Is This a Poker ANGLE??? 

Yes. If u you can't call there for the rest in that situation, you are so farking weak you just gotta go do something else.omg

Funny thing is he was shook and was so afraid of a bigger flush that he needed to angle! I wouldn’t be surprised if he did fold if unable to see a card

Josh fucked up so bad. He bluffed … why engage in any conversation? Bro. Bro! And definitely do not play around and flip the opponent’s card. Ridiculous. No excuse.

Bro I believe he was folding before he sees the card, he was desperate to see josh' card -- defo scared money josh shouldve just shut his mouth

what are you talking about? it was Josh who was wrong

J dogg clearly took advantage of josh who definitely shouldnt discuss any agreements that might lead him to show a card when he s all in and bluffing. He seems to be maybe newer to the game and wanted to engange i some speech play that might make him look more confident/ strong in order to get a fold. For sure JDogg allowed him to flip over that card ( and made sure josh did it); thats a super dirty move to do that to a guy who is already all in and then argue to force him to show a card or forfeit the hand.

His little performance is the most tilting thing I’ve seen so far this year

If Josh doesn’t get anything from flipping one of his cards, then why would he flip his opponents cards?

@@SCPokervlogs YES!!! This!!! The level of outrage he displays is teenage-drama-queen-esque

@@pepperidgedave Ding ding ding - someone who gets it. 👍

I think Bart is spot on in the 2nd instance, the first instance I believe he is mostly correct; however Ben being upset at the fact he felt cheated is understandable, and Bart didn't agree with that emotion. Regardless if Ben won the hand, he still is forced to "trust" pokerbunny was not trying to angle him, and he clearly believes she was, which is reasonable for him to be upset at the situation. For someone with Ben's bankroll, the winning of the hand isn't of the only importance, the principle is important here as well.

I agree, both analysed rather favorably

Cmon Andrew, a guy flips over your card and you’re not going to try and see one of his? Gtfo.

@@26bisket Did you listen to Bart at all? Hell no JDogg doesn’t get to also flip his opponents card. JDogg made a bad situation much worse by demanding to see a card.

@Epictetus 35 Clearly? She appeared to be shaking after declaring all in. I think it was an honest mistake in the moment and the live stream pressure may have gotten to her.

I don't even see how they can or should enforce a side deal which is what that mess was since it sure wasn't poker!

The floor never gave permission, he did it himself. That's what players at the table said after.

Clearly an angle? How about... clear, actual cheating and deliberate deception? He lied to the floor and it's on camera. Shame on him

Yea, josh apologized too. Which I didn’t get. I dogg is a d bag.

Jdogg baited josh into making a tactical error by allowing the floor to make an egregious ruling. Shouldn't have fell for the trick. Bart is on point... As always What a great show and analysis. Josh made a bad play Jdogg is a liar and a sleazeball Commentators are boneheads

This happens all the time. People need to but tf up

Floorman is a coward and got strong-armed by fellow coward.

what a scumbag move from JDogg

I don't think J-Dogg set the whole situation up as an angle. I think he honestly felt that Josh was offering him a situation where they would each show one card. I think the angle-y part of it was his over-the-top anger and reaction when Josh was like "wait no, why would I let you see one of my cards"

@@yikemoo It's not a fair trade though. Josh gains nothing by seeing J-Doggs card. He has no decision points left in the hand. At this point, his only play is table talk which is what all of this amounts to. J-Dogg has the same opportunity to use the table talk to his advantage without trying to leverage an unfair edge by seeing one of Josh's cards when he still has a decision to make.

Yeah let’s just ignore josh lying being the one who flipped over a card

@@intrepidus3378 Yes, agree with you 100%. That's exactly why everyone here is losing it over J-Dogg's reaction because its so clearly out of bounds.

100%

Absolutely. What a pansie tank on a rivered flush.

This shit Is insane. What a piece of shit move. Complete idiots running the floor.

She angled. Bart is being an idiot.

JDogg is total sketch here. It was a total angle and the floor was weak in the decision. JDogg did agree to let Josh turn over his card. "Muck his hand" is a the most unreasonable thing that could have been done.

