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Isomorphic Chords: exploring the Deluge's keyboard 

Olivier Ozoux
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@XiXora
@XiXora 4 года назад
I'm so glad you resolved (when you didn't need to). I wouldn't be able to sleep.
@OlivierOzoux
@OlivierOzoux 4 года назад
It’s been a while. Now I don’t remember what I resolved.... hope I won’t lose sleep over it!
@XiXora
@XiXora 4 года назад
@@OlivierOzoux Ha no, it was when you got to the last interval, you played a note and moved on quickly.
@TheSpiderTube
@TheSpiderTube 6 лет назад
Wonderful graphics and explanation thank you. My Deluge has left Wellington, arrived in Sydney this morning and we are now searching for each other like lovers in the mist. It will be a blissful and long night when it gets here!
@yuriwongmusic
@yuriwongmusic Год назад
This has been immensely useful and very well presented. Thanks for sharing your knowledge in such as well-made video!
@ChanseMacabre
@ChanseMacabre 5 лет назад
Came back to this video after three months to say that I bought a Launchpad Pro (only because I try not to have interfaces that are hard-wired to synths, no knocks against the Deluge) after watching this and thinking about it for a long while. It's a bit of a curve to get used to it, but not nearly as bad as you'd think, and this video made it much easier to get my head around the isomorphic paradigm. Now I feel like I have a much more intuitive interface that allows me to more directly interact with chord shapes and music theory concepts. Thanks for making this video. :)
@soulscape5083
@soulscape5083 4 года назад
Superb selection of sound preset for demonstrating pitch concepts.
@vertigev
@vertigev 3 года назад
omg this is a life saver... Everyone is like "oh look the Deluge has a isomorphic keyboard" and I'm like, "a what?"... Thanks!
@bose5160
@bose5160 3 года назад
Greetings all. I just wanted to comment on this excellent video. As a Deluge owner who was initially overwhelmed by this device and simultaneously underwhelmed let me provide a bit of insight in case some of you weren't aware of this capability. One word: Samples. Look up some of the multi sample packs available as well as how to properly load them. They can take your sounds to a whole new level above what is available with presets and the synth engine that is loaded inside this thing. After discovering this sampling ability, I have rekindled my love for my Deluge. Good luck to you all.
@MrBasic
@MrBasic 6 лет назад
Ha! This video sounds so beautiful!
@metabeard3788
@metabeard3788 5 лет назад
I would love to have a PDF chart showing all those triad configurations...
@NigDub
@NigDub 5 лет назад
Metabeard me too
@Eugensson
@Eugensson 5 лет назад
open any guitar chords guide and you are pretty much there
@Metamere
@Metamere 4 года назад
Metabeard, Nigel Dubois, here is one. Check the end of the document. www.dropbox.com/s/zjb4p2grdcaj374/Community%20User%20Guide.pdf?dl=0&fbclid=IwAR2d2kztyxHBI9CV-9AHKf5lRrC8rHBARIJxaOqEbQCCrp9-nbsLuTZobzY
@shiva007freephenix
@shiva007freephenix 4 года назад
@@Metamere Thanks !!!
@BrandonWalowitz
@BrandonWalowitz 4 года назад
@@shiva007freephenix I made one too tinyurl.com/deluge-iso
@chrisliddiard725
@chrisliddiard725 Год назад
Agreed, very useful, is there a website with charts etc? Suddenly there's a finite number to the number of chord shapes to learn. A manageable number.
@thom-alphaxiii-5106
@thom-alphaxiii-5106 6 лет назад
Simple efficace et fun, bravo
@IngeborgvonAgassiz
@IngeborgvonAgassiz 4 года назад
What. Are those little humanoid figurines!? I want.
@OlivierOzoux
@OlivierOzoux 4 года назад
Glad you like them. Search for "Smiski" here's how I make stop-motion animation with them: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9O8hmsaKy2M.html
@lorddorogoth
@lorddorogoth 3 года назад
19 tet would break my brain on this.
