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I dont think the systems broken, i dont think we should let the name of the whiskey take away from rating it fairly. Ive never tried it, its most likely an amazing product, but at $2000 and if the oakiness is really as overpowering as you say, then so be it. The scoring system is turning out to be more of a value system, which isnt a bad thing. Ill take the thing that is available and affordable but not as good tasting over something like this that is over priced despite it being a better whiskey.
I agree with this, as is the current system is more of a value rating than purely juice rating. But you have all the inputs needed if you wanted to create a secondary list constructed from an equation which omits value/availability and adds some weight to the other categories.
It can’t even be that good it’s all hype that has it priced at what it is, remember is wasn’t always hard to find a super expensive. A lot of times people tell themselves they love the taste of something or that it’s good even if it’s not.
I bought a Balvenie. 14 year and week of peat. $160 dollars. Very oaky that resolved into a smoky butterscotch finish. Will buy another one when I can justify the cost.
Your #2 is Four Roses Single Barrel, which is like $45! I don't care if PVW is liquid gold.....I'd rather buy an ounce of pure gold and still save $500!
I was lucky enough to meet Julian van Winkle, at the very first whisky live, held in 2001. A decade later I met his son Preston at another whisky live event.
@@mikeries8549 Ewe have no clue what someone else's experiences are. Just because your Marxist Democrat friends lie all the time doesn't mean everyone does.
Your review was spot on in every respect. It is a wonderful whiskey to be sure. One of the best I’ve ever tasted. Is it THAT much better than the other fine whiskeys that I can get for $100-200? Not in my mind, it isn’t. I’m glad I got to taste it. I’d never pay thousands of dollars for my own bottle even if I could find it, which I likely can’t
Availability score is low because you can't find it commonly at MSRP. Value, then, could be based purely off MSRP, as secondary market prices are, typically, going to be reflected in whiskeys with low Availability scores. Just my 2 cents. Loved the review.
Please consider availability ranking as purchasing on a primary market. Just because you can buy it for $2k on seco dary doesnt make it available. Any bottle could be a 100 on availability if you can purchase it for any prodigious price on secondary with the logic you are using. Love your reviews though!
I'll be honest.....I don't have the nose or palate to find the nuance between $100 bourbon and $2500. I'll stick with Woodford Reserve double oaked because that's my favorite. To those that can, I salute you.
I have no doubt that Pappy Van Winkle 15 is an incredible bourbon, but I could never justify paying $2,000 or more for a bottle when Weller Antique 107 is available for less than $200. Secondary market prices for some bottles are completely crazy, in my opinion. To be honest, I’m perfectly happy with Maker’s Mark No. 46 for $40.
You didn't break it. I think you are about right on the money. HECK, you hit the Pappy 15 from just tasting and nosing it!!! That's amazing. You may be able to compete with Matt from ADHD Whiskey as worlds best whiskey taster! In all seriousness, I think the score was right. Thanks Brewzle that was a fun ride, as I live vicariously through you, because I doubt I will ever want to spend enough to be able to get my own Pappy.
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Bro if you think brewzle is on Matt's level you are delirious bud. They're not even same ballpark
I was working at Berbiglia Liquors in Kansas City and I had a customer bring in the full line of Pappy and a William Larue Weller and let me try them, he wanted me to take them home and try them overnight but I didn't want the responsibility, so we tasted them at the store, I thought the William Larue Weller was the best, after we tasted them he gave me a new bottle of 20 year old Pappy, he was a great guy, he always brought me sample bottles of hard to get whiskey
I once had a bottle of the PVW 15yo, and quite enjoyed it, but have to note that this was before it all exploded. As it became harder to find and more of a collector bourbon, the cost began to outweigh the actual taste, notably for the 20yo. I cannot under any circumstances justify paying 2 grand for a bottle of bourbon when so much great bourbon is out there at reasoned and reasonable cost. BTW, I am truly impressed you could tell it was a Weller from the get-go!