Yi Long Mah*

It's because the commentator is racist. There are many racist people who would support their own kind, even though they know they're supporting the oppressor.

Agree that was so unethical and an all out scam.

I was there sitting at the table during the live stream. The floor gave no permission to J-Dog to flip Josh's card over. J-Dog took it upon himself to grab his card and flip it over on his own accord

@@daviddreyfus2425 WOW! Holy fuck that's bad

@@daviddreyfus2425 - That’s what it sounded like on the audio also - how clueless is this floor person - That should’ve killed J Dogg’s hand immediately for flipping a card in a LIVE hand without permission

One of the scummiest plays I’ve ever seen. And one of the worst rulings. Times must be tough to do some shit like this over 1.5k

But Josh really didn't make it clear to the floor what the agreement was. Hence the ruling.

@@noex100 That agreement is irrelevant. Horrible ruling.

surprising such a bad poker room still exist

I was playing at Bay 101 in San Jose about 15 years ago when I was on the wrong side of what I consider one of the most egregiously bad floor decisions I've seen in poker and have not gone back to play there since.

But the floor said he couldn’t flip JOSHS card, then j dogg persists in his american cocky entitled tone and the floor bends to his arrogance and he flips it without shame. I wanted to punch j dogg in the face repeatedly on behalf of josh

Yes he kinda did. But never touch a card of an opponent even if he agrees. Your word is nothing when it comes to the rules at the end.

Same here ... watched the TCH clip last night and read Josh's apology in comments.... j dog's a NIT/🤡

Jdogg? More like J douche

I saw the same clip. They left out the talk beforehand. It was a serious angle on JDogg's (what a name) part. Josh never agreed to turn a card but JDogg allowed Josh to turn one before any agreement. Straight angle. Having said that, never touch someone's cards whether they give you permission or not. Many casinos will kill your hand permission or not. Especially not in a situation where you get nothing out of it.

dog is obviously a clown not fit to play those things, again J-Dawg you're a clown

Lmao racism? I get why he's pissed he definitely thought he would be seeing a card if his was turned over, the other dude recanted.

@@fiddynutz68 I said I’m not sure what factors exactly were the cause of the ruling ending up the way it was. When one persons native language isn’t English they are at a disadvantage when it comes to explaining themselves or anything. It happened here as well and because he was mild mannered and unable to properly articulate himself and is in a foreign country it likely was a determining factor as to why the floor sided with the loud mouth, far less mild mannered English speaking American who wasn’t going to accept anything other than his way and if you don’t think that constitutes a form of racism; I think you should reevaluate your outlook. The man who was essentially cheated here made a couple tweets after this happened to provide context for my opinions.

He’ll likely have a hard time winning going forward. I play with a player like that in my home casino. Buys in short and all the players trying to run him off as quick as possible. Just insufferable to play with and he gets mad, because he’s always getting stacked by rags. If I’m JDogg I would really be paying attention to what people are calling me with.

He refunded Josh for the pot, allegedly. Good.

Yeah J-Dog is shady!

I agree, 'dirty dog' ! 🐕💩💩💩

Exactly. You can see from listening to Josh talk and from his comment that he is not perfectly fluent in English. How is it ok to negotiate a very advantageous deal for yourself with a non-native speaker and then whine to the floor when they stand up for themselves and don't abide by your ridiculous terms? What a scumbag. Also a shit poker player if he's going to even consider folding the backdoored flush there.

Couldn't disagree more. To say nothing changes when he flips his card is 100% wrong. When he sees the heart, he KNOWS JDogg has flush, and thus he changes his "acting". It's extra info to assist one Player... Josh. Also, it's ludicrous to claim language barrier on one hand, THEN argue you are the one who understood the discussion. Going further, I can't believe people saying JDogg obviously agreed. Where when and how? JDogg immediately said if you see mine I see yours.. JDogg FTW. You can't pick and choose rules mid hand. You can only rule on facts and evidence. The evidence (as I see it) is Josh flipped over opponents hand and adjusted his "hollywood" to suit to try to steal the win..

