Isabella of France, Queen of England 

I love Lindsay's videos too! I've also wanted a video about Isabela. Another video I think would be be interesting is a video about Vlad The Impaler (Dracula) or a video about Queen Elizabth ii great-grandchildren, cuz Lindsay did the queens children and grandchildren.

YESS! I’m so excited too! Praise her!

@@jamescharcoal3472 thyroid fever was nice wasn't it?

I've been bugging shamelessly bugging Lindsey about videos on the 2 "She-Wolfs of France" (Isabella and Margaret d'Anjou, Henry the 6ths wife) I'm SO grateful, I never understood why Isabella was considered a "she-wolf" although Margaret of Anjou I can kinda see why she would be considered...She-Wolfy (is that a word? Lol) It seems more like Isabella was less of a 'she-wolf' and just genuinely tried to rule her kingdom. Edward II was more like a "He-Lamb" lol of England. Isabella gets a bad rap that is most def undeserved in my opinion. Also it sounds like The Third Reich lifted/copied Edward's persecution of Jews complete with forcing them to wear the Star of David on their clothes then blaming,persecuting, banishing, murdering and stealing from them🤤 😓😔 Thank you Lindsay SO much for these videos !! Perhaps videos explaining the Cousins War/Wars of The Roses next??? Maybe ? Please pretty please🤞

@@bookedinthehead Me too!! Her videos are my ASMR videos, but also extremely educational

She was pretty useless herself unlike Catherine. She lasted three years before her son put her on house arrest for 20 years because her and Mortimer weren’t very capable themselves. Her greatest contribution to England was pushing Edward III out her vagina quite literally. But hey, at least her son didn’t kill her like her lover even though she betrayed him for her lover. Even though she was a backstabbing bitch the son still loved her I guess or maybe letting her live after killing the man she betrayed him for was an even better punishment than death 😈

Unfortunately not. Catherine was very accomplished. Reason: Catherine got rid of her husband much sooner as she had the help of many noble boyfriends and she knew well how to use them. True, Isabella still was quite impressive.

Literally tho

Useless is better than destructive. It would have been better for millions of people including my own if she had never been born.

Isabella of France Me 🤝 TFG

Poor girl that queen.

ROFL

sounds like england had 3 quens

I know crazy right! I guess life expectancy wasn't that long so they started everything very young. Sad no childhood

@@haydeecolon7868 ... and yet, somehow, she held herself together, her head held high, and managed to do the best that she could, for herself, and for the people that she ruled. I truly have no pity for her poor excuse of a "Husband", & I was glad when he was disposed of. I know that things didn't altogether turn out as she had planned, but, in later years, she seemingly made up for it. Even the best-intentioned people can be led astray, and do evil, but if they turn aside from their evil, make things right with God, and go back to doing good, then that person's life is still not in vain. She was definitely a very strong Woman, and a very strong Queen!

One of my ancestors spent a year in the tower of London for assaulting this queen. I like to think she was dragged away screaming "worth it".

@@nemeceka Damn... that's wild!! Very cool that you know that though, & I'm sure she was definitely thinking "Worth it" 😉

True! In the attempt to disgrace her they made her sound an even greater bad ass 😬

Lol what were Christopher marlowe and Shakespeare thinking when they decide to call her like that XD

Agreee

Yeah. Been that upset but couldn't afford a 10 month break.

Lol yeah I can't afford that 10month break so I just go to my local bar have two beers and a dirty martini and come back home with a smile and happy face lol 🤣🤣

I imagine that some people get so mad, that they take off, in order to cool off...and never return to the people that made them mad in the first place! Been there, done that, and I'm not one bit sorry for walking away from an impossible person, and an impossible situation! It happens!

Maybe her pilgrimage around England wasn't just to get some fresh air. It would have been a good excuse to get in touch with enemies of her husband, and try to work up some support to overthrow him.

I left for 2 months once

If it was me with my anger issues , i would do that

Yeah too bad she was emotionally abusive towards her son and betrayed him for her lover. But I guess that’s why Mortimer ended up dead and she ended up on house arrest for 20 years. “Fair son, have pity on gentle Mortimer!” 😂 🤣 the great she wolf on her knees begging a teenager. Her and Mortimer were just as incapable rulers as Edward II. Her greatest contribution to England was laying on her back and pushing Edward III out her vagina.

