"Did you play that? No, because if you had bothered to play that you would know it's shit! I would be embarrassed if this came out of my studio! Get out of my sight." G.Ramsey, Game Studio Nightmares
Blizzard-Activision thinks WoW players will just accept whatever slop is served to them, they know many are addicted to the game and they're simply exploiting it. That is the main reason I have unsubbed, I think there is a lack of respect for players and their time and I won't put up with it.
That’s just the asian culture. China / japan the companies are always right. Not the customer. You will play what we give you. That’s basically how they run everything. From government to video games.
Yep. They also greatly abuse FOMO with "exclusive" or limited time shit. Every launch event and every piece of content no longer player accessible or piece of no longer obtainable gear, mounts or pets, all abuse of FOMO.
Well for me personally thats true. They had built up enough equity with me from Vanilla through Legion(sorry I missed half of WoD so I don't hate it like you) that I was willing to eat shit on a spoon for awhile there. Well I've almost had enough turdsicle's and they have burned through all their built up equity with me so its damn near do or die time for them.
pretty much every suit thinks workers a expendble and you will their opinion -one is ,i dont care about your input, 2 is i can behaive as i want aginst you since i have reasons and what you think dont matter
It's worse than that Matt with your restaurant analogy. We told them when we were taste testing we didn't like their food, we told them that we were tired of the menu in fact and preferred the old menu. They told us to stfu, that eating dinner at their establishment had to be a meaningful choice and they will eat what they serve regardless if we even ordered it or not. Not only that, but we are forced to wait for our food forever, its cold when it comes out and has hair all stuck in it. Then, to top it off, they tell us they will serve us fresh clean food we want next time, but we have to pre-pay 6 months in advance. Not to mention we have discovered the cooks are groping the wait staff and have been for years. It's garbage.
No. This has been blown way out of proportion. For one, the restaurant analogy he keeps using is a terrible one. A restaurant creates a Menu based on THEIR recipes and leaves small room for minor adjustments depending on costs.You are not going to recreate your entire menu because a few people want it made different. Especially when that same customer may decide next time they are bored with how the meal is and wants it completely different again. Secondly, the state of WoW is not the fault of blizzard, but from the toxic community. Every time they make something new and interesting, the community cries that it’s too different from what WoW was before. Then they try to make more of the same and the community cries that WoW isn’t fresh and new.
i am so done with giving blizzard credit for "fixing" stuff that 1) should NEVER even have been an idea in their minds 2) made it into the BETA and people instantly gave feedback on why this doesnt work 3) made it into the LIVE game and people still gave feedback to get it fixed next patch. at this point if they decide to remove conduit energy or make covenant swaping instant without any friction, it would be the biggest spit in the face to the whole playerbase. how is it that we always have to play an awful version of the game until they decide in the last patch that "huh maybe the players were right after all".
Bet you know that they, the devs, know this. However, making you grind means corporate is happy and MAU are up. End of xpack the MAUs don't matter as much since a new expansion is on the horizon so then removing the time gating means people will play to catch up (thus you keep your MAU)
@@michaelkovalsky4907 This has to be it. Either that, or they're truly just incompetent, stuborn, morons... which, although is easier to believe, I doubt.
"Whoever is in blizzard designing things that make players upset, annoyed, bored or just tired then they are doing their job wrong." Never a truer word spoken Those systems have made me feel all of those things.
@M J Yep, quite after I maxed my Warrior. Game is fucking terrible and the only reason I played it was nostalgia. Now that it's been a few months, going back to WoW sounds fucking terrible.
The problem is that they DON'T have a low batting average for systems, because of the metric they use to determine success...participation. They think if players are doing a certain activity, it MUST be something they want to do. It's backwards and it's killed the game. Because we HAVE TO do something to progress doesn't mean that we WANT to do that thing.
First off they should make up their minds and decide how they want to go about player power. If need so create the whole idea of gearing from the beginning and have it work for every expansion. Then create casual content. True casual content. Thats really it. No trying to rediscover the wheel with drops, m+ and annoying borrowed power.
@@rodrigobogado8756 Thats just it, theyre not lying. Players have always been forced to do these things and they did. Participation metrics. Wasnt a lie to the investors. It was a lie to themselves.
@@rodrigobogado8756 I agree. And its funny because if they actually cared to meet their older expansions's standards (bar from wod obviously), that problem would never be there and they wouldnt have to lie. They would be like, "Game's healthy, got 7-8 million subs" and literally everyone would be happy. Its easier than they think to make people happy. I remember an old saying "dont fix what aint broken". They are bend on "fixing what aint broken" for so many expansions that they have legitimately created problems in the process.
