, which 40 years later produced the lung cancer which killed him. The company was taken to court but a pittance was paid out to the family. It seems the state legislature where they lived helped protect this company from lawsuits from knowingly allowing employees around this dangerous substance. Not a great retirement!
“dID hE GEt tHE CLoT SHoT?” Found the unemployed guy who gets government benefits but complains when others get the same benefits. Probably posted with an “oBAma PHone.”
@oldcat1790 I disagree with your accusing my dad of being greedy because he helped so many people that were less fortunate. Truthfully, the Bible doesn't actually say anything about retirement, but seems to always say to produce fruit. He didn't spend much money on himself due to him always wanting everyone to be happy and alright. He would always say, 'I want everyone to be happy'. He was always doing things like buying food for everyone. When going out to eat, there may be 15 people eating, but he would make sure to beat everyone at paying. So, greed was never a motivation for him. He also had 5 kids. People who work get persecuted a lot which was the case for him, but I just saw it as honorable with all the good he did. I miss him a lot.
I think it's bizarre how some companies will demand every bit of loyalty and sacrifice from their employees but then will drop them at the first sign of failure or weakness (made a mistake at work, got sick and had to take leave). After working for several toxic companies which caused me both severe mental anxiety and even physical illness, I am finally working for an actually humane company that provides work-life balance, does not bully employees, provides real training so you can succeed at your job. I could probably work elsewhere and earn more money but my current company treats me so well (and I'm not talking perks, I'm just talking about treating me like a human being) that I don't really want to go anywhere else.
I, too, was in a bad situation like that a few years ago. I quit in the middle of the shift, in the middle of the week. I had just gotten the work release from my doctor and heart doctor to go back on full duty. Company wasted no time assigning a stupid amount of work on me. I quit without a job lined up but felt like my quality of life improve the instant I resigned and left that crap company. I have now been at a company like the one you're now working for. What sold me during the interview and walkaround was the fact the owner of the company never mentioned "family." I've been working there for almost 4 years now. Time has flown. Yeah, the pay is no longer the top but my quality of life and work-life balance is second to none. All the other companies in my field of expertise, in the Philly area, require their employees to live to work. I'm not about that garbage.
That's the funny thing. It doesn't cost much to treat employees like human beings. If anything, it saves them money via employee retention and not having to pay for unemployment benefits.
And that is really the most insidious thing. They demand completely fealty but will drop you the second that the winds shift without a hint of regret. They want you to see them as a warm, loyal, family, while they see you as a cog in a machine. Disgusting.
The day of "Pay em enough to keep them hungry" is over. Nobody wants to just try to survive anymore. They choose life. Life is too short and valuable to waste making somebody else's so much better than yours when that person gives a crap about your life level. Hell as far as pensions go they always find a way to fire you right before you get to collect one. I have seen that at every place I've worked.
Whoah reminds me of a place I worked - they suspended a suite of managers for a year and a half (over something very petty), a particular one: the plumber turned director who knew all the secrets of the upper echelons for a time - who managed to get a newly formed job with the same salary as previous in order to access same pension
Anytime an employer has told me “we’re like a family” I’m automatically repulsed by that statement because I don’t have the best relationship with my family and its usually proven to be true that this company is going to be toxic workplace.
I have yet to encounter a "we're like a family" workplace that was not absolutely bonkers or completely ruthless. The last one--many years ago now--was actually a family in which the two brothers eventually expelled their father, the original owner, out of the business to take over and, as a result, drove the previously profitable business into the ground because neither of them was a businessman nor a salesman. That is what their father got for for being kind enough to offer his sons jobs when they could not make it on their own and in their own respective careers. If that is how they treated their own family, then just imagine how they treated their employees, including me.
I have been in the tech industry for over 22 years now. I have had to train my Indian offshore replacements 3 times at 3 separate companies (laid off after each time). The last time this happened was last year and my last day was December 30. I have decided I am done with corporate America and will only accept a job with a small or startup company or start my own company. At most I will work as a contractor at a bigger company. I am done being screwed over by these companies.
