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Well when all is said and done, nothing will ever change until the RV industry is regulated like the automobile industry. Thanks for your efforts Liz!!!❤
Two tools that are a must when shopping for a new or used RV. They are a flashlight and an inspection mirror. Use them to look behind areas that you normally don't see . Look under counter tops. Remove some cabinet drawers , look at undersides. backsides . Look at pluming piping , fasteners, electrical fuse and relay boxes . Wear work type clothes and don't be afraid to get a little dirty. The Quality and craftmanship of that RV will jump out at you if you look behind the pretty covering.
I hope you didn’t quit RV’ing because you are a great source of information and support to all of us. Thank you for all you do and stay safe out there. And if someone bothers you just let us know and we all come running 🏃 to protect you. 😊
Hope TT can help keep you under the radar too! I recognized you last yr at Bend in ur old rig from RU-vid and name on pedestal..sure was great meet you! Safe travels and keep up the great work you have a big heart helping the fire victims!❤️
Our roads are not being maintained as in years past.i drive a tractor trailer. I've had a roof mounted faring mount bolt punch through my sleeper roof. Its happened with multiple brands of tractors. Im thinking the engineers designing the rv and vehicles in general never planned to overcome the new low in highway maintenance and / or road bed replacement. Bridge joints and even bridges. Im replacing suspension parts on a yearly instead of a 7-year basis.. Poor part quality is a factor as well. As a nation we need a manufacturing base like we had, to have a tax base to properly maintain our roads along with competition amongst parts manufacturers. To many times, oem isn't releasing specs on parts. Oem only.. sometimes horrible quality...
@@hawkeyetec I am sure the state of the roads doesn't help, but a lot of this is just poor quality manufacturing. They cheapen up on the frame to cut costs and lighten the weight, but end up with bent frames and torsion. RVs have always used cheap components on the mass market rv's, but now they are relying on really cheap stuff. The couple with the leaking 5th wheel, if you look at the frame jack there is a weld in it that is really poorly done ( a professional welder teaching an apprentice would not be pleased with it). Word is the factories fired long term employees to save money and that is never a good thing. The other thing is that factories during the pandemic really stretched themselves thin to meet demand and likely became even less picky about quality, like using components that were marginal and that has become the supply chain. With a mass production industry like most RVs the problem is once quality becomes like this there is little incentive to fix it. One thing that would help is a national lemon law for RVs as there is for cars ( states have lemon laws as well for cars, but that leaves big loopholes where dealers would move to states without lemon laws).
Liz, you are AMAZING. If only more of the larger channels would follow your wonderful example and start holding the manufacturers feet to the fire. Once the CEOs see their sales decline and the major shareholders get a smaller dividend then we will definitely see some better quality control. Market forces will always prevail. Money speaks louder than words.
If your seeing cracks everywhere it’s a guarantee the frame underneath and the support structure to the sides and walls are flexing to the point of serious failure.
Of course you don’t want to tell us what you are RVing in now, but we’d sure like to know. Kudos to you for helping all the RVers! It was GREAT NEWS today. I’m proud of you Liz.
Great video, Liz. Very wise, for many different reasons, to decide to travel a little more discreet right now. It only takes one unbalanced person to cause a scene or harm.
Low profile? Are you going to a sticks&bricks for the moment? WE LOVE LIZ - every one of these rv channels should be speaking about similar pros/ cons of makes/models to educate the public and force manufacturers/ lawmakers becoming aligned in product guarantees and keeping America strong in this manufacturing world.. Always the best to you Liz
Ya know Liz. it's really important what you are doing here. As a (now retired) fabricator and contractor, I think it would be useful for you to do a couple topic specific episodes on 1) how to document/film/record issues and interactions with sellers/manufacturers, 2) how repairs are actually accomplished (or how they cannot be accomplished), 3) how the industry uses materials that are really not designed for the applications, and 4) how it can be done right (give cudos to those that don't have issues).
Great work helping out those afflicted with serious RV issues. I can understand your desire to fly below the radar at this point. I hear Grand Design is considering making a stealth RV.......the frame disappears first.
It was great to get the updates on all these RV’s. I hope all their issues are truly resolved! Did you purchase something new or used? I’d be afraid to buy anything new right now with all the “hack jobs” being done on the RV’s😡 Thank you for all you do in keeping viewers informed👏 Blessings 🙏
Bravo….you Are making a difference. We need more folks like you advocating for the RV owners. I am so happy that you are seeing success with your following & please keep it up. Thank you, Liz
I'm new at the Nomad thing. Only been in my Class C full time since Nov 2023. Mine is a 2000 model Thor Chateau. It only has 33,000 miles on it. It's beautiful and seems like it's really never been used. The engine even looks brand new and it runs beautifully and smooth. I'll be 69 this year having lost my husband last year and I sure don't want to go through issues with this. But I've renovated it myself (shocking I could do all this) and it's a perfect home for me. Thanks so much Liz and I can't wait to hear what you're living in.