@wiidlbeetle3857
@wiidlbeetle3857 2 года назад
The Deluge looks pretty cool but a little pricey. Great video btw!
@xchalibur77
@xchalibur77 4 года назад
I'm so good that I've jumped the first 3 steps and already learned the fourth
@OlivierOzoux
@OlivierOzoux 4 года назад
Hmmm. is that so?
@graysonkilmer
@graysonkilmer 3 года назад
I wish there was a way to have it repeat in the way the ableton Push does, since I already know those patterns!
@nowseemefly
@nowseemefly 5 лет назад
Love your video!
@merovingio10101
@merovingio10101 4 года назад
Great video! Some 7ths one pls?
@JellyMonster1
@JellyMonster1 3 года назад
The last bit was the most interesting but only lasted a few seconds.
@OlivierOzoux
@OlivierOzoux 3 года назад
I know, it’s actually meant to be played “as slow as possible” I’m planning to record the full performance over the next 20 years. It’ll be the longest RU-vid music video in the universe... 😎
@PASHKULI
@PASHKULI 2 года назад
Would love to see simple triads chord forms and their INVERSIONS (important for voice leading, accompaniment in songs!) + as a bonus some "seventh" (or even "ninth") chords (jazzy). Seems it would be a bit challenging with this layout of "fourths". The layout of "fifths" would be even worse. Intervals both direction, having different count of rows\columns is a bit overwhelming though...
@OlivierOzoux
@OlivierOzoux 2 года назад
Inversions are a simple question of moving one of the notes up or down an octave, which is either up 3 right 3 or up 4 left 4 to go up an octave, or down 3 left 3 ( down 4 right 4 ) to go down an octave. Once you memorize the basic intervals ( once and not once per starting note like a piano layout ) you’re good to go
@PASHKULI
@PASHKULI 2 года назад
@@OlivierOzoux That is the construction. I was asking for a demonstration in a song or a short piece of verse\chorus that uses chord inversions as voice leading or accompaniment to a melody... like in 99% of the songs ever written (not asking for complicated Bach or Telemann counterpoints). Specifically played on the layout used for LinnStrument in the video. I will tell you it is tricky, quite difficult actually, because you will need to use either both hands for that (a bit waste of fingers\positions) or some entangled fingerings of one hand, completely uncomfortable for the human hand.
@holyoox1453
@holyoox1453 5 лет назад
very helpfull.. thanks
@kanji_nakamoto
@kanji_nakamoto 5 лет назад
Great video! I got a Deluge but haven't spent much time learning it yet. Quite intuitive though. Keep it up! A few months ago I looked for sampling but there wasn't much info. My goal was to plug my guitar and play record a loop for example. What's your approach regarding your bass guitar recording in the Deluge?
@OlivierOzoux
@OlivierOzoux 5 лет назад
I have a lot more gear than just the Deluge, so haven’t seen the need to work that way.
@kanji_nakamoto
@kanji_nakamoto 5 лет назад
@@OlivierOzoux sure, same here, was just wondering because you put this video very well. Thank you!
@davidlane1248
@davidlane1248 3 года назад
Isomorphic keyboards and stringed frets freak me out, as an amateur keyboardist. That said, the advantages of isomorphic layouts are evident and I think they're better than traditional keys in most ways. I'm still going to be getting a Deluge and I think, instead of relying on a midi keyboard, I'm gonna try to learn how to play on the Deluge itself. Maybe even double down on it and get a Linnstrument to pair with it. Face my fears and all that lol
@OlivierOzoux
@OlivierOzoux 3 года назад
They defintely don’t have that built in Cmaj/Amin white keys privilege and while you’ll learn new chord shapes, it’s still 1/12th the amount of shape combination a piano keyboard has... Plus it sort of comes with the Dleige for free, so go for it!
