@@pf4877 actually no. if u went back and actually read trumps “agreement” it wasnt to completely withdraw out of afghan. it included leaving behind a skeleton force sorta like in germany or japan after ww2. biden went in a completely new direction and withdrew 100% of all forces. i get why you would want to defend your failure of a president and vote.
it only took a few laps around cota to totally become an RS660 simp. The chassis is sublime, the looks are gorgeous and the Italian details make it well worth the price. And it's still cheaper than most fully-faired Ducatis.
@@davidabad173 You're talking about taking a $12k bike on track b ut you can't afford to fix it if you kill it? Tune that Yam to the same power and the Aprillia will be more reliable because its still stock.
@@davidabad173 if you want an affordable track toy the R7 is absolutely the way to go. Cheaper parts, almost certainly more reliable, better resale. Having said that if I was on a budget I'd pick up a track modified SV650 and decide on R7/ RS660 / Street Triple / Daytona etc when you have had time to test ride them and the experience to judge them.
@@davidabad173 So buy a CB500 and get more reliability again. I've never read such a load of nonsense. I get it - you're so far up the R7's can you can see its throttle bodies. Thats not going to make it the better bike whatever daft "reliability" claims you want to make.
I put an order in for an RS660 a month ago, and your R7 video had me doubting and regretting my choice. This video has reassured me that the RS660 was the right choice for me. Can’t wait for it to get here. Awesome video guys! From the production quality, to the dialogue and real world comparison…you guys just keep raising the bar!
Good choice. You can't go wrong with the 660. I picked up mine 3 weeks ago and I am in love lol. The early issues that occurred are no longer an issue. Bike is just a fun comfortable enjoyable machine. Haven't even opened her up yet since I'm still in the break in phase but man is it such a nice bike. Wait til you get on yours. You'll be in awe after your first ride.
@@johnny_cash7588 I’ve actually already ridden one. I rented one from Riders Share for a weekend and ripped around the LA canyons. It’s the perfect amount of bike for me. I was just worried after the R7 review came out that maybe I should have waited until I got to ride one of those. But this review tells me everything I needed to feel secure in choosing the RS
@@oneviperbite Did you rent one from MotoforAll guys?? They are the biggest in LA area and I rented one from them too lol. Congrats on your new RS buddy. It is a sweet sweet bike.
@@stubbingtonmarigold3032 what do you mean?? Show me an article or post where there's an open recall after June of this year. The engine issue was fixed for those they had problems. Most other small issues were taken care of under warranty. And all bikes built after July are shipped without affected parts. Do you own one? Or just sharing what others have already said
I was a bit scared putting my ass on the R7 but it just took a sec and realised my body is way more suited to the rs660. It's my first bike (yes I've dropped it once, it's fine), and I just love her so freaking much, the sound, the feel.. I'm comparing her to a buell 1125r and the street tripleRS basically bikes I know well, she's def it's own even among lovely oddballs. The R7 sure is cute though.
Put my deposit down on the 60th Anniversary World GP R7 earlier this week. Now my 05 ZX6R 636 will be converted to a track day bike like I originally planned when I bought it. Well when the R7, hopefully, arrives in January.
You have come from funny voice over videos about motorcycle stereotypes and are now here. This is real motorcycle journalism. Congrats Yam & Team, you have earned at least 1 Million subs!
I've never owned a Yamaha and never owned and Aprilia but for myself I'd go with the Yamaha. I like the looks, and the power (or maybe more accurately "torque") range is a lot better for most street riders, ... and then there's the reputation for reliability.
@@michaeljohnson2922 CBR650 is a very different bike. It's way heavier way more upright, more of a sport tourer to the R7s supersport. With all that extra weight I don't think it would even be faster to 100.
Aprilia all day. It’s way more beautiful compared to the generic Japanese bike looks, and it’s Italian. My opinion has nothing to do with the fact that I own a 2021 Aprilia Tuono V4 1100 Factory….
Yeah man, I’m about to hit 42. I had a RS125 with 33hp that would embarrass a lot of 600’s over a long run. This really makes me want the mid sized version, guessing the twin will be pretty similar to the old 2 stroke.
