Whats extra funny about the Bob transformation is that 1 of the items (and in my opinion the most likely since its in the red chest pool), Bob's Curse...already gives Poison immunity
The trinket is not *really* a Guppy item. Giving Guppy progress is the actual effect of the trinket. If the trinket were *also* a guppy item then it would give 2/3. No trinket passively promotes transformations.
@@nurbxam8591Considering that Kids Drawings entire effect is contributing towards a transformation, it's pretty clear that game considers "contributes to transformation" as a unique effect that is non standard to trinkets.
An understated benefit of the leviathan transformation is the context in which you likely get it, which is during devil deals. because it gives you black hearts you can often times cheat out a free devil item that would normally kill you.
It's so funny that the Oh Crap transformation gives you half a red heart for breaking poops because the most likely character to get the transformation, that can also generate poops is blue baby... the character that can't have red hearts
There’s a good mod that makes it that blue baby gets a friendly dip for every red health he gets idk if it works with oh crap tho since it doesn’t spawn red harts Sorry for bad English I’m not a native speaker
Similar thing with the seraphim transformation: the Lost starts with Holy Mantle if you give enough money to the greed machine meaning he can get the transformation slightly faster, but it’s useless because 1. He already has flight 2. He has no health Edit: apparently lost’s mantle doesn’t contribute to the seraphim count
@@Byssa6 This is when I tell you that the Lost's holy mantle isn't actually an item, but a core part of his character meaning it does not contribute to seraphim. (There's no holy mantle in your item list when you start the round and when you touch white fire you don't add it to your item list)
26:00 you got it the wrong way! The game itself actually does NOT treat Super Bum as a transformation (you even explained it with it needing 3 specific items instead of any 3 items of a pool), but everyone and their mom insists on calling it one because it is listed on the wiki... 🙄 ...anyway, great list and based Conjoined enjoyer!
I think Spun's biggest strength is how easy it is to get. The fact that syringes already give stats means that getting spun will carry you for a while in terms of stats. I feel like I get it a lot more than Beelzebub at least. Also Oh Crap is generally stinky (as you would expect) but i have a soft spot for it because it has very niche game break potential
@@kubak1592actually, it's even dumber. He says that transformations are overpowered in concept. I mean, just take a look at Bob and Oh Crap, they're TEARING Isaac APART balance-wise!
I just disagree with Adult, yeah you HAVE to have the pill in rotation, but i've had it way more times than some of the transformations you rated 2 on likelihood
3:22 actually, yes this transformation can hurt you if you get a friendly rainbow champion it will attract you and make the game implayable (it's really rare so I understand why you didn't mention it). Also yes mother as T. Judas goes so hard, i'm pretty sure you could easely beat hush without shooting any tears with that
My thoughts on how to make some anti pog transformations better Funguy- on hit or rare chance on fire, unleash a fart that mucers an enemy, and all other farts have the same effect Bob- gives a stackable aquarius copy and poison immunity and tears Oh crap- keep the current effect with a small chance to get a random heart, on enemy kill spawn a poop with a small chance for a random poop to spawn, poops take one shot, and get larger farts Spider baby- mulligan but spider Stompy- gives current effect, you can open secret rooms, and you are immune to rock/mush effects
@@schizopenguinmom's wig spawns up to 5 spiders while you shoot, mulligan spawns a fly with a 1/5 chance when you hit an enemy. imo its not even similar
I argue that the leviathan transformation is more useful than seraphim, only because since it's devil deals instead of angel deals, you can take a free deal potentially.
I give Yes Mother a 0 because it can activate TNT barrels as a flying character, blowing them up while you're on it. This has happened to me once and I hold a grudge to this day.
The issue with giving beelzebub a 2/4 likelihood is that the vast majority of items that give beezlebub transformation are quality 1 or 2 and with it being obtained from an item pool you're (basically) garanteed to take multiple items from, it always ends up feeling much more common
Just gonna point out ... the box of thescored '2' '3' and '4' under likelihood have a pixel row of white pixels if i am not mistaken, just for my ocd friends out there. Love the video much love and thanks for the informational content :3
I have 1300 hours in the game and I'm about to get the third dead god and I got the Super Bum only *once* and was in a breaking run that took 2 hours when Tainted Cain wasn't patch yet
I never had Fun guy before and I have Adulthood 5 or 6 times, but I main Cain, so I'm not afraid of taking random pills. But still I would say he should be likehoof 1,5 or even 2 if Fun guy is 1.
I once got 3 guppy pieces in one room. The runthat i got that in was horrible, I got 1 stat up. But i randomely bought hive mind in a shop the floor before the guppy one. I won that run by simply guppy + Hive Mind
All bums are available in the Item room pool and their respective bum's pools as well. They can also be acquired through Soul of Lilith. Additionally, key bum is available in the secret room pool and dark bum can be received through cambion conception or purchased in the devil room. So likelihood should be something like 0.1
I actually got super bum recently on one of my runs, sadly though it was on Void so I didn't get much value out of it but he's a kinda crazy little guy honestly. Plus, he has a super cool animation that plays when you get the transformation.
Why is seraphim considered as likely as guppy if seraphim is also only in Angel/devil room and some other pools, the same as guppy basically but more items and also you don’t lose hearts to get it.
9:15 ok. You've confused me. One of the two of us don't know how to read and make graphs and I don't think it's me. Usefulness is how high the item should be, and likelihood to obtain is how far aling the item should be. You got it right with all the other transformations from what I can tell. How did you screw it up with Bob?
Some ideas to improve the lesser useful transformations: Bob- add immunity to explosions Adult- add 0.25 damage mult, add speed down effect Spider baby- spider does damage to enemy, add moms wig effect that can stack chance with moms wig Funguy- increase chance to get items from mushrooms, destroying mushrooms heal 1/2 heart Oh crap- poop enemies are friendly including poop themed bosses ( tell me that wouldnt be fun) Stompy- ???
