Is Tuning the 2.4L BRZ/GR86 Worth While? ECUTEK tuning our Subaru BRZ - Motive Garage

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With ECUTEK tuning software now available for the latest generation BRZ and GR86, we took our car to PVS Tuning to see what gains we get on our car fitted with upgraded SME headers and exhaust system. Is it worth it? We find out.
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@garagecedric Год назад

Solid gains from the tuning, Try that E85 tune out next, the gains looked really impressive! :)

@xxxneoxxx Год назад

That e85 gain is unbelievable! Next episode plz

@luke_rr4474 Год назад

Great update on the BRZ. Are you going to do a video on what else the Ecutek software does such as auto rev matching etc. ?

@andrewrigg4905 Год назад

Sounds quite good. Good gains .

@spencersinger3209 Год назад

You guy should do a series with the VB WRX like you guy did with the Yaris…awesome stuff 👍

@benve_luca Год назад

I've been looking for a proper GR86/BRZ project for months that really shows how much potential this engine has, hopefully you guys will come up with a proper forced induction that does justice to this very last ice JDM icon

@Jez4prez1 Год назад

amen

@apex_gr 8 месяцев назад

Very last ICE? I doubt hard bro. ICE will come back harder than ever. EV mandates won't last long.

@Trisma Год назад

Hell yeah guys, will be following the build. I have a GR86 on the way and can't wait to see what a turbo can do.

@juannugraha647 Год назад

sadly they are selling the car.

@oscara.7950 Год назад

Nxt lvl got a turbo kit in the works coming out this week they say ~350hp

@Trisma Год назад

@@oscara.7950 SME Australia doing kits now. Also HKS and TOM's kits in development

@TMRDAM Год назад

Great results! I'm very curious to see what it will make when cams will be developed for this engine.

@zinny999 Год назад

If TOMS come out with Cam and Rod I be very interested. If it can rev out to 8k rpm and gain more HP at that top end will make this extraordinary.

@anothersome1whoknows Год назад

Make you appreciate what was possible in the early 90s with the Porsche 944S2 and 968. 3L 4cyl N/A with pistons like coffee cans. Change injectors, plugs, cat delete and get ahold of the factory racing chip and presto, 310whp. They hung in there with 550HP Camaros and Eagle Talons running all the boost in GT racing because they had a wide power band with the vario-cam. V-Tech yo. 🤣🤣

@tturi2 Год назад

I'd love to see one with some big cams

@ratty2012 5 месяцев назад

86s and metal? Two of my favorite things

@euphoric5172 Год назад

You should stick with a naturally aspirated build for this one, since this is the modern revival of the AE86 and the best 86's are tuned N/A builds, i would love to see if changing the whole intake manifold and intake filter system would make a good difference for power on this engine, could certainly get more power out of it at high RPM with an intake that's optimised for peak power, but E85 would be a great upgrade too.

@yume8380 Год назад

Yes, NA power everything like the S2000.

@Toymonkeyjr Год назад

Need an itb conversion for that to be worth it. Otherwise it needs a centrifugal.

@thedoctormma9433 Год назад

@@Toymonkeyjr twin screw*

@thedoctormma9433 Год назад

A stroker kit would be amazing if possible. I'm not too familiar with flat engines enough to know why they don't have any though.

@Toymonkeyjr Год назад

@@thedoctormma9433 centrifugal would make it retain most of it's na powerband just more torque the whole way, twin screw would ruin the experience and probably cause more oversteer in cornering.

@anthonyversace6027 Год назад

What oil weight does he recommend? And if yall can do a explanation as well. Thats been a topic in the forums

@al3x14 Год назад

Wait is the car wrapped with this color, this color looks so good on this car!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥

@PBrooksSawyer Год назад

Yea that wrap is gorgeous

@al3x14 Год назад

@@PBrooksSawyer FR LOOKS REALL GOOD!

@hyper8545 Год назад

I do think a supercharger may be pretty sick with these new 2.4s. I think hks just showed off one at the Tokyo show

@ThunderGoatz Год назад

any amount of boost will make a FA pop. Its not if, its when. The things needs to be built for boost

@PendingEvolution Год назад

@@ThunderGoatz dude the fa24 is a monster it consumes boost happily

@damonreece Год назад

@@PendingEvolution Lots of big differences between the FA24F in the WRX and the FA24D in the BRZ/GR86 - too early to tell how well the latter deals with stress long-term.

