Is This Father Faking his Daughter's Illness? | Chicago Med | MD TV 

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Exactly. I saw this comment as soon as he said that.

My immediate response was "shes going to if you don't get tf out of my way" hence why I could never go into nursing.

yeah

Eyeyeyye has the rest 😌😴🙌😪🙏uuuuu

Ok Karen

Wth

@@m.m.4066 It’s just a joke chill.

@@AconicPL It’s a joke.

I do feel bad for him too, he never had any bad intentions he was just grieving his dead wife. On the other hand though, his daughter did still need him, and I think the difficult reality is that despite the understandable cause, he didn’t take responsibility for her care, including her need to have her father emotionally there for her in some way. And if he couldn’t do that, he needed to at least take the amount of responsibility of acknowledging that he couldn’t take care of her properly for the time being and make sure she was provided for in some other way. His grief was completely justified, but there was no need to have it result in the neglect of his daughter

I’m sure stuff like this really happens in real life, unfortunately. For some peace of mind though, the dad in the video is actually my acting teacher so at least THIS case wasn’t real

Poor guy??? That disgusting abusive heartless ruthless worthless monsters is anything but Poor. He is completely doesn't worth it

Oh, Come on! I think the father did it!!!

It’s so sad

If you're an ER nurse, I urge you to watch again because it's really important to understand that she's not faking.

@@k.c.8662 she is faking.

@@k.c.8662 did you even watch the episode?? Which is fake in itself...because it's a TV show...but the daughter is faking...

@@amorrissey9264 It's stated multiple times that she has a conversion disorder. That's not the same as faking.

@@k.c.8662 faking it doesn't necessarily mean that the daughter has malicious is intent and just means that the symptoms of the daughter has are not real and she's making them up

The same goes for my parents

True. My parents might not have intended to hurt me but they're denying my needs and disturbing my progress

If someone won’t listen to others, then they might as well have their ears cut off.

*even were against therapy

People just need to humble down and accept when they are WRONG. Not just for their sake but for the sake of who they are hurting! Very sorry about what your friend went through and i am happy to hear they are getting help. I pray the parents or anybody else aren't ignorant like this in the future

This is of course a dramatic case, but when you actually do have a rare chronic illness, you become an expert in your disease. You know how it works & what you can & can't do. Medical school prepares you for an infinite variety of diseases, but it doesn't make you a specialist. So it's not always pride if someone is very knowlegeable about their disease, it's part of their survival strategy.

Make it 10+ years

@@Annielee825 True. Hence the reason specialists exist in the medical field. If you believe GA doctors aren't helping you much, request to see a specialist.

@@silvermist4895 Seen dozens of "specialists". But for ME/CFS and other neuroimmunological diseases, there is no such thing.

@@Annielee825 maybe u should see a therapist instead

They often times DO know more than the doctor. At least about *their* specific issues and possible causes. Doctors try and talk shit about people "googling" or just researching the symptoms themselves, but I can't even keep track of the number of times myself, as well as close family members and friends, have gotten a wrong diagnosis or just totally blown off by a doctor. And we research it ourselves and find the correct diagnosis. My sister got Guillain barre syndrome from a flu shot(common in quite a few vaccines), had all of the obvious symptoms...but it wasn't until weeks later, when she was pretty much fully paralyzed and ended up intubated, that I researched myself and suggested the flu shot may have caused it. They FINALLY did a spinal tap(which should have been one of their first tests) and she was properly diagnosed. She almost died because her doctors were idiots.

@@jesse5658 I’m not here to bash you but I believe what happened to you is very rare. I have a degree in public health and a lot of the time doctors have to cover all the bases they have to treat the symptoms before they know the full diagnosis. My sister has a very rare autoimmune disease called takayasu arteritis and for a long time we thought I was severe anemia or a heart murmur and a million other things because if you’re not looking for something like what she has you won’t find it. Maybe in your sister’s case with GBS being so rare it wasn’t the first second or third thing they were looking for. I know exactly how you feel my sister suffered for years with her disease before being diagnosed and now she’s doing great but would you have be able to detect your sister’s GBS any faster? Being a doctor isn’t easy and I don’t think you’re giving them enough credit. I do hope your sister is doing much better and she’s getting the care and treatment she deserves

Doctors suck lol! Most of them care about what goes in there pocket, they don’t care about us. You’re watching a tv show. This isn’t what it’s like in real life. Not even at all. I’m chronically ILL and I’ve done more research then most doctors probably. You don’t even want to know how doctors truly act and are like. There’s maybe 10% of good ones out of 100%…..