Also, let's not lose touch with the fact that Mr Struggles With English is the one who started the whole conversation. He did so safe in the knowledge his overbet looks super strong and yet JDogg was thinking. He now knows immediately (if he didn't already) that 9 high is no good, but more importantly he now knows that Josh doesn't have a small pair or A high ie he doesn't have a polarised light hero call, he actually has a hand. So Bart is arguing that the guy who makes a massive bluff can then commence speech play in his second language once he realises his opponent isn't snap folding, and THEN he can flip his card over and claim his opponent gave him permission without needing to reciprocate... REALLY????? 2 Clear angle shooters and Bart argues FOR both of them.... Hmmmm I think Bart wants to ensure these big game donks stay in the mix for him to collect from them. If I was a lawyer I'd argue conflict of interest here 😂

The rare "Hollywood angle"

Exactly, which is why I didn’t understand why Bart gave Ben shit. He had all the right to be frustrated

@@dl5066 Boob power,some men cant overcome it

I don't believe she did anything wrong. It's classic I'm strong going to act weak behavior. Should have been an obvious fold.

@@counterweightshenanigans2808 Pls google angle shooting. Not against the rule but a terribly low move.

I watched the same one and felt like I was taking crazy pills because they were attacking Josh rather than Mr. Scarf Indoors "J DOGG" who was clearly angling.

Commentator was right. They agreed to show each other one card. You cannot commit to an agreement at a cash game and go back on your word after you have taken advantage of the agreement. Josh is the one who needs to be banned.

@@vcraine I’d have to agree with you. The angle isn’t making Josh less committed obviously, because he’s all in. The angle is Josh creating un uneven playing field in the decision making of his opponent, skewing the evaluation by creating a distraction/disagreement. Players wouldn’t generally give up a free look at one card in Jdogs position without reciprocation, and while it’s unfortunate if there’s a language barrier, the agreement that was proposed at the table implied that each would be entitled to earning the same information from one another. If he reneges and conceals both of his cards after the agreement, it just muddies the waters and raises doubts by the acting player. Giving the all-in better an advantage beyond standard gameplay. I saw another situation recently that seemed like angling with Perssons the other day. Love him or hate him, he does bring energy to the table and he is quite effective at manipulating play with his table talk. However, his last move that night found him behind on the River, and action was on his opponent who was reaching in with 75k…Perssons throws his chip in before the acting better. He then pulls it out and I believe apologized and tells the better he can still put it in. Essentially, un-committing his call, but asserting he totally would call. Therefore the actual better in position is left having to decipher if it’s simply bad etiquette or an angle. The better was baffled and just checked…so Perssons lost the hand and pot but saved himself 75k and in turn costing his opponent the benefit of it. It seemed very coordinated on his part and if players repeat these actions they shouldn’t be dismissed as honest mistakes, they should be banned from legitimate play. We learn by our mistakes, repeating them is indicative of something else entirely.

@@vcraine Also, if Josh was sitting on a higher flush, going all in could and making the arrangement could induce Jdog to question his strength. Especially when he then refuses to show one of his cards. Had the floor failed to act as they did, there’s a legitimate question of his hand strength which could result in a fold by Jdog…however unlikely.

@@CuriosityQueue Persons is a POS and should not be allowed on any stream. If he is not angle shooting, he is being a bully. If I am running a card room, I boot anyone who pulls his kinds of nonsense more than once. I don't even think he is good for the stream.

The main lesson everyone would be taking back from this is the body language or tells from josh. This information is the same when ever my kids mess up and they don’t want to be called out. Clearly josh is not confident in what is going on. Garret from live at the bike will do this with time bank chips to learn your behavior and then steal your soul later on in the game.

@@jameswill9527 Agreed. Doesn't really matter though, 99.9% of people are calling here.

wrong, a player cannot turn over your cards and it is not your own responsibility to stop someone doing so. It sounds like you're saying anyone at any time can turn over your cards and you must protect them, no

@@genapp3603 Hell sounds like the Wild West there. Son you and me are now going to peel the leather if you touch them there cards. Lol!