@PendingEvolution Год назад

@@damonreece agreed. he just said FA without specifying anything. but again I wouldnt be suprised if this generation 24D was significantly I'mproved over last in terms of boost consumability

@lynxis Год назад

@@PendingEvolution It should be noted that running higher compression is automatically a disadvantage for reliability, although nobody will know for sure how they will hold up until a decent number of them get turbos but I'm hedging my expectations.

@grecoconduris6716 Год назад

I know turbo is the go. But I also feel like a Harrop supercharger would also suit the car if you weren’t going for max power.

@Carlos.Rivera Год назад

For the price, go turbo

@Carlos.Rivera Год назад

@L W same with JDL turbo kits. And still have potential for more power

@grecoconduris6716 Год назад

@wheresimpreza I haven't seen that executed on these cars. Having said that, I haven't gone looking either.

@cagf2013 Год назад

Agree 100% - prefer the linear power of a roots style charger. Who cares if a turbo has more headroom… this car doesn’t need 400hp to be fun on the street.

@lachlanhodgkinson9246 13 часов назад

Yeah just ordered an 86 and I think I’m gonna go with the Harrop supercharger

@boost331 Год назад

I will still bet a UEL will do better filling in that TQ dip and making power under 5k. The EL should still do better with peak numbers. I think a UEL will make for a more peppy, fun street car. And lets not forget that the sound is like an engine orgasm. You can keep your couple extra HP up top as far as I am concerned. LOL

@racefix Год назад

You can't feel the torque dip at all by the seat of your pants. The 4-2-1 header design mimics 90% the mid range gains of a UEL header while still being able to flow the HP up top and the engine stays motivated to rev.

@boost331 Год назад

@@racefix I sure felt it when my car was stock. Now with my UEL the car will light the tires up from a rolling start when it hits the midrange. That is still on stock tune too. Im usually all about max performance but the sound of a UEL cant be beat. In this case I make the sacrifice. I am glad to see progress with tuning for sure though. Once flex fuel kits are available I will get mine tuned.

@ChrisPlaysCoC Год назад

@@boost331 I 100% have to agree with you there. I had PSR UEL headers on my GT86 paired with the Invidia N1 full exhaust and it sounded godly...

@joshuahund3124 Год назад

The song is So Easy by Jed Stark. You're welcome.

@interdyrkmensional Год назад

I miss hearing this voice on d sport dvd

@S2K2121 10 месяцев назад

No freedom units?

@future_phonk Год назад

Anything new going on with the BRZ?

@ricardomedina3874 Год назад

Suscribed because of the music choice lol

@chrisconnolly1542 4 месяца назад

Any updates on the BRZ?

@zensei5158 7 месяцев назад

Still waiting on that intake video 👀

@jameslovett8697 Год назад

16wkw increase, how many wnm?

@ChristopherHallett Год назад

Parramatta Vehicle Services? Is the Motive Toyobaru getting some yeah buds and a 4 inch suspension drop?

@MotiveVideo Год назад

PVS are into racing

@GregBurgess360 Год назад

After tuning my mazdaspeed i noticed an increase in MPG, i wonder if that is the case for the 86 as well

@Ortizjan2227 Год назад

Car being optimized for the increased airflow hence the better mpgs if you don’t floor it lol

@lachlanwestrupp7487 Год назад

What is up with the horrible jump in the middle? Looks like old vtec or a waste cracking open

@Kami892 Год назад

idk maybe i don’t know what impressive gains are, but 15hp from a tune doesn’t sound crazy. my 2019 turbo brz was making more whp than this car on BASE map (5psi) after tune i’m around 290whp on 12psi, which was a 60hp gain from the tune. No E85 yet because there are no stations around me obviously you aren’t going to get as big gains on an NA car, but my point is, why spend 600-1000 on a tune when you can buy a turbo kit for 3-5k and have 3x better results and 10x better after tune.

@idokwatcher2062 Год назад

Because it is illegal to put a turbo on an N/A car in most of the world.

@Official.ras3 5 дней назад

Can you use ecutek on a automatic GR86 2023 ?

@1Solace Год назад

Is it catless?

