It's Just Not Fair To The Players 

I love that Matt has really grown into this role on this channel - I remember in the early days he seemed somewhat nervous but now he's a natural. Love to see it!

Thank you for continuing to hold Blizzard accountable to create a game that’s actually playable and fun, and not just a parasitically designed ATM.

I love how in legion they say, we get that players are frustrated at the amount of bagspace artifact power takes up so in bfa all the azerite will be applied directly to the necklace. Along comes SL, and they're like let's have multiple systems that take up a players bagspace with anima and research crap. They always forget. Improve on a system and then next expansion or patch just forget why they make these changes.

Maybe Blizzard should include 6 months of game time for FREE with a new expansion to cover the 'beta testing' their customers have to do for them. 🤷‍♂️

Imagine being a new player trying to understand this system..

Haven't been subbed in like 8 months. It feels amazing. I spent that money on fixing my car.

The WoW dev's understand modeling system outcomes. Everyone understands it. You take the mean reward and expected player engagement tweak the numbers accordingly. Corthia grinds "taking longer than expected" means that one of those two variables were wrong. Since rewards are dead simple to calculate, it suggests that the dev's over estimated player engagement. People aren't playing WoW's most recent content.

Im pretty sure the rep token in MoP wasnt a BoA item, you simply bought it on your main at revered that increased rep gain account wide. There was no mailing to alts. This is just an extremely watered down version of it, and I wouldnt expect anything less from Blizzard.

These two guys and Asmongold is the only reason I still even care about wow.

2 reasons why they are choosing 9.1.5 to come out when it will... 1) it's when next 6 month sub will renew 2) try to make ppl choose between patch and FF14 new expansion... which is going to blow up in thier face this go around... 🤣

What was "taking longer than intended" is the next raid tier development because of all the inner turmoil, so they intentionally lengthened every single available grind to somehow extend the longevity of the patch.

I quit WoW today. Feels pretty bad to leave the guild behind, but it feels really great to leave Blizz behind.

Shadowlands has been the first expansion I haven't played. So far it looks like a good decision by be. BFA was fucking terrible too, but at least I bought that.

I remember in videos during BfA you were saying that they can’t have another expansion like BfA. It’s really ringing true in this expansion, after being someone who has played this game consistently since Vanilla, I canceled my sub around the start of 9.1 and I’m having more fun playing other games, plus I have an extra $20 per month to buy other stuff like other games. I’m sad that the game is in this state, but it is what it is and I can’t change that, they can and should.

I think they used the engagement metrics from earlier content, however i also think it turns out people are fed up with how Blizzard is designing content so people are engaging less with the content than Blizzard thought they would so saying it takes longer than expected is technically true, but it's because people just don't give a shit about the content any longer.

Asmongold thinks they do it on purpose to generate artificial excitement for midtier patches bc they'd rather fix a broken system than create more content

man, what do they mean relic farm is taking longer than they intended, and they are fixing it in the next patch? How is this not a hotfix applied at next week maintenance at the latest in a live service game with a monthly sub fee?? WTF?

When you're once bitten, twice shy, over and over again, it's ok to be cynical, and assume people are lying to you. Especially if you're thinking about giving them your money.

A better analogy is turning in your programming homework to the professor on time, and telling him you'll have it working next week.

I enjoy watching Bellular tear into Blizzards ass from time to time. Thank you for the content, I enjoy this channel because you both drop facts to the viewers raw and uncut! Keep up the good work 👏

Meanwhile I know of a big youtuber or two who will often bend over backwards to express how much this patch is great and how much fun they had (all while making some slight criticism here and there to pretend there's no bias)

It took as long as they wanted it to. What happened is it pissed off players more than they intended.

The big problem with Korthia was that that rank 5 and 6 were BOTH at exalted and just gated by renown. They should have been at revered and exalted with no renown req.

Reputation should just be account wide at this point. I am sick of redoing reputation on characters because I change mains almost every expansion. I have maxed tillers rep on my priest, guess who I haven't really played since mop. Yeah my priest. The 50% rep bonus is not enough.

Playing WOW has turned into "Groundhog day" on steroids that punishes you for trying to play the game. Hazitcostus and his team are being wilfully obtuse to this very second. Time to stop paying up front for a product that isnt fit for purpose. You'd get more joy from a ghost chilli enema, lubricated into place with obsidian shards in a heavy brine, than playing WOW.