I think if you are designing a game around monopolizing player's time through artificially inflated grinds and how much money they put into it, you've left the realm of "Art".
As a restaurant worker. The analogy to restaurants is spot on. If we get negative feed back we’ll fix it on the spot. Otherwise we’ll be out of business real quick.
I think many of us are hoping they do. The way Blizz elites treat us deserves the responses they are getting. Do I feel bad for the Blizz worker just trying to do his/her best? Yes absolutely. I hope they find a BETTER job within the industry. F Blizz. I will NOT go back to any Blizz game in a long time if ever.
Like with restaurants, if people aren't happy they tend to just leave and not return. Burnt food is obvious. Food that is chewy, flavorless and microwaved is something most choke down and never come back to. If you somehow do receive negative feedback, that counts many times over... someone who speaks up actually cares. If only slightly.
The irony is I work for a HEAVILY corporate restaurant. And for some bizarre reason our kid's mac and cheese has had effing Bleu Cheese in it for at LEAST a year. And we've all complained to corporate that kids don't want bleu cheese in their mac. After countless comps, they finally went back to the old style. So corporate shenanigans happen in every industry.
Blizzard is so far gone at this point, there's naught to do but accept the fact that the Blizzard we once knew is dead and gone. They aren't coming back. Retail wow will NEVER be good again, it just won't. They can't do it. They couldn't design their way out of a cardboard box, and they couldn't balance a sheet of paper on the bare floor. It's a joke. The game is a joke. Blizzard are a joke. We have to accept this and move on, the sooner we do, the easier it will be to forget Retail wow and stop having blind faith and broken hopes.
Already have moved on. I think most of us check in like we check in on an ex who is hooked on meth. This is straight gaming disaster porn now. I’m just curious how bad they can make things and how disconnected guys like Celestion can get. Each week, I’m surprised it’s worse than the last. It is no longer really that entertaining… just sad now. How can they think they are doing even an average job? I guess they live in their own deluded bubble. Pretty common for us Americans these days.
the only way it can be saved is if the original leads and devs steps down and brings in actual talent and fixes everything in the game, wow can be saved, just not the devs
Already moved on, at this point they pretty much have to reconstruct the whole WoW team, which would mean putting investment into something long-term, and activision-blizzard only cares about quarterly gains. In a child's head it make sense, if each quarter you can make a huge gain, then you are doing great in the long term, but it isn't practical. Eventually the short term gains take a toll, it is much easier to plan for the long-term, then to constantly plan for the short-term, in this case the toll is the state/health of WoW.
Ordering a medium steak and getting it well done is not a good analogy. It's more like...ordering a high quality medium steak for around $40, and getting a TV dinner salisbury steak that is obviously one of the $1.69 Banquet things, still frozen. And when you complain to the waiter, they say "don't you guys have microwaves?"
Wow going downhill is more like this: You used to go to that great restaurant that served good and simple quality food with fresh products that now has decided to only rely on frozen food and microwaves for the sake of money .
I almost bought Shadowlands, my friend tried to talk me into how they're fixing so much stuff that I hated and i almost bought into it. Glad I didn't, i got back into GW2 and have been satisfied since.
After 13 years I've called it quits, I can't trust the developers to make a good game anymore. Even with all that has happened in the past month, the game design and philosophy has gone so downhill that its got to the point I can't even think of a logical reason or excuse for the design choices the devs are making, its truly astonishing. The current developers for WoW clearly lack any vision or contain any love or passion for the game and its pretty evident. The devs lack the skills, love and vision to develop and maintain WoW and without a core design team change and if the philosophy towards the game and the players isn't changed this ship will sink straight to the bottom of the ocean and its already half way there.
The restaurant analogy is perfect for developed attitudes as well. If my chef who is an industry veteran makes a dish that most of our guests don’t like, we have to address it. It doesn’t matter if he’s a talented chef. We all have taste buds that can identify shit. I think the same thing applies to games.
that's why mythics has fucked things up, raid tiers should always be top tier gearing, not mythics, i mean, why run raids if everyone is just spamming mythics all day, mythics is only a solution to a destroyed unsubbed community, not a normalized function of game design
I think the problem is also that the new people who are developing the game and making design decisions are either no where near as good at their job as they think they are, or are in over their heads in their current positions due to virtually all the veteran devs that actually developed the game from the beginning having left by now. It feels like these newer devs think and act like THEY are the reason why WoW has its seat on the throne of MMOs(at least for the past 15 years...maybe not anymore) when in reality they didnt do shit in terms of helping the game earn all that success in the first 10 years of WoW, and theyve done more to help the game LOSE a lot of success/players. All ive seen from a lot of the devs is massive, unwarranted ego's and resentment of the players. Well, its clear as day now that the numbers say they arent nearly as good at their jobs as they think they are, and resenting the players instead of listening to them(well they do listen and respond...but only when its to talk shit to players on twitter lul) hasnt paid any dividends either, shocker. They need a reality check quick, other wise it will come in the form of them being known as the "Blizzard Devs who helped kill WoW through their incompetency and ego" when the game truly hits rock bottom and when they then need a new job they can sit there and wonder why other major studios or AAA companies wont even consider hiring them.