RS660 without regrets. For me it was more an emotional choice rather than one of reason. So far we scream and laugh out loud at near full throttle while the electronics keep an eye out. It is still my hop on anytime bike of choice out of my stable👌
Im looking into getting the tuono 660 factory and its exactly the same for me, its an emotional choice. Even if the mt09 has better value for comparison. How is reliabilty? Ive heard some pretty discouraging stories. Especially like the engine dying in 4th/5th gear on highways
@@Black_Drako anybody who gets a 660 wants to be different and puts more of themselves into what they ride then what normal riders do and go for. Gixxers , Yamaha bikes, kawas, and Hondas are the way for normal people with self esteem outside of the bike. Anything like Ducati, Aprilia or any other off brand is hella try hard UNLESS it’s a track bike. I cringe at anybody I see on the street who rides any of those bikes because I know they paid a dumb amount for a bike they’ll never truly use and only got it because of clout.
If I had the opportunity and could only pick one I will say this is quite a challenge in regards of which I would pick. I honestly like the look of the Yamaha a lot more and the sound plus linear is good for me but the 660 I do like different tech options and I feel the ergonomics might be better. If I could get the 660 in that blue I’d probably do that but the price is a bit high for me. I’m gonna pick the Yamaha R7 I also feel safer knowing the reliability is more solid with Yamaha. If it was my money I’d get the Yamaha.
We just learnt that if you take the same cubic capacity, and increase the top end horsepower, considerable low end power is given up. And on normal roads this is not a good trade off,
@@leegarrett5469 that won't make up for it. Unless the high horsepower engine has cvt or an auto. And be prepared to be screaming the engine to get the torque that's now at 10000rpm peak.
The difference on the power band is what makes a motorcycle fun. If you want to go slow, you can, and if you want to go fast, you push it... Reminds me the SRAD 1996.. after 8000, it transformed into a different motorcycle. :)
Thank you guys for actually making a comparison video of R7 and RS660. As an CBR650R owner and have ridden RS660, I would much like to see my bike in the mix since it sits somewhere between those two but I know it's kind of hard to find one just to do a comparison because no one is renting it out. CBR is heavier but with more hp at the top end than R7 and has similar power delivery characteristics as RS660 so it would be fun comparison I think. It also priced somewhere between R7 and RS660 in the US. As for the performance numbers....someone from Europe (UK I believe) has website called Motostatz and they do performance tests perform by one dude and fortunately they tested all 3 bikes already. Performance time might be inaccurate since it is heavily depend on rider's weight and skill level but it gives you a sort of basic idea of how those 3 bikes would compare. From 0-60 mph, R7 takes the lead with 3.27 secs followed by RS660 with 3.29 sec and CBR with 3.33 secs. From 0-80 mph, RS660 is the fastest with 4.75, CBR with 5.03 and R7 with 5.07. From 0-110 mph, RS660 is still the fastest with 8.15, CBR with 9.03 and R7 with 10 flat. Pretty much R7 takes off hard until 70ish mph then RS660 and CBR catches up and slowly move away. However, both R7 and CBR are missing quick-shifter while RS660 has one on stock. As for cornering, I think RS660 would be the fastest going around the corner since it has weight advantage and better tire but R7 would be right behind and as for CBR...it would be a bit tricky to go fast on corner since it seems like there is a tiny bit of delay when I tried to lean for corner. However, if you can manage to time it right and put same tires as RS660, CBR would have no problem keeping up with RS660 on twisted road as I had no problem keeping up with my buddy's S1000R (Not RR) with stock tires. As for the Kawasaki bros and sis.....unfortunately Ninja 650 is a bit down in performance than those 3 bikes since 0-60 is 3.53, 0-80 is 5.92 and 0-110 is 12.10 but it was the most comfortable 650 class sport bike I have ridden and I think it looks awesome as well. Also you can still get zx6r, which destroys all 3 bikes in performance, for under $10k at some dealership since this year is the last year for zx6r I think.
Wrong numbers on kawasaki. Take a min to think about 0-60 and 0-80 times.... Too close. 0-60 might be high 3 sec or low 4 sec. The vídeo also shows the rider weight reeeeally matters.
@@filipematos1821 Sorry about that, it was a typo. It is actually 3.53 and I fixed it. Also I already mention the rider weight affecting the performance numbers on my comment as well. Those tests are done by single person so besides the time figures it is pretty accurate comparison.
Great comment, much appreciated as this was the comparison I was also looking for. Fantastic video regardless, especially delving into the RS a bit more, so now I know my true choice is between RS and CBR. I'll be keeping my eyes on the web for further reviews on the RS reliability as I'll want to know that the next iteration has dealt with it's initial issues.
Its almost as if acceleration performance was somehow related to horsepower. Who would have guessed? 🤣 Also could we stop with this whole “Torque” thing on sports motorbikes? Its bullshit and wrong.