They didn't expect that moving almost all rep gains from the quests to their "exploration system" would end up working against them since most players don't want to keep wasting 1h+ of their available game time per day looking for the same shared treasures and waiting for rares that die in seconds... for a chance of rep tokens (that also have rarity tiers). Next time, don't do that. And since they love to do Timeless Isle all the time, get back to the weekly respawn for major treasures. Also, let players find their own treasures, stop with the shared treasures. Make it so that the treasures spawn for that player at reset and the player go find it, not run to click something that others clicked and will despawn soon (so the player will need to wait some time for it to spawn again somewhere else). Let players waste their available time with the core systems of the game again.

Here's a reminder that the timewalking experience "bug" was hotfixed within a day of it being discovered. Let that sink in, and please think about that a little. Something that helps players is patched out of the game in a rush, while dreadful, mindless, tedious grind artificially blocked and drip fed as a way to extend your engagement as much as humanly possible is merely "addressed" when they realize too many people are leaving the game. The exact same """""""mistakes"""""""" keep happening constantly, while workarounds are immediately removed from the game. Think... Why would that be the case? Why is it that whenever something makes the game worse it is never addressed, or it's addressed in a way that barely addresses the problem, but when something actually helpful is discovered it is IMMEDIATELY removed from the game forever? Why is that? Why? What could possibly be the reason for the same patterns to keep repeating themselves for the 4th expansion in a row? Why? Just why? How can someone make the same """"""""mistake""""""""" for half a decade and STILL keep their job? Could it be that these aren't mistakes at all, but design choices intended to make grind take ridiculously more time than it has to, just to extend the life of an empty and dreadful game that offers nothing but illusion of progress that is constantly reset every time a new patch comes along? Nah, that's just "conspiracy theory" from toxic trump voters, I'm sure.

I think "Measure Twice cut Once" should be thrown up there in their Orc Statue with Core Values :D, and generally to remind the staff to be mindful about it

Went to Korthia, all the quests gave rep or crap items, left Korthia.

The rep grind, or whatever it is, taking 'longer than intended'... Either these _professional_ game designers don't know what the hell they're doing or they thought their customers were going to put up with more grind and were surprised when people just stopped caring and gave up.

I do enjoy keeping up with WOW news via Bellular or other RU-vidrs but as far as still playing wow in the future, can t see myself paying monthly for a 17-year-old game. The whole game revolves around repetition and getting stuff that gets obsolete every few months and then a reboot every two years, there is no real exploration or any kind of adventure in this game, you are forced to check marks daily on a list and only via means that Blizz allows that are braindead mostly. I wish they would do something new or just take an original idea that has potential from a different company like they normally do and make something new and good :P.

i would reach rank 6 codex right around the time they fix this issues...my sub ends today officially.

why would you play this... if there is a game called FF14 that respects your time, and you don't have to hurry up because all the content is still relevant

Honestly i started watching this and at about 3 minutes in i was just like... why am i watching this? i literally give zero fucks about the next patch or wow in general, and have no idea what any of this even means coz i've not played since early SL anyway. Sorry but i'mma just hit that like button and dip out. Also commenting for algorithm.

I'll be more impressed once these changes that clearly just make the game and systems better start launching WITH the content not months later, they got their "engagement" by now, everyone they knew would do grind regardless did now they're making it easier just to get more people back.

9.2 needs to be huge for a lot of players to stick around. If it sucks people are gonna drop this game faster than anything.

Bloody hell, imagine what a director's cut would actually be. Fractal RNG systems at every step of character progression, every quest is in a different $20 book, and all the night elves forgive Sylvanas.

Make reputation gains be account wide. That will definitely make the alt experience better.

I love playing a game that respects my time. By that I mean FF14

If 9.1 had shipped like this I might still be playing. Thanks WoW for being trash so I could discover other games.

Meanwhile im doing bozja and leveling up my other jobs whilst progressing my resistance weapon on my 2 main jobs amazing isnt it? 2 birds in one stone.