@@imasimpforalbedoandidontknowhy love your username btw lol

@@AstarionWifey thank you

Ikr!!! This woman was cunning and fascinating, and she was a good mother too, her children loved her. Admirable how she kept it all together in terrible circumstances she was put in and knew how to play her cards right.

Edward II: Fine. I'll do it a few years. Edward I: *sigh* I'll take it *dies*

Edward: But my boyfriend is back in town

😂😂😂

@@Kittykat81572 my boyfriend’s back and he is cooler than ever

YEAH!!!!

Yes 🙌

Oooooooor don't treat a Ally like garbage that she/he takes over your kingdom

Her young son was a pawn. The nobles aligned behind the young son and Queen Isabella. However a q3 year old was going to ruling Engkand only in name.

Definetly! This Woman had more guts and strength in the tip of her little pinky, than her so-called "Husband" had in his entire body!

a lot more* lol

Not like photoshop now, eh?

Best we can do are those facial reconstructions. Those are fascinating to me.

@@roove1537 They ARE pretty awesome. And a really skilled artist? They do such a bang up job. It would be so cool if the Royal family would just let them all be reconstructed. Then we would REALLY know what say, Isabella and Edward II looked like. A history geeks dream. Oh well.

So are filters..

She was a lucky one

agree

Very rare for the time.

She made sure they didn't. She took control.

@@jamieyoho2310 if God says it's your time to die, then no amount of "human control" can stop that.

She endured everything until they went after her kids. U dont mess with a mother.

She had kind of a happy ending.

@@jamieyoho2310 That's what I was thinking.

No one could blame her, I sure wouldn't have!

Yeah, they got between a mother bear and her cubs; sealed Eddie's fate. I can understand a lot of what Isabella did. She got stuck in an arranged loveless marriage with a loser. She's smart, learned, beautiful and probably more. Her dad and brother were among the richest, most powerful men in the world. What's such a woman going to do when a guy she actually digs shows up in the ballroom on Friday night in Paris. I get it, Isabella.

she is goals

Part of the Stars Series. They already did the The White Queen,The White Princess, The Spanish Princess, and I think Catherine The Great, so they might as well do her too.

@@Cantetinza17 she’s already been done in ken Follett’s “A world without end” it’s begins when Edward iii is a grown man but Isabella is made out a right scheming bitch

@@lyndsaycrawford Oh great! I will see if I can find it and watch it. Thank you.

the movie Braveheart is like half this story lol

@@lexophile9667 I’m Scottish & Braveheart is a good movie to get the auld patriotic juices flowing but it’s extremely inaccurate. One example; Princess Isabella would’ve been 10yrs old & never sent to discuss terms. If she was, the Scots would’ve kidnapped her & had supreme negotiating powers. But that’s only one of many. The battles happened but differently.

Neither does Catherine of Aragon, wife of Henry viii. For example Queen Catherine led a battle against the Scots and won. The pope gave her the title in her own right as Defender of the Faith.

Yeah the Third Reich basically just lifted and copied Edward 2's whole...murderous, genocidal, and cruel "policy" regarding those of the Jewish race

Actually it was a common thing in the Middle Age to force the Jews to wear marks to identify them. It was not unusual. Besides, it isn't true that Edward I used the Jews as a scapegoat. Yes, he expelled them, but doing so he was following the trend common to Europe at that time.

Lots of places marked Jews and expelled them from cities, they had different laws apply to them when it came to professions and money and hence were unwelcome as outsiders

I'd like to know where these sources are from. Bibliography? 🤔...be an interesting read..

They stole the swastika too.

Hello Her Majesty Queen Mary of Scots

Hello your majesty, it’s me, I think it’s official royal mediator Kaiya. Your video is coming soon right? Congratulations!!!!🎉

@@speedy806 Hello Speedy! Greetings from Scotland!

@@SungSNam Hi there Kaiya! Yes, Lindsey told me that my video is coming very soon. I can't wait to find out rumors about me. 😂

@@maryqueenofscots2511 yeah, I don’t know too much about you so I’m eager to learn more!

@@KezzDaddy I was thinking that to, but I thought of Cersei cause of the Lover and murdering the husband part

isn't cersei based more on margaret of anjou?

No no cercei is evil, queen Isabella only did the right thing for Her, Her son and the people 🙏🏻

Visenya Targaryen? Or maybe a successful Rhaenyra Targaryen?