People forget the maintenance on Aprilia. I have an aprilia and Suzuki. $400 for a valve adjustment for the Suzuki. $2000 for the Aprilia. So if you going to start on a bike and it’s your first, start with a brand that is cheaper
Yeah. People also say "Get a 1000! Get a 1000!" While never talking about the maintenance cost. No wonder many stay in the garage more than on the road.
@Kappa that makes a lot of sense now. Yea man Bmw’s, Volkswagen, Audi’s, Aprilia, Ducati, and anything that is European is a hell of a lot to maintain in the United States. Honestly it is a rip off.
The yamaha would be undeniably one of the most reliable motorcycles money can buy. The rs660 should be okay…so far they’ve had a couple of recalls that got taken care of relatively easily.
@@Damiv the connecting rods breaking isn't some little "new engine problem" if it would leak stuff or rattle something loose ok, but the engine literally explodes
Excellent review !! U guys brought out all the things that need to b considered. Id go w the R7. Your comments that "it comes into its own when its on the side of its tire" is 88% of what i care about 🙂. The other 12% i care about is an engine that is always "right there, ready to assist the carve". 😁😁. R7 👍
There are a few r7’s and some rs660’s that have already been racing in twins cup and the r7’s don’t get walked on. Last race I watched one of the rs660’s had problems and couldn’t finish the race which is worth thinking about.
I don’t know what races you’re watching… lol!!! Since the RS came to moto America, it’s been basically an Aprilia sweep EVERY RACE! you need to watch more race pal. Lol!!!!!!
Having rode both bikes in Twins Cup. Both are great bikes but very different characteristics. When built to that rules package both are pretty evenly matched
@@GotPoopWeScoop just drive both and you won't say something like that! The sound from the CP2 is just bad without an extra exhaust. RS is 1000x better whit Orginal exhaust. when the rocket 🚀 starts by RS660 by 7000rpm, the CP2 just feels boring. You fell like the cp2 is standing on the spot 🤣
You should do the custom setting on the 660 with the engine management on the least obtrusive setting. Dynamic mode still has one less throttle setting.
High quality comparo. Well done Gents. I think this really highlighted what the bikes can do beyond the spec sheet and what purpose they might fit depending on the type of experience you are after. I really appreciate this cus I am looking to upgrade next year from a CBR500R..
Even though the Aprilia has far more electronics than the R7, I would still take the R7 any day just because I want a bike that I can depend on that won’t throw check engine lights after every ride.
Totally agree, there are so many problems popping up with the Aprilia 660, lots of info regarding reliability issues coming from moto American twins cup.
For the price of the RS660 I could buy a triumph street triple R. More HP with a majority of the aprillia’s bells and whistles and even has a short person variety as a 5’6 person.
Your words at 27 minutes and some change were all I needed. I've been kicking this one around for a couple years. I want long term. When you said the rs660 could be your "finisher bike, " that sold it. The next bike I get, I want it to be the "last bike I get..." at least for the next 10 years lol
Was looking into both of these bikes , but r7 seemed to aggressive for me as an all rounder bike, and aprilia well.. didn’t want to pay a huge extra premium for it to sit in the dealers garage more then my own. Ended up opting for cbr650r and been super happy with it. Kind of a nice middle ground but with an i4 :) plus r7 was only $100CAD less than the cbr here in Canada so was kind of a no brainer . Rs660 was about 2.5k more
at that point just buy a faster bike ..if you want a super sport style faster bike by the time you buy a r7 and install turbo its way cheaper to buy a older r1 and have a vastly superior bike in every way
@@ThatGuyRides r7 ..9 grand ..turbo kit ecu flash exhaust etc 6,063 dollars not including any labor costs ...and this will net you roughly 112 to 125hp ...my 02 r1 cost under 5k has 150 hp or a used kawasaki h2 will cost you around 16k (same as a r7and turbo ) and will net youa 197hp supercharged bike...do what you like but in my opinion its a serious waste of money to boost a entry level bike just buy a faster stock machine
@@carolinayamadawg8706 yea I agree to disagree. That's the equivalent of telling someone that wants to boost there car to just buy a faster car cause it's cheaper and already built. Sometimes I think it's more about the journey and people you meet along the way then the money. I mean instead of boosting the busa they (yammie) could of just bought a used h2 like you said and saved money. It all comes down to the experience imo 🤷
Proven over time reliability , cost of parts , high number of service shops around the country play a big part as to what bike or car I would buy . You should consider all these things when making any purchase .