I hate to be cynical but it feels like their design philosophy is to provide the minimum amount of fun necessary to retain the highest amount of active players for the longest period of time with the lowest amount of investment. It's not about providing players a fun experience and gauging how much they enjoy playing, but rather it's all about finding the limit of unhappiness before too many players stop playing. Personally, I feel that for years now they've been exploiting players' attachment and/or addiction to the game.

Im pretty sure that the slow down in reaseach botainment was not intended and was caused by a few different reason. First was the day they did the hot fix to make Kortherite Crystals come from the quest more often took 200-300 resreach daily off the table. By changing that quest to be forced into the rotation of quest more often it reduced the change of getting the 2x 100 or 150 research tiems. Second they started adding more and more quest week by week and fewer of them had research as a reward. increasing the total number of quest in the pool with rewards that were not research. And the latest hotfix forced the cosmetic item quest to be forced into the quest rotation limiting that pool of reward to only 3 quest. The last part is with all the new quest added and them stacking in different areas some time caused the total number of rares each day to decline. Rel only spawns if a quest is on the southern island that is not a fly over quest. The nest still shows up on days it would have been up but no longer spawns because the secondary trigger is a quest being in that area. Kroke Requires the large mobs to be within his spawning area to trigger him. Zel required a quest to be within his spawn area. The weekly rewards box you get from subdue the forces of the jailer loot table was changed to favor cosmetics pets and other items over research. All in all i was able to be T6 on july 19th on 5 characters. within a few days of eachother. that first month you would bet 1100-2200 research a day. Now i can se a low as 680 research having done ever prossible thing there was to do in korthia plus going to the maw for the 2 extras.

Longer than they intended again. ;D Anyway, comparing this to MoP reputations. Isn't it interesting how they have a reputation ( /s ) for being very grindy, and yet the total time doing them is far less than the systems that has come after? I mean really, look at it. They were ~1 month reps, but nowadays we have system after system that conveniently has been tuned for more than that, or at the minimum the very same.

One thing too about mythic sylvanas too is that anduin will cast on raid members one shooting them seemingly random. Our tank was nuked by anduin while he was on platform 2 clearing puddles. Idk if its a bug or if people are breaking some kind of rules to the fight but it didn't happen to him again but did to one of our warlocks

Players with limited play time is exactly that. I work full time, so can only play for 2-3 hours per night if I am lucky and have nothing else on. I don't wanna waste my 3 hours on choreghast or the maw/korthia. I just wanna raid and do m+. Thing like this keep pushing me away from the game.

I’ve had rank 6 for awhile now and have most of my conduits maxed. It’s something mindless to do on my lunch break. I think their data was off ( if they actually looked at it) because they expected players to do the quests, kill all the rares, do the rifts, etc. and most players either can’t be bothered to do all of that because it’s pretty boring or they have to go look up a “how to maximize Korthia” guide. I played for two weeks before I figured out what all was in the rifts. They have to learn if you don’t explain stuff in game people aren’t going to figure it out by googlin’. If it’s not interesting after the first week, people aren’t going to do it all. They need to stop trying to recreate the timeless isle.

to be honest the archivist grind is extremely tedious, especially it's so necessary to get it for the tier 6 item upgrades. Why isnt this account wide, even giving 50% is a joke, it should be 500%, and this should be available for all reputations.

I hope that when they see the numbers haven't improved in 9.1.5 they dont take that as "see we gave them what they wanted and it didn't work." I think a lot of us are just waiting to see if they continue down this road in the future before we even consider resubbing. if after 9.1.5 it's just more of the same from Blizz as usual then nope, your bandaid patch can't fool me a 6th time lol

Hey Blizz, just add the Grateful Offerings change as a hotfix so I don't have to wait until 9.1.5. Thanks... It's not the change I would like, but it's better at least. They should just hotfix the rest of these balance changes as well.

I have a solution for that legendary system, instead of UPGRADING your item for a currency, just buy a stock item from a trader for that currency go to the rune carver and let him BUILD that item for free. If you have farmed enough for the next step upwards, scrap your existing buy the next more expensive stock item and let it build again.

so good to see year later that patch 9.0 is already taking shape

Blizzard designs around pacing. Everything is set up to limit binge play, or make it torturous to accomplish more than desired so the objectives run out by the time the next patch drops. The problem is that it ignores that players don't treat games as 9 to 5 jobs.