@@Handcannon77 well, it's not that they don't know what they're doing, it has every indication they're bringing in ppl that has never even seen the game before joining the team, be like like NASA hiring a classic car guy to fix the space shuttle, they're very good at what they do, they just never handled that kind of thing before or is familiar of how it works and is designed
It’s Not. Bc if a Restaurant is Bad People don’t Go the Restaurant anymore in wow People still play after Free Hongkong after all this After this systems for YEARS so why should they change anything if people still play anyway. Yes they did lose some after all this but not as much and then they just add more to the store and make the same money a year with less people playing bc people still buy all of it.
All I can say is this: if a systems designer is yelling at Asmongold that if the system designers are fired no one will ever receive loot again, you know there is no coming back from this. Not until you completely rip out the worthless employees cubicle by cubicle.
Here's something to think about. Imagine if the two guys in the attic tried to build their own game instead of just griping about Blizzard. Would they be better than the developers they hate so much? Well actually they don't hate the developers at all. What they have discovered is that every game has people who hate it and if you can deliver a good snarky attitude and mock the game it won't matter if you have no clue as to what it takes to write game software. Add to that, you will get a ton of clicks from those outraged angry game players to drive up your ad rates. It's too bad. Bellular gaming use to be a really good site. Now it's just a mock for cash organization.
@@chrisaustin9949 I'm going to have agree with demonsluger on this one. That was one of the dumbest comments I've seen on YT in a while and I see a lot of dumb comments.
@@chrisaustin9949 it's not that people hate WoW, it's the exact opposite. Players are upset because the direction of the game has gone in a direction opposite to what it has historically been. I quit wow this year because the company, not because I dislike the game. Players have a better idea of what would make the game enjoyable, but the company gives zero fucks about enjoyment and only cares about how much money they are making
10.000 hours of 3d animation experience, thinking there's be a community with love for this game for decades. Then, they run it into the ground in a few years.
Yea but for many years it was a great idea i used to always get disappointed when a wow youtuber quits wow but makes videos about lol minecraft overwatch hearthstone and other games that had nothing in common with wow if people start playing ff14 or eso runescape or some other mmo its a lot better.
Why? Their content will exist and they made money off of their opinions, that's great. You should feel bad.for 5he average Joe's who spent years playing this garbage game and have nothing to show for it except for some digital assets that they dont even own.
@@BaithNa Well aint that a life lesson? Stop investing so much of you in digital assets that can be ripped away and doesnt mean shit and go out and invest in yourself and your future instead.
That is their fault for being stupid tbh. Never invest so much of your time into one thing because no matter how great investment you have it will go down and if you dont have some kind of plan B or C or other investments resources? you will be screwed.
Th corpse is in the boat. The boat is drifting out into the water. The flaming arrows are on the downward arch. The viking funeral for wow seems unavoidable. Good run 👋
They said that there are enemies much stronger, much more dangerous than Sargeras. Jailer isn't even the most dangerous we'll have to face. I can now place a face on that enemy, it's Blizzard itself. The only thing capable of destroying the Warcraft universe. Creator and unmaker.
Its because Bellular thinks the people at Blizzard are watching his videos or that some of the devs are friends with him but in reality, they dont care about anyone's feedback, especially Bellular. That's why the game is so bad and antiquated but he wont take the hint and quit the game.
Well you have to consider that without having more intimate knowledge of how the company/projects are being run, the decisions being made aren't necessarily the fault of the people you're calling out as "failing at their job".
Amazes me how Bellular and Matt still have any ember of passion covering & discussing such a frustrating game for so long. I wonder how much hope for WoW they have left until shifting their content's focal point to products that catalyze their passion and joy for gaming... I think these guys deserve better.
thing is many wow players left or unsubbed but would LOVE (i know i would...) to come back if theyll show that blizz is willing to change, get better. Evolve or die, but many of us as fucked up it is are still willing to come back and are passionate about this game. Ive personally unsubbed as to show my dissatisfaction with state of lore/game/lawsuit etc, but if they got better i would come back.