Similar workplace experience, but exact opposite in one key aspect. My career has been mostly with small tech companies and they are pretty terrible too. Nepotism and favoritism are huge factors, especially when many hire friends and have family working there. It's can be really uncomfortable dealing with a touchy work place situations, but it's worse when parties involved include the owners spouse or best friend. Also they are more prone to just making policies up as they go along, since in smaller companies, there is no oversight I hope I'm wrong for your sake, but I am not sure I would count on the experience with a smaller company being much better.
I am a regular viewer, because I find your content relevant and honest. The type of video you did today is extremely helpful. When you relay actual stories, it helps people know they are not alone. They may still feel the rollercoaster of emotions, but your video shows that this is indeed systemic. Today, talking about the person who took their life was incredibly important. Your willingness to talk about all aspects is part of what differentiates you. Keep being who you are and thank you.
@@ALifeAfterLayoff why people still value university and colledge with all the debt. just so peopel are desperate to pay off debt ? what if same deal done with deabt from risky investting failures? and thats besides having industry certificates for being actually job ready , even doen with university are nothing compared to people with certififcats and univeristy
Anytime a company says "we are family", you need to say "Excellent! As part of this family please sign this document giving me 5% ownership of this family business! Thank you i am so excited!"
I learned not to be loyal to my employer after MANY jobs I've had where the boss tells me, "I like you too much in your current position." or "You're too good at what you do to waste your skill by promoting you." or "You would hold those under you to your level and that would cause problems."
Sounds like all of these responses require reminding them that there is no such option and you can either promote and give a raise or you'll be applying to businesses that need such a position
I went to a series of interviews for a job as a sales rep. The first interview went just fine. One of the managers who was expecting me met me in the lobby right on time for the interview. After he interviewed me, he instructed me to go back out into the lobby and wait for the next manager who wanted to speak with me as well. I sat and waited in the lobby for a little over an hour, and no one came out to even tell me what was going on and why things were taking so long. Finally, i just got up and left the building. As i was driving home, someone from this company called me and practically begged me to come back for the second interview. I simply explained to the gentleman who called me that I already had a job and that I was simply hoping to improve my life a little bit. I told him that it seemed that I was better off staying at my current job. The grass only appears greener on the other side until you get there to find that it's only astroturf.
@aviationgrade I would have knocked after 10 minutes and ask if this will take longer. The proper way to do it is to ask if it's not a good time then we should reschedule. I think I read somewhere about a similar shit test that some shitty companies/recruiters do to see if the candidate stands up for himself or is a pushover. Most likely the idea came from women because they do shit tests all the time to new potential guys that would want to go on a date with them.
@klauseba you're probably right, but as I stated in my comment, I already had a job. Besides, I had somewhere I had to be that afternoon, and I didn't want to be late for that. If I wasn't already employed, I probably would have been a little more assertive in my efforts. Two months later, I ended up getting a promotion along with a raise, so it probably all worked out for the best anyway. Lol
You gave them an hour of your time without so much as a "Can I get anything while you wait?" Nah, you did the right thing by leaving and turning them down. Their behavior speaks volumes. Kudos to you.
@Malkia Ra when I left the building, I was thinking if they this is how they're treating me now, it makes me wonder how I might be treated after I'm working there.
My attitude now is that 99% of jobs are essentially temp jobs (even if no temp agency is involved). Some assignments last longer than others, but they all come to an end eventually.