I'm waiting for them to do something about pvp. I went into a bg and get wrecked completely cause I'm behind gear and I can barely do any dmg. I just want to come home from a long day at work and queue into a bg and have fun.

Thanks lads…I haven’t played retail since TBC came out and I haven’t played TBC since I realised that is was boost central and I was a million miles behind the curve on my belf pally because I wasn’t boosting. This is how I digest wow now, listening to 2 guys talk about it…AND I don’t feel like I’m missing out!

This is the company that had to buff and/or nerf azerite traits and essences by up to 400%. How anyone thinks Blizz can balance anything is beyond me.

World of WAITcraft Thats the game we are all now playing.

In swtor all your characters are part of a legacy,like a family,and all rep is legacy wide. Gear is also bound to legacy so characters can share and or pass on gear.

Next expansion's announcement will tell, if all these improvements are just short term desperate moves to get onto peoples' good side again or if they actually learned something.

Seems the reason for these changes to not be in a hot fix is simply they have no other ideas for 9.1.5 , rush job on 9.1 rather than hot fix they already have content for 9.1.5 this way.

SO essentially: - Issues that Blizz didn't foresee, which improve player enjoyment (e.g. the exp gain issue or whatever that was) are fixed out of the game immediately via hotfix - Issues that Blizz didn't foresee, which hamper player enjoyment are low prio and are fixed month later Seems about right.

I'm probably just going to play final fantasy until Lost Ark comes out

When we needed anima it was hard to get. Now we need lots of relics and get 10k anima, ve'nari rep and deaths advance rep instead. If you're unlucky it can take hours to farm all the rares. Standing in the middle for an hour and wait for the last rares isn't playing the game. And when you only need Konthrogz, then Towering spawns 5 times in a row.

This basically the slogan of this expansion already: "PTR testers cried about this shit for weeks....How is this shit in until .5 patch?"

System that I do not enjoy is now a slightly different system that I do not enjoy.

You are correct, no one wants to do that content, I'm at the extreme end of the spectrum..I only play TBC classic. I like to keep up with retail to see what torture others are dealing with.

We are witnessing the death of Blizzard. A couple years from now the game will be discontinued indefinitely

i have no empathy for any blizz dev....they ve been screwing us for over a decade now. They deserve all the shit they get. They brought all this on themselves, they refused to listen to thier community cause apparently know better. I m smiling watching them burn slowly. I dont care anymore if wow dies and i've been a loyal player of the game since vanilla. gg

Suggestions of how to improve systems like Legion lengendaries and BFA azerite armor are generally ignored until the back half of the expansion. They can't have everything be too easy and have to have a grind to get it. They try to walk the fine line every expansion of what they think players will tolerate and they failed miserably with SL. They want players to login every day for their metrics like MAUs. The sad part is if things were a bit easier to get, more players would likely stick around and play longer with their alts.

Nope, I "do not" have to do this. Content like this, and the entire list of poor designs from the same development mind set, are exactly why I no longer play.

we had a bug on the eye heroic where the dot you have to run out with happened with the stacking mechanic on the same guy, 100% wiped us too

With a toon that cannot be used anywhere else- okay early access would not be a big deal. I am not in the game anyways since they started allowing disguised pay to win.

You should do a video on how you would balance the korthia rep grind. Maybe blizzard just need someone to teach them. I feel the same way. I hit level 4, and saw how slow it was to get 5, and just gave up thinking about how much worse tier 6 was going to be.

They have been keeping all these fixes aside ‘for a rainy day’ …or are you gonna tell me this was not Ion’s intention?

Im so glad I learned my lessons from bfa. Come into the expac atleast three patches in so it's atleast kinda playable xD

I think for farming things needed for access to a new level, be it rep or gear, randomness below "average drop" should not be possible. The good thing about titanforging was that it only gave bonuses. The analog for grinds like Catalogued Research is titanforging that had equal chance to result in REDUCED stats. That feels TERRIBLE for the player. It's an insult. Imagine running a M+12 only to get "titanforged" gear equal to Mythic+0! So if the devs want to build in some randomness with an average, the bell curve needs to look more like a wedge. Figure out "average" drop rate hack off the lower range either AT the "average" or darned close to it. Seriously, I've had days in which I've cleared everything possible in Korthia in a day along with as many purple mobs as I could find during the couple of hours there and STILL not received more than 3% of research rep. That's a rate of MORE THAN A MONTH in the same tier! It didn't result in my logging in every single day out of necessity but deciding it was never going to be reasonable and logging in only two or three days per week. Grinds have to be reasonable-and FEEL reasonable.