Not surprising to me at all. Wow is now a hot topic with how bad the situation is, so there is a lot of reporting to do, ergo a lot of content for Bellular to make. Imho he is happy Blizzard is making his job so easy.
Regarding the harassment discourse: Blizz developers need to realize that apathy, not antipathy, from the community is their biggest problem. The people who "harass" them still care about WoW and are engaged. The ones who leave without saying anything are the ones who will ultimately kill the game.
That’s because some of the player are sick and tired of telling them what the problems are, just to watch them be ignored. Why bother. Many of us tried to bring attention to things properly, yet we got ignored for years. It has only got worse. The fault on on actiblizz alone. Why should we waste our time or mental energy on a company that does not listen anyway, especially after we tried many, many, many time before. After so long we just give up.
And to he honest it’s not they we don’t care at all, we just are so tired of wasting our breath and energy. We keep watch on things in hopes of hearing good news, even though we know it’s probably not. So all in all most of us who left do want to see the game get better, and the workers to get better treatment and safer work places. We do hope one day things will change for the better, but for now all we can do is watch.
@@nothanksnopenoname6403 Totally agree. I have not been subbed in a long time but I used to keep up with the lore. The last few years of lore have been such utter garbage that I just can't care anymore. I'm tired of being constantly let down so I just stopped paying attention.
Jesus, when Michael starts his rant the Heavensward background song hit HARD. Its getting sadder and sadder every single week. I hate seeing the game I used to love and cherish die this long agonizing death.
@@NerdlySquared Man, I’ve been a hardcore raid/mythic+ healer for years, and even though I love WoW more, I just can’t justify playing it at all. Recently dropped my sub and switched to playing FF as my main game and I’m not switching back. I’ve already done ultimates the beginning of this year as an AST, and after leveling DRK it’s just been a fucking theme park ride with no lines. Most of my guilds did the same thing and we’ve been enjoying the living shit out of creating and managing our FC and either raiding or just hanging out at our FC mega palace. It’s clear that Square Enix truly cares about the social aspect as well as the hardcore content of the game which makes it better for both casuals and hardcore players alike, and that gives everyone a space to enjoy a game that actually respects your time and effort. Unless Blizzard restructures their development leadership and drops the foot soldiers defending their bullshit on Twitter, I’ll never give them a dime. They need to make some serious changes to their staff and the game before we see anything worthwhile from this company. I was excited for D4 and the remaster but I couldn’t even care less about them anymore. I feel sorry for the employees who care, but fuck the rest of them.
feedback can't be taken seriously when that feedback are autistic manchildren that never made it past middle school at age 37 that doesn't know what they want from the devs
@@mmoarchives2542 I mean, at this rate, if I was running this shitshow of a game, I'd put a lot more stock into the opinions of autistic neckbeards at this point, after years and years of failure all from entirely ignoring them. Never forget that we "thought we wanted Classic, but didn't really." and then it turned out to be the best thing to come out of WoW in years.
FWIW, I know hardcore competitive gamers who tell me that the systems that were intended for them to enjoy are garbage, and I have casual players basically showing up for our F&F raid nights but otherwise spending all their time in FFXIV, which has all the engagement they are convinced Blizzard will never give them If Blizzard's intent was to kill the IP, they found the winning formula. They've disenfranchised the casual base and the competitive base. The team involved with conceptualizing what WoW is from a gameplay standard need to be switched out. The current management is designing for itself and has shown, over and over a refusal to listen to anything outside their echo chamber.
I really appreciate Blizzard's continued incompetence. I haven't played in months, I've got a bit more cash, and I've been pretty productive. Thanks Blizzard!
Why isn't Ion brought into the discussion specifically? Isn't he the one that decides what systems are introduced into a given expansion? It's his steady hand that's been pushing WoW towards his cliff after all.
Ion is treated as this little angel who has no real responsibility for any of this when as proven by FF14 the director really is getting the up and down vote on a lot of this mess. Every single thing Beluar is mad about Ion called a good thing.
The only thing WoW is good at is the raid design. Unfortunately the other mechanics that interact with raids is bad. Conduits for example... The biggest issue right now is balance though. Just look at the healer situation for world first. It was literally 2 healer specs for the entire thing with an occasional Shaman. How embarrassing is that? It's been that way for years. Imagine being one of the other healing specs knowing your class/spec sucks? How many players does that alienate?
@wowalinbie you’ve either played through all of the raids since wotlk, which means you clearly enjoy them despite yourself, or you haven’t and you’re just talking out of your ass. you’re like those negative reviews on Steam with 3000 hours played.