@davidlane1248
@davidlane1248 3 года назад
@@OlivierOzoux well I was initially planning on getting a K-Board Pro for the Deluge once the MPE update drops, but it seems the Linnstrument already plays fairly nice with the Deluge right now, so I guess I should just go all out and broaden my horizons Besides, the Linnstrument and Deluge look like they were made for each other. Isomorphic keybeds, wood paneling, portable, MPE capabilities(eventually) and, when used together, double the light show to entertain your eyes while you make rockin' tunes
@wiegraf9009
@wiegraf9009 2 года назад
I'm in the same boat, looking forward to getting a deluge and learning this isomorphic layout!
@NuisanceMan
@NuisanceMan Год назад
Oh, come on -- you're not all THAT morphic.
@lofigoodguy5873
@lofigoodguy5873 4 года назад
it is possible to program chords in the sequencer
@ineffable_potentiality_01
@ineffable_potentiality_01 6 лет назад
tight!
@am5790
@am5790 4 года назад
which one do you prefer for workflow and efficiency etc btn Squarp vs Deluge?
@OlivierOzoux
@OlivierOzoux 4 года назад
Personally I find I’m much faster on the pyramid, just because of the way I can slide notes ( or chords) around to nudge things. Deluge only has a screen-based copy/cut paste, which personally I find slower. Pyramid has dedicated encoders for note velocity, pitch, octave, length and offset.
@am5790
@am5790 4 года назад
@@OlivierOzoux Thank you. I recently bought a Squarp and hs been helpful in arrangement and compositional aspect. Thank you for your helpful tutorials. Great help. appreciate.
@ValkyRiver
@ValkyRiver 3 года назад
Tune this to microtonal music?
@barret707
@barret707 4 года назад
is it possible to increase velocity of te keyboard mode? Its stuck at a default of 60 for me and i cant figure out how to increase it.
@OlivierOzoux
@OlivierOzoux 4 года назад
It defaults to 64. But it also always remembers the last velocity edit, so every new notes always uses the last edited value. Personally, I find that part of the workflow annoying, because it almost guarantees any new note is just as likely to have to wring velocity as the right one.
@erosxion
@erosxion 4 года назад
Hold down the note and crank the (I think it’s the) top black knob.
@juergensutter521
@juergensutter521 4 месяца назад
Sorry , need to much time to learn it.
@mr.pooper7615
@mr.pooper7615 4 года назад
btw... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Sethares
@ZZKJ396
@ZZKJ396 5 лет назад
Where would you get a downloadable PDF or image of these chords?
@OlivierOzoux
@OlivierOzoux 5 лет назад
I guess I would have to make one. I just did the graphics so I could edit the video, I wasn't planning to make a cheat sheet out of them. I'll think about it...
@ZZKJ396
@ZZKJ396 5 лет назад
Thanks Olivier, if you make one I’ll download it. Great video BTW
@raybun
@raybun 5 лет назад
@@ZZKJ396 here you go: drive.google.com/file/d/1rh7ifzagTXF_cv-Hno9JL2NO0WikS_RH/view?usp=sharing and thanks @Olivier for putting together the useful video! :)
@ZZKJ396
@ZZKJ396 5 лет назад
Yay, many thanks!
@OlivierOzoux
@OlivierOzoux 5 лет назад
Oh, wow! Nice work. Did you do that?
@-IYN-
@-IYN- 5 лет назад
I do not get it. This is a square grid instrument.
@OlivierOzoux
@OlivierOzoux 5 лет назад
What do you mean? ( outside of the grid being obviously rectangular and not square, I’m not sure what you are commenting on )
@youpppi3157
@youpppi3157 5 лет назад
Great video! Recently found this linear layout ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-muuUMDNZsac.html. Looks pretty easy, what's best deluge layout or doddka one?
@MisterMotel
@MisterMotel 2 года назад
So how is this more easy?