That's awesome Kathy that you have a 2000. I bet it's solid. And I am standing in the RV in the video, I love it already! Thanks for watching and see you on the road.
Hi lady...you are probably getting tired of being told how good your doing...but..you are doing a great job...your helping people understand as well as getting things done for them...alot of work...but this is what happens when you step up and become a leader...thank you...🎉...J&A2ofus
Gosh, our luck with our '08 Phaeton is commendable then, as we've only had one major repair since buying 5 years ago, as everything else has been tiny jobs to fix myself, as with all RV's. I was impressed, how Tiffin stepped up to get their RV to their plant for repairs, and I hope they go through the unit, and check for defects throughout, so no issues are further found.
Liz you’re doing an amazing thing for all these people & future ones!! I truly hope all your hard work makes a positive difference in the RV industry because it is desperately needed❤
You have done some real good with this series of videos. So sorry you’re feeling unsafe with your notoriety that you can’t share probably very wise your peace of mind and safety is important. I have family in the security business bodyguards private contractors. If you need any security hope you’re still having fun. I always enjoy your videos. Hope to see you on the road someday soon safe travels.
Hi Liz, I went to deluxe rv in Carstairs Alberta to get a new toilet installed, as soon as I got the rv home I hooked up the water the toilet leaked bad at the bottom. They never even tested it, I called them back right away to bring the rv back and told me they are booked up and you can bring your rv back in 2 months. I had to go to another rv repair business to get it fixed right away. Deluxe rv charged me $150 for the job, that now that they should have fixed right away, now I’m out another $150 to get the job done right, thanks Richard from Carstairs
That's so crazy. They should have hooked everything up on your walk through. Then, if it wasn't right they would have (should have) fixed it on the spot. Shame on them!
You are doing a great job Liz, and please keep it up. Your videos are bringing out chance for the people that you profile. This is the only way that consumers can get resolution to these problems.
Like Dave Ramsey says, 'buying an RV is like taking a pile of cash and lighting it on fire'. They seem to be very expensive toys that are poorly built.
Keep it up Liz!!! Good work. My 2008 Cougar 5th Wheel was amazing. Had yearly maintenance done it and got lots of Compliments for everyone who worked on it We are buying another one and will remodel interior again All my Prayers to all those who are having problems and to you Liz
I built fibreglass boats for many years with my father, (Mach I and Envision Boats). I believe what happened with the cracks is when there is not enough fibreglass and not the right fibreglass, Matt is what it's called and no support underneath the fibreglass it cracks. Now i understand that new and different type of compounds and fiberglass. But that's my take and could be totally wrong. Just throwing it out there.
@@LizAmazing Please do, so many new technologies. But it comes down to Gel coat thickness also, the less millimeters of gelcoat easier to fracture out and break. Repaired several in my day on warranty. Thanks Brian
My parents bought a Boles Aero camper in the 60s. Never had a bit of trouble with it. We traveled for a month during the summer, always out west. Some great memories as a kid. Now we have a timeshare and really enjoy it. Too old to camp.
You are absolutely awesome for all that you have done to promote fair and equitable customer support, as well as highlighting the inferior manufacturing quality of the makers.
So awesome to watch this follow-up and I have to believe that your work is having a positive effect amongst the RV industry. Go stealth with your new RV so that the goon squad never knows where you are!
The conditions in which Fiberglass is reapplyed and gel coats to fix these problems is also important otherwise you will still end up with cracking. Ty for the link to the update.
After thinking long and hard I finally just got a used Toy hauler let me say she has been 100 percent dependable I did replace the Batteries . Been traveling the Southwest in style and trouble free with no problems. New is not always the answer after hearing of all the nightmares when buying new !
So much change is needed in the RV industry from Manufacturer to Dealer (and to some extent consumer education for people who overload and fail to maintain). Manufacturers and dealers are going to destroy their own market, and no one is going to want to RV, if they don't get their act together soon. As Liz said, social media will drive this, and they can't hide in the shadows with sub-par products and lousy service.
That's the way! Not a good time to buy new, but trailers and fifth wheels built in 2018 and before tend to be well-built. The motorhome sweet spot is 2002 to 2008. Whatever you buy, join the Facebook group of the model to get the scoop from owners. And always get an inspection. Another advantage of buying used is the seller has typically gotten the kinks out. Thanks for watching. For more about what to buy used see my recent video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JSo5n2B62MA.html
It's so important to get an inspection completed on your rig before you buy the unit. I would think that a lot of these issues would have been discovered with a certified RV inspection. Great information.