That could be the stupidest made-up/mis-interpreted rule ever, in cards. Imagine going before a judge, after you just shot or hit a person for touching your cards, and saying; well, the casino says that I have to protect my cards. Oh, the laughter of that alone would be priceless.

The penalty for flipping over a card when you can still act on it should be much higher.

Absolutely J Dogg cheated. I would mind taking a 30 minute break if I can bank over 2K for getting an advantages, even though I didn't make decision yet. The guys is already ALL IN. His action is done. Josh is just innocent and naive to realize J Dogg putting an ANGLE job on him. It's an expensive lesson. In the future, don't play on a table is J dogg seat and expose him for who his is, freaking scumbag.

Coming off like a drama queen. Is the male version of a Karen a Kevin?

Well, he wasn't going to fold. However why wouldn't you agree to flip a card over? Especially if it gives you an advantage. I would have taken him up on that as well.

@Bryan Smith Because Josh was denying that he flipped it over outside of some type of agreement. You can tell Josh has trouble expressing verbally what was going on (whether it's a language barrier or frustration overcoming ability to talk right). It's JDogg also lied to the floorman about the deal and how it was to be conducted in their agreement. THere's a reason why players at the table were split.

Always play with someone who has scarf. They are very fishy.

@@silentbovo1 the half that support J dogg did not even Josh already ALL IN and probably didn't realize J Dogg was putting up an angle job on Josh.

@@silentbovo1 the bottom line is that Josh should NEVER touch his cards. When that happens, nothing after it matters. His hand should be dead right at that moment

Very true. The ruling by floor is completely wrong.

She had literally just colored up all her chips to 1k chips. She's either dumb as a bag of rocks, or angling. There's no in between.

@Duncan Donut Donut The entire song and dance after she said all in including saying "this isn't an angle" seems a lot like an angle imo

She did worse on LATB the night before. She had been going on about being up for days and being autistic (lol). Flopped the nut straight in a bomb pot, raised big, and goes "oh wait. I didn't mean .. Omg, I'm so bad at reads". No one called so it wasn't a big deal

She had also chipped up to all green chips not long before this clip. 100% an angle. She’s really strange.

Also when she turned her cards over after dude called, her body language screams "lmao gotcha!"

Its not necessarily a tell. If Josh has nuts he woudnt want to show either to make it look like a bluff so I wouldn't read too much into it. However j dogg not snapping off backdooring the 5th nuts is super nitty. Dude is a karen with his cry rant

jdogg was playing with scared money, thats why.

moment Josh turn over Jdog hand that action is in agreement turn one card for one card, when Josh said no after fact it looks sleezy/angle which made Jdog upset. Lesson here is dont talk or touch others cards even if invited to do so, leads to this kind of drama, both at fault

"Wow sick angle by jdogg, the acting was pro level."-- If it was "pro level", you wouldnt have realized it was acting.

Yeah JDogg even says "He touched my cards!" after exposing his cards and offering them to his opponent. Come on..

I would have smashed jdogg and be happy to be banned from that place! If I ever see him live then I'll take a banning for team Josh.

@@fomori2 lmao that's really terrible logic dude. You see Denzel in a movie and think it's real life? Or is it pro level acting? Lmao. You're a bufoon dude

Those announcers are God awful. Only reason I don't watch the streams.

Thousands is putting it mildly -- Probably upwards of 50-100 thousand.

I thought the same. Slowroll imo. Nit that could be seen from space.

Fist pump snap call

scared money

Very scared

AhTh?

@@oma15 a back door flush is so strong you just have to pay him if he has it

Ahh, the true mark of intelligence is being able to gather information, and make a decision, even if it doesnt correlate with your original sentiment.

Absolutely the same for me. After I saw it the first time last week I was also on Jdogg's side simply cause for me they made the agreement, even if Josh only said "i might consider". After Barts point i kind of get that it was an angle by JDogg.

You're referring to the moon landing aren't you?

@@dalekerr5091 Haha

I didn’t even have to hear them speak. The guy is ALL IN. He can’t gain any info. Can’t turn up his card because the other guy asks lol

Did you not watch the video? The opposite

Oh I see the edit, nvm

That is a ridiculous interpretation of what just happened. So you are saying that players can literally go and turn over another players cards mid hand if they are willing to take the penalty afterwards. "the risk of penalty was worth it in that moment" Absolutely retarded statement. Having to miss a round of a cash game is not a penalty, its basically a bathroom break.