As a native Louisvillian, I am impressed that you have nailed the native pronunciation of my hometown. I am a new subscriber and have really enjoyed your channel so far. Keep up the great work.
Crazy, I'm a 39 year old traveling welder from Conway Arkansas. My company is Located in Louisville, just built a 28 k gallons storage tank in Bardstown, the job before Was Danville, Kentucky. All places when you read off the bottle
I think the rating system is pretty good, and, if anything, you could lower the percentage of the availability. Scoring it solely on the whiskey itself (i.e. removing availability score entirely) may have some merit to it, but I don't think it's necessary. I opened up your Barrell Bourbon barrel pick, and it was fantastic! I hope you're able to keep doing barrel picks. That's a really cool thing to do!
I had the Pappy 12 in Banff a couple weeks ago. I’m a bourbon amateur however leaning more towards bourbon over other whiskeys. Might be some confirmation bias but the Pappy 12 was really the best I’ve had - it was great!
I recently got to try a Pappy flight at a speakeasy in Chicago for a reasonable price. They offered the Old RIP Van Winkle 10-year 107 proof, the Van Winkle 12-year special reserve, and the Pappy Van Winkle 15 family reserve all for $57. The 12 was probably my favorite of the 3 but I can definitely say none of them were worth the $1k-$2300 plus price tag on the bottle. For the price the tasting was worth it to find that information out.
Had a chance to try it. Honestly it’s a Wheated whiskey with oak, which if it were another whiskey, most people would despise. The pappy series as a decent value is worth it. But the hype is really a stature. If you purchased a bottle at that 2K markup. Then is a stature thing.
I literally do not drink often at ALL. But Im a subscriber. I follow Doug Demuro for the same reason. I'm not really into cars but I subscribed and continually look forward to his content. I feel the same sincerity and authenticity with you and your channel. Keep it up Brewzle!
I'm old enough to have had the pleasure of drinking 3 different bottles of Pappy 15 back when they were $65-$75 a bottle. Although Buffalo Trace is making an excellent version of Pappy, the bottle I had that was 100% Stitzel-Weller juice was absolutely the best. The same goes for Old Weller 107. Around 1978 it was $19/bottle and better than any bourbon I had ever tasted back then and right up there with the Pappy 15 I bought in '97.
I think a guess after the tasting and before finding out what it is would be fun. The guess wouldn't skew anything because it would be after the tasting.
PVW15 is around $1800 now and a damn good pour. But the 12 year Lot B is the sweet spot for Pappy at about half the price. Skip the 20 & 23 year expressions. They don’t live up to the hype nor the price. And if you like the 12 & 15, give Weller SiB a shot. At $600 for a bottle, it’s a damn fine pour.
Tried them all personally thought 23 year was King. But of the other people I did the blind with the 15 was the easily the winner. It was certainly great, my #2 in the blind. What can I say I’m a sucker for Oakiness
Almost nine years ago to the day (4/17/2014), I hunted down a pour of Pappy for my 21st birthday. I got one of the middle-aged ones at 10 years, iirc. Cost me $125 for a double in Washington DC. It's absolutely the best bourbon I've ever tried, I get the hype... but I do not get the price tag. I didn't get it then, I don't get it now. I've seen how the price has risen ever more exponentially, as well. There are other bourbons that are damn near as good that can be had for much, much less. Pappy has become a bourbon collector status symbol, which is ironic because if you hear old timers talk about it, they talk of the days when Pappy was the best $75-$150 whiskey money could buy. It used to be top shelf, but not prohibitively expensive. Guess the secret got out.
Might want to weight availability and value a little less but I’m pretty happy with the system so far. There are bound to be some upsets in the future but that’s ok. You could have two scores as well. One taking into account value and availability and one exempting those values to let the unicorns shine.
@@Brewzle I like that. It’s important to keep in mind but should not affect the actual score of the whiskey. Also I know you’re mostly a bourbon guy but if you could do some Whistle Pig, Dads Hat, or Wigle Ryes that would be great. Wigle does make bourbons as well.