You're providing good help and I'm sure it's appreciated by those whose problems were resolved. Sadly, these types of "movements" often wither because most people are satisfied having their particular issue settled. And, right now, the makers seem obliged to resolved individual cases b/c they know a class action and/or regulatory movement would cost them much more. It's long overdue for there to be a higher level of industry oversight considering the potential for on-road catastrophic failures that could lead to injury and/or death. I genuinely hope it doesn't take lives lost for there to be significant action.
Oh my god these things are made so cheaply. Thin plastic sheeting over pressboard. What do the manufacturers think was going to happen? Thanks for everything you do, you are the best possible advocate for anyone buying a post 2018 RV.
Thank you. You are a fighter for the people. The RV industry needs to realize that if people are going to spend thousands of dollars on a product, they need to ensure that a good product is provided!!
This series has been great (and eye opening) but yikes, I figured you must be taking some heat. So sorry you had you sell your Alfa so you could fly under the radar, what a world we’re living in.
I’m happy things are working out for these couples and I’m glad the one couple hired an attorney. They deserve to win. But I am completely shocked that you sold your motorhome! I thought you loved it! Will we see what you replaced it with? 🤔 Stay safe Liz!🍀🙋🏻♀️
Hi Theresa. No, I won't be sharing the exterior of it on social media. I really feel like my home on wheels needs to be something I keep private from now on. And I did indeed love that motorhome. So glad I enjoyed the heck out of it the entire time I had it. Thanks for being here through thick and thin.
As a former RV tech I personally own a 2008 Thor 4 winds super C. We've looked at newer ones but I like the simplicity and ease of serviceability of what we have.
The major problem with the RV industry is often there are several manufacturers that are responsible for the finished product. One will make the frame, another will make the siding, and another might provide the engine and running gear. When you develop a problem, you are tossed from pillar to post trying to get someone to take responsibility for the problem. Having been associated with the RV industry for 20 years I have seen many of these problems coming up and the hell people have to go through to get the problem fixed. There needs to be more regulation of the industry so one firm has to take responsibility for the finished unit and that they have to deal with their suppliers.
Due to all these nightmares people have with their RVs, I decided to buy a van and build it out myself. I know everything that in my built is top notch and it safe to use and drive !
Thank you for your continued support and fighting for the rec vehicle owners .Hopefully you will be out of business one of these days !!!Miss your motorhome. Interior soooo beautiful. Best wishes as you "ease on down the road".Hope your unit is 99.9999 percent perfect.Peace be with you. 😇🌹
Thanks Charlene! I had an RV mfr try to buy me in exchange for not posting a video. That got me thinking that what I am doing is really making an impact. I wasn't concerned at the mfr level, more so on the dealer level. I don't want to worry about some half crazed salesman wanting to slash my tires. I know it was a long shot but I didn't want to wait until it became obvious that I need to be incognito. So now I'm flying under the radar. Thanks for your support!
I've watched numerous videos of yours. I'm thinking we as customers have to insist that when you buy a brand new RV, yes make that downpayment but then there is going to be a mandatory 30 day by back if serous troubles break out.
Thanks Liz. You have been through a lot yourself. Please becareful dealing with all this. You are hitting their profit ratios making the industry deal with and fix their stuff. Again God love you for stepping up and using the power of your channel. The owners of these corporations should be really ashamed of letting some of the products out the door.
These corporations are not owned by any one person, not even Tiffin, They are all on the New York Stock Exchange. They will keep building junk as long as people will keep buying it.
We've enjoyed our 2015 pull behind for the past five years. It was always a dream to upgrade to a fifth wheel at some point, but now I'm REALLY worried about build quality and under-engineering. We'd always buy used, and likely pre-2019 models based on the reports of catastrophic failures since that time.
Great job Liz 👍. I can't believe that you sold the Alfa motor home. You were after that RV for quite some time. Colton and Jamie sure have a mess on their hands. I hope the lawyer can get it resolved soon.
Hi Jimmy! Yeah, I loved that motorhome, glad I got lots of use out of it before I sold. And I will definitely keep you updated about Colt and Jamie. Thanks for watching.
I’m so sorry you had to sell your motor home, I know you loved it and did so many upgrades, but better safe then sorry. We have been concerned that you would received some threats in subtle ways. Stay safe and keep up the good work, but remember your safety comes first.
Hello Liz. Great to see the results that you brought about. Keep holding everyone's feet to the fire. Either they make them better up front or pay four times more fixing them later. That nice young couple is correct. Fixing the cracks is NOT the root cause. Anyone who knows anything knows this is a structural problem. Smart move to become less visible. Hope you are having some fun in between videos.
