@@GoldenRose116 Mary eventually developed some class for Edith near the end of the final season, but at this point she was still spiteful and insulting.
@@GoldenRose116 Honestly, I lost whatever respect I had left for Mary as a result of her actions in this episode and the episode before. Even if she does show kindness to characters like Anna and Carson, it doesn't change the fact that she's a bully to Edith.
From what Lord Merton has said about his former wife/mother of his children, she was a piece of work. Pretty sure she was quite snobbish. Lord Merton said it. "The boys take after their mother in every possible way."
"Larry Grey has spoken to Mrs Crawley in a manner that in any other century would have resulted in him being called out and shot!" Dowager Countess Violet
Theres no group quite like the upper crust British that can take a crushing insult with the proper decorum. White people then were hysterical to watch now. In my Italian family we'd be coming across the table.
Did I miss something in another episode? Did Julian Fellowes ever give the horrid sonsbof Lord Merton their well deserved comeuppance? Sure hope so. 0:15
and how sad in Downton Abbey New Era film, Lady Merton (Isobel) sad & crying for Dowager Countess death😢.. even with their differences, they actually are soul mates to each other.
Lord Merton: “The boys take after their mother, in every possible way.” Now that’s a window into his previous marital and family life; it sounds like it was hellish. C’est dommage. Isobel will be a lovely and refreshing change.
After Larry's nasty dig at Marigold and Edith, she ends up marrying a Marquis who loves her and Marigold as well and elevates both above Larry's station.
That was actually Tim, the younger son who made the comment about Edith. Mary said much the same thing about Edith to Tom in a later episode, just not quite as nastily.
@@brt5273😂 he didn't have a problem with Edith at all, he just thought she already have a slim chance getting guys, now she settle her self with a child, so even slimmer chance. it was Mary who always hate Edith and can't stand being way behind her in precedence
As despicable as the character is, let's not forget to acknowledge the amazing performance by Charlie Anson here. The way he plays the character just oozes sleaze, it takes talent to make a character as thoroughly hateable as Larry is.
@@olly-kai , Neither of the brothers are "sleazy". The original poster here has used the word "sleaze" and you have picked up on it. It means something entirely different. A "sleazy" person is morally corrupt in a sexual manner. A sleazy man is one who makes unwanted sexual approaches, or looks at woman in a sexual manner. They may not DO anything offensive, but they make a woman feel uncomfortable and threatened. These two brothers are NOT sleazy. They are extremely arrogant, discriminating and prejudiced. And Larry is just plain rude to say the things that he said, at a dinner to which he had been invited, and offend almost everyone around the table, including Lady Grantham whose father was Jewish.
@@olly-kai He is the J R Ewing and Draco Malfoy of Downton. Like many other despised characters, let's admire the actor's performance and gleefully hate the character.
I can't say I've never hated a character more, but Larry certainly ranks in the top several villains in Downton Abbey. Great acting, by him and everyone.
@@reyconui Miss Bunting at least had good intentions. She was outspoken and rude, but progressive. She fought for women and education and the concept of socialism in the UK. Larry was just a stubborn, antisemitic little man child who didn’t care about anyone but himself.
Honestly a plot point I would have liked if she actually lived with him in the big house (forgot the name) and how she than lives with a diffrent life but a bit much for the last season
I believe there is just one writer: Julian Fellows. To my knowledge, he single-handedly wrote every script. I don’t know how much work goes into each one but it seems like a tremendous achievement.
Carson at 3:49 is best Carson. Yes, he is 20 times more of a traditionalist than anyone in the family, but he cares about them first and foremost. In his snobbish, hierarchical way, but undoubtedly and wholeheartedly.
Lord Merton isn't dead so I like to think once he married Isobel he at the very least left most of his fortune to her, even if he couldn't completely disinherit Larry regarding the titles and lands. And the younger brother was equally as bad, so he should've been disinherited too.
@@flyboy152 Not necessarily. It depends on whether or not the estate is entailed, which is essentially a rider on the estate that expired after a certain number of inheritors. For instance, Lord Grantham's father is the one that put the current entail on the estate. But after George's son inherits from him the entail would expire.
The gall of the other son to rush his father because poor Larry had been waiting in the car. I’d have told the snot that I would now take my sweet time and ole Larry could lump it. I’ve never seen so many upper-class people act with such utter *lack* of class than around the Crawley’s dining room table!
Let's be honest, Larry is the best portrait of the upper class. The rest of the series is a lovely fantasy about nice rich people being kind to their servants and even admitting a chauffer into the family
Mary is such clueless cold fish. " and Isobel is the grandmother of my child." Excuse me, she is your mother-in-law, the mother of your husband, and hurting even more than you are! And to leave Isobel alone in the hall after suffering such a disastrous end to a happy announcement is just cruel. She deserved embraces of compassion and encouragement at the very least and should not have been left alone at such a moment of deep shock, hurt, and humiliation. Talk about a lack of compassion!
Sne was always kind of cold and distant to Isobel. Even Matthew died not once did we hear Mary ask about Isobel or come and see her. Edith was the only family member to think of Isobel and comforted her in Isabel's time of grief. I know Mary was grieving, but she could have shown a little kindness to her mother in law.
"Grandmother of my child" meaning the grandmother of the current, living heir to Downton. Mary certainly is cold and unfeeling. But that phrase was directed at the situation before her, a discussion on social rank. Her feelings or lack thereof were not at issue at the dinner table.
That’s a stupid comment. It’s the British Stiff Upper Lip tradition. The fact that she said that she is the mother of her grandchild shows that she considers Isobel family. It would have been worse if she said “cousin” and ignored it all. Isobel also called Mary her grandson’s mother.