@@trueblueedits4673 okay yes! I totally forgot about Visenya. She was my favourite of the three too 😂

Same! I hacked into his account. ;)

He might be my grandson and all, but I must say, would’ve been fun to watch

I just want to fight him, but he’s not showing his ugly face. But if I had permission from my queen Catherine of Aragon, I would gladly lead a crusade to punch Henry and make him pay for all the bad stuff he did, especially to her majesty Catherine of Aragon and the other wives.

@@SungSNam Do it.

@@ianbat7092 OH YEAH! OH YEAH! I HAVE HER MAJESTIES PERMISSION! SO NOW I CAN LEAD A CRUSADE TO FIGHT HENRY! (Dances)

I love that idea. Thats how I would end the movie lol

Definitely think it was her idea of hell for him. Hell hath no fury... well you know how it goes 😆

I think it was her version of hell for him. Personally speaking, I don't see this move as a sign of her affection for him. More like, I hold your heart captive so no one else can.

The ultimate power move

@@margaretlavender9647 thanks for calling this out.

How is she usually portrayed?

@@AmyHoldaway27 she’s often portrayed as a power hungry schemer.

@@toddbonin6926 ohhhh, I see

True stories usually are anyways.

Brave Heart

She’s one of the main heroines in Braveheart

Actually, in France they made two versions of TV series the books of Maurice Druon The Accursed Kings, in which Isabella is one of the main protagonists, it covers her life from the age of 21 to the moment when she was overthrown by her son. You can find these series with English subtitles.

When you said that Isabella expected her marriage would be like that of her parents', I couldn't help thinking she was just born a generation too late. Edward I was very much like Isabella's father, a strong ruler with an iron fist and also completely devoted to his wife...

vive la France .

She didn’t usurp him for her son. Her son would have become king regardless. She usurped him for herself which is why after parliament agreed on a council to rule with the king, she basically ignored it and became regent and ruled with her lover and used her son as a pawn. And that’s why she was imprisoned for 20 years and that’s why her lover who said he was more important than the king was executed. She literally could care less about her son. Too bad he wasn’t as weak as his father. She’d have executed Mortimer herself if she cared about her son. The guy literally said his word was more important than the kings. Instead she was conspiring with him to arrest Montagu for telling Edward what Mortimer said. You people are delusional about who this woman was. She used her son as a pawn to seize power. She never cared about her son. He just ended up being far stronger and more competent than his father OR mother and she paid for it with her lover and freedom.

@@nomercy3195 Well now I know why your username is what it is. 1. "You people"..? Okay, then. 2. Yes. His son would have become King but AFTER the elder Edward's death. She deposed him before his death which is considered a usurpation. Furthermore, it wasn't outlandish for the mother of the heir to rule as regent while her son was in his minority. The council gave her no reason whatsoever to trust them because they failed her and England on numerous occasions to do anything to put Edward in check. 3. No one is deluded about her, she was a strong women in a world ruled by men who had the audacity not to just be a baby making machine. Did she have any faults? Yes. There are aspects about her that can be considered highly manipulative and yet also demonised for not being a subservient, obedient wife. Calm down, sir ✋️

@@areiaaphrodite Give me a break. No she shouldn’t have ruled as regent after parliament literally agreed to making Edward II step down that there would be a council of clergymen and nobles to co-rule with Edward III. She simply didn’t care because she was as incompetent as Edward II in reality and did what ever she wanted. That’s why she only lasted three years before everyone was fine with Edward III imprisoning her and killing Mortimer because they were trash. No she wasn’t strong. She used her sons claim and the already long existing discontent with Edward II from the time of Galveston to his favoritism of the Despenser family. Once again why her and Mortimer were crushed easily within three years. And sorry but her conspiring with Mortimer to arrest Montagu after Mortimer told him he’s more important than the king aka HER son. Quite literally says everything that could be said about the power hungry bitch and how her son was nothing but a tool to her. Problem is he wasn’t as weak as his father or her and Mortimer.

@@nomercy3195 Riiiiiiight... yep, careful, your misogyny is showing. You and I have no further conversation/debate to be had. Good day.

It’s a great movie to get the auld patriotic juices flowing but very historically inaccurate it’s actually a disgrace the way they portray the Bruce as a traitor

I hate that movie. Another mega-ego trip for Mel Gibson, like the "Patriot."

Yup, I agree

fer sher

Parcast has a good podcast about her on Spotify. Its in their dictators series

@@foreverchasingsky8976 i dont use spotify for podcasts. Im avle to know better were im at on youtube. Besides i prefere documenteries on youtube

You can watch Dan Jones series on the Plantagenets, episode 2

Why

@@cyndicherrelle4715 because he was awful

@@AmbyJeans well he’s still gay and apart of your community soooo ....