It's great that jayco stepped up and did the right thing. I hope it didn't occur because they are afraid of all the negative publicity if they didn't, but I suspect that plays a role in their kind gesture.
I wish you could help Paving New Paths. Their Grand Design Momentum has frame failure. Because of it, they can no longer travel. Maybe you are already aware of them? I really feel for them. Thanks for your wonderful videos. Be safe!❤
I've reached out to them and we've been in contact but at this time they are handling it their way. They know I am ready and willing to help, so maybe they will take me up on their offer sometime.
I am happy that you have negotiated positive results for so many of these horror stories. As the youngsters would say, "You are da bomb." I do wonder though, why does it take an act of Congress ... no, Congress is currently paralyzed. Why does it take an act of God for the manufacturers to do what should have been done before the RVs leave the factory? Larry from Texas
Your videos have helped my husband and I so much. Thank you for such great videos. We purchased our first used travel trailer and we steered away from a lot of the brands mentioned. We also bought an older fiberglass trailer that checked most boxes for the quality we needed and did minor renovations. Stay safe!
Bravo, Liz, you are doing a great service for fellow RVers! it's about time the spotlight was cast on the abysmal products and lack of responsibility some of these RV manufacturers have demonstrated. It is incredulous to me that, considering how expensive RVs are, that so many manufacturers don't take responsibility for the monsters they have created and assist customers with the problems! Clearly, any business whose attitude is to sell junk to their customers knowing full well the experience will so sour them they won't be coming back again! What kind of business philosophy is that?! In the '70's Detroit was experiencing the effects of better made foreign cars coming into the country and eating their lunch. Market share of the big three (GM, Ford and Chrysler) plummeted and to this day has never returned to where it once was. American business philosophy has typically been "sell today, we don't care about tomorrow", whereas the foreign competition has been concerned with keeping happy customers coming back to the brand! How can any business entity long sustain itself with this kind of blatant consumer neglect?!
Yes. I've got that plaque. It's been over my right shoulder for the past dozen or so videos. BUT I haven't placed it in the new RV yet. Thanks for watching and have a great weekend!
Great video Liz thanks so much for being a help to so many people. I hope you are not giving up on RVing. Still hoped to see your Alpha one day , but now is stop looking lol . I know a lot of people are glad of your station and they have a right to be. You have brought light to there lives in so many ways. God Bless and protect you I will wait to see you next Great video.
Nope. I'm in the new RV in this video. I really loved that Alfa and am so glad I enjoyed the heck out of while I had it. Thanks so much for the blessings and kind words. Have a great week, Jeff!
These stories break my heart. People spend top dollar on these expensive poorly made trash and they have to fight tooth and nail to get things remedied. Having water egress causes future issues because once they leak, fasteners rust out and the poor quality plywood used in these campers deliminate and fail prematurely. The industry needs to take responsibility and start producing quality campers. Eventually, people will wise up and just refuse to buy any camper. These problems are not limited to one manufacturer but ALL of them today. I love all your videos. I am glad to see the follow-ups. I just wish everyone had the same happy ending these people did. For every one situation resolved, there are ten more still waiting for restitution.
Yep, it's never ending. And you are exactly right about water. It can lead to wood rot, rust, mold and electrical problems. Water inside and RV is never good. Thanks for watching.
Thanks Bob. I'm flying under the radar now. And it's a good feeling to have helped so many people. I plan to continue on with my mission! Thanks for watching
The follow up video was interesting! I think unfortunately we will still see nightmare RV stories for some time. Good luck Liz with your new RV or whatever you do !👍😁
Thank you for posting this. You know, for the price you folks pay for these rigs, you should NOT have to experience ANY problems at all in the first place. I am not looking for a motorhome, I am looking for an adventure van, but this still concerns me!!
Thanks for all that you do for the RV lifestyle. Unfortunately do to all the lack of real accountablity and the lying and denying by the Rv industry as a whole my wife and unwilling to get back into the lifestyle like we once were years ago. So Untill the industry as a whole is willing to be accountable; we don't want the headaches or financial losses that others have & are still suffering with. But thank you again for all you are doing to help everyone.
Sorry to hear that. Rv life is GREAT lifestyle, as you know. Not a good time to buy new, but trailers and fifth wheels built in 2018 and before tend to be well-built. The motorhome sweet spot is 2002 to 2008. Whatever you buy, join the Facebook group of the model to get the scoop from owners. And always get an inspection. Another advantage of buying used is the seller has typically gotten the kinks out. Thanks for watching. For more about what to buy used see my recent video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JSo5n2B62MA.html
Another awesome video. Please keep your foot on the gas. You are the Ralph Nader of the RV world. I hope that the people that you are helping give you something for your hard work. Keep the videos coming and stay safe out there.