Both me and my Fiancée have had some pretty crazy stuff happen. After 5 years at IKEA, you know, one of the highest-rated employers in the world, I invested my entire being into a department that was looked down on by literally the rest of the entire store. I spent extra time (sometimes even outside of work) taking photos, making documents outlining alternative procedures, the works. Nothing ever changed. We were the store's punching bag. This was after I was told I would be re-located (as part of IKEA's policies) due to regular physical injuries from simply trying to keep up with my workload (strains, sprains, etc.), and I was subsequently ghosted. I left that trash heap and never looked back. Meanwhile, my fiancée invested her entire being into her before/after school childcare job, which was her practicum that hired her straight out of college. She rolled with all the punches, which included some difficult kids, some indifferent teachers, but almost always the management. The owner of the company made her cry on more than one occasion, and even accused her of faking sick DURING COVID where she was following THE COMPANY'S POLICY on taking time off to get tested when that was a thing. She was forced to move around all across the city to different schools on the bosses' whim, which caused her commute to skyrocket. The final straw came when she tried to stick up for herself in the face of a co-worker accusing her of doing a poor job: The owner who, up until this point dared to say she supported my fiancée and understood her having diagnosed (and medicated anxiety), and said not a month prior that she was proud of her and that she was doing a great job, did a 180 and accused her of being one of the worst workers in the entire company. She's felt 1000x better ever since putting in her two weeks.
I had an interview at a place where one of the recruiters started talking to me about how many people they lost over the course of the pandemic because they got the stimulus and quit. She blathered about how she just couldn't understand why nobody wanted to stick around because she'd put her own kids all the way through high school with this company and yada fuckin' yada. She was saying this, as the person who sat all dolled up and sipping on warm coffee in the heated offices, about the forklift drivers and machine operators she was interviewing who were going to be working in freezers and stupendous cold. She couldn't understand, while sat in an office that looked like it belonged to a successful law firm, why all the men doing brutal, backbreaking work in the dangerously bitter cold didn't like their jobs well enough to stick with the company. I've done that sort of job before, and nothing is worse than getting the "disposable office employee" treatment in a line of work that also leaves you in physical agony at the end of the day. "Alright sir, here's your layoff, would you like a side of walking with a limp to go with that?"
The disconnect between white collar cvnts like her, and the blue-collar grunts like you and me, seems to be getting worse by the year. (Aircraft mechanic.)
i'm self employed floor layer for carpet right. had a convo with the store manager yesterday, she was anoyed by the new fitter because he left a job where the gripper was to be re-used. The gripper was too close to the wall but carpet right said it was fine (they're useless as surveys!). So this fitter would be being paid £4.19 per m2 (£41.90 minimum) - diesel etc so probably about £35 profit if it's 10m2 or less. The manager actualy expects the fitter to wait around, make phone calls and arrange new gripper to be delivered or to go back to the store and get some for no extra money. Just like your interviewer, she can't understand why a SELF EMPLOYED with own van and expenses floor layer doesn't want to fuck around making jobs he's getting paid very little for, take twice as long! And it happens all the time. endless problems because carpet right don't do their jobs properly, they get the customers so it's tough luck for the floor layer (explotation).
Also, I have a gut feeling that these companies feel that they own the employees as if they are slaves. They know they can abuse them because they have a mortgage to pay, credit card to pay off, etc., etc. I feel for all these kids in school that think the future holds great jobs or careers for them. I have made a hobby for myself of applying for jobs, accepting jobs, and leaving jobs for moral or ethical reasons. Last job I had which I’m going to leave this week is due to morality. I have 20 years of customer service experience and I signed up for a customer service job and it’s not ethical customer service at all. I’ve been told to not call customers that are angry about their orders. I’ve been told to do less for the customers. It’s crazy what these “businesses” get away with. If they treat clients that way, how do they care for employees? They don’t.
Corporations are soulless. The wierd positive to this is that people are learning that giving all for a company who does not care for you makes no sense. So do the job but spend time on your family, friends, hobbies and prepare for the worst case scenario. I remember a CEO at a Healthcare organization proudly starting the annual meeting with the details of a relatively new law the 'at will ' employment. "We can let anyone go anytime" he said happily. It became very quiet. Then he progressed to how he expected dedication from everyone. I was a single parent but had options and inside I gave a sarcastic chuckle and mentally changed from loyalty to clarity. That clarity included discontinuing covering weekend and evening on call, unless it was assigned.
Corporations are run by people, and those people are soulless! And it's not that people give their all, its that the corporations TAKE ALL! While real salaries are down for the last 40 fucking years, productivity is at all time high! People go and want to do a good job and try to do a good job, but that is never enough for these companies, so they take more and more and give you back less and less.
