UPDATE: small editing error in the Fire King decklist in the beginning... It should have been the list from the challenger series past season; so OCG with Maxx "C" (as you see in the replays)... My mistake..! ^_^ Deck announcement video TOMORROW! So suggestions for decklists etc. keep those for then! Stay safe! =D
Yep, at-will Abysss Dweller Access and a full Shuffler package are still too much for anyone not on similarly broken stuff(i.e. Mystic Mine, Necrovalley, their OWN Ishizu package) to this day.
Personally i think ishizu tear should stay as like a "challenger" for challeneger appears. If it was a tournament mainstay i think it would trivialaize the entire tournament unfortunately.
What's crazy is that the deck is even nerfed playing the dated TCG version, while Snake Eyes gets to play Maxx C. An updated Ishizu Tear would be playing S:P and likely would be playing a Diabellstar package too. I mean, no reason not to have a preferred level 7 XYZ to go with Tear Kash. Expurrely Happiness for example would be a pretty sweet choice for a powerhouse deck to use for its DRNM like effect.
That made clear that Ishizu Tear should not be in the CBC as a normal contender because we would have a winner for the tournament even before it starts.
If full power kash is in there they might be able to clutch vs them, but only if they win the die roll. And even then I'd favor ishizu tear and kash would literally be the only deck that has somewhat of a chance vs them.
@@cansan9403 even if u go first you probably have chances to lose to tear, tear has orange light, kashtear, havnis in your turn to interrupt and play "our turn" while you only have shifter to stop them
@@cansan9403 While I get putting IshTear with other decks that can counter it to an extent like Kash & Floo so it has a hard time in the cup but I think it’s redundant. We know they’d win the cup and pairing with anti tear decks to try and give them a challenge then why not just not include instead of stacking the odds against them. Also if they win anyways then there’s the rest of the cup where they’d steamroll
Exactly, no deck in history can outgrind Tear, its recovery power is basically infinite, while the shufflers simply destroy the grind game of every other decks at the same time
@@lhv2kI non-ironically did it a few times on plunder patroll. You basically had to banish every fusion they had, it certainly wasn't something you did often but it was possible. 6 shufflers could be used up in a game as well.
@@shawnjavery You'd probably need to be on Soul Release and targeting multiple shufflers each time to get rid of those annoyances for good. Trying to steal them with stuff like Shark Cannon and Autonomous Action Unit also works wonders at forcing them out, and if they allow you to resolve those you can force banish them when summoned to target cards YOU want out of the GY. I experimented with Ishizu Striker in Master Duel and that did surprisingly well during their stint with Ishizu Tear, but the difference there is Engage was at 2 and some of the Tear cards were pre-hit enough to make other attempts at using Ishizu cards(which came BEFORE Tearlaments was out in THAT metagame) viable and even fun to play during that time.
I mean it’s not unexpected. One of the better side deck cards against Fire King snake eyes was soul release and keldo and mudora are functionally quick play versions of that card.
The difference of a true revolutionary Tier 0 deck, that by itself detroyed everything else in every format TCG, OCG to MD by a landslide, against all other decks at full power. A deck that still performs at high level despite getting murdered in banlist with many banned and limited cards. Versus an overhyped "tier 0" deck, that at full power still need to rely heavily on the combined "Fire decks" nonsense, and even then still couldn't reach T0 as a whole, while by itself never take more than 36% in OCG, despite most other deck got nerfed to the ground by banlist. Funny thing is, this match is unfair to begin with, as FK was using MaxxC while Tear didn't, but even that couldn't save it from the huge powerlevel difference. Not to mention, this is not even the best Tear build, as they had bricks like Bystials against a Fire deck, while also not having Tear Kash, a big support, and not having new staple like S:P as well. If Tear still exists today at full power, all these Fire decks and Snake Eyes won't even be Rogue, they'd be casual tier at best, because only toxic Shifter Floodgate decks would stand a chance.
The fun thing is how insane Power of the Elements format was considering that Spright would also clear Snake-eyes with 0 problems if elf and toad get unbanned today, Spright with SP toad elf and Sprind would be so fun to play.
tearlaments is far far stronger of course, but with the azamina cards as well as the fiendsmith engine i dont think its status as tier 0 can be contended anymore
yes lets add a tier 0 mega threat that will just dominate any deck across all yugioh's history. may as well just rename the series to "how many turns can i survive against ishizu tear"
There are decks that can take matches from them, there even were multiple in ishtear's own format Fire king having 3 different types of destruction removal and largely playing out of the gy means they aren't one of those decks
People complaining on maxx c even when the cockroach is not enough against the strongest deck ever created 😂. On a serious note, this deck should not be included in the cup, the danger build is the decent one so other decks still have a chance to compete.
Nah, Even Danger Tearlaments is Unrivaled honestly. It only lost to getting VFD'ed 3 times. And if you played Virtual World format, You would understand how OP that card really is
tearlament was like the old guy in anime training with the promising youngin, kid stood no chance but the old guy pretended to be in pain from his progress "oh damn, you almost got me there, i need to be more careful"
tear not playing amazing but still crushing it, also tear should be maxed out in every category, theres no other deck in the games history which even comes close to competing with it, if it doesnt have the highest scores what does?
Yeah, Fire King has the potential to be a Tier 0 deck, Tearlaments was THE Tier 0 deck and is easily one of the game’s strongest decks, if not the strongest of all. I don’t even like Tear, but I can’t deny its strength and how it will remain infamous.