🤣🤣🤣

@@cyndicherrelle4715 Do you want to claim all the women of history? I don't. Respect the meaning of the statement.

😂

It could make a captivating mini series!

who were the main English and Scottish kings in braveheart?

Right!

@@obsessivefangirl5055 King Edward I of England aka Longshanks and King Robert the Bruce before he was crowned to be the king of Scotland after William Wallace was executed. U gotta watch The Outlaw King on Netflix. It was like part 2 of Braveheart & it was really good. ❤✌🏾

Thanks for sharing..At least something good bonds the 2 lovers after all.

I am what many would call “a country girl” here in the Appalachian Mountains. I used to pick bugs off runner bean with my great grandfather and know how to deal with sheep and pigs, as well as cows stalled in the road. I watched my great grandmother behead a chicken we later ate for Sunday dinner. As it would turn out, when my aunt did family history, I am a descendent of Margaret Pole, a cousin of Henry 8th and daughter of George of York (the younger brother of Edward IV and older brother of Richard III)! Many say her father and brother should have been the legitimate King, as perhaps Edward IV may have a product of an affair by his mother (🤷‍♀️) and a soldier. Edward IV and Queen Elizabeth Woodville were her Aunt or Uncle (maybe). All of THIS was after Edward may have killed her father-his brother George York, Duke of Clarence (and her mother died). Her father kept trying to claim the throne (because Edward was supposedly illegitimate). He eventually got locked in The Tower and died. They SAY Margret’s father (George) was drowned in a vat of Malmsey wine (to piss off his sister in law). Her maternal Grandfather was Edward Plantagenet’s (Edward IV) older cousin (and helped put Henry IV on the throne during The War of the Roses and was known as a “King Maker”). Anyhow, had the illegitimate stuff been true... or proven (Edward IV not been legitimate, she would have been daughter/sister of the King and, because of her brother’s mental disability, her sons would have likely been his heirs. And she, perhaps, been his caretaker (her uncle Richard would have been his Regent). I know that there is enough evidence (of it being a rumor with the possibility of being true) that Tony Robinson did a special on it. He turned up on the door step of some guy in Australia telling him he was the rightful King of England (which is a major stretch). That guy is a distant cousin who lives in a middle class neighborhood a world away. Meanwhile, I grew up in a tiny town, worked my butt off to keep my scholarship to a public University here in America and teach Cherokee (Native American) kids...English Language and English History of all things (instead of going to Oxford or The University of Wales to study Medieval Studies ironically enough). Weird I would be so interested in that period (the War of the Ross and The Tudors) before I even knew the information. It was a dream of mine in college to do my Masters in Medieval History. The words I got from my family (when I brought it up) are “how are you going to afford that, we aren’t royalty.” This was not long before my aunt did family history 😂😂😂). 🤦🏼‍♀️. I haven’t let them forget it, either! Oh well. I love teaching “my kids.” Margret was executed by Henry VIII for trumped up charges-it was mainly for her being Plantagenet when she was a very old lady (and harmless). A younger son of a one of her ancestors (probably a younger son of a younger son of a noble) came to Virginia to make his way. Eventually one of his younger great great grandsons ended up here in the mountains. Henry VIII had no direct ancestors (legitimately) and yet Margret had 100s, if not 1000s, so take that your raving misogynistic narcissist , Henry!

@@MountainPearls Edward IV was not illegitimate, that was just a smear campaign so Richard iii could usurp the crown from his nephew. Richard Neville was the earl of Warwick the kingmaker that helped put Henry vi & Edward iv on the throne. That was the older cousin. There’s no way Cecily Neville had an affair, Richard duke of York was a proud man he wouldn’t have raised his wife’s bastard or left him everything in his will. It’s honestly a stupid rumour.

@@lyndsaycrawford It's not a rumor. There is some evidence behind the claim that Edward was illegitimate. Richard, Duke of York, was away on campaign and nowhere near Cecily when Edward would have been conceived. It's recorded in a register in Rouen Cathedral.