Legion was awesome wtf u talking about? Legion was the only good modern expansion, it's on par with wotlk. The rest of the expansions u mentioned were trash though yea
@@levv7258 it was absolutely not at the beginning. It got to be a favorite at the end of the expansion. There were TONS of issues at the start, tons of negative feedback and bugs.
THERE IS NO FEEDBACK LOOP!! Blizzard DEVS IGNORE ALL PLAYER CONCERNS, the Devs EGOS won't allow them to accept they might just be WRONG or INCOMPATENT!! I know not ALL the Devs are to blame, BUT, those that are in positions that insist on continuing this line of unacceptable development, need to be REMOVED or REPLACED!!
I remember when all my hard work was erased in two years, not six months. Azerite, Azeri 2.0, essences, corruption, all abandoned. Now conduits, covenants, all to be abandoned again. To think they touted tier sets would be back and handed us shards. It's sad I enjoy 1 to 60 and then just don't want to play that character anymore due to the systems.
@wowalinbie well, also the mop farm. I would love for them to make our garrisons floating bases like dalaran. Have some of the land be the garden from mop. Put a boat that can be hoisted and move with the island. A blimp to get around in, and a portal to a capital city.
I believe the most important element (stat) for an mmorpg is immersion. The tactics used to squeeze out every drop of money and many “quality of life” improvements compromise immersion. Blizzard has screwed up the stat priority for years, sacrificing immersion for less important elements of gameplay.
Easy, get rid of ION. Since he took over in Legion it has gone to crap. Put someone in there that actually plays the game on both sides of the fence. Pve, Pvp, knows what is going on in the game itself. Maybe when you put stuff on the PTR, why don't you listen to the ones that are testing it.
Yes, because one person is clearly causing all the problems. It's definitely not a systemic issue that started well before Ion was promoted. Way to drink the Kool-aid.
@@adscott27 Disagree. No career should ever bar another. It's not as though the two skill sets are completely in congruent. Bioware for example was founded by doctors. Undertale was done by a musician. Many small games are primarily created by artists with minimal to no coding experience prior.
Dude, it's sad to see how this shit has worn you out of the past 6 months. I quit just after 9.1 and an so much less frustrated in general life and gaming. It's nice to see what's going on through you bellular but man, hope you don't get too burnt out bro.
Same, I quit the week the 9.1 season went live. Trying to do the content was so fucking terrible, I found myself just pissed off logging in and It affected my regular life too. I quit and it's been the greatest decision
@@refreshazure I've been playing a lot more Diablo 3 recently, getting back into it. I honestly missed it and I'm glad I got back on it, there's a lot less bullshit than there is on wow. Yes it's got it's issues, no its not as great as D2 was, but it's still pretty fun and A HELL OF A LOT LESS rage inducing, it also doesn't feel like a full time, underpaid job
Why give this dev team feedback? It’s like that Hamilton guy’s strategy is to just intentionally make shit feel horrible for two patches - only to fix at the end of the expansion. Dude is literally an lfr player that got promoted to senior systems dev based on seniority. I would love to see his armory.
...the devs have no control. Production is to blame, the devs EXECUTE the plan but they can't go around justifying 800 000$ of dev time to fix what we don't like UNLESS production says to do it. Man I think I need to do a video about video game's team structure and production because people are giving the devs so much shit when it's not even on them most of the time.
@@DurandalOfAegis But it is on them all the time b/c THEY choose to make unfun and unplayable game from the start, so giving them the excuse of "the devs EXECUTE the plan but they can't go around justifying 800 000$ of dev time to fix what we don't like" does not work as they should have heard us from the past oh idk 3-4 xpacs of NOT wanting temp power and to add on top of that they knew we hated that and still made it they have no room to talk excuse as it all falls on them to start.
@@nimonnbim1244 You're not understanding. It doesn't matter what the devs think because they dont get a say. They are told what to make and they make it. If they don't then they're not doing their job and are out the door.
They try and keep players playing, by making their games over grindy. Thats not wat we want. Make ur games fun to play, we will play them. Make me want to play ur game, dont make HAVE to play ur game! Ive never know anything like how gaming is right now! I cant believe so many players put up with the bs, that game devs try n pull. Boggles my mind, it really does!
I didn’t buy shadowlands because all those systems.I knew it would be a grind and I knew they would be impossible to balance all those systems.Glad I took this expansion off,and probably won’t ever comeback.
Trust me, don’t ever go back. I did BFA and all of shadowlands up until the suit. It was hardly worth it at all. Looking back on it the only “good times” weren’t that at all.