I personally play with her a couple of times before, she is a pretty nice person but an amateur poker player, definitely not a pro. And this hand she went all in first before she said this is not a angle. Is it angling someone is you do something before action your move, not after the action? This is more like acting instead of angle someone to me.

Exactly Dan, it’s the same as giving off false tells except in a really stupid way. She isn’t trying to gain knowledge from the other player. Maybe intended, clumsy, not good for the game, but not a angle.

She is a wee bit dumb and still new to poker. I’ve played with her.

She is a professional poker player……

@@jakethefish3558 in 2022 she has been paying other people to play poker. She certainly isn’t getting paid.

Maybe she's not used to the camera but she's not angling she's just inexperience to the whole situation

@@tsze06 White knight simping fools... She is NOT use to camera? Shes been on many live streams and shes definitely used to attention... LOL

@@davidw8249 yea she been in many camera but she still pretty bad on camera have you see her video. Most of the time she show her body like what she do on stream like seriously who still show her belly to people nowadays. When you are playing 10k pot you dress like you are still in high school. She have like 2 outfits from her other live poker stream and this one. She's not playing with her own money that's for sure.

She had also chipped up all her chips to green not long prior. She 100% knew how much she had.

@@tsze06 I’ve seen her before. She runs a poker vlog and she hustles for views trying to sit next to bigger poker celebrities. I don’t trust her one bit. I think she was hustling, even if 50% of it was subconscious. She did not play that hand in good faith. She’s been around, she’s played fairly high stakes before. She knows the rules.

If you've watched her play before, you'd see she's just not that bright.. and I don't think it's an angle.

@@dougcronkhite2113 she shouldn't be at the table if that is what you honestly think. I called it before it all happened she should not be at the table.

@@dougcronkhite2113 Clearly an angle. I don't know what you're talking about. She has an extremely strong hand, and then says all in and plays the "oh nooo, don't call me I made a mistake" card. Fucking ridiculous.

angle or not, the dude is calling her shove knowing her stack. how can you angle if u r already ai??? with 1 other player in hand you can say whatever u want!

*** More fake

Small correction: Josh is playing with rent money that he normally uses on meth.

Pffft, as if his behaviour is fitting of a feline. Cats are well above this monkey business.

Ben was an UBER DOUCHE after this hand…did you see when he snapped on Ron after Ron tried to showed him a hand after he folded? Acted like a total asshole as night went on

@@brianf7405 I understand not wanting a dude to stick his cards in your face all the time like you're supposed to GAF... but, holy overreaction Batman!

Agreed this is definitely racism at play here.

Honestly felt like a combination of racism and sidling up with his buddy

Commentator should be removed from his position... he sucks

Not sure its wise to say its racist, but hes definitely wrong

@@anthonyf596 Perhaps you're right, but I just can't imagine he would say the same about Jdog if it was the other way round. Also William's tone with his comments were very spiteful, almost personal towards Josh. He should know that the action was already on JDOG and that Josh would gain nothing regardless of information coming alight.

I agree. What she did was not angling, but it was lame. Lying and deceiving your opponent is part of poker, but there's a right way to do it and a wrong way to do it. And she did it the wrong way. It wasn't an angle, because she was already all in. But it wasn't right.

agree, I'm very happy she got stacked.

@@dalekerr5091 i would definitely love to stack her as well, on a different kind of table...

Scumbags usually don't care. Unless they suffer consequences. Which is up to the rest of us.

@@The20thHijacker Which is why scumbags will continue to scumbag

Probably had a piece of the other guy

Needs to be removed from the booth!!

Classic overreaction. It happens every day in society. People take what little information they see and make presumptions without seeing or hearing all the facts.

@@JasonEmerson711 I agree . I hate that people do that. I try to hold back on things until I have some details. Especially at work. If I have some employees with a disagreement or an accusation I never jump to conclusions until I have all the information..