@@BabeeCocoa249 You cannot take a persons DOB & count 9months back & get their conception date. Doctors can’t even do that now, taken into consideration a pregnancy is anything between 37-42 weeks with babies arriving early & late all the time. Also those making the claim ignore that Pontoise the town Richard of York was laying siege to was only 57 miles from Rouen, where his headquarters in Rouen where his wife was living. In fact Cecily followed Richard everywhere. That’s the reason Therefore, Anne, Margaret, and Richard were born in England, Edward, Edmund, and Elizabeth were born in France, and George was born in Ireland. There was nothing sinister in this; the births of their children followed the Duke’s career.

Who wrote The Cursed King series? I never heard of it. I’m a total dork, and always on the lookout for new books. Thank you for your help and time.😎👍

@@ChibiProwl It's by Maurice Druon; it's a French series, although all the volumes have been translated into English. It was written in the 1960s, so it is a bit dated now (both in terms of historical accuracy & just trope-wise in general; there's stuff we know now we didn't know in 1960, & there's stuff we knew in 1960 that Druon ignored anyway). It's main 'claim-to-fame' these days is as one of the chief inspirations of George RR Martin's 'A Song of Ice & Fire' fantasy novels (adapted into the better-known Game of Thrones TV show). I've read the 1st vol. or 2. It's alright; you can definitely see where Martin got Cersei & Tywin Lannister (plus a hint of Stannis Baratheon). I've since become disillusioned w/ ASOIAF (both the show & the books) so I'm not sure if I'd recommend it; Accursed Kings is really similar. Portrayal of women is... kinda iffy. It plays the whole 'Tour de Nesle' affair completely straight, for ex.

@@jeandehuit5385 Thank you! I might check it out anyway.

@@ChibiProwl Cursed Kings is a series of books about french kings by Maurice Druon

Another fun fact: Isabella of Castile also had Anglo-Saxon blood in her veins, from King Alfred the Great, one of the greatest English kings ever, through her direct descent from Edmund Ironside.

@Sasha Johbson sorry when I commented this people with names like Mary 1, Catherine howard , Catherine of aragon etc had commented things

@@magdizh2262 you also forgotten abt me now

@@avxlk I’m very sorry but dont take it personally, I also forgot Aethelred the unready

@@magdizh2262 no worries it’s not like my head is going to chase you around .

@@avxlk lmaoo!😂

William Wallace got his justice!

@@cyndicherrelle4715 Even though there was no justice for William Wallace to have.

"Les Rois Maudits"

TV series? Do u have 80 years old ?

@Cordelia Thompson yeah I agree, she was only 12 at the time, and she was somewhat okay with her husbands first lover, the second one was evil and did unspeakable things to her. And on top of that, Edward abused her many many times with the intent on making her weak and controllable. Good for her for taking revenge and standing up for herself and her children!

I think it was Edward fault for his taste for "bad boys" (basically a narcissist and a sociopath) and being a incompetent at his job. If he had some basic respect for Isabella, has better taste on men and try to rule fe would have died of old age in the throne

No he was a bad king. You can be gay or whatever and be a good person and leader. He was all about himself.

@@annstillwell730 Exactly! Frederick of Prussia was gay and is remembered as "the Great" for a reason, and at least let his wife has her own life. Alexander the Great was gay and create the biggest Empire of his time in ten years and defeated super power as Persia and Egypt. Philippe of Orleans (Louis XIV's brother) was gay, a very flamboyant gay, and he did such a great job in battle that his brother felt threatened and prohibited him another army for the rest of his life, has a great relationship with his second wife, and loved all his children. Hell even James VI was a competent monarch and even is he had a rocky relationship with his wife, it wasn't even a 10% of all the crap that Isabella went through. Edward was a self centered emotional idiot that only thinked with his second head and had not regards for other people.

I'm sorry for Edward that he was gay in a time when it was hard to be gay, and being born a crown prince when that clearly wasn't his natural skill set. But other than that, No. He was self-centered, foolish, and cruel. And has been said elsewhere: Had he been a better, kinder man, and been willing to listen to better advisors, he could have had his lover and still been a beloved king. Other men were able to do so.

She murdered her husband and tried to usurp her son who was the rightful heir to throne.

Unfairly?. She murdered her husband.

Yep!

Hello self

@@anneboleyn5940 hello :)

@@avxlk hows your neck feeling

@Lettice Knollys why hello!

@@anneboleyn5940 omg it’s been so sore lately

Not strange at all; she was born the youngest of 4 children of Philip IV of France. She had 3 elder brothers who lived to adulthood; there was no need for everyone to keep their eye on her, as there was absolutely no expectation she or her descendants could ever succeed to the throne of France. Mind you, record of her birth was probably made somewhere; the document was just lost. It wasn't *widely* recorded since, as I said, her birth was not expected to be any great event.