Yeah, I wish they had shown their wedding on-screen, too. Ah, well. I had an opportunity to visit Highclere a couple of years ago while in England. It was a real treat to visit a TV location. I've been in that library!
one of the most brilliantly written dinner scenes - although the part I admire the most is the brief blink of an eye of time where the camera quickly spotlights Carson giving Mr. Molesley the silent sign to see Lord Merton's total jerk of a son out the door
I get kids (especially adult children) have issues with stepparents but this is just nasty! And why does it matter? Larry is an adult and doesn’t have to deal with living with a stepmom. He only has to tolerate Isobel during holiday dinners.
Why didn't Lord Merton discipline his sons? It angers me that he didn't stand up for Isobel anywhere near the way he should have. And he just lets them boss him around. I enjoy him but he is a bit wet when it comes to his sons, and that's what caused poor Isobel so much grief.
"Snob" is the least of Larry's faults, but it's a start. In a better opportunity, I'm sure the Dowager Countess could trounce him into the dust with her words, like she did later on to his equally rotten fiancee.
lord merton has amazing self control with his sons....i guess his entire life he was trained not to fly off the handle "larry's been waiting in the car" "i'm just coming" doesn't reveal his true disappointment with the turn of events
He accidentally found himself engaged to the nastiest little piece of work that nature invented. Miss Cruikshanks was going to tear Larry Gray to shreds, once she got her claws in.
@@MarkT1700 , I don't think money had anything to do with it. Clarkson was a good, clever, decent, boring, impatient man who would have driven her up the wall.
@@glen7318 She was a doctor's wife before her first husband passed away. Besides, even though her position in life had improved because of her son being the heir, She didn't believe in all of that social hierarchy. She was a very down-to-earth woman. I don't think she had the feelings for Dr. Clarkson that he had for her.
Larry was deliberately nasty. The other son was tolerable until the very end, but I do believe that there is a difference. The setting was very wrong for such an introduction, especially with Larry being present with his viper's bite, and so Lord Merton set himself up for a terrible situation. Larry's brother only states the truth, they are not ready to welcome her with open arms, not because he is in opposition as Larry, who would have shot down the queen herself, but in his case due to his opposition to feeling his mother being replaced. For this reason, I see these brothers in a very different light.
It would have been rude for Lord Merton to turn down their offer to host the dinner. His sons, especially Larry, should have behaved properly. They displayed terrible manners and great disrespect for Lord and Lady Grantham. Lord Merton probably expected them to follow proper etiquette.
So two spoiled brats still tied to their dead mother’s aprons strings. Most mature adults would’ve already moved on, and been happy for their father to marry.
@@lindseybarrow3070 To a certain extent, yes. However, there are a great many mature adults that absolutely hate the idea of a parental remarriage. Yes, I agree that it is best for the children to adapt to the situation with grace and be grateful that their parent is again finding happiness with another person. But at the same time, it would not be just to deny the painful and uncomfortable feelings of watching your parent showing affection to a total stranger and living their lives together. I should hope that I would be supportive of my parents remarriage upon widowhood, but at the moment the best I would promise would be civility and decorum. Thankfully both sides of my family are known for long lives so I may not have to actually ever face such an ordeal. My point is that it is easy to be the Pharisee when we are not having to walk that mile ourselves.
L ho chiesto decine di volte......vi seguo dalla prima puntata....ho visto x anni repliche di repliche.....per favore inserite un traduttore. Baci a tutti dall Italia.
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@@kachi2782 You shouldn’t be mortified; it’s just a small mistake. Violet speaks British English; I speak American English and have difficulty catching everything that’s said.
@@themermaidstale5008 This makes matters worse ! I am British, and now an American is correcting my english. My ancestors must be turning in their graves ! This is as if Martha Levinson was correcting Violet's english, how mortifying ! Hahaha ! To my defence, I haven't lived in the UK for a few decades, spent 25 years in Japan and have been living in Switzerland for quite some time, but "slept instead of slipped" goodness ! Thank you very much for the comment, I do stand corrected. I am also very appreciative of the fact and comforted by the thought that a couple of centuries of American independence hasn't entirely annihilated the english language and obliterated the idiom into oblivion. Thanks to people like you. Happy 2022 fourth of july !
Larry's views are far more in keeping with the English upper classes of the period. They didn't like us much, and those views still prevail today. As I'm Jewish, I find Lady Sinderby's attitude to her only child's marriage to an outsider completely out of character. Her husband says her family's been in England for 800 years, and since we pass our religion on through the mother ONLY I find it incomprehensible that she would welcome a Christian as her sons wife without demanding conversion. They have stayed Jewish only by not inter marrying, yet with only one child and that a son she ignores religious law? And for those that don't know in Jewish England, Orthodoxy prevailed in matters like these. Julian Fellowes got it all wrong.
Verity, that is a really stupid thing to say about a man about whom you obviously know nothing. You are writing about a man who has NEVER breathed a word of complaint or condemnation about the paranoid, promiscuous, self-indulgent, vindicive woman he was unfortunate enough to marry. Alright for Diana, in the middle of her third or fourth affair to run to the press in 1986, to tell them that Charles had gone back to his old friend. Ok for Diana to compete with the Queen for the love and loyalty of her Subjects. Keep in mind that you have NEVER heard one single nasty word from Charles about Diana. Is he a SNOB? A man who would rather be "Defender of Faith" than "Defender of THE Faith" i.e. Christianity. A man who considers British youth to be the country's greatest asset and who, to that end , has put over a million disadvantaged young people into training and business? If ou are stupid enough to believe waht you might have seen in The Crown, then the depiction of Charles is libellous, and the depiction of Diana as a sane and reasonable is erroneous.