I am not sure if she is just dumb or if she is acting

@@fsufan same but googoogaga milk

@@massivekillerorb they are nice but she’s trying to distract you on purpose.

Commentator at hustler casino was big on her side too. Even before it all happened I called that she shouldn't even be at the table.

Lol she definitely is an airhead and didn’t mean to angle

100% accurate. The responses in the comment section are just ignorance to ethics. It doesn’t matter who gains more Josh made the choice to be an idiot so that’s on him.

Big thanks for the first hand input.

It IS true that in most casinos touching another player's cards deliberately would kill your own hand, so the the guy isn't lying nor is the rule made up. However, as with many poker rules, they are flexible to the circumstances and one clear, logical circumstance in which it becomes flexible is heads-up and with an agreement in place, as was the case here. As for this exact situation, it's just a shame Josh didn't emphasize the exact words he used when making the agreement; this would have helped the floor make a grounded decision.

@@noex100 With all due respect, Simon said that it is a rule AND it doesn't matter what the circumstances are or something to that effect. Show me a single Casino that has such a foolish rule without floor discression and I will be shocked. Further more Simon saw the video so knows Jdog let him do it. In Simon's own Casino there is a clear rule to protect your own cards and there is no stated rule that Josh's hand would automatically be dead without any floor discresion as Simon claimed. He did lie, but finding someone willing to lie to prove a bad point is like shooting fish in a barrel on the internet.

@@Declan4253 Floor always has discretion in such situations because, as you probably know, there is another rule (in Robert's rules and elsewhere) permitting the floor to make a ruling not perfectly conforming to the written rules but in the "best interest of the game" and spirit of fairness. All I'm saying is he is probably correct about the default rule. The default rules don't mention floor discretion because it would be redundant and is already covered by the catch-all rule mentioned above.

@@noex100 Thank you for the input. To me a 'rule' that doesn't need to be inforced by the floor based on their descretion isn't really a rule (at least not in the way the world at large views rules), but I see your point. Again, Simon was saying it was a rule and the circumstances don't matter - which I think you would agree is incorrect.

Ignore that neanderthal, he's completely wasted your time.

How does this guy not snap call with a flush?

@Epictetus 35 you can do whatever you want once you’ve committed. It was up to the other player. She was a bit stupid to overact like that but it’s within the rules for most live games, they allow table talk. You can say “gee I hope you don’t call me what a dumb play I made moving all-in.” But like 95% of the time when people act weak, especially if it’s some stupid overacting, they are strong. This guy was just tilted.

@@afwaller ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-F-tI041TLI8.html No you cant

Isn't it dirty to try and take advantage of someone who went all in by accident? Its poker you can't let words like that change your decisions

@Epictetus 35 THC level 💯

@Epictetus 35 what I was trying to say is that an angle is about bending rules, and in this case she already said all in, so there was no rule in question, like a string bet or saying you didn't check.

Poker Bunny's situation was similar. She was all in. There were no more decisions for her. I would consider what she was doing to be a false tell (or hollywooding) rather than angle shooting.

Bunny has also soon prior chipped up all her white chips to green. She 100% knew how many chips she had I just can’t see how she didn’t. I think part of her thing is to annoy him all night then angle him. She’s dodgy af imho.

A little awareness about Neurodivergence and Autism is called for here. I am neurodivergent too, I have ADHD, and sensory overload is quite common for me, even when I'm playing a game I have normally crushed before

Wait, she has her own poker channel with hand analysis lol

So many backing josh but he caused the situation by doing something I've never seen attempted at a poker table. Why the fuck would you ever touch someone else's cards

I mean in a way it is, because he initiated this entire kerfuffle. But jdogg continued the kerfuffle by allowing josh to flip his card. Imo they are both equally scummy, but the floor should not have gotten involved at all, hand plays as is.

I mean if you read Josh’s comment he says that he misspoke because he doesn’t know English well

@@Phil1053Locket I didn't read it. I'll go back and check it. That makes sense.

@@intrepidus3378 he meant “I didn’t flip over his card…without permission [sic]”

So what poker players are the biggest babies around. Just play and pay attention.