The RS660 is a good looking bike and preforms well but at the end of the day I would go with the R7. R7 is cheaper and I have way more places to have it serviced if need be and you can't beat Yamaha dependability. Hope you do the same comparison but with the R7 & CBR650R.
Well theres gearing and then theres the fact a bike hanging with another for about a second or two and then getting left badly does not equal “it running with it.”
Suspension wise, fully adjustable only real matters if you need to fully adjust it... Sometimes they just work out of the box. Also RS660 rear suspension is tension/rebound in one dial (not rebound only).
Hey, Yammie ! While doing ride test comparisons, I suggest that you carry extra weight on the bike that you are riding, in order to match your weight to Spite's, to get a more accurate comparison of the two motorcycles. 🏍🤷♂️ 🛵
Question answered! Monday 12/26/2022 I did a group ride here in so cal. Nice day, decent road conditions, riding through the local mountain roads. I have been waiting for the chance to ride with a R7. All the hype and RU-vid comparisons. The R7 has nothing on the Touno 660. I had to brake constantly to not run it over. Until I completely destroyed the R7. If you want a middle weight naked buy the 660 Touno.
Personally my number 1 question for my next bike is if it as cruise control. My daily drive is a 30 minutes highway ride. So cruise control is a great plus.
I've owned the Yamaha FZ-07 and now own the Aprilia Tuono 660. Hands down, the Priller handles *Way* better. It feels so connected like I just think what I want to do and the Tuono does it. Power wise, the Tuono feels stronger too, but I do notice that it is geared on the tall side. Your comparison of 3rd for the Aprilia vs 2nd for the Yamaha may not be too far off.
This is such a poor review of the RS660. I own the Tuono 660 and the electronics are definitely not overkill! Once you get familiar with the bike you realise that the extra tweaking options really give you the opportunity to dial it in to almost perfection. Having come from a Z900RS to the Tuono 660 I can tell you the extra electronics are very appreciated. Also cruise-control? It is so good on the highway that it complements the 660 platform's feel in the twisties. Come on guys, give the Tuono 660 a review and compare it to the MT-07 (or similar) and you will see what I mean! All that said, love the channel and content, just wish I could get in on the giveaway action over here in the UK :-) Ride safe guys!
If aprilia was more reliable as a brand this would be a no brainer. Yamaha trolled the population by saying it’d be more comfortable than an r6. I rode the r7. And let me tell you, it’s exactly the same as the r6. Ergos wise. What they really meant was the r7 power is what makes it more comfortable. Big miss by Yamaha in my opinion. A reliable rs660 is miles ahead of a r7 . However since Yamaha is such a reliable brand , I can see them getting more sales.
as an rs660 simp - i sat (not ride) on the YR7 and I was like WTF this is very aggressive. That's the coolest part of the R7, naked power, supersport ergos. I'm actually really hyped that the Yam crew got this comparison perfect. Both are great options and we as motorcycle enthusiasts benefit
My thoughts as well. I don't hate hate the bike by ANY MEANS .. I just hate that it is labeled an "R"7...... which it is not deserving. BEAUTIFUL BIKE, BEAUTIFUL RIDE, but NOT an " R" class machine. Going from screaming inline 4, to a mediocre inline twin.. yeah...no. that's like Koenigsegg putting out a 4 cylinder, and putting it it top tier race class..
@@Motoplugg true , however the rs660 is just as good engine feel wise. More comfortable plus sport bike engine still slaps. Like I said, if it was a more reliable brand it’d be a no brain decision.
@@animationcycles7109 I hate to break it to you by the R1 is the only inline 4 left in Yamahas road legal R line. R125 and R15 are singles, R3 and R7 are twins. Never heard anyone complain that they're R bikes, but everyone seems to get offended that the R7 is an R bike. R for yamaha just means sportbike, as it does with every other manufacturer and their sportbike line. Get a grip
As a new rider who's coming off a cb300r, honda single cylinder, i would much rather pick up the aprillia as a second bike rather than the R7. I feel lile the R7 is more of a beginners bike.
Right now, R7 makes so much more sense, its cheap, economical to run, economical to service and repair, has a shit ton of parts and easy to find them. R7 knows what it is and its not ashamed of it. Aprilia is just a less capable 600cc class bike in my eyes. And they lied about a lot of stuff concerning rs660. Horsepower, MPG, weight and that suspension might feel good on the street but on the track you will need to adjust it. You will replace those forks if you drive it like intended and still get beaten to death by a 10 year old R6.