@joefries7046 Год назад

I work at a toyota dealership in 2016 and the master tech at the time got to install a stage 2 turbo kit ( bigger pump, exhaust and injectors also ) on a toyota 86. Was advertised to make around 330 Hp. Not sure if it was at the tires or not. I really dont think so. But all i know is that thing with sticky michelins would break loose at 90 k an hour on the highway. Be great fun im sure haha

@julecasey2376 Год назад

330hp to the wheels is really good, it could’ve been to the crankshaft, I saw numbers of 330+ with vortech sc, e85 and a tune with fbo! This was on a 2015 scion frs

@joefries7046 Год назад

@@julecasey2376 thats sweet! always liked the Frs

@Moltenpearl168 10 месяцев назад

Meanwhile my friend brz thinks his header exhaust and stage 2 tune makes 400hp i kinda felt bad and funny at the same time🤣

@drewsama Год назад

I have a brz. This song is so painfully slow I’ve been considering it lol

@himedia5354 Год назад

Might as well buy WRX STI and tune it instead spending money on NA.

@behindthebuild8016 Год назад

Ooof NA life ay 13kw is like what u make from an air filter no tune on a good turbo car rip.

@kakitkam Год назад

You must be fun at parties

@cognition26 Год назад

It needs a 1j

@OviWanKeno9i Год назад

How is it worth it for 10-15 hp? You can't really tell 10-15 hp. Does it not make much because it's NA? When I tuned my A6 I went from 310 hp to 500hp, so 10 seems like money thrown away. Is the WRX a better candidate for power? Doesn't look like a sports car though; it looks like a Tonka toy nowadays. It needs plastic conditioner in the sun over time. lol. I'm wondering what it can do with forced induction, cost to add that, but this 15 hp is so underwhelming. I'm looking into the tuning potential of these for power, then add a wide body kit, and some light rims + wide tires.

@wobblysauce Год назад

Still more of a sound choice

@Blight-fp3vt Год назад

So 16kw (11%) gain from tune and headerback exhaust system on 98. Potentially 27kw (18%) from stock to e85. Really good for what, 4k in tune and exhaust stuff? Just another reason why you should get the manual BRZ over the manual GR86, which is 4-5k more expensive her in Aus :( And while I am here. 176kw at the hubs from a 4 banger naturally aspirated? That's just crazy.

@yume8380 Год назад

2.4 is a big 4 cylinder.

@Blight-fp3vt Год назад

@@yume8380 Yeah great cylinder size for performance at 600ml - Same as a 3.8 6, or a 5l 8. They really did give us a ripper of an NA send-off.

@jameslovett8697 Год назад

What was the NM increase I wonder.

@Blight-fp3vt Год назад

@@jameslovett8697 peaked at 270nm at the wheels at around 4k or so if I recall.

@jameslovett8697 Год назад

@@Blight-fp3vt it's 250nm at the engine stock no? So what is it stock at the wheels and does it go to 270nm at the engine or wheels with this?

@321GoPro Год назад

What needs to be done to get a BRZ running on flex fuel and is there any down sides? Reliability problems?

@racefix Год назад

No real downsides. There isn’t a flex kit available on the market for the new 2.4L cars yet. It was very popular on the 2L cars!

@Treaxvour Год назад

Kevin Vo did e85 tune with the ecutek beta. The new model has multi-injection - direct injection with port injection. So it should clean the valves from the sticky build up that is common on high ethanol gas. However, the power gains are not much. Kevin made 6 hp on e85 compared to regular gas, with an exhaust and tune. For a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder, I don't think the power gain is worth the fuel economy. And I live in the state with the most abundant ethanol in the country.

@t3mp0rary151 Год назад

@@Treaxvour so what is the best option for performance gains? forced induction or just swap it atp?

@kuladeeluxe Год назад

I like my warranty too much

@descentmvm Год назад

honestly quite impressive for a 4cyl... 220+ hp to rear wheels.. and you loose a bit more in rwd vs fwd.. guessing thats probably 250+ at crank

@noirceur_ Год назад

The Honda S2K was making 237hp completely bone stock 20+ years ago and was MUCH more reliable. A tuned modern N/A 4cyl with supporting mods now should be well above those old stock Honda numbers.

@SouthlandFlyer Год назад

@@noirceur_ Not to the rear wheels it wasnt.

@noirceur_ Год назад

@@SouthlandFlyer 239hp to wheels, bone stock, 20 years later. Sorry for the long video, skip to 4:40 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nYKIcgWUliY.html

@SouthlandFlyer Год назад

@@noirceur_ it quite clearly says engine power 239, wheel power 176hp.