Going on the food/restaurant analogy, there was a pizza + sub shop in my town growing up that suffered from this. There was an employee there who would make pizza and subs with no gloves, and would lick his fingers. People complained, but the guy was a friend of the owner's family so they let him stay. The food was actually decent but word spread, many people saw this happen, and ultimately people were grossed out and stopped going there. Eventually the finger licker guy died. Despite having good food it was too late for the shop because everyone knew about the finger licker and their reputation was too damaged. They closed down shortly after. When you don't listen to basic and reasonable customer feedback your company will die.
To quote a good man: “ … I've put my trust in you Pushed as far as I can go For all this There's only one thing you should know I tried so hard and got so far But in the end it doesn't even matter…” - LP
Shirley's donut tried this. They changed the bravarian filling, after all the complaints took them a bout a month to go back to the old filing due to drop off sales.
Blizzard doesn't care about long term health. They are barely looking past the current quarter's financial report. Remember, they decided to release WC3R in a god awful state not to be forced to offer refunds for preorders. They've been willing to damage their and Warcrafts reputation for a couple of ten-thousand preorders.
It’s really easy to understand how they manage to fail so hard with their design and things like conduits. It’s because the basic of the design is that it is supposed to take AGES of time to complete it. Instead of making it accessible so ppl can focus on stuff that is fun they want to chain you behind chores and time consuming moronic idiotic conduit or renown crap to force you to play.
Wow transitioned from being a players' game to being a devs' game. Just go watch any interview by Ion and tell me you don't sense a constant underlying irony when he's addressing players' feedback and requests. This whole team decided that WoW is theirs and they'll do whatever they want with it while silently cutting off any feedback from the community and ignoring their clients. They inherited a gem and they turned it into a bad fake. But this is what you get after all this arrogance and hubris. A dead game. Maybe at least they'll start playing it now and realize what's wrong with it.
I quit during BFA but Ion's interviews were the most cringe things I have ever watched. You have to imagine it must be pretty horrible at Blizzard if they're putting that guy in charge of PR for the game. He must've rolled a natural 1 on charisma at birth yet they allow him to speak to the public. Guess everyone else was in the negative. He was promoted to a position he wasn't suited for, as others have said, he might be able to design raids, but that doesn't mean he can manage the game properly.
The only way to change this game for the better is for players to stop buying 6 month subs, pre-ordering unfinished expansions, buying WoW tokens, and spending money in the cash shop. Nothing will improve until the revenue dries up.
See, now I just have visions of Gordon Ramsy walking into the Blizz studio shouting "WTF IS GOING ON HERE?" "THE LEFT HAND DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT HAND IS DOING!" etc etc!
I'm done complaining and seeking change. I moved on and I'm so much happier playing FF14 and GW2 on the side. I was just so tired of being angry all the time at something I supposedly loved and played every day.
The fries are a good analogy. Gamers have such incredibly low standards. It's like what Asmon says, they're one cinematic away from being over anything.
To be fair i think is mostly people that play only one game (WoW in this case) the ones who have low standards. Is funny to see WoW players reactions to things that are normal in other game, like a proper told story, cool animations, simple systems, fun side content or a.....in-game cut-scene
I would have thought Blizzard would have learned something from the success from Classic. All I want is some epic long dungeons to explore with a mighty dragon at the end of it to defeat. When the dragon is finally defeated I loot his corpse to find some cool looking gear that fits my class fantasy in which I can easily say, yup +15 intellect is better than +13. Oooh! I just got my set bonus! Now my X spell does something cooler than it did before! It's not that hard to figure out.
The restaurant analogy reminded me of the little family owned Chinese buffet restaurant we had around here. They ran that place for 20 years and then I guess they wanted to retire 🤷♂️ and sold it. The new owner changed it from buffet to bistro (whatever that means) raised the prices and it was gone within a year. I think many of the customers were working class men who didn't have a lot of time to sit around for weekday lunch break so the buffet style meant they could be in and out in 15-20 minutes.
Blizzard has been intentionally unbalancing this game forever. Just think FOTM class. And all the fanboys literally JUMP to roll that class, and Blizzard lets the issue run on for a month and a half before fixing it, ensuring they keep people playing a purposefully broken game.
I used to say that Bliz intentionally kept rogues OP in PvP as a touchstone mechanic. If any other class started holding their own against rogues, that class was OP and needed to be nerfed.