Dropped money on two r7 reservations today. Hearing it’s comparable to a setup SV650 made me feel good as that was my initial target. Will be doing my racing license course next year and hope to get in on some super twin racing in 2023. Pretty stoked! Got one blue and one in black.
You act like you'v said something heretic The CP2 is famous for having a godlike sound, and obviously the RS looks great :) cant go wrong with either if you have just a bit of experience and need a great sports bike that you can actually use.
@@Surpriseify haha fair enough.... I'm just saying last time I commented something similar to this on another channel I got chewed up lmao just wanted to clarify I legit have no idea what I'm talking about
@Kappa Eh i'v heard both with "loud pipes" they to me have their own flavour each, i personally think the MT sounds more "muscle" than the Aprilia. Nothing comes close to my VFR 1200, so no big deal either way :P
On the road “down low” torque is everything. Yamaha does it right. Give me Reliability and torque, and I am a very happy rider. The Italian bikes, and cars are all about beauty, and high reving speed, they could care less about reliability or cost of maintenance. Give me a reliable Japanese bike any day and you can keep your beautiful piece of expensive Italian art.
The R7 was deliberately down tuned. For sake of comparison...'80's EX500 twin put down 60hp..another 200cc (40% displacement) gets 84hp from a theoretical EX700. I have to think the R7 could be made to go 100hp with not to exotic mods. Really cool they did it in full manual mode. You gotta learn how to ride at some point. But in order to improve as a rider, the performance envelope of the bike has to be lower than the rider's capability. So ride an R7 hard for some time and you will get good.
Too many things to go wrong with all the tech on the Aprilia. The R7 and CBR650R stick to the basics of getting out riding which to me is much more appealing than all of the BS that comes on the 660. Call me simple but simple is reliable.
What I “want” in my sport bike is everything that is my RSV4! These beginner bikes are cute and all but nothing can match the fun and lunacy of unleashing 200 hp all the way up to 14k rpm! Ok, I was being cheeky there with the “beginner bike comment but I just couldn’t see having as much fun on a 75-100 hp sport bike as I do on my RSV4. That said, I’ve been riding sport bikes for 26 years so I need a little more (or a lot more) power to really get the giggles. Personally I really love the Ducati Panigale V2 for that reason because it does have plenty of power (150 hp) to have fun on while not being quite as maniacal as my RSV4. But for the price both the RS660 (and particularly the R7) are really great bikes that will definitely satisfy the vast majority of riders.
That's why I wouldn't want to commit to getting the 2022 R7, because I feel the next iterations will be awesome and quite possibly electronically assisted
@@davidabad173 No he's right - most people can use a gearbox and will use the best gear for their bike in whatever situation they are in. Bottom end only comes into it if you ride it like an automatic scooter.
@@davidabad173 No. He's picking a certain rpm range to try and make it look like the R7 has a chance. In reality people can use a gearbox and the only time you're going to sit there a gear or two too high while racing(!) is if you're missing a foot or some brain cells. Thats not comparing performace - thats trying to get a headline. Zero to any speed the RS is faster and also faster from/to any increment of that too. There is nowhere the R7 is faster unless the RS is knobbled by fakery like leaving it in the wrong gear. The difference is the RS is the better bike. But then it should be because its more money.
@@davidabad173 So both use exactly the same 2nd gear ratio, do they? Infact lets ignore even that and go one step further into the easy to understand realm - what speed do they top out at in 2nd each? Doing pulls in a gear at a set rpm doesn't show engine torque unless they are matched for gearing and its a pointless exercise anyway if one can rev way higher than the other because then you're into what percentage of rpm they're at. If you have 10,000rpm and want performance you're not going to give it full throttle at 3,000rpm unless you're a moron. Obviously it matters what people do with the gearbox or there would be no point having one in the first place. The point is at every single road speed the RS is faster. What gear its in to do that is completely irrelevant.
@@davidabad173 Im sorry what? More torque gets you from turn to turn?! Why doesnt everyone ride harleys at a track day then? No no, torque is pointless. Power is what you want at a track day and its also what you feel on the road. Besides, this test only shows which bike has more power at very low revs. The RS is tuned for top end so naturally you lose out a bit at the bottom. Believe it or not, most people can actually keep their bikes in the powerband thus this roll on from 3000rpm is pointless. Performance IS horsepower.
Looking at getting a rs 660 this year. And also to note you can find plenty of them for literally the same price as the R7 which is a huge factor if you’re thinking of buying either of these.