@@KrystalReanna11 No, I have to agree with the other person. I’ve seen way too many doctors misdiagnose or gaslight people. One doctor said I was having a panic attack, nope it was anaphylaxis and I almost died. That’s just gross negligence, it happens often and way too often to people of color in America.

@@KrystalReanna11 Not to nitpick, but I think you're both right, you're just talking about different issues. Yes rare conditions or rare presentations of conditions can be hard to diagnose. But patients often do know more about their conditions that doctors that aren't experts in those conditions. This tends to ESPECIALLY be true of ER docs. And as complicated as this case in the episode is, there are points where the father is right, however irrational he was in it's entirety. Like when he told the doctor he wasn't sure it'd be safe and started listing her medication.

Sure let’s blame the child in this situation

@@Chels-fz5uq okay but it was the child's fault in this episode 🤷‍♀️

This episode was based on a case that happened in Boston. A girl had a similar chronic illness. They didn't have any specialists at that particular hospital for that condition, so her parents tried to have her transferred to another Boston area hospital. The doctors made a disgusting assumption that her parents were making her sick and went to the court to get custody. She was in that hospital for 15 months as they weaned her off her medication, and she got sicker and sicker. Finally the parents got custody back as they got her diagnosing doctors to testify.

@@MissSpaz thank you! That’s really interesting

The people that liked this bih Chels comment is weird asf too 😂🤦🏼‍♀️

One word: Pride

@@DragonGoddess18 Agreed. But also arrogance.

Ignorance

he went through alot of docters

@@sunnyday4055 Did he?

😂right get him out of there!! Did u see him in the room literally distracting them?! 🤬this one here lol

Same thought here

Same thought too!

Turns out the daughter was faking or exaggerating the her symptoms. Because she noticed when she had gotten sick, her Dad would stop being depressed, as he would then focus on getting he rbetter. Give him some purpose and a distraction from his grief. She was trying to help him cope

@@triplemoyagames4195 oh, that makes sense! Everyone will cope with the loss of a loved one in a unique way and hers was staying closing to her father by depending on him. It’s sad for both of them honestly.

Mezzo of munchausens and munchausens by proxy???

What do is it

Me too, unfortunately that's not how Chicago med episodes go, they always leave on a cliff hanger and its so frustrating .

So was the daughter making up her illness by distracting her father from his own grief and it took on a form of its own mental illness?

​@emvyyyy what do is it indeed. I might even say why did are it. I believe it is quite profound.

mild version is basically just 'people go around sniffling and coughing' and you mimic the symptoms cuz you think you have been infected with the flu or a cold.

Thank you so much for all you do!

I would like to personally thank you for what you do. I have been hospitalized several times for lung issues: asthma, pneumonia, covid, pulmonary fibrosis - and the respiratory therapists were so kind, knowledgeable and helpful to me. I even learned from a respiratory therapist that I’d been using my inhaler and spirometer incorrectly for years. It’s terrifying to be unable able to get enough air, and a calming, confident professional can make all the difference. 🙏 ❤

What? I couldn’t hear what you said. Actually.. where are you? Can’t see you at all…

she didn’t trick him, conversion disorder is out of the persons control. it literally makes you sick.

She’s not tricking him - her brain is tricking her

Male brain can't comprehend simple explanation

Right lol I would’ve still poke her ass with it and say no no that’s not normal poke

Right not the needle in the neck 😂😂

Not exactly. Some people are paranoid about eating out and having other people prepare their food for them. Some do it for health reasons, and some just don't feel comfortable eating out. They'd rather prepare their own meals because they know what's going in them. Have you ever seen those news footages of people receiving food at a restaurant and having something inside them that wasn't supposed to be there? Like dead bugs and mice heads? Him saying he prepares his daughters food can't be taken as a sign of abuse. Overprotective sure but not abuse; at least not intentionally.

@@TimberlakeTigerGirl my biggest problem with the quote is that he assumes he can't do wrong. Just because he cooked it doesn't mean she can't be sick from it. We are humans, we make mistakes or maybe the ingredients had something he didn't know or whatever, anything can happen but he can't see that. Also yknow, she can just buy and eat a candy the second he wasn't looking, let her talk (later, when she can, she wasn't able in that scene)

Medical malpractice does happen, unfortunately.

she's manipulating him because she thinks it's the only way she'll get attention from him that's not on him that's on the daughter

daughter Smh

To be fair my doctors gave up on me, I finally googled my symptoms and showed it to them and they were like “oh… well okay, I can see why you would think you have that based on your symptoms but tell you what, there’s a test! Let’s just do that and we will see” I think in an effort to prove me wrong. Well, I was right. Google can help if you don’t go crazy with it. But if there was a simple test to give a yes or no answer for whatever he thought his daughter had im confused as to why the dad didn’t say “Google says we need to get this test done”