@Persun_McPersonson
@Persun_McPersonson 2 года назад
Because a scale has two versions that apply in every key instead of each key having 12 versions. Because the same shape means the same type of harmony instead of the same shape resulting in different sounds depending on what note you start on. Because consistency is inherently easier than a mis-matched and irregular mess. ...Well, that's is all there is to it _in theory._ However, due to the way the deluge's pitches are laid out, aswell as the size of the pads, you can end up with some pretty awkward hand shapes. There _are_ better implementations of this kind of concept though, such as John Moriarty's isomorphic piano keyboard overlay or the Janko keyboard. Speaking of... The problem with the deluge is that the pads are too small and the enharmonic equivalents are in weird places. On the Janko keyboard, aswell as John Moriarty's keyboard, the enharmonic equivalents are consistently directly above and below; and even though they're different keytops, they're actually part of the same key and hit the same keylever. Both of these keyboards have benefits over the traditional keyboard without the particular drawbacks of the Deluge. There's demonstrations and explanations of how these keyboards work, linked here: • John Morriarty's: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9tMtKyYEbaM.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VnUP8cnB_ZY.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JwkydiYS8tk.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LnUJFWgpvu0.html • Janko: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cK4REjqGc9w.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cb67ykXJc8o.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eJhGQi5zNbQ.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-65gjRDlaq9w.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-i_yWNdSd1OA.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IlmfmNS-3xE.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-84myHtv9V2M.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WWCUnk9ABbM.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-h8hURZ2z2-M.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FkN9-r7q7gg.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gBwnHZ2VyD8.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dSUbKBZmom8.html There's still a tradeoff happening between these keyboards and the traditional layout, though, since orientation is slightly harder (like with a string instrument), but this can be alleviated by putting different textures on the keys. Paul Vandervoort in particular has made some Janko keyboards with differently-textured keys: • One design keeps all the white keys flat and gives the black keys a dip in them; this design was used on his older 4-row Janko keyboards and the dips can be seen clearly in this video of the piggyback/overlay keyboard he made, shown here (owned and played by someone else in this video): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xDhmkt5vFO8.html • The other gives each of the 12 notes a different texture. This design is used on his later 5-row keyboards since he had realized 5 rows is more ergonomic; images of a prototype of a currently in-development MIDI controller keyboard utilizing this kind of key design can be found here: www.flickr.com/photos/paul_vandervoort/albums/72157627480916823/ The other benefits that they offer outweigh the orientation concerns in my opinion, especially with the textured keys.
@johnsuggs3952
@johnsuggs3952 2 года назад
Question should be is it easier enough to justify spending the 1000s these things cost.
@peen2804
@peen2804 2 года назад
@@johnsuggs3952 you can get a Launchpad for like $100 lol. there are a million cheap isomorphic midi controllers. Also the point of them isn’t to be easier or harder. It’s simply a different layout made to be able to play harmonic content on grid controllers.
@johnsuggs3952
@johnsuggs3952 2 года назад
@@peen2804 Kinda what I did.
@dazdavison1
@dazdavison1 5 лет назад
Not confusing at all
@OlivierOzoux
@OlivierOzoux 5 лет назад
It’s still 12x easier than on a piano. 😎
@dazdavison1
@dazdavison1 5 лет назад
How can it be?, I tell you what do Lennon imagine on deluge and post it
@OlivierOzoux
@OlivierOzoux 5 лет назад
on an isomorphic keyboard ( just like a guitar or pretty much every instruments except the piano, chord shapes are constant and don’t change based on the key, so you learn the shape, and transposing is easy. On the piano, the same chord is different in every key, because the layout is designed to make C Major/A Minor simpler, and everything else more complicated. So you have to learn all the variations separately, so yes, 12x more complicated.
@OlivierOzoux
@OlivierOzoux 5 лет назад
Take your John Lennon example. Play it on the piano. No play it again transposed up 3 semi-tones. And again down a semitones, and once more in G#. See what I mean?
@lofigoodguy5873
@lofigoodguy5873 4 года назад
it is possible to program chords in the sequencer
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