I would like to add at the leviathan transformation it can sometimes get you another free item in the devil room if you are low on hp (u can buy it with rest of your hearts and then gain 2 black hearts)
I think there’s something to be said of the possibility of the Oh Crap transformation on Ultra Hard, outside that though I’m not sure there’s really much to do with it.
Would the item thunder thighs count as stompy cause it does the same thing and says "you feel stompy" the spawn rock waves for others but not thunder thighs makes me unable to tell if it would be considered
Leviathan has an advantage where you can take more devil deals that you can handle, because the transformation itself won't let you die and give you 2 more hearts It's always really satisfying when I wouldn't be able to take the Brimstone with just 1 soul heart, just for the Brimstone to give me the transformation wtih 1 more heart to have
I think Beezlebub may be the easiest transformation to get in the game behind Yes, Mother, it easily should be rank 3. A lot of the items are in the shop item pool, and skatole you can get by playing shell games in arcades. If you get one beezlebub item in a treasure pool, you can try to force it the same way you do guppy by checking shop items (which you can very often reroll for what you want) and by playing a shell game. Way more consistent to get imo than like, basically anything besides yes, mother which i get all the time on accident.
I also think you overrate spun a little. The damage up is super nice of course, but flight is amazing. I think flight is generally better, but i would rate spun's damage slightly higher because there are a lot of ways to get flight and you only need it once. 3.5 usefullness imo
Nah guppy should be like 4/5 likelihood they are like half of the red chest item pool and a big chunk of the curse room item pool so it's pretty easy to rig chaos voodoo head goat head by themselves can secure it or guppies tail (a guppy item) the makes chest spawn way more often with left hand a trinket that make them all red chest.
i mean I agree it is fairly common with all the pools its in but its def not more likely than some of the others on the list so i stand by my placement o7 you may throw your stones at me here
Beelzebub is definitely more likely than Guppy. Skatole, even though its a bad item, is extremely easy to get from the Shell game, and there's several fly items in the shop, plus you can get the plum flute every time you encounter Baby Plum (who you encounter early into the run so you can better gauge whether you want to go out of your way beelzebub). But having reliable ways to get at least 2/3 pieces of a transformation makes it significantly more common than Guppy imo, even if you won't run in to Baby Plum every time. If you want Beelzebub its probably the easiest transformation to "force" in to your run. The question of whether its worth it to go out of your way for just flight and sacrifice at least 1 boss pool item and however many coins in the process is up to you, but its very easy to get.
Dark Bum is also in the Treasure Room pool, so there is a non-zero chance that you can boot up a run and get Super Bum fron three consecutive treasure rooms and i think thats the ultimate jackpot you can get in isaac
It should be mentioned that the flight can be seen useless since like, a third of the angel pool items ALREADY GRANTS FLIGHT. Meaning its only tradeoff is if A) you avoided items that give flight and B) 3 soul hearts
Ok but where does the background music come from? Cuz i was suddenly reminded of a flash game I played on my childhood called "Slush Invaders" or something and I think I might be ascending
Adult doesn't deserve 0.5 likelihood. Yes, you need puberty in the rotation, but when you have it, getting Adult is very easy. In my 1000 hours of playing I've seen Adult way more often that seraphim/leviathan.
I don’t know if my luck is just that bad but as far as I can tell guppy is not a 3 likelihood. I think I’ve gotten that transformation once in my last 100-200 runs or so, and that was primarily lost and tainted lost so I was taking a lot of devil deals
Imo leviathan is significantly better than what people think. It is the easiest flight transformation to obtain (although you'll likely have flight through the items for leviathan), and flight has way more value the earlier you get it. It also allows for underpriced devil deals by granting you soul hearts or just provides an extra safety net cuz you are taking devil deals. In comparison, getting seraphim usually means it's already a won run, but getting leviathan might just save a run.
imo leviatan>seraphim. This gives you 2 black hearts, so if you can't afford the item in the devil's room, you can still buy it if it's the third transformation item. Additionally, if you go to the angel's rooms you usually have a lot of health, so these 3 additional soul hearts do not matter that much
Yes mother should at least be 2 usefulness. Considering the high likelihood of getting it, it's another damage option you have at your disposal for the rest of the whole run. Also, arguably, bookworm is a 5 likelihood to get
I rolled a d100 into super bun once and its actually pretty bad as most rewards will give you chests with money and keys inside that he will immediately just eat again or will give you golden chests that you wont have the keys to open since he eats your keys. Its only useful because dark bum is broken but both key bun and bum friend are just plain bad.
beelzelbub's likelyhood is off, it really should be a 3, because you can basically get skatole every run if you want to, meaning you only really need 2 fly items, and the fly items are pretty common in item and the shop, you can probably get the transformation every other run if you wanted to tbh
I've only ever gotten Super bum ONCE and it was literally IN THE CHEST literally the last Floor I could possibly find it , I usually avoid key bum like the plague but the run I gotten Super bum , key bum was a blind item so I thought I was unlucky but nope I found regular bum in the chest!
In one of my runs I had stompy and I found a crawlspace next to a rock with bombs in it and I carefully entered it without touching the rock, when I got out of the crawlspace the rock exploded and the game crashed corrupting the files. 0/10 transformation
Honestly i feel the newer transformations are all pretty undertuned for no reason at all. I feel that seraphim and leviathan should both have another effect packed in there.
the only REAL use i know for mother transformation is to use knife in beast fight. But it's still not very great, because beast hitbox isn't static, and you need to know when to go away from it to not get hit.