Decades ago I was a hospital volunteer, just a teenager. I was taking magazines to the ER waiting room when I heard this really upset woman yelling at the doctor. Her son had fallen and cut his head. No fracture or concussion but you know how head wounds bleed. Doctor just wanted to clean the cut and put some heavy duty butterfly bandages on. Mom wanted major stiches, yelling it was serious, and doc keep trying to tell her he didn't need a big scar and a bald spot. Not life and death but shows how parents can be.

I know

The sad thing is there are people like this in real life

That's what my dad was like..

Uh… how?

​@@voiceacticon667 the amount of confidence from his stupidity and ignorance.

In real life it happens, but they usually brush it under the rug.

because viewers would instantly hate the doctor since tons of viewers are karens themselves

Except the doctors didn’t tell him she had it. He decided she had it himself. She was never actually tested. Then when they bring up the possibility of doing a test he tries to break her out of it.

It's a series on Hulu called The Act and it's based on true events!

It’s called Munchausen’s Syndrome by Proxy

Oh yeah the Gipsy rose Blanchard thing?

The movie everything everything the mom keeps her in the house and tells her that she’s sick but in reality she wasn’t.

There’s so many movies with this theme it seems. Have y’all seen Run?

Yea

Really? What did he teach? That's so wild!

No way

Lol Why?

I believe it's from that one RU-vid family Channel where they adopted a boy from China and kept him for a while, but because he had learning and behavioral issues, they gave him back. The mom kept calling him "kiddo" and it drive me nuts. I believe the mom is a toxic person....

In a way yes and her father putting her on medication she doesn’t really need, unknowingly committing medical child abuse

She wasn't lying or faking conversion disorder is a real thing. It is a neurological condition and cannot be controlled the symptoms aren't made up but stress can trigger flare ups. It is now called functional neurological disorder and effects the body in very real ways and these ways can even show on test. Like for me I have neurogenic bladder, poor motility, pain, fatigue, psychogenic non epileptic seizures, paralysis, and more. I rely on a feeding tube and cathater. I was in the hospital fighting for my life for a while with it because of the havoc it was causing my body. You can see my paralysis on FMRI because although my brain is intact it can't communicate to my body anymore or correctly kind of like a software issue. y

Because from what I understood the dad is the one convincing her she is sick

Right ?? Like she found a way to get her father's attention and her dad being a protective parent would try and take care of her with out malice

@@marycool4986 Can you explain? Cause it seems like she's tricking him into believing that she's sick, because it gets her more attention.

The father put her on all this medication and was not listening to the doctors so he had to be stopped. Who knows what would've happened if he continued being delusional. Medications have serious side effects.

@@bookbag6432 and who gave him those meds? He obviously saw other doctors.

why you got to sexualise everything the most important relationship to a child is her or his mum and dad and she lost her mum so now she only has 1 parent to sub for both

@@sunnyday4055 Oh, wait a minute. My mistake. I wasn't referring to real people. I meant the way the actress who plays the daughter was acting, it gave me these mixed feelings. As it comes from a TV show where anything is possible (even people who believe they are vampires), this is not an inconceivable idea. Anyway, those were the feelings that her expressions evoked in me.

Ikr i feel lile she fell in love with him by him caring for her ,when really he was making her sick menatally ☹️

@@sunnyday4055 why when someone said "love" you heard "sex"? is everything ok in your life?

I don't think he was going to listen no matter what the doctor said. He didn't want the doctors to run a Mido test, what makes you think he'd listen to the shrink about a possible mental illness? And hospitals are required by law to report any and all suspicions of child abuse to the authorities.

I’m not going to claim to know anything about your condition, but as far as I could tell, in the beginning they were confused about the diagnosis because she hadn’t had a muscle biopsy. I don’t think that they really thought they were lying at that point, they were just confused. But for the rest of the episode, you are definitely right.