Here's an idea for the next WoW expansion. Instead of making new zones with new systems and new raids - instead of that work on dynamic player power scaling and re-balancing old content so that you can queue up in SFK as a level 60 - and be sufficiently challenged. So that you can go and raid MC, and even wipe there a couple of times. I'm not saying "Make it equivalent to current raid tier" - but make them not zerg. For farmers, leave option to run "unscaled" version where it will still be all one-shottable. WoW has the richest trove of content in the gaming world. But it uses 5% of it.

@1:41 It'd be a mixed bag for me if they took MoP's class design verbatim and put it into today's WoW. My healing kit was definitely better in MoP than it is in Shadowlands, and I sure miss having Denounce and Rebuke while soloing. But I sure hope they don't make the mistake they made with Discipline in Legion and Holy Paladins in MoP and WoD, and *fail* to give us baseline AoE damage tools!

I just cant wait until November for these changes. i got so close to unlocking rank 5, i just cant be bothered loging in anymore to just to do a lap of Korthia each day this stupid system intentionally releasing unfinished content to stretch it out only to release as intended when it doesn't matter any more really needs to stop

The current team at Blizzard needs help. So little content, so many bugs, nerfing and buffing things by hundreds of percent a year after the expansion comes out. Redoing their game systems every 6 months. They obviously need new leadership and need to significantly increase their team size to keep up with the game. I doubt they have many applicants to work their right now though. WoW will be in rough shape for awhile.

I only have to play a little over the weekend. Where I try to complete the dailies, and get my weekly covenant stuff.

I watched this podcast live (damn time zones has you guys streaming in the middle of my shift lol), and it's just as true and cuts deep the 2nd time.

I know Bellular depends on WoW for income. But it disgusts me he still has hope for this game.

It's called Shadowlands because they released dead content

Measure once cut thirty times over two years.

I believe they did it with more sample size, and it reduced much fast than they anticipated. Thus making them miss the mark.

The only excuse to get the title of incompetent removed at this point is if most of the WoW team members have actually been working on WoW 2 for a few years now. With maintenance devs on WoW 1.

I'm exalted with Death's Advance and nearly completed with the extra 10k rep for them, and I just hit tier 5 lmao

Lol releasing what’s essentially what should be hot fixes before endwalker pathetic

Im just too tired for retail wow

I knew that i wouldn't get tier 6 by the time I am done with the content so I engaged with korthia by just doing daily quests and weekly, killing the rare that's on the way.

9.1.5 definitely doesnt have enough juice to take me away from wanting to play Endwalker. I might even be working on completing Shadowbringers during that time. Why would I come back for easier anima and other assorted bs. I'm sure it'll still all feel like work after a while. At least if we were back in Azeroth, there's a case to be made for home ground love. Shadowlands bleh.

Jesus, they're adding more systems?

I pre ordered shadowlands, enjoyed the mount and game time of one month given, I've been playing since vanilla. When shadowlands released, I did not play it, did not log in and haven't since. Everyone should have done the same, there are other things to do.

WoW it's taking all your hair, be careful Bellular

It is not that I have the game but seriously. How come it is not more alt friendly? Why on earth if you already grinded reps these are not account wide? Why most of things aren't account wide except maybe professions. All of this grind, legendary system, gameplay and gear mechanics will just get wiped again next expansion all of what we do will just be worth nothing. We should at least keep things account wide. I think I will not renew my sub I don't have that much time anyway.

Blizzard really needs to set down and rethink world of Warcraft and if they plan on doing another expansion after shadowlands it better be better then what they been putting out cause sense legion these last 2 have been blah

Blizzard: Fuck fair, give us money.

Service games need the issues ironed out as soon as possible. Not the way Blizzard do it. Especially if it is fundamental to the progression

I nolifed the korttia reps hard on my main to get the conduits and sockets for pvp and sure it Feels great now on Alts that O can actually buy them instantly But now I’m just completely for 9.2 and What kind of a grind they are planning to get your sockets and conduits once again.