Even Henry 8 had an uncertain birthdate being only the second son. You can see the crossing outs in her bible as his grandmother Margaret Beaufort wracked her brain trying to remember the date, after the heir prince Arthur died.

@@lynnebarnes3840 Yes, I had forgotten that little detail! One thing I'll add on, now that I remember, is that the English Barons did not keep particularly good track of their birth-years. Birth-days, perhaps, since they were celebrated annually (the anniversary on which one had been born, howevermany years in the past that was). For ex, we know Margaret Beaufort's birth-day, (the 31st of May), but not the exact year in which it happened (best guess is either 1441 or 1443). The reasons for this varies; one is the old-style/new-style debate. In England, it used to be dates were reckoned in the 'old-style' (the New Year began on March 25); while later on the 'new-style' was adopted (w/ the New Year beginning on Jan 1). Sometimes if you see 2 different birth-dates, it's b/c one person has converted the 'old-style' date into the 'new-style' & one person has kept the 'old-style' date intact. The other reason is that how old you were wasn't actually that important, all things considered. What *was* important was being of legal age; if an heir to an estate was not of-age, then they could not marry; wardships & guardianships had to be settled; who collected the rent on that land until the heir came of age had to be determined, etc. However, once you actually came 'of age' there was no real reason to keep track of your age anymore. Once you were of age, you could marry as you pleased, own land, etc. There were no 'retirement benefits' in the Medieval period, so adding more years on that number didn't provide any benefit. Thus, many ppl. simply lost track of their ages. If their guardians & close family attested that they were of-age, then that was all that mattered, legally-speaking.

@@jeandehuit5385 Perhaps that is partly why Debretts came into being, to keep track of the peerage and keep it be all in order. They used to send my mother letters asking for the names be and dates of new additions to the family, way out here in the colonies, NewZealand. They stopped writing, weather it was because she didn't respond or because it's all so much easier with computers and more efficient record keeping me now, I don't know.

They called her a wolf because back then wolves were seen as traitorous, conniving, greedy and, in the case of she-wolves, promiscuous. It certainly wasn’t a compliment. It was the equivalent of calling someone a manipulative lying whore, which is a reputation that she didn’t deserve but nevertheless she had

Hey ! ;-) No Queen of France was ever titled "consort". They were just "Queen".

Because she doesn’t deserve sympathy. She supported her lover over her son. Mortimer very clearly told Montagu that his word was more important than the king HER SON. And what does she do? Does she punish Mortimer? Does she leave Mortimer for threatening her sons rule? No she conspires with Mortimer to arrest Montagu because she saw her son the same way Mortimer did, as a pawn for their little love nest to rule. Well unfortunately for her Edward III wasn’t Edward II. You people just want to feminist wash history and pretend she was this great ruler and strong woman. She used her sons claim and the already existing discontent over Edward II’s favoritism of the Despenser family which basically had people coming out in droves to support her sons claim, NOT HERS. Her son did nothing to deserve her betrayal and he was a better leader than her, her husband or Mortimer put together. If Mortimer and her had a son I guarantee she’d have tried to put her bastard on the throne.

@@nomercy3195 As soon as you said "You people just want to feminist wash history" I knew polite debate would be thrown out the window. Me, a feminist? You think I'm crazy enough to think women are equal to men? Haha, you're having a laugh. No. I feel sorry for her due to how badly she was treated by her husband despite the children she bore him (and by doing so suffered pain and risked her life) she even risked her life for him on other occassions for political reasons. She was by all means a loyal and obediant wife to a husband who had forsaken her for many years, only to suffer indignation at his hands, and betrayal. Of course I'll have sympathy for her. And if she's bad for taking a lover, then so are all kings who did the same, including Edward II.

@@marinatebbenham4011 No Mercy, you should show a touch more mercy. I'm with you, Marina. See my comment above in the Elvia R section.

One would hope that she found love & respect with Roger Mortimer

@@calvinhobbesgatsby6869 so do I... I think she did...

being a fuckboy instead of ruling a country didn't help tho

No one at the time seemed to care that he liked boys. The problem was not only was he a shity king, but treated Isabella like a cow to be breed, sexually, emotional, and mentally abused her with his boy friends. He very well could have had a healthy relationship with Isabelle if he had chosen to. But a way from that. Sexuality matter in monarchs.

He just gave his boy toy waaaaay too much power.