My mother worked for the city as a 911 operator, and after getting fired from that job (not a layoff as far as I can remember, but her a lot of her coworkers suspected some kind of foul play), managed to get a job working for section 8 housing through her connections at the operator department. This is a long way to say that she DID in fact have a pension. She was thinking of retiring early because of her declining health, and that pension would have been a huge relief on her if she had been able to make that choice. Unfortunately while she was still considering this, she ended up catching COVID and dying the the hospital a few days later. However that pension helped my family pick ourselves up after her untimely death, I'm the oldest of 5 children and we're all still very young (I was 25 when she died and my youngest sibling was 15). It was extremely helpful and I'm very sad and disappointed that something like that isn't an option for a lot of people any more.
Getting laid off is painful financially and emotionally. If you're affected please stay strong. You will get through this. I promise. Just persist every day, and seek help if you feel you need it.
Yeah i got a job as a multidrop driver & stuck at it for 5 years was way better than being stuck in a place for 8 hours a day with weird wacky individuals.yes think positive
shut up, i wish people like would acting like were all united in this together, were not, eventually, the country will make its citizens feral and it will every man for himself
My wife got laid off during "Approved Maternity Leave" during Christmas Vacation in the State of TX while working for a fortune 500 company. My wife confronted the H.R rep and the H.R rep explained that they (The Company) cannot legally get in trouble because all they have to do is just make up some random reason as to why my wife got fired and by doing so, the company is legally off the hook.
That's definitely not how that works. Making up a random reason doesn't get around legal employee protections. Maybe sometimes they get away with it but I hope she complained to whatever state and federal agencies are relevant (probably department of labor and whatever Texas has).
@@colinplaisance4274 Perhaps it is not healthy. But this is not a healthy world we live in. It's the most realistic way to look at it. And unfortunately it's the best way to protect yourself from getting screwed over.
i got fired from an amazon delivery company for cracking a wind-shield after losing 60 pounds from starvation (partially self inflicted. had a lot of debt to chew through)
I work as an entry level shelf stocker at a grocery store (my life is in shambles). The job sucks, and the store is having trouble hiring enough people. Instead of making the job easy, the managers do nothing but nag and constantly microaggress. Everyone in the store agrees the store manager is an idiot and a bully. On top of this, a guy who's worked for the company for years (decade+) had back issues from the job, and the company is currently fighting him to avoid paying hits medical costs. You can literally break your back for a company and they will just get rid of you
Funny you mentioned breaking your back. I crushed a disc in mine and it took the military 25 years to acknowledge it. Due to the injury I was able to retire and I'm so glad I'm not working in this market anymore. *I had to work two full-time jobs to make ends meet, and without veteran's benefits I had no healthcare insurance.* I lost loyalty on some of my first jobs. *I made improvements of their products and production methods, and got no credit for any of it.* Why make more money for them and not get a share of it? *LEARN SOME TRADES!* Create A Job You Can't Be Fired From.
I had a co worker who had been with the company for 30yrs. They told him on a Friday it was his last day with the company. He was let go that same day. No warning. No ability to prepare. He did get severance at least.
Thank god he got a severance after 30 FRIGGIN YEARS! I was expecting something along the lines of "decapitation" or "electric chair". How noble of them!
I saw the signs that my company was doing layoffs in 2011-2013. At 51, I was offered a comparable job (more pay) with another company so I did a "preemptive resignation" having experienced this in the 1990s. My supervisor then was a great guy to work with and I hated leaving him however the writing was on the wall. He said HR would do a departure interview with me and I wanted to say good things about him. No interview took place. All I got from HR was well wishes and that's when I knew I made the right decision. 4 months after I left, my unit was disbanded and everyone was let go.
My relationship with my company is simple. You hired me to do a job, and I agreed to take money for that job. Every year I negotiate a raise and bonus that fits what I need. And if the company fails to meet my needs, I leave. They are super willing to fire me at a moments notice, so I have no incentive to stick around when they don't meet my needs.