Will not happen No man sky had good ambitious team.....but they were pushed for early release by sonny so again Capitalisn and evil corporation ruin a game we love
Mid level Blizzard Mgmt: "Sir we need you to approve some changes so we can start to earn our players back" Blizzard Exec: "What? Sorry I can't hear you over the waves, i'm parking my yacht inside my even larger yacht"
I have always understood WoW as having core expansions and filler expansions. I was sad to realize BFA was obviously a filler, after the core Legion, but wasn't surprised. My thought was consistent with the history, BFA is filler so shadowlands can be core. But no. two filler expansions in a row. two miserable slogs. the pacing, the content cadence, the systems. unbelievably sad and incompetent development
If they want me back as a consumer: 1) Get rid of the extra BS systems. Go back to the basics of gearing. Kill bosses, get loot, trade loot if it’s horrible. Use Justice as a catch up mechanism each patch (bringing you up to where mythic raiders start the patch at). Use valor to upgrade twice. Stick the damned knife in it and walk away. 2) Open up official channels between devs and players. Some of the best theorycrafters and others who understand the game well, are gone now. That’s a failure on Blizzard. If you want to be treated better by the players, come to the table and communicate you god damned snowflakes. 3) Accept constructive criticism for what it is. If you think you are infallible, then you are already wrong. 4) Take all those books, comics, etc… and stick them in the damned game so your paying customers can actually have a clue wth is happening in the game; IN THE GAME! 5) Do something about the paid carries. In PVE, not really a big deal; no one truly suffers. But in PvP? Someone absolutely suffers. If/when players suffer, games will suffer, the devs will suffer… look; it’s that easy. You’re sitting in the drivers seat, complaining about how you’re driving fine, most of your passengers have bailed when they felt safe enough to do so, and you’re turned around telling your last passengers that “you know how to drive, they don’t know how to ride” all while not watching the road. Look: I’m sorry you all had to work with some grab asses. I’m sorry you make less money than the industry standard. But those were both issues that you have to solve, not the players. You sure went “Yes Sir/Yes Ma’am” to those grabbing your asses and making a hostile work environment; but you turn around and trash talk the players who are paying to play in a hostile environment you’ve literally created. When that drags on for damn near 5-7 years… yeah, no real wonder why some players talk shit to your face. Hard to wonder why there are toxic people in YOUR community. IJS. Turn the hell around, grab the wheel and let your development work speak for itself. Maybe consider inviting players to the table to talk about issues they’ve so readily seen, but you all have ignored (because I won’t think so low of you to believe that you didn’t see them in the first place).
been playing since 2004. They finally lost my subscription with this debacle. I will come back for 9.2 to see the fixes they make. But with everything going on, I assume 9.2 will be at least 9 months to 1 year out.
They didn't lose you for anything. You're a hopeless guy who can't get out of an abusive relationship. Why go back man? They refuse to get it right and don't listen to any players. In fact they hate the players. Stop paying these people money
That rush of freedom you feel when you uninstall WoW is next level. No more daily Korthia rare grinds. No more daily Korthia quests. No more Maw assaults every 3 days. No more Choreghast farm for rng mb it will drop mb it wont 252 conduits. No more sweating to 100% all 5 floors to open adamant vaults.
I really don’t understand the rational behind still paying a sub if the game is boring, the systems suck, the devs are incompetent and don’t listen, and you spend day after day complaining about the game. Sure Legion was fun, despite its flaws, and then we got BFA and the past 3 years of WoW has been a consistent decline. Just wrap it up.
There's an old saying where I live at least that goes "Food is only as good as the love you put in for the person who eats it." Blizzard has LONG LOST their thought of love towards the customer who plays their game.
What you guys are referring to is de facto Product Design. The blend of balancing user requirements, wants, needs; with the company's requirements; wants, needs. this is absolutely integral in understanding that balance well to create a good product for people that is in lockstep with business vision
On the restaurant analogy. I have experience of sometimes going to a restaurant with very creative and pretty looking food which tastes kinda meh. Then you go to a local pub and order a meal, you get one huge plate of it, it doesen't look always pretty but tastes excellent and it's usually very typical food you can get anywhere, and it's done right. Which matters more, you need to get the taste right and then you can play artist with your food if you want to.
Watch out Bellular, you are falling in your own echochamber. At this point keeping ragging on blizzard is like beating a dead horse, and even rants start to ring hollow and maybe a little bit opportunistic (because it's trendy right now) when you've done them 10 times a day for the last 2 months. Do like basically everyone with a couple of active neurones and just move on to something else, or you'll end up being a "bash blizzard" channel that will go down with blizzard when everyone would have fully moved on.
I think the most damning thing to be said is that the complaints are not "they tried to address x issue with y, but it failed" but instead "are they even aware of the problem?"