If Ben gets tilted because someone is 3 betting him all the time, maybe he should take up bowling instead. Part of playing poker is getting a base read on someone. Sounds like she is an easy read if this happens often...nothing to tilt about.

The likes and the literally's are so annoying.

@@Frostified God forbid Garrett and Bunny on the same stream! The amount of LIKES those two will say may change Einstein’s theories!

If you don't like what she did, then you shouldn't allow any table talk regarding hands. Pros won't be doing this often, but table talk is part of the game for a reason. She suckered him into calling with a weaker hand. But pokey psychology is wild. Did she all in with air and said that to try and bluff him off the pot? Does she have it and is trying to sucker him into a bad call? It's table talk.

I don't know if that was acting. IMO, she's not that smart. You always see her screwing up with handling the chips and her thoughts are like a pinball in a pinball machine. She's klutzy mentally and physically. I think she had a genuine brainfart. I do like how she set him up on major tilt though with the endless 3 raising leading to this hand. What a bad beat.

Clearly an angle... She's making it look like a weak or a halfheartedly all in... Begging for a call for damn sure

So is it against the rules tho?

I”m agree

100% valid in poker. after all its a game of deceiving or trying to deceived your opponents. touching others people cards is unethical. any talking shouldn't be. it's mind and trick games and weak minds that can't handle it should't be playing poker.

I agree with this 100% this guy claims he won but that’s not the point! It was a clear angle and unethical

It's always possible but let's be real...There are zero hands that she check/raises for value that KT is ahead of. So instead of getting mad, the guy should have just not played shitty poker. Hell, he should be thanking her for check/jamming 2x pot and giving him such an easy fold.

Connman 8d well the sizing given her actual stack is definitely not a thing and too much but given there was some back and forth between them as bart suggested she tried to go for the whole thing against what s very likely a T by doing the whole “ oh wait i thought…. I had less” thing. and then she goes and uses the word “angle” herself which should further lead ben too fold. She did get what she wanted and got unlucky.

If you consider she’s not very sharp, it’s not hard to believe no angle happened.

Since when is trying to downplay the strength of your hand in order to get your opponent to call wider (when betting for value) considered poor form in poker? In fact, isn’t it the entire idea of the game? Or is slow playing now considered ‘an angle’?

john smith she’s downplaying the strength of her hand through unnatural and unnecessary action which is to to act like she didnt know how much she had in her stack when she went all in (obviously she does know). that s called angling and doing something like that is called shooting an angle much like for example calling an open out of turn when you see somebody in between reach for 3 betting chips in order to downplay the strength of ur hand preflop (something that happened to me).

why would Josh ever agree to that though? ask yourself that lmao

My read is that she thought she had 20k, said all in, realized that she had more and put her foot in her mouth. She's aware how it came off and feels bad about it.

@@natepepin09 100%. She was obviously flustered in the moment. So she's either a world class actress giving an Oscar worthy performance to convince a guy on monkey tilt to call off light or she just made an honest mistake. Which of those seems more plausible?

Or she could just genuinely have thought they were a bit less deep. That guy has no right to whine about that, he's the fool calling off with such a weak hand there.

@@connman8d617 she certainly has plausible deniability. Idk about world class acting 🤔

Red pill

Thank you Ninja. I’m Josh’s wife (for real). Josh did see Bart’s video - and I sincerely thank you for your kind comment and understanding. I was so desperate that I thought I would be the only one who understands, supports, and trusts my husband right after the incident happened (I was in TCH, played on the other table). I thank you for your kind words.

@Scott Thank you!!!

@@jessicawu1545 No problem! I saw Josh's apology in the TCH comment section and I felt bad for him because of all the undeserved hateful comments towards him. It sucks that TCH probably will leave their video up too for greedy reasons but I'm glad Bart is explaining the truth. Honestly I just hope Josh is able to play elsewhere, I wouldnt want him playing at that place even if they said it was okay.

@@ninjawood4058 Thank you. We decided that we would ban ourselves from TCH in the foreseen future.

Yea at least everyone knows to bluff him.

The hand to forehead, lol, somebody needs lessons on not over acting.

Agreed. What a drama queen!