@descentmvm Год назад

@@noirceur_ oh trust me buddy i know allll about hondas hahaha. imo i would never own a subaru just found it quite impressive to see another 4 cyl making 200+ wheel from factory. I think this is the last production na 4cyl we have right now that n/a that makes power. but its a fucking subaru boxer rip

@zinny999 Год назад

I thought RON98 was better than e85 🤷🏻‍♂️

@Michael-jf9dw Год назад

nope

@aaromon43 Год назад

imagine the gr86 with the gr yaris/corolla powertrain..

@yume8380 Год назад

That would increase the price exponentially, this is an affordable sports car.

@kakitkam Год назад

not an “86” then

@idokwatcher2062 Год назад

As it should have been. Or at the very least FA24 turbo TRD/STi model. So they are legal in Europe and Asia where turbocharging is not permitted.

@petkokrushev3840 Год назад

As far as I can see, it still has the torque dip

@Jez4prez1 Год назад

nah it doesn't really

@yume8380 Год назад

That torque dip will go great with your chips!!!

@i.d.6492 9 месяцев назад

If this car had 300 whp from factory I'd buy in the hard beat

@BarrySlisk 5 месяцев назад

Could you afford it then?

@i.d.6492 5 месяцев назад

@@BarrySlisk lmao yeah. I can afford K5gt and Sonata Nline, those have way more power. This car is overpriced for performance it gives. I'd take miata oflver this

@BarrySlisk 5 месяцев назад

@@i.d.6492 But the miata design is so ugly and has even less power??? Cheaper though, true.

@i.d.6492 5 месяцев назад

@@BarrySlisk I looked up the vehicle you were talking about and it has what 220 hp if I'm not mistaking. Miata weight less and not necessarily cheaper. It's like $40K for manual with sport appearance brembos and recaro seats. It's better because it's much light and has 50/50 weight distribution and has strong aftermarket support

@HansDelbruck53 11 месяцев назад

Worthwhile is one word.

@paulharris5497 Год назад

HP?

@asuncionmaldonado3382 Год назад

Does all4 cylinder have a nasty torque curve

@MotiveVideo Год назад

no, just BRZ/86 engines

@Treaxvour Год назад

Boxer engines

@beexiong2995 Год назад

E85 will give it another 20whp

@Treaxvour Год назад

More like 10. Kevin Vo did e85 tune and only got 6-7 hp vs a 91 tune with catback.

@beexiong2995 Год назад

@@Treaxvour tune with a header will give big results.

@scottiewardle Год назад

still don't understand why they didn't opt for the 1.6 GR Yaris engine. keep it light

@wedgett1 Год назад

Would love to see this swap if it hasn't been done yet!

@frank_lotion_ Год назад

It’s intended to be a more “pure” car, not a drift missile or a rally machine. With that kind of driver’s car approach, NA is really the best way to go with that setup, notably for the linear torque curve and predictable power delivery. That 3 cyl turbo prob would have made the car unwieldy and ornery, which kills the whole point of what the GR86 is supposed to be about in the first place

@HardstylePete Год назад

Cost

@avery4528 Год назад

There’s no way that power plant is lighter considering all the added engine support to run a turbo system.

@nodnarbz_1327 Год назад

BRZ/GT86 were designed to have a flat engine so they can keep the hood low. GR Corolla needs a hood bulge from how tall the engine is.

@Thedmcke3 Год назад

Gee I'm glad you played that shitty drum and bass over the top of him giving his explanation! Would have been a real shame to hear what he was saying while gesturing to the graph!

@benn30ify Год назад

TURBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

@scribzone192 Год назад

You know it's coming eventually lol

@johl88 Год назад

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but it’s up for sale

@johl88 Год назад

@@WHYxSOxSERiiOUS no real point when they have already developed the gr yaris

@tyrantrex734 Месяц назад

Man...wish I had enough money not to care about throwing my warranty and lifetime oil changes out the window.

@joshdobson2737 Год назад

First or second gen.... I still want to see a Subaru 6 cylinder swap!

@inaNis_ Год назад

There is an old one on RU-vid from hot version, guy swapped in the EZ30R 3.0 liter into a FT86 and the hot version crew drove it on gunsai. It had good torque but they didn’t seem to think very highly of the car itself

@jonasbaine3538 Год назад

yes I was expecting a 3.0 flat 6. Then they put a 300hp 1.6 in a yaris????

@Jez4prez1 Год назад

best ones I've seen run EJ's, like the GT300 BRZ. There is also this crazy BRZ you can see on youtube, where the guy has it converted to AWD and is running an EJ. Search it up.