I completely agree! I have Ehler's Danlos Syndrome and I went through the same thing struggling to get a diagnosis and not being taken seriously because I was a young woman. The having a strict medication schedule, an emergency hospital bag, all important information on file with them, knowing all the medications off by heart, knowing treatment options/comorbidities etc well, advocating for your own health and being a "professional patient" is something chronically ill people HAVE to do to survive but it's shown here as obsessive and hypochondriac like which is so not true. Before my diagnosis I was told it was all in my head and they even tried to blame symptoms I've had for years on a new medication I was on but I only got worse when they took me off it. Eventually someone my mum knew with EDS told us to look into it because my symptoms were the exact same as hers and eventually we got an EDS diagnosis because of that. Even after my EDS and several comorbidities like Spastic Paraplegia were diagnosed I had a doctor accuse me of faking it and told me I can't have Spastic Paraplegia because my Spasticity and Sustained Clonus weren't that bad on the physical exam but this was due to having ongoing successful treatment of my symptoms. This guy wasn't even a Neurologist but he tried to overrule the 2 teams of Neurologists in the best Neurological centres in the country who had originally diagnosed me. He then just tried to discharge me with no help for what I went in for (it was nothing to do with my Spastic Paraplegia so why he was looking at that I have no idea) and didn't even test to see if there was something else going on if he thought I was misdiagnosed. This happens way too much to women, especially if you're young

@@harley-amybanks2168 women, and especially women of color are constantly being dismissed by doctors, I was lucky enough to have good doctors and very visible, non-dismissible problems. Edit: I just remembered something, when I was about three years old I was experiencing extreme stomach pain so we went to the hospital (not our usual one) and they diagnosed me with a stomach bug. I had pneumonia that was so bad that my lungs were swelling and pushing on my stomach. Both me and my mother (both women of color) were misdiagnosed at that hospital.

@@chambers4676 exactly, it's a constant problem within my partner's family too. You've really got to battle the system hard to get basic medical care in a lot of cases unfortunately

@@harley-amybanks2168 I completely understand!!! Thank you for sharing your experience. Unfortunately it sounds way too familiar. I can not wait for the medical community to start taking some responsibility for how they treat chronically ill patients. It’s not fair to expect everything to be on us, and it’s not fair to have to prove over and over again to every single doctor you come in contact with that you do in fact have the disease that is written and diagnosed in your chart. It’s especially difficult for young women to navigate the medical field and to be believed and it’s just wrong. These cases do happen like depicted in this episode, but I wholeheartedly believe it is wrong to immediately jump to the psychosomatic diagnosis every time a young women comes in with an extensive medical history.

This is not grey's anatomy lmaooo

This is not greys anatomy tho......

I know this isn't Gray's Anatomy. Usually that's the doctor show everyone points to as being entertaining, I've never seen it outside of clips. Yet I find this show (and House M.D.) to be more entertaining despite also only watching them through RU-vid clips

Just remember that this is a TV show and a decent amount of information is exaggerated for the sake of entertainment.

@@CherryFlavoredFox0180 that's why I mentioned psychology and sociology. I understand it's a TV show and can be exaggerated, but a person can also learn from it.

Those that studied the course for a long time are fools 🤣🤣🤣

I don’t think you know what sociology is

no you didn’t lmfao

OMG FR

The kid wasn't intentionally faking

Medical training is just memorising books mostly.

She's a child. Her father was being greatly inattentive in his grief, which I get but it doesn't excuse that. A child's growth can be stunted when they have emotionally unresponsive parents. While she may have exaggerated her symptoms, her father was the adult and made choices without the advice of a medical professional that have the potential to kill/greatly harm her. Not only did he treat her without the advice of an actual doctor, but he went directly against the recommendations of a doctor by not allowing her to get a biopsy that could help her.

she’s a child, she didn’t do shit. it’s all him. he has munchausen. my mother has it, it’s clear as day to me that, that’s what he has. don’t blame this child for his wrongdoings

You can't have assume it's malicious

It's a psychological condition called Factitious disorder (formerly Munchausen disorder). The person goes to lengths to pretend they have serious illness in order to get the caring concern and attention of their loved one. It often means going to various doctors and specialists, various procedures, lab work, and assessments trying to figure out what this mystery illness could be. When a parent makes their child ill (or anyone in a guardian role over another) to fake an illness so they can get the attention and adoration of others for being the "wonderful caretaker" or "warrior parent" it's called Factitious disorder by proxy (formerly Munchausen by proxy).

The little girl isn’t simply attention-seeking but is distracting her dad from his grief. Helping him, in her childlike perception, through therapy as she sees the situation. It is not entirely through self-interest?

He eventually realizes that the doctors may be right and is allowed supervised visitation with his daughter. The poor guy breaks down in tears coming to this realization.

Aight me please

OMG I'M 5:26 MINUTES INTO THE VIDEO AND I KNEW IT JUST RE-WATCH IT AND YOU'LL KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!!!!!

IT MENDS LIKE THAT!