I believe shizu Tearlaments has succeeded in the extraordinary feat of making the entire Yu-gi-oh community agree as the GOAT, with practically zero weaknesses
@@averageguyonyoutube3324Yup. But i still think that most of thr job is done by the Ishizu. Tearlaments would be a "normal" deck if they didn't have those ...things?
@@feniceazzurra7168 lol tell that to the still tiered tearlaments deck in MD that has 2 shufflers and 2 fusion monsters. Tearlaments was already arguably the best deck before the ishizu cards came out, they just shot them past the stratosphere
Suggestion: Add a wildcard system for the most broken decks as they should be part of the cross banlist cup, as it would be nasty for their groupmates if they would be in normal groupphase. E.g. 4 of the most broken decks in history each on a different side of the topcut bracket. (Maybe combine it with a prestige ladder like last year how many they can win in a row.)
@@rueblie2627 I mean that those decks still also compete in the main competition as well but after the weaker decks have been weeded out after the group phase.
Lithium i really hope the contender for 2023 slot are from Labryinth and Rescue Ace because it's a staple tier 1 in ocg and tcg for almost half or more of the 2023.
The funny thing is Tearlaments Ishizu isn't tier 0 in OCG, it was tier 0.5 on par with Spright Buster Lock. Tearlaments Kashtira was the true tier 0 in the format of full power Kashtira from October 2023 (based on the reports Road of the King). I hope we can see Tearlaments Kashtira in action in the next CBC.
Bystials got limited, and Kashtira, the deck that was supposed to be very counter of Tear, had some of its cards joining Tearlaments instead lol. Even that Tear deck variant didn't play Ishizu at all.
You're always leaving out the best deck if you leave out Ishizu Tear, so I think it should definitely be in. Even if you already know it's likely to win the whole thing, 2nd place is 2nd place. You have to put some variant of Tear in the tournament, and any other version is just watered down. We knew watching that Danger Tear was always easily weaker, with a lack of consistency thanks to what the Danger cards are.
The point is it should simply be added in the actual bracket later on. Having it in groups means that no matter what one group pretty much doesn't matter since the likelihood of it not being first seed is practically 0.
After watching this a few times I have to say, as insane as tear is, one can’t deny the fact that fire king had a pretty bad match up post side since unlike modern day builds of the deck, there aren’t any bystials. Also the build has improved as time goes on. It would be interesting to see what would happen if we do a more modern day tcg fire king vs tcg tear. I’m still expecting tear to win but it might be more interesting than what we saw.
If this isn’t proof ishizu tear is the most broken deck in the games history then I don’t know what will. The was a straight sacrifice of the current best deck.
Definitely think Ishizu Tear should be in the CBC at least once and this would be a great year. What does it take for the deck to lose? That's the question I'm curious about. Does it have a bad matchup across Yugioh's best decks from all time? Having it yearly (especially if it stomps) wouldn't make sense, but I think it deserves at least one run
My bad, with all the files I added the wrong picture in here… Yes, this Fire King Snake-Eyes list is the same one as the challenger one (OCG-Maxx C in main deck)
Not surprising, it’s a horrible matchup for Fire King Snake-Eye since Tear cards float when popped and the Ishizu cards completely disrupt Fire King’s game plan while Fire King has a very limited set of tools to counter Tear in return. Turn 0 plays, Dweller, and stuff like Super Poly only made it more one-sided.
Wow it's almost like I predicted it perfectly. It turns out when you can run multiple far better and more consistent versions of Soul Release which already blows out Snake Eyes you slaughter them 3 games in a row.....
I think fire is actually tier 0 right now. Its just so expensive people cant afford to play it or don't want to. But Ishizu Tear was just next level It could be cool to add Ishizu Tear to the crossban list cup but I feel like it will just win.
it's so weird thinking back that tear 0 being around the mid $300 range was pricing people out of the game and nowadays that's less than the sinful spoil engine or the bonfire playset to be used in a tier 0 deck that is demonstrably so much worse
If anyone says tear was pricing them out of the game they are just wrong tbh. It wasn't even the most expensive deck during its formats lol Most rogue decks were more expensive at that time because Tear used very little staples/handtraps.@@Carlet_S
it really is interesting. both of these decks are way beyond the other decks of their format and despite tear being still massively better than fire king is that format way more fun to play. fire king feels like it just cheats you out of the game with how it can go from 0 cards in hand to full combo and then some just from the spell grave effects not even talking that you can use both effects in the same turn when that just isn't how card design worked up to this point. tear is maybe strong and a mill deck but it feels more that you loose to being worse than your opponent.
Dont know if possible/good idea, but I would like to see a "fantasy" deck type of tournament, or appear as a challenger.. Theoretical good decks that cant happen due to the banlist or erratas. Like, I dunno, full power Dragon Rulers with modern cards, or something like that. Just an idea.
I just love how people at my locals talk about snake eyes doing what not to tears when they didn't even play a single event while they were around. I stopped playing Yugioh the next format and the only deck I ever felt was as empowering in any sort of competitive manner for me was dragon ruler. Next is probably zoodiac but never really felt like too much of a zoo player if not with metalfoes or some dumb pendulum variant. 😂
Chaos……Tele DAD…….Dragon Rulers…….Spellbooks……Nekroz……PePe…..Zoodiac……Adamancipators……Ishizu Tear…..*insert next deck that powercreeps them all* The cycle never ends…Expect it happening within the next 2 - 3 years 🔥
They would definitely win the cup and eliminate any element of surprise. It would be still fun to see which decks even cause them a bit of struggle (probably just floodgates going first)
The only deck in history that can compete with tear is probably full power dlink with all it's custom cards unbanned such as agarpain, elpy, chaos ruler and eclipse wyvern.etc...