@inaNis_ Год назад

@@Jez4prez1 ive seen that awd BRZ as well. I think its just that the EJ's are better race motors honestly, bigger bore, more work into cylinder head porting, etc

@Jez4prez1 Год назад

@@inaNis_ for sure, plus decades of motorsport R&D behind the EJ platform, with aftermarket parts for basically every component in the engine.

@stephenschenider4007 Год назад

So 2000 dollars roughly for 10hp? Nah I'll stay stock.

@svdgoon Год назад

lol

@Ocelopillin Год назад

Just need sun roof to be perfect

@chrisg4rr377 Год назад

So the brz still isn't coming with a factory turbo????

@chrisg4rr377 Год назад

@lw1878 kinda sucks. Not that i ever would have bought one

@zaarkeru3391 Год назад

@@chrisg4rr377 I mean, its more of a pure experience sports car. A turbo with turbo lag, a muted engine note and (usually) a non linear powerband would just make it worse.

@chrisg4rr377 Год назад

@@zaarkeru3391 a power band thats not actually powerful. And modern turbos don't suffer from lag. Just it would make it slightly more fun than a boring slow car

@Dholi1 Год назад

@@chrisg4rr377 Boring slow car? Lol, that's why car reviewers are raving about it eh?

@Monkeydoge Год назад

Making this more powerful would make the 2.0 Supra useless, and cannibalize Toyota’s sales. Mind you more expensive too 😅

@sleebanger Год назад

ecutek is just copy & paste tuning.

@bubbas6599 Год назад

Chewwnn

@mikeedwards1682 2 месяца назад

Still underpowered

@Bodangers 5 дней назад

No it's not for the price

@mikeedwards1682 2 дня назад

Yes it is a good gain in power for $$$ but it’s a shame they have no excitement stock like an s chassis turbo of 15 years ago.

@EvilJ069 Год назад

*Stabs people that say 'zed' instead of z*

@chad6434 Год назад

Tf is a kw? Gimme hp

@AzNightmare Год назад

*Pro Tip. Divide kw by 0.74. And you'll get a pretty close hp estimate. Times Nm by 0.74 and you'll get a close ft-lb tq estimate.*

@BarrySlisk 5 месяцев назад

"What the Hell is a Gigawatt!!??"

@mrporsche4236 Год назад

Turbo takes the fun out of every car. Cars are suppose to be fun. Why would you turbo any car i will never understand

@MotiveVideo Год назад

Taking the turbo off a car makes it so boring. We could never understand why someone would want a naturally aspirated car.

@mrporsche4236 5 месяцев назад

You have no idea what your talking about

@JacesOwnWorld Год назад

It’s still slow, so I would say no

@MotiveVideo Год назад

If you think it’s slow, you don’t know how to drive around a circuit well enough 😁

@PianoBlackTrimRep. Год назад

Tunes will grenade your engine otherwise why wouldn't car manufactures just make the engine have more horsepower from the factory?

@MotiveVideo Год назад

🤦‍♂️ You must be fun at car shows

@martalex1000 Год назад

You must be new here

@BarrySlisk 5 месяцев назад

@@MotiveVideo interesting question though. But I am also a total idiot when it comes to cars and tuning.

@ronaldov09 Год назад

Still gutless

@kd2833 Год назад

Increase rev limit ?

@MotiveVideo Год назад

Why? if power is no longer increasing?

@kd2833 Год назад

@@MotiveVideo u tested that ? Els for gear advantage like 8 would make it more fun also

@agj6022 Год назад

Why would we add power to the engine that is very, VERY UNRELIABLE ?

@MotiveVideo Год назад

I know right! we should just shit down the entire aftermarket and racing industry and never modify our cars.

@agj6022 Год назад

@@MotiveVideo Sorry, didn't mean to offend you and your great work... I live in North America... and just after a few thousand miles I tuned up my new cars not worrying about warranty - Acura RSX ~ 300 WHP, Scion tC ~ 400 WHP and now Corolla Hatch ~ 215 HP (non-turbo). Simply, I have had NO issues with these engines ... while my friends experience issues with non tuned Subaru Boxers. Keep up a great work.

@Munchticles Год назад

This is a newer engine than the first gen FA20D in the BRZ/GT86. The FA24 is only 4-5 years old, and that's the F variant which has a turbo while this is the D which is NA is only about 3 years old. It has reportedly "fixed" the issues with the older engine so reliability is a bit unknown at this point but said to be better. Toyota also upped its stake in Subaru to 20% and made it part of Toyota Group around 2020 so I'm sure that's put more pressure on them for better reliability.