The MSRPs are insanely fair for Van Winkle compared to what it goes for on secondary. I'll probably never get to try it because even bars are selling shots for 70+ for the 10 year and I don't make enough to do that even for a special occasion
System seems to be working. You shouldn't let the hype of the product affect you trust in the system. The system is allowing you to fairly judge a bottle and I think the value portion is quite fair.
I only drink on a Friday and it's Friday night. Don't have a Pappy or a Weller, the only BT wheated I have is a Kosher Wheat so we'll go with that. Cheers.
Had a pour recently. Can I justify the cost? No..I'm not rich. If I was rich would I buy this bottle on the secondary market? Yes. It really is delicious. I didn't think the oak was overpowering, but it was the finish. Up front was so much dark red fruit and I loved every second of it. It's such a rich, round, stand out whiskey.
Well, I have the resources to snag a bottle or three of this and would not. Someone gifted me a very expensive bottle of Single Malt and it sits in the dark, waiting... I like whiskey, whiskey, but there are other avenue for my 'bootle.'
Don't know why your videos popped up on my feed but it's extremely interesting. I never been or drunk whisky before but after seeing a video of the lad in the licor stor/bar that wasn't having a good day that you got him a bottle of Woodford double I have gone and ordered one to try. Watching your videos has got me wanting to try some whisky. Don't really drink spirits but looking fwd to trying the woodford and who knows might go on to try more.
I finally got a 10 year old Bottle the Papa Van Winkle last year little over $800.00. Living in Kentucky if you can get a bottle when they come out in November around here in Northern Kentucky by Cincinnati your lucky and paying top dollar for a bottle.
I've had bottles of all the Pappy's except 23 yo. They were not the best bottles I've ever drank. The 20 was over oaked. The other bottles were very good. I actually think I prefer EH Taylor. I've got a Weller Antique 107 store pick right now that I paid $64 for. It ain't Pappy 15, but it's almost just as good, it's way more affordable, and most importantly, it wasn't impossible to get.
I haven’t had the 15 but I have had the 23 and it was pretty damn good but it also costs a lot more! They are really good but I actually prefer the George T Stagg.
Was at an event where you could try all of the Pappys for 25 bucks a pop. Preferred the 15 over the older ones. The older ones were smooth, but thought they were a bit too mellow for my liking. Certainly a world class bourbon, but certainly way overvalued.
Found your channel a few days ago and like your video's . I live in OK and have two questions, 1. saw your pic on the small distillery in Vian, MS. how and where could I get a few bottles of their bourbon? 2. years ago I purchased 2 bottles of the 15 year old Pappy Van Winkle and 1 bottle of the 23 year old. I still have one bottle of the 15 year old, unopened and in the red sock. Is it really selling to $2k on the second market?
Thanks for reviewing. That bottle is my ultimate dream bottle. I have been lucky and tried it and loved it. Even more than the w l weller. Thanks for honest review. Cheers. 🥃
I was gifted a 15 yr Pappy from my daughter and have compared it to Blantons, William Larue Weller, and others in my modest assortment of Bourbons and it’s far and away my favorite, was it worth what she paid for it? NO… but it’s imho a fantastic sipper and if you have the means and it won’t force you to get a second mortgage I highly recommend buying one.
I tried it blind, if you know what it is when you drink it, the hype brings it up, its weird. Remus repeal IV ranked the top on my blind test, pappy 15 was 4th.
Pappy 15 is pretty damn amazing but taste alone I won't bother paying over 300 for it. I highly recommend trying a pour at a bar. If it's too expensive ask for a half pour/ flight.
Former buffalo trace employee here. I waa responsible for pulling the 20 year old barrels from ricks. Its so expensive due to just how little bourbon is left. All this pappy stuff is is just W.L. Weller picked from the pappy family to be branded. I found the 10 year to be decent.