At this point, Blizzard needs to focus back on core elements on RPGs vertical (player power) and horizontal character progression (side content). They've inflated vertical progression so much with these systems and have even merged the two (with the aspect of a gated story campaign locking renown behind it) that it just doesn't make sense and cannot work. Overlapping these elements is damaging, because now we have so many roadblocks to progress. They've essentially taken out the forks in the road for a player upon login. And now there exists only one path to progress your character, but with a ton of hurdles. These two elements should coexist on separate planes and allow you choose which one you want to explore during your play session, while also providing meaningful rewards (i.e. big story payoffs, mounts, gear, etc) for your choice. The covenant campaigns should've remained horizontal progression, something your character does during down time once you're satisfied with the vertical progression, they also shouldn't be gated weekly, but by content cycles. Non essential resources, whatever they may call it (anima, stygia, etc) all should be toward minor QoL improvements with your covenant or new quest hub like making travel easier, unlocking new cosmetics, or recruiting more members for your mission table. Core resources, renown, legendaries, soulbind rows (all things that influence player power) should be achieved via any endgame system that is designed to increase player power (m+, pvp, and raiding). Do so many of one, boom you have bonded more deeply with your soulbind through countless battles; this experience unlocks a new boon (soulbind row) at your disposal. Finally, core mechanics-your covenant abilities-should not be locked either, but maybe are flavored aesthetically by your horizontal choice and unlocks. Furthermore, these systems should be manageable to where if your most hardcore players have comitted their time daily, it should take no more than a month for a character to peak (in terms of catching up with the new renown or "insert new system here"). With the expectation that players will still have to invest additional time before truly maxing out a character in terms of finalizing some missing pieces or gearing for a secondary spec (poor RNG, etc). Therefore once your main becomes maintenance mode, you now encourage creation of alts, exploring the horizontal path your main didn't choose, and thus, repeating the cycle. But I am no developer. I am just a player with ideas that work for me and may not work for the entire player base. So who knows /shrug.
Blizzard is literally the horrible restaurant on Kitchen Nightmares. Gordon tells them their food is terrible and that’s why they don’t have customers. Then the owners and chef say, “No, you’re wrong the foods great. The people just don’t know that it’s good.” Then they go out of business a month later. The problem is people are still getting food poisoning from Blizzard.
Mr/Ms editor, I'm not sure how you format the editing process of these VoDs, but if it's at all possible in the future to grab a timestamp from the full VoD and include it in the description I would love you.
WoW didn’t need any of these systems. They could have taken the class designs from Cata or MoP and just added new zones and story. The game played so well back then. I’ll never understand why they feel the need to re-design the gameplay every two years.
Well that is how it is.. Covenants should have been more like a rep group thing. And they could have used Renown as a rep level kind of thing. You get ALL 4 covenant abilities. Switching which one you want to use. And be able to collect all 4 armor sets AND wepons. instead of literaly forcing you to roll multiple characters if you want all 4 armor sets unlocked.. for maybe when they let you use all 4 in the future.
As a cook, this is a perfect analogy. I have over-cooked somebody's steak a few times before. It happens, we're all human. We as cooks don't get to say, "Your steak was fine. You don't know what you want." No. We will immediately fix the problem, cook you a new steak, comp your meal, anything we can to remedy your negative experience.
As a long time chef and cook it makes a lot of sense with food. Blizz is making a product and calling it gourmet because of the cost of the dish and saying its what we want because it does have calories. What they fail to grasp is the people eating the dish thinks it tastes bad and should be remade. However we are the assholes for going to a different restaurant.
Actually a good analogy. One of the restaurants where I live was one off the best in town, people drove over an hour+ just to eat there, the customer service was next to none. The owner knew so many customers personally because there were so many returning for the food and service. The owner sold it to some new guy, they kept all the recipes and meals the same but man it wasn't even close to the same place and the regulars and all customers dropped off on by one. They're starting to pick up again because they changed and improved their customer service.
I worked as a manager for Borders, back when that was still a thing. They had such an amazing business model, and then they completely screwed it up and killed a gigantic business because they were chasing fads instead of trends, lost sight of delivering a quality experience, and then got desperate and started gambling on the idea that they could engineer a merger/buyout from their main competitor. There is no limit to how badly a business can be run when the people in charge are disconnected frim the customer experience.
Enjoying the restaurant analogy, however the main thing is point is that no matter how creative or quality the food (or game) is the main thing is it needs to be consistent. WoW hasn’t been consistent for years.
WoW was a Michelin Star Restaurant. Now it is on Kitchen Nightmares: Ramsay: I'll take the new armour system Server: Here you go Sir Ramsay: IT'S FUCKING RAWWWWW