@@Paul-vf2wl With aging bourbon and whiskey, the main things out of your control is the moisture and temperature within your rick houses- Buffalo trace uses steam heating to heat their warehouses on the old plant, the varying degrees of char in your oak barrels and the seasons. We were doing hydrometer tests on barrrels as well as we were pulling in fresh empty barrels. Placing your barrels higher or lower on rick floors in a 6 tier rick will also affect the rate at which the oak matures the white dog.
But less than 10 years ago it was less than 200 bucks. You can’t tell me it’s not a marketing scam. I just bought a calumet 16 for 135 dollars. And a tin cup fouteen year for 62 dollars.
@randymiller8718 Look at the world around you. Everything is inflated. With the brand the only way to drive prices down to is to globally hurt supply by not investing in it. Otherwise the monopoly will continue.
It's an MSRP of $130. It's because supply and demand permits the aftermarket price to hit primary dealer shelf price, if it stays on the shelf long enough for a discussion
And that Santa bottle is worth even more than the regular 15🥃 i was lucky enough to be gifted a Santa buddy by a buddy who didn't know what he was buying
If any changes to system it would be deducting the availability to purchase and value to 5% each. Just received my brewzel barrel pick can’t wait to open it. Cheers 🥃
Love your videos! Very engaging! Btw, just to try to help out, I'll mention that @ 7:52 it sounded like you said "the next *criterium*". Is that what you said? If so, the word is typically "criteria" (in plural form), but the singular form (if you're just referring to 1 specific criteria) is "criteria". Criterium isn't a word. Just trying to help!
Let’s not belittle how much contribution that pop culture boost had. You can say Anthony single handedly launched this bourbon into the stratosphere. In the foodie world he was a legend. It’s not unlike RU-vidrs today. A great product comes out a few RU-vidrs do a video sucking its 🐓 and you can never find it at a reasonable price again. (Don’t know about in your markets but Jim bean black 7yr has almost disappeared in mine) Now take that but on a national tv level at its peak when social media was in its infancy. What you should do is when you find something amazing tell your close friends and relatives and let it travel by mouth. The problem with broadcasting is that you hurt the people who truly enjoy the products and keep them from obtaining them in lieu of a few internet dollars and a big crowd of seals who want something “bougie” to show off. But se la ve once people make it “cool” and “hip” it always ruins it. Cheers there are some amazing things out there better than what is trending now or at the very least on par just roll the dice and try some bottles.
Hey brother.. good vid as always.. im also a bourbon nerd so im very familiar with a bunch of whiskeys and some of their stories. I just wanna say good work and cheers to the next big thing.. again!:) i believe we havent really seen the real bourbon boom yet but its getting there. cheers...
I love your videos. Food/drink critiques in general tend to take themselves too seriously - wine and spirits reviewers doubly so - but I don't get that overly serious/pretentious vibe from you at all. Good stuff
That was my feelings when I tried it. It was really really oaky. I tried pappy with a weller birthday and I honestly liked the weller much more. I don’t think I’d pay 2500$ for a bottle tbh
$2,500 for a oak dominating flavor whiskey. I can get the exact same experience from a $22.50 bottle of Jim Beam dubble barrel. Less then 100Th the price too!!
I was given a bottle of this. This is a great drink. But this should always be your first drink of the occasion before you swap to something else. Enjoy respectfully.
my dad's got the full line. I can confidently say the 20 is where it's at. the 15 and the 23 have too much bite. The 20 is perfectly balanced and smooth.
Quality is everything, if you buy a horse and feed it the best possible oats available. No other oats will do , unless you are satisfied the oats that come out of the other end of the horse.
Do you have to buy PVW at $2000? like in my lifetime will I ever be able to have a bottle without spending that much? how else would I get it and what price should i be looking for? (Im a Noob)
Man i bought a 500 dollar bottle of blue label and i swear the tast was similar to jack daniels and the seal and box were not broken or open. I only think its worth it if you